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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Successful Graft Soursop onto Cherimoya
« on: October 20, 2017, 03:50:43 AM »
The real question is will the soursop foliage survive  the winter or will it all fall off and regenerate new foliage in the spring?
I don't see where is the problem if the foliage drops and grows back in the spring? as long as the branch is still alive.

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Hello everyone. I'm happy to report that I've been doing relatively well in the aftermath of hurricane Maria (diesel generator, accessible water - working pipes now -, and good food), and that my current collection is relatively intact, with only one exotic being strongly damaged (an Achachairu tree). Even the Dioscorea bulbifera is still there, growing on the trellis, unaffected by the storm. My collection survived due to the small size and young age of the trees (and the strategic placement of the ones still remaining in pots). The exotics turned out alright, but I lost all three of my mature avocado trees, large and in the midst of a good crop, completely uprooted. And the partial-to-full destruction seen in most of the trees in the countryside is surprising in its scale. For all my good fortune, I never imagined the entire island could sustain so much damage from a storm. The event shocked me to my core, and made me question my future at length.

I started this project as a thought experiment many years ago while I was still studying for my bachelors degree. It quickly grew into a labor of love, and while it never left the flexible stage of the theoretical into the practical, I had high hopes that I would someday accomplish much with it. I wanted to put theories to the test, bring true permaculture into the mainstream (at least in PR), focus on tree crops (which are mostly neglected in modern agriculture), expand the local palate with new choices, innovate in any way I could, and ultimately contribute to the food security of the island, both directly with my own farm, and indirectly through example. Dread and a sense of barren futility set in after the storm, and I thought I would never get that chance.

I thought about my options long and hard. While it's true that storms of this magnitude are rare on the island, the fact remains that the hurricane season is a yearly occurrence, and only chance or divine providence has kept such storms rare. There's nothing that would guarantee they would remain rare in the face of a changing climate. Some consider it foolhardy to plan one's life around unpredictable natural disasters, but that's exactly the point: hurricanes are not unpredictable. Their season is yearly and cyclic, like clockwork, and their presence is guaranteed in this general part of the world; the only unpredictable thing about them is whether they'll pass you by or hit you head on. Strong weather and geological events abound throughout the world, but they tend to be scattered and isolated events, truly unpredictable; few places have such a consistent cyclic risk of disaster (even if it rarely delivers on the threat). The threat is always there, in a way that random isolated events never are. I can live with the idea of having my efforts destroyed by a truly random event (something I never could've planned for), but to try the exact same plan in a place with a perpetual clockwork risk of disaster feels like I'm setting myself up for failure, painstakingly building something up that I know will be destroyed in a matter of time by a ticking time bomb. Such a prospect is completely unacceptable to me. So it was back to the drawing board, trying to salvage what I could from my plans (which, thankfully, are still theoretical; I still hadn't received a call for the paperwork I sent in, trying to acquire land).

I thought about doing it anyway, and I concluded that I couldn't. Even if I could handle the emotional impact of my work undone, the economic impact of a destroyed tree farm would probably bankrupt me. That means that (NFT's not withstanding), tree crops are out of the question for me as a dominant aspect of the farm (thus hurting that particular founding principle for me, here on the island). I thought about continuing the farm without the tree crops, but it feels like too much is missing, like the intended project was ultimately defeated. I thought about moving stateside, but even if the coasts were free from hurricane risk (which they're not), the warmest part of the mainland is still too cold during winter for some of the tropical trees I was hoping to trial; as for Hawaii, it's a little too far for my comfort, I don't know their weather patterns, and I've heard the cost of living is high there. I thought about moving to Nicaragua, Costa Rica, or even Brazil, where I could complete the project at a safe distance from such consistent yearly threats (provided those places don't have a hurricane season). But they share one trait in common with the US: they're not PR (so for all their completeness, any farms there would not contribute to the food security of my homeland). And besides, I've no family there, and I personally don't want to put much distance between me and them.

I was close to giving up entirely, but I've worked too hard for too long to give up on this. Some other job is necessary now, so at least that has changed: I wanted the project to stand by itself economically, as described earlier in the thread, but even before the storm I had come to accept the certainty that I need another job to acquire a firm economic foundation for myself. I was about to start the job search when the storm hit. In the aftermath, I noticed many staple crops were running low in the local markets, and I realized that with the yearly risk of storms, a strong food supply is necessary here, now more than ever. And that has kept me from giving up.

I still plan on getting a job as soon as I'm able (hopefully something in line with my Biology major), but I've also decided to combine some of the prior ideas and rebuild my fractured plans on them. I intend to start a farm here after I get a job. It will use some of the NFT alley crop methods as a basis, and I will focus on staples, vegetables and smaller fruiting plants. The Tree Crop section will be small compared to prior plans, and will consist mainly of Avocados (easily replaced if lost) and Breadfruit (quick to grow back from a broken trunk). That way I get to practice permaculture (even if the selection of tree crops is diminished) and contribute to the local food security, while being at minimal risk of strong economic loss (few and common trees to lose, and readily replaceable annual crops; hacked up NFT's should weather the storm nicely). Once I'm economically stable, I hope to acquire land in Central America later on, to grow the missing half of my farm: the exotic tree crops. I'd get to satisfy my desire for tropical fruit without living in yearly fear of hurricanes ripping them out of the ground. If I could ship the fruit into PR, I'd get the pleasure of expanding the local palate as well (even if they weren't grown there). Staple crops on the island, fruiting trees in Central America, and all my intended boxes checked. It's a little more complicated than I had hoped, but hopefully doable.

Any thoughts or advice in relation to this? And regarding acquiring land elsewhere?
Good luck Caesar. You may consider papaya also as they are fast growing plants and the plantations are replaced at a periodical bases with or without hurricanes according to my readings concerning commercial papaya plantations. it helps you mitigate the damage if the trees are down by a hurricane.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: help pruning young cherimoya
« on: October 10, 2017, 09:14:18 AM »
Can you take a picture of the plant so that the members can give you an accurate opinion on where and when you should make the cut?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: help pruning young cherimoya
« on: October 10, 2017, 04:26:24 AM »
So, to clarify, cut back before or after the leaves drop?
After. The new branches will grow from the spots left by the old leaves.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Guava season in Socal
« on: October 08, 2017, 02:26:14 AM »
Hi guys, it is guava season in tunisia also, my tree gave me its first fruit, white fleshed and very delicious. I have no idea about the variety.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: San Diego garden photos
« on: September 16, 2017, 04:00:33 PM »
Nice pics spaugh, be careful not to girdle the trunks of the mangoes with those yellow rubbons.

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I'm glad you didn't suffer any substantial damage Ed !! Good luck for the recovery efforts.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Category 4 Hurricane Irma
« on: September 12, 2017, 11:30:28 AM »
dang 185 MPH!!!

If I was forced to live in areas where we get hurricanes like this, I would build it out of structural CMU/Concrete only with 10 feet raised foundation as well. even then windows could blow up under such pressure.
I have always wondered why in the US many (the majority?) houses are built with wood or light materials even though you have many natural risks (hurricanes, tornadoes). In my country, even with the low revenues/habitant all the houses are built with concrete (and we don't have extreme climatic events like yours). Is it cost? or is there other advantages of light buildings?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Category 4 Hurricane Irma
« on: September 08, 2017, 04:27:16 AM »
Stay safe guys and protect your families, that is the priority.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya flush small yellowish leaves
« on: August 31, 2017, 01:54:22 PM »
Hi guys, here is a little update concerning my little cherimoya tree.
I mulched around it and covered it with a shade structure and the results appeared on the new leaves, greener and bigger leaves :







I guess it was the sun then.
I fertilized it today, i hope it will bounce back even stronger

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Top these cherimoyas?
« on: August 31, 2017, 04:25:35 AM »
Nice update Spaugh, your tree looks great, the leaves look like they are bigger than your dog's head!! but i think it is an optical illusion.
Me too i took some pics this morning of my cherimoya that was suffering for its second flush to update my own thread, i will post it later. For my case i think it didn't handle heat as well as your trees, because since i put a shading structure around it, the new leaves started to push greener and bigger.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nitrogen fixing plants and fruit trees
« on: August 31, 2017, 04:17:41 AM »
Do you plant the same kind of beans every year in the same spot? does it promote diseases the fact to plant the same legume in the same place over and over again?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pugging
« on: August 30, 2017, 04:10:14 AM »
Isn't it a little bit late in the growing season? (i don't know, may be where you are there is yet enough time in the season to allow good flushes), but in my case,  i pugged mine in the beginning of the growing season to give the tree a whole growing season to recover from the pugging and to send a decent number of shoots and to benefit from the energy acumulated during winter to flush good scaffold branches, if it was my tree under my climate conditions i would wait till spring and pug it. But it is your call depending on your local conditions.

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Looks serious!

Did you paint vaseline or tangle-foot on it, to keep off the ants?
Hi Har, do you recommend painting vaseline on the tree trunk to repell ants? if so do you paint it directly on the trunk or do you wrap the trunk with something and painting over it?

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Best of luck to all the Texans out there. Stay safe, trees can always be replanted.

Simon
Well said, stay safe guys!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya flush small yellowish leaves
« on: August 21, 2017, 05:17:53 AM »
Thank you guys for your answers.
I flushed it yesterday, i will mulch it today and fertilise it also, and we'll se what happens.

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My Tequila Sunrise mango tree has been the ground a bit over two years. It has been producing some very nice growth flushes the last two months. About half of the new growth looks healthy, with some leaves over a foot long. But the other half, the new leaves come out twisted, stunted and some just die off. I have been giving it minor element supplements. Does this like some kind of disease, deficiency, or nothing to worry about?














I thing zinc deficieny and some insects sucking the sap of the young leaves when they are flushing. Forum experts may give you more accurate diagnosis.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya flush small yellowish leaves
« on: August 16, 2017, 08:10:35 AM »
Daytime between 90 and 100 F (some days it reached 107)
Nightime between 70 and 75 F
Humidity between 35 and 50%
May be should i build a shade cover for it?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Cherimoya flush small yellowish leaves
« on: August 16, 2017, 02:42:52 AM »
Hi guys, can you help me figure out why my cherimoya plant started to push flushes with relatively small and yellowish leaves, compared to the first flush of the spring (and to my other cherimoya planted in a more shaded spot). Both of them get watered each 2 days.
This one is in a full sun spot (the sun is pretty hot here), the first flush after i trimmed it had regular leaves, the second flush after i tipped the first flush is like this :







Here it is last april.



My other cherimoya plant in the shade of a papaya and a pomegrenate trees has more normal and deep green leaves :



Could it be the hot temperatures? salt injuries or chlorine (although both of the plants are watered with the same water)? should i water it daily if those are symptoms of underwatered plant since it is in full sun? other clues? thanks in advance.

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Nice updates Spaugh! Any pics of the seedlings we planted? Now is also a good time to give our trees micronutrients either through foliar feeding or through soil drenches. Iron is especially important but so is Magnesium and Manganese, especially here in SoCal.

Matt, I get spotting on many of my seedlings and they seem to grow through it. My seedlings are responding really well to the micronutrients.

Simon
Hi simon, are Iron, Magnesium and Manganese safe to drench during summer heat? I have no idea about this and my question may sound stupid, but i wanted to be sure before drenching my seedling with these nutrients.

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Hi guys, I am wondering when do you start seeing the effects of the boost in the growth after using liquid fertilizers : drenching and foliar feeding. Mainly for mango trees, but you can speak in general.
Are we speaking about hours? days? weeks? after the foliar feeding?
Are we speaking about days? weeks? after drenching.

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Nice thread, this is my dream too to start such a farm.
To add some ideas in the brainstorming side of the thread, have you considered agrotourism to support you financially while operating your farm ? a couple of in-the-farm rooms dedicated to passionated tourists who want to live the experience of a permaculture farmer for a couple of days may provide you a secondary income, be a source to use your local grown food, and if you have the chance to host some motivated guests they may even give you a hand in your daily farming activities. Besides, this may give your wife an occupation managing this component of the Farm.
I don't know if your local environement is favorable for such activity, but you may think about this option if it can help you financially to realise your dream.
Best wishes for success

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I would personally not let a two year old tree fruit, even if it was planted as a 7 gallon but the decision is ultimately the growers choice because only you have an idea how you want your tree to grow and produce.

My best friend allows his young trees to fruit against my advice because he wants to purposefully stunt his trees as he does not want them to grow too large. Unfortunately, allowing young unestablished trees to fruit also weakens them and opens them up to disease.

I would much rather wait and have a large established tree producing lots of fruit year after year than allowing a young tree produce 1-5 ok fruit the second year and get stunted growth or possibly a weakened or dead tree in the following years.

Simon
Dr. Campbell speaks about this point in the last video you shared in the other thread, he was talking about a fine line that separate dwarfing and stunting.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My puggged kent mango tree
« on: July 13, 2017, 02:53:43 PM »
Hi guys, here is an update of my pugged mango three months ago:







The last flush is 4 weeks old. I am planning on tipping some of the branches because i want it bushy for space reason, but i don't know if these flushes are considered hardned enough to be tipped or should i wait 2 more weeks before tipping to be on the safe side  for vigorous side flushes ? (ps : one of the branches is already sending another shoot from the apical bud while the rest of the branches have resting apical buds)

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I can't speak to the effectiveness for mango trees, but for various subtropicals that need lower pH soils I have had great luck with tons of coffee grounds.  I guess I've had better luck with this than others have, because most folks I've suggested it to haven't found it to work as well, but I think it's because I use way more grounds.  I get them from coffee shops and give each tree a lot (during the growing season you can give each tree a 5 gallon bucket of grounds every couple weeks, mixed with a bit of tree trimmings / woody mulch to prevent it from forming a hard layer).
Do you aplly coffee grounds when it is very hot during growing season also?

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