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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: grafting Papayas
« on: July 10, 2017, 04:31:33 AM »
When you graft a hermaphrodite scion on a female papaya established tree, the result will be herma or female?

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It stopped raining enough for me to out there and get them now.

Both of these seeds were thrown out were thrown in sometime in May, as my son came home from school (he's 8 years old) and said he learned about composting and he wondered why we didn't do it.  Growing up on a farm we fed the chickens our scraps or composted, so I figured even though I was in an urban area I'd give it a shot.

i've pulled out 3 watermelon plants and 2 tomato plants that started in the pile and put those into the regular garden, so we've had a nice surprise.  I'll keep this pile going until the end of July then start a new pile and transfer the organic matter to my garden in early September when I put down my fall crops.

As for those mango trees, they're shaded by a small oak tree that's back there - i just need to figure out if i'll let em grow there or try to transplant them into my main row of seedlings that I've got going.  Not sure yet.





Thank you for the pictures. i hope they will keep their good growth rate so that they reach a good size rapidly

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I bought it from a nursery but i doubt that the nursery man knows which variety it is (if it is a variety).
How many maximum days do you think i have to pick the two lower fruits ? immediately? 2 days? 4 days?
We don't have animal or birds eating them i guess since payapas are not grown here. So my main constraint is fruit rot.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / The first tasted fruit of my papaya tree
« on: July 09, 2017, 12:04:01 PM »
Hi guys, after the hard work, comes the reward.
Here is the first fruit i taste from my papaya tree. By the way it the first time i eat a papaya, so i have no comparison reference.








This is the remaining fruits on the tree. There is many fruitlets higher than the picture frame.





The taste of the fruit reminds me of a canteloupe. I didn't notice any bad taste like feet or something like that as i read many similar comments about papaya taste on the internet. The red parts were more tasty than the orange parts, i guess i should have let it ripen 2 or 3 more days on the tree so that all the flesh becomes red? But the overall taste is not bad, especially when i added citrus juice to it when scooping with a spoon. I have no idea which variety it is.
Zone pushing rocks!


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I live in Longwood, Florida, and two of my neighbors have mango trees in the ground and I've seen another 4 or 5 trees in the Longwood / Lake Mary area when I've been running around here.

One neighbor has a NDM and one has a home depot special.  The neighbors here don't really speak much English (we live on a "worldly" block with about 8 or 9 languages spoken on the street), so it's hard to verify with them the actual name.

Anyway, the NDM produced 6 fruits this year and has been in the ground for a while (I think about 3 years) and has put on some good height and branching.  The home depot special tree is about 3 feet tall now and just as wide, as the neighbor shaping the plant in the Japanese way  to keep it low but very, very wide.

The home depot special neighbor put a blanket over the tree about 5 times this last winter but nothing else and the tree looks incredibly healthy.  I'm not sure what the NDM guy did to protect the plant if he even did anything.  We had 1 night around 30 and a few nights right at the 32 degree mark this year.

On my end, I put down 10 seedlings in the beginning of June that I had been growing in pots.  2 of those seedlings were about a year old and the other 8 were around 3 to 6 months old.  I ended up loosing 3 seedlings due to transplant shock as they really weren't ready to transplant yet from the pots they were in (I think these were the 3 month old seedlings).  The 2 older seedlings are from Keitt parents and have very, very long internodes.  They're tall but show no branching and no real structure.  All of the smaller seedlings are from grocery store mango's so I have no idea of the parentage.  2 of them have a ton of leaves with very, very small internodes and the others look 'normal' for the lack of a better word.

On a bright note, I have 2 mango tree growing in my compost pile.  I opened the husks and took the seeds out before I composed some pits and other vegetable matter and to say they have taken off is an understatement.  I thought that they needed a lower nutrient environment but man they've flushed twice now and grown more than the 6 month old seedlings I transplanted into the regular ground.  I need to dig those out and move them to a better area.

In the future for any mango trees I'm planning on planting, I'm thinking I should dig a decent size pit and use that area for compost for a month or two, then put the tree on top of the compost pile.  I really can't believe the boost those 2 seedlings have.

I also started a bunch of papaya trees from seed in the beginning of May.  They're up to about 3 inches, maybe 4 inches tall now and growing well.  They were pretty stunted (and I have them in good soil), but I started using Miracle Grow on them and they've doubled in size over the last week and have around 15 dwarf cavandish banana trees growing.  I bought 1 tree from home depot that I grew in a pot for a while, split into three trees now I've got 15 trees growing.  Haven't harvested any bananas yet as I was more trying to get multiple plants growing than getting fruit.  Now that I'm up to 15 trees I'll work on growing them bigger and not separating them out.

As for containers, I have 7 mango trees growing in pots now.  I have a 25 gallon, two 7 gallon, two 3 gallon and two 1 gallon trees.  All but the 25 gallon trees are also seedlings.  One of the 7 gallon trees has flushed 3 times since May and doubled in size, but that growth started after we got all those rain days.  Rainwater has been significantly better for my trees than Longwood City water has been.

I tried growing a mamey sapote but something got at the seed after it through its first few leaves and destroyed the seed.  I also have 5 loquat trees growing from seed and a Florida Prince peach tree in pots that I got for free from Duke Energy.

I'm only renting the house I'm at now, so I don't really want to put too much in the ground.  I much prefer to keep trees in the ground, especially for watering purposes, but don't want to put too much work into the yard if we end up leaving.  I'm buying a house when my lease is up in 2 more years - the only questions is will it be this one or somewhere else.  I don't mind leaving the mango trees as they cost me just a few pennies to grow on my own.

My citrus trees have not done well.  One has been attacked by red ants constantly and no matter what I do I can't get rid of them.  I'm pretty sure its aphids on the tree but I'm ready to give up on that tree and just rip it out.  I've spent way too much money on that tree with sprays and the like and its just useless.  The other 4 citrus trees I put in the ground haven't done much.

Do you have pictures od the seedlings in the compost pile?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pigeon manure for papaya plant?
« on: July 06, 2017, 12:17:32 PM »


those small fruit look interesting
i dont think its a variety ive seen before actually.
keep us updated when you get edible fruit.
i would love to see the shape / color etc...

where did you get the seed / plants ?

Here is an update of my papaya tree :





 Those are the  fruits from the flowers of last summer, they overwintered on the tree, and they started yellowing few weeks ago. Papaya fruits are supposed to spend the winter on the tree and ripen the next season? or is it because they flowered late last year (july)?
Some white spots appeard on the skin of the fruits in late winter after many days of rainfall and a cold spell, but the spots  dried out since then appearently.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: San Diego garden photos
« on: July 05, 2017, 01:19:16 PM »
Awsome spot you live in spaugh.
Can you explain how you flush an inground tree please? you leave the hose open for 2 hours?  weak water flow or regular water flow?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: San Diego garden photos
« on: July 03, 2017, 06:12:30 PM »
Nice trees!! where are the cherimoyas ?? :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rogue mango tree!
« on: July 02, 2017, 04:21:18 PM »
How old is the tree?

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No, just half-an-inch or so below the node.
For a the case of a flushing young tree, which of the following two tipping options is more effective to trigger rapidly a second vegetative flush (for tree shaping purpose)?
1 - profit from the fact that the tree is flushing and tip the branches once the stem is completely elongated but without waiting for the leaves to harden off? (is there a risk that the second flush comes weak due to it using the left over energy from the current flush? or is it the opposite which is true, i mean the second flush profit from the momentum triggered by the current flush)
2 - wait for the current flush to harden off and the tree to recover from the current effort and gather some more energy before tipping again ?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: photo of Irwin mango?
« on: June 16, 2017, 10:45:13 AM »
I believe the famous japanese grown mangoes are irwin, but you may only find perfectly shaped fruits in the net since they proceed to a drastic selection of the fruits they sell and which pics are found in the net.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Top these cherimoyas?
« on: June 15, 2017, 08:43:57 AM »
Thanks spaugh for the pics. Mine is also at exactly the same stage after pugging it 45 days ago, so we are on the good pace as a i see.
I am interested also to know the detailed next step. Could we just cut the branches without stripping those healthy green leaves or is it necessary to remove them for letting new branches grow?
I think I will just top them again in a month or 2.  Not planning on stripping any leaves off.
Hi spaugh, just to let you know, i tipped one of my cherimoyas yesterday (similar to yours) and i did strip off 3 leaves below each cut to test the result before doing it to my other cherimoya. The leaves went without any resistance, even though they were perfectly green, i mean no sign of any discolration or aging of the leaves. There is no fiber that can peal off the stem while taking the leave off. So if you were worried about harming the stem (that was my case) when stripping the leaves i can assure you that they just clipp off like a lego piece lol. I hope new branches will grow rapidly from these cuts.

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Why do you want to cut them off? according to what you stated, your tree seems to have decent size (9 ft), and the fruitlets are fairly big by now i think. you may want to post a picture of the whole tree and wait for more experienced members to give you their opinion

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Wow, interesting "stuff" and way over my head.

Am growing Sweet Tart on Coconut Cream.  The fella I got it from is trying different rootstocks to compare the influence.  I'll soon be grafting on Mallika and Turpie.

This was the newly grafted ST spring 2016.



Early May it's holding 8 nice fruit and growing up to be a big boy.


Very interesting, how did you get it from this size a year ago to fruiting? do you have a pic of the whole tree?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Top these cherimoyas?
« on: May 17, 2017, 03:53:03 AM »
Thanks spaugh for the pics. Mine is also at exactly the same stage after pugging it 45 days ago, so we are on the good pace as a i see.
I am interested also to know the detailed next step. Could we just cut the branches without stripping those healthy green leaves or is it necessary to remove them for letting new branches grow?
 

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Bump for Central Florida tonight. Going to try to have someone record it for those who requested.
Great!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Spring time in SoCal
« on: May 14, 2017, 03:23:08 PM »
Hi Samu, did you pollinate the cherimoya or did it self polinate?  My baby trees already have little fruit on them like yours but I never polinated them?
Spaugh are you talking about the little cherimoya you pugged last month? do you have recent picture of it?

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I am literally right across the county line in orange county. I have Pink Barbie, Egyptian, white, lemon, and three other guavas I cant remember at this time. They all do fine and the two that are old enough to fruit do so profusely. Lemon produces year round. White is a once a year thing. The only issue I have is white flies on some of them. You shouldn't have any growth or fruiting issues where you are.
How tall and how old are your fruiting guavas? (pics would be great also :) )

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I don't have science evidence or tracks, but here is my apricot tree planted 15 months ago and fed exclusively with nettle, borage and dandelion teas (brew for approx 4 or 5 days), both foliar feeding and drenching. I have never put a single gram of fertilizer or even animal manure under it. The soil is clay.

2,5 feets bare stump back then



Here it is last month, 8 feet high and bearing small fruits and healthy, so i guess the soil is loving the bacterias in the tea.



I have other trees that didn't respond this well, but at least, this may prove that compost teas are good, at least i believe it.

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Pugged my Lemon Zest similarly, it's going to be extremely bushy now

http://imgur.com/a/tA6oX


Nice new growths.  I might use a saw blade to clean up that rough cut and possibly seal it with something.  Moisture can get in there and eventually cause problems

The experts in the forum do not advise to seal the cut after pugging in order to not trap in fungal diseases, this advice is more useful in this case since the cut was made long ago so all the crap above it will be sealed in that case.

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Bananimal, If you chose your forum nickname in relation to your dog that would explain it all, if the dog is pooping bananas, i think that cavendish variety is in big trouble, got to patent the new banana tree/dog variety asap as said by gnappi!
Just kidding, weird thing. Man i hate rats, they are so groase animals!

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Not sure on the wax jambu, but with annonas the idea is you generally prune back last season's growth by roughly a third, and strip off old leaves at about the time when temps are favorable for new growth. They will push new growth and drop the old leaves on their own, but pruning and stripping leaves can get that new growth happening sooner.

I know a peach grower that chemically defoliates by basically chemically burning the leaves with...I think it was ZnS04, but it could have been some other fertilizer spray. I imagine the same approach could be done with annonas, though I haven't seen any documentation of growers doing so.

I found an answer to my question and eventually an additional info about what was said by Dom concerning chemical defoliation for cherimoyas on this web site :

http://uses.plantnet-project.org/en/Annona_cherimola_(PROSEA)

It says :
"In Thailand sugarapple is rejuvenated each year to maintain fruit quality. Laterals weakened by bearing are removed and vigorous replacement shoots are headed back. The trees are pruned when the leaves are about to fall, leading to an early resumption of growth. The new growth is supported by irrigation until the rainy season sets in. In this way the harvest period is brought forward.

Strong apical dominance in some cherimoya and atemoya cultivars gives rise to vigorously growing whips which fail to flower. These vigorous shoots are tipped during the growing season to stimulate the emergence of flowering laterals. Axillary bud break can be improved by removing the uppermost leaves after tipping. If these treatments do not have the desired effect, chemical defoliation, either during early bud break or in the middle of the growing season, is a last resort. A range of defoliants has been tested and a mixture of 250 g urea and 1 g ethephon (EthrelŪ) per litre, plus wetting agent, has been most successful. "

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Does anonas (cherimoyas in particular) respond to tipping the ongoing growth without stripping the leaves which would be still green, in the middle of the growing season, by more branching out ? (as mangoes do).

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Thank you very much for the answer. Do you let the leaves harden before tipping? or you tip them when they are still bronze colored?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Tipping Help
« on: April 26, 2017, 04:25:22 PM »
I have found tipping and sometimes pruning to do the trick. several grafts that pushed little and then stayed there with anemic growth after pruning woke up hard. its a great tool we all have and should exercise.
Hi behlgarden, in another thread you talked about tipping a mango tree each 10 inches and that this worked great for your tree, do you have pics?

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