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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: grafting Papayas
« on: July 10, 2017, 04:31:33 AM »
When you graft a hermaphrodite scion on a female papaya established tree, the result will be herma or female?
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It stopped raining enough for me to out there and get them now.
Both of these seeds were thrown out were thrown in sometime in May, as my son came home from school (he's 8 years old) and said he learned about composting and he wondered why we didn't do it. Growing up on a farm we fed the chickens our scraps or composted, so I figured even though I was in an urban area I'd give it a shot.
i've pulled out 3 watermelon plants and 2 tomato plants that started in the pile and put those into the regular garden, so we've had a nice surprise. I'll keep this pile going until the end of July then start a new pile and transfer the organic matter to my garden in early September when I put down my fall crops.
As for those mango trees, they're shaded by a small oak tree that's back there - i just need to figure out if i'll let em grow there or try to transplant them into my main row of seedlings that I've got going. Not sure yet.





I live in Longwood, Florida, and two of my neighbors have mango trees in the ground and I've seen another 4 or 5 trees in the Longwood / Lake Mary area when I've been running around here.
One neighbor has a NDM and one has a home depot special. The neighbors here don't really speak much English (we live on a "worldly" block with about 8 or 9 languages spoken on the street), so it's hard to verify with them the actual name.
Anyway, the NDM produced 6 fruits this year and has been in the ground for a while (I think about 3 years) and has put on some good height and branching. The home depot special tree is about 3 feet tall now and just as wide, as the neighbor shaping the plant in the Japanese way to keep it low but very, very wide.
The home depot special neighbor put a blanket over the tree about 5 times this last winter but nothing else and the tree looks incredibly healthy. I'm not sure what the NDM guy did to protect the plant if he even did anything. We had 1 night around 30 and a few nights right at the 32 degree mark this year.
On my end, I put down 10 seedlings in the beginning of June that I had been growing in pots. 2 of those seedlings were about a year old and the other 8 were around 3 to 6 months old. I ended up loosing 3 seedlings due to transplant shock as they really weren't ready to transplant yet from the pots they were in (I think these were the 3 month old seedlings). The 2 older seedlings are from Keitt parents and have very, very long internodes. They're tall but show no branching and no real structure. All of the smaller seedlings are from grocery store mango's so I have no idea of the parentage. 2 of them have a ton of leaves with very, very small internodes and the others look 'normal' for the lack of a better word.
On a bright note, I have 2 mango tree growing in my compost pile. I opened the husks and took the seeds out before I composed some pits and other vegetable matter and to say they have taken off is an understatement. I thought that they needed a lower nutrient environment but man they've flushed twice now and grown more than the 6 month old seedlings I transplanted into the regular ground. I need to dig those out and move them to a better area.
In the future for any mango trees I'm planning on planting, I'm thinking I should dig a decent size pit and use that area for compost for a month or two, then put the tree on top of the compost pile. I really can't believe the boost those 2 seedlings have.
I also started a bunch of papaya trees from seed in the beginning of May. They're up to about 3 inches, maybe 4 inches tall now and growing well. They were pretty stunted (and I have them in good soil), but I started using Miracle Grow on them and they've doubled in size over the last week and have around 15 dwarf cavandish banana trees growing. I bought 1 tree from home depot that I grew in a pot for a while, split into three trees now I've got 15 trees growing. Haven't harvested any bananas yet as I was more trying to get multiple plants growing than getting fruit. Now that I'm up to 15 trees I'll work on growing them bigger and not separating them out.
As for containers, I have 7 mango trees growing in pots now. I have a 25 gallon, two 7 gallon, two 3 gallon and two 1 gallon trees. All but the 25 gallon trees are also seedlings. One of the 7 gallon trees has flushed 3 times since May and doubled in size, but that growth started after we got all those rain days. Rainwater has been significantly better for my trees than Longwood City water has been.
I tried growing a mamey sapote but something got at the seed after it through its first few leaves and destroyed the seed. I also have 5 loquat trees growing from seed and a Florida Prince peach tree in pots that I got for free from Duke Energy.
I'm only renting the house I'm at now, so I don't really want to put too much in the ground. I much prefer to keep trees in the ground, especially for watering purposes, but don't want to put too much work into the yard if we end up leaving. I'm buying a house when my lease is up in 2 more years - the only questions is will it be this one or somewhere else. I don't mind leaving the mango trees as they cost me just a few pennies to grow on my own.
My citrus trees have not done well. One has been attacked by red ants constantly and no matter what I do I can't get rid of them. I'm pretty sure its aphids on the tree but I'm ready to give up on that tree and just rip it out. I've spent way too much money on that tree with sprays and the like and its just useless. The other 4 citrus trees I put in the ground haven't done much.
those small fruit look interesting
i dont think its a variety ive seen before actually.
keep us updated when you get edible fruit.
i would love to see the shape / color etc...
where did you get the seed / plants ?


No, just half-an-inch or so below the node.For a the case of a flushing young tree, which of the following two tipping options is more effective to trigger rapidly a second vegetative flush (for tree shaping purpose)?
Hi spaugh, just to let you know, i tipped one of my cherimoyas yesterday (similar to yours) and i did strip off 3 leaves below each cut to test the result before doing it to my other cherimoya. The leaves went without any resistance, even though they were perfectly green, i mean no sign of any discolration or aging of the leaves. There is no fiber that can peal off the stem while taking the leave off. So if you were worried about harming the stem (that was my case) when stripping the leaves i can assure you that they just clipp off like a lego piece lol. I hope new branches will grow rapidly from these cuts.Thanks spaugh for the pics. Mine is also at exactly the same stage after pugging it 45 days ago, so we are on the good pace as a i see.I think I will just top them again in a month or 2. Not planning on stripping any leaves off.
I am interested also to know the detailed next step. Could we just cut the branches without stripping those healthy green leaves or is it necessary to remove them for letting new branches grow?
Wow, interesting "stuff" and way over my head.Very interesting, how did you get it from this size a year ago to fruiting? do you have a pic of the whole tree?
Am growing Sweet Tart on Coconut Cream. The fella I got it from is trying different rootstocks to compare the influence. I'll soon be grafting on Mallika and Turpie.
This was the newly grafted ST spring 2016.
Early May it's holding 8 nice fruit and growing up to be a big boy.
Bump for Central Florida tonight. Going to try to have someone record it for those who requested.Great!
Hi Samu, did you pollinate the cherimoya or did it self polinate? My baby trees already have little fruit on them like yours but I never polinated them?Spaugh are you talking about the little cherimoya you pugged last month? do you have recent picture of it?
I am literally right across the county line in orange county. I have Pink Barbie, Egyptian, white, lemon, and three other guavas I cant remember at this time. They all do fine and the two that are old enough to fruit do so profusely. Lemon produces year round. White is a once a year thing. The only issue I have is white flies on some of them. You shouldn't have any growth or fruiting issues where you are.How tall and how old are your fruiting guavas? (pics would be great also
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Pugged my Lemon Zest similarly, it's going to be extremely bushy now
http://imgur.com/a/tA6oX
Nice new growths. I might use a saw blade to clean up that rough cut and possibly seal it with something. Moisture can get in there and eventually cause problems
Not sure on the wax jambu, but with annonas the idea is you generally prune back last season's growth by roughly a third, and strip off old leaves at about the time when temps are favorable for new growth. They will push new growth and drop the old leaves on their own, but pruning and stripping leaves can get that new growth happening sooner.
I know a peach grower that chemically defoliates by basically chemically burning the leaves with...I think it was ZnS04, but it could have been some other fertilizer spray. I imagine the same approach could be done with annonas, though I haven't seen any documentation of growers doing so.
I have found tipping and sometimes pruning to do the trick. several grafts that pushed little and then stayed there with anemic growth after pruning woke up hard. its a great tool we all have and should exercise.Hi behlgarden, in another thread you talked about tipping a mango tree each 10 inches and that this worked great for your tree, do you have pics?