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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asimina Trilobas in the wild
« on: October 12, 2019, 01:17:02 PM »
May have made Misspoken  about Duckworth cultivar ---- (EDIT or maybe not seedling of Louisiana Plant)
(sorry read it didn't look at the spread sheet. before typing )


Just saw on KYSU (looking up blue stain disease)
that That was selected By Eric Duckworth in San mateo Florida (i saw LA. in other places (edit) guess I was somewhat right )
50 miles East of Gainesville Florida (northern Florida)-- ( there is that Nursery that sells them in Gainesville FL.)

Although I may have found a starting place to graft to or breed Asimina triloba (selection ) for my Dwarf idea root stock
Duckworth b grows Only to a   Shurb (wonder if it's part dwarf pawpaw A. parviflora)
(of coarse I know of all the other species A.parviflora dwarf pawpaw)
(book smart, but sadly no experience Yet in 2019) even  A. manasota
http://www.botanicalexplorer.com/current.html

Cool they said there have been Triploids hybrids have also been reported
usually diploid 2n=2x =18
See taxonomy in link.

I know there are 2 Asimina Triloba  KYSU (, and neal Peterson) looked at)
that where graft Incompatable ,

http://kysu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/PomperLayne2005.pdf

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Speckled Talponia Moth (or) pawpaw peduncle borer, Talponia plummeriana


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Greenhouse heating invention
« on: October 12, 2019, 11:23:38 AM »
Is bricks better ?
I'm talking on the out side of the green house covered in ply wood so the beam doesn't go through,
and burn down anything
said it is 2000 degree's

They say it's dangerous when it is disturbed

Of coarse those old octopus furnaces already have it in there huge steel vents
If It caused so many diseases being undisturbed I'm sure more people in old homes would have mesothelioma

I actually prefer the old octopus vent no forced air just cast iron holding the heat
and no temperature Fluctuations.

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Getting the first problem out of the way

# 1 Do not Shake pawpaw tree,and look up 3 hard ones almost broke my nose! (eyes teared up)

#2 The pawpaw peduncle borer, Talponia plummeriana, may be the most severe pest (USNM image). 
The larvae, which reach a length of 5 mm, feed in fleshy parts of the flower, causing flowers to drop.
This borer is in Whole fruit (so no opening )
Cliff England (Breeder & associated with selling Jerry Lehman seeds  one of which is 812 grams almost a kilo)
which has many tree's said it is rare so should NOT be a worry in the USA)
The USA may have natural moth predators so shipping fresh fruit could be a concern.

Was freaking out when in the woods opened up a fruit for a taste ,
and found two long skinny  worms .

see Picture Below On next post

#3
 Talponia batesi (Оlethreutidae) was taken in a cherimoya } from Мехico

#4
See also This post
New guanabana disease
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=32093.msg352791#msg352791

#6 like every thing white flies eating roots , and seeds
Using dry sand on new seed bed (I have a propagation method , but that may need a new link to)

#6 North western USA  or (better Known as  Pacific Northwest PNW region )
Blue stain



 pretty sure  carried by a fungus on Pine tree's Native there.)

If I can find good links about it.
(but here for now) KYSU


By the way about grafting
A lot of tree's people Graft if they do not like the Variety when Large

Jerry Lehman (midwest)  said he doesn't (not with PAWPAW), and His tree's where old Big looking
KYSU (college) said tree's decline after 15 years (on web site)
I saw them They look like they graft onto older root stock
 at least the orchard where I searched for fallen old fruit for seeds.

This is KY though (not too far from Jerry's) , I am not certain if they have Hybrids of those Species of pine
or because I read the wood is softer (I know little about grafting so far -- pines soft and grafts well long term ?)

(Sadly Jerry Lehman past away Rest in Peace Jerry Lehman.)

------------------------------------- see link  about BLUE STAIN go to second page ------------------
Fungus from conifer has been associated with Blue stain Ceratocystic & leptographium has been to blame.
http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/PDF/postman03.pdf


 
 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Greenhouse heating invention
« on: October 12, 2019, 09:40:26 AM »
see this firplace (Link here) http://www.hopspress.com/Videos/Masonry_Fireplace.htm
Hope what you try works out well If I where a better plumber I would otherwise I'd try to use a heat cable , but not certain what is the most effective I do have a old 70's book Gardening under glass , but haven't looked through it in years
 (technology has come along way , but still A nice book)




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Greenhouse heating invention
« on: October 12, 2019, 08:34:47 AM »
Other than Cast iron
(Extremely salty )water could be used , but not certain if the steam would be too much
with plain water unless it was contained (of coarse with salt water)

Cat litter Mineral Zeolite could be used  (sorry can't find my links here is wiki)
(hit ctrl , and f ,and hold search heat)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeolite#Commercial_and_domestic 

The German group Fraunhofer e.V. announced that they had developed a zeolite substance for use in the biogas industry for long-term storage of energy at a density 4x more than water.[21] Ultimately, the goal is to be able to store heat both in industrial installations and in small combined heat and power plants such as those used in larger residential buildin

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Greenhouse heating invention
« on: October 12, 2019, 08:02:28 AM »
I cannot find the original one some kid took tiny square mirrors , and put them on a small satellite dish ,
 and made a laser beam here is a idea though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7BI0IcZ42I

Note The Above link with the projection TV screen be careful as it could burn the retina in your eye's

You could use a cloth out side made of steel (or asbestos ) , and focus it onto a cast Iron piece of metal
May find one from a Old octopus Furnace
(or a Old wood burning stove that is broke at a Scrap yard for cheap)

(I carried (ONE) huge piece of metal out of my basement )(out of 3 smallers ones)  maybe 240 LBS (I'm skinny)
(edit) step by step resting it on each  stair
(be careful of the door frame if you do can't lift with your legs first 3 steps & a Hernia)
, but call a Furnace company the least you could get is some pretty Cast Iron art work

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Greenhouse heating invention
« on: October 12, 2019, 07:44:39 AM »
Ever think of a large Magnifying glass on a something that tracks the sun for solar energy using one of those old TV screens .
Or a Satellite dish covered in tiny mirrors 

See edit.  for links

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkgFk15uBxw

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asimina Trilobas in the wild
« on: October 12, 2019, 07:36:17 AM »
Anyone else been Foraging this year
 found one last year with a pineapple taste (90% seed)

didn't go back this year to that particular spot (at pawpaw fest)
since I was with some people I meet
(nor did I refind one with 4 seeds (Normal taste but could next year as took a different path with no wild rose, bier bushes )

I am trying to breed / graft types
any late/early  types to extend the growing season
also wanted to go back to New Orleans as I know a spot 10 miles south of New Orleans (NOLA)
(information lost in my email , but too late this year I think where Duckworth originated )

Also interested In Asimina ( Flowers)species from FLORIDA as I think it woiuld be great to breed root stock
Apple has many root stocks(see MidFEx), (edit) using M27 or P22 root stock)
and a dwarf or a tiny yard with 100's of pawpaw types sounds enticing.

I'd like to do this with Pawpaw Any help with flowers this spring please Help
http://www.midfex.org/App_Pages/Yale/intro.aspx

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Ripping of PawPaw fruits
« on: October 12, 2019, 07:05:00 AM »
Starting a New topic In The tropical fruit section called Annonaceae tree diseases , and problems
I may mention Blue stain disease (after grafting the grafted part dies off)
(out North western USA  or Pacific Northwest PNW  pretty sure  carried by a fungus on Pine tree's Native there.)

If I can find good links about it.

By the way about grafting
A lot of tree's people Graft if they do not like the Variety when Large

Jerry Lehman (midwest)  said he doesn't (not with PAWPAW), and His tree's where old Big looking 
KYSU (college) said tree's decline after 15 years (on web site)
I saw them They look like they graft onto older root stock
 at least the orchard where I searched for fallen old fruit for seeds.

This is KY though , I am not certain if they have Hybrids of those Species of pine
or because I read the wood is softer (I know little about grafting so far -- pines soft and grafts well long term ?)

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Ripping of PawPaw fruits
« on: October 12, 2019, 06:15:51 AM »

When Looked up the species doesn't appear to be in your country
something to look out for if transplanting fruit.

Not common in America (cliff England said , but maybe they have natural predators in USA)

Did you mean A picture of The one that eats Cherimoya

(edit to try to attach picture )



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Would you be willing to send some
Not certain about the postage , but would pay it a head of time if you send.

Also would want it tracked ,so it doesn't get lost in the mail.
 and willing I'd  pay for next day delivery if it goes bad fast.

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Thank you never really had most Tropical fruit fully ripe Only at the grocery store
Thinking of going to spice park (also would try things bad tasting , becauase I like bitter flavors for wine making also.)

Would love some natives even Golfer apple (to play around with recipes Wine or drying  )
or hog plums -- sea berry (for smoothies maybe or flavoring or candy making I've only made ginger candy so no expert here)

I know it isn't in S florida ,but one of the only things I tried fully ripe was cherimoya
 ( and it was like $10 bucks or more at a Mexican shop the other was $5, but that one didn't taste ripe enough, )
mamey sapota was also  very good tsasted like Pumpkin pie (grow them for fun at home. ).

If I do travel to Florida I can go for a week (work one week on one off )
Would it be worth it to get seeds at spice park love nature , and biking so wouldn't be a deal breaker otherwise)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Thai Dwarf Mulberries
« on: October 10, 2019, 01:33:09 PM »
Sorry for the confusion Osage Orange is not a actual Orange It's in the breadfruit Family (mulberry family) ,
 and used for Che Rootstock a lot  since it grows so weedy maybe I'm not certain.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Ripping of PawPaw fruits
« on: October 10, 2019, 01:24:12 PM »
In fact, there are many pests imported with fruit or other goods such as plants, such as the cherry vinegar fly (Drosophila suzukii ) or the boxwood borer (Glyphodes perspectalis), whether or not moths that go on Paw Paws live here, I don't know. When opening the torn fruits I couldn't find any maggot or maggot fodder, nor any excrements.


Those Moths worms where in whole fruit
so they had to of Laid their eggs in the flowers I just wanted to clear that up.

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Hi I am willing to try anything I can't get at a store (different cultivars )(for cash or trade )

I am not sure if I want anything out of the country if it isn't canned do not want to get into any trouble
also do not want to import any pests -- (well unless there is a way to send to the USDA First,
but I know nothing of that unless it's a plant material (i heard aliitle)

Ifv you have anything in mind let me know

I could mail ginkgo leaves
Prickly ash leaves (tooth ahce tree sorry no fruit I have just a tiny amount , and a tooth may give me problems until it gets pulled)

Lemon quince (tea or fruit maybe)



I can give a larger list if you have anything let me know
I haven't known if the tree near my house has pawpaws , but I can see (Think it's too late at least for that one )
I will see in a day or two if I come up forging
had a bubble gum taste

Persimmon is in season
These are cultivars (breed by Jerry Lehman (some may be from Cliff England )
Jerry Lehman Passed away this spring Pruning his tree's

These do have seeds (some may not )

Jerry Lehman Had one with 36 brix , and dried , but I may take those for the seeds
if I can get my hands on one (i'm not certain yet as I have visited Since He passed, but not a certain thing )

Note I do a lot of forging for wild stuff so if unusual stuff is your thing I can find some of that
Just need to hear what your interested in or have tried in the past.

I also may have Material stuff (I do auctions but it may be food related health food medicinal Herbs etc. nothing Illegal )
I have plantian (Leaf Herb )(not banana ) to get rid of itches as well (but you should be able to find it yourself in your yard)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Persimmon 30 chromosomes
« on: October 07, 2019, 06:34:00 AM »
From what I understand if a 90 persimmon gets pollinated by a Kentucky 60
seedless fruit comes about so no offspring

Wouldn't KY 60 with a Keywest 30 be sterile and no offspring too.

Do you mean double the chromes on a Key west to 60

but if it is 60, and 60 a fertile offspring would be the result .

I am actually wondering what if a 30, and a 90 chromosones one breed what would happen
sterile or not

I understand somewhat , was really good at math in school but not so much now
wish someone could explain some of the examples that normally look like they wouldn't work, but do.

I will have some examples when I get home

By the way the bar right by the hotel is named Keywest bar, and grill maybe subconcious why I asked

https://www2.palomar.edu/users/warmstrong/ww0503.htm#triploid

Oops wrong link Modifying days later
https://www2.palomar.edu/users/warmstrong/hybrids1.htm

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Lemon Quince (tastes like Lemonade)
« on: October 07, 2019, 06:19:35 AM »
Looked at Okios picture maybe it is Japanese quince you speak of (or pseudocydonia )
it is a tiny bush (mortun Arboretums tree's are 15 feet or so with huge  size fruit )
(the founder of morton salt company started that place)

I may have seeds available if anyone is interested

I may have pollen  next year (I will ship in diatonomous earth)
I do not want to introduce any pests in any parts of the world


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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Lemon Quince (tastes like Lemonade)
« on: October 07, 2019, 06:06:22 AM »
Good Observation, but As I remember they said it was Quince, and I think it was a larger tree smaller fruit,

I know the Nursery name it's at my home so maybe on Wednesday or Thursday I will know.

They are passionate about seed growing, and letting the tree's adapt (okio's It sounds like)
\
Oh I guess that was it.

https://oikostreecrops.com/

https://oikostreecrops.com/products/?route=product%2Fsearch&search=quince

By the way Want to try to grow those japanese quince you mention (maybe make hybrids , or use as rootstock 
When I was a little younger (early 20's) I saw one a block away 2 feet or less tall
actually had a thorn in the fruit (not sure if it was stuck in it or grew out of it)

I didn't prepare it right Now I like quinces because they dry easy,  and store better then apples
makes great tea along with those tiny (marble sized) crab apples no on cares about.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Thai Dwarf Mulberries
« on: October 07, 2019, 02:46:26 AM »
Could the dwarfimng be from a osage orange rootstock not certain myself they seem more bushy?
I've always Just put a tarp Under them Threw a rope over them with a weight attached , and shook them onto it.
otherwise being a kid and picking them was fun, but didn't think of that then.

No need to have a dwarf unless it's a space issue

otherwise makes good wine, and drying (and freeze drying) them unripe is very good.

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CLick On the  picture of the seeds
https://sheffields.com/seeds-for-sale/Passiflora/incarnata///////3077/Purple-Passionflower,-Maypop,-Wild-Passion-Flower,-Wild-Apricot,-Wild-Passion-Vine,-True-Passionflower/Purple-Passionflower,-Maypop,-Wild-Passion-Flower,-Wild-Apricot,-Wild-Passion-Vine,-True-Passionflower






Edible Uses: Fruit - raw or cooked in jellies, jams etc. A sweet flavour, it is best when used as a jelly.High in niacin. Fairly large, the fruit is up to 5cm in diameter though it contains relatively little ediblepulp and a lot of seeds. Leaves - raw or cooked. Said to be delicious as a cooked vegetable or wheneaten in salads. Flowers - cooked as a vegetable or made into syrup.

Medicinal Uses: Maypops is a valuable sedative and tranquillising herb with a long history of use in NorthAmerica. It is frequently used in the treatment of insomnia, epilepsy, hysteria etc. The leaves and stemsare antispasmodic, astringent, diaphoretic, hypnotic, narcotic, sedative, vasodilator and are also used inthe treatment of women's complaints. The plant is harvested after some of the berries have matured andis then dried for later use. It is used in the treatment of insomnia, nervous tension, irritability, neuralgia,irritable bowel syndrome, pre-menstrual tension and vaginal discharges. An extract of the plant depressesthe motor nerves of the spinal cord[213], it is also slightly sedative, slightly reduces blood pressure andincreases respiratory rate. The plant contains alkaloids and flavonoids that are an effective non-addictivesedative that does not cause drowsiness. The plant is not recommended for use during pregnancy. Apoultice of the roots is applied to boils, cuts, earaches, inflammation etc]. The dried plant is exportedfrom America to Europe for medicinal usage. A homeopathic remedy is made from the plant. The GermanCommission E Monographs, a therapeutic guide to herbal medicine, approve Passiflora incarnata for nervousness& insomnia .

QUoted from Sheffeilds
Wiki description:
Passiflora incarnata , commonly known as Maypop , Purple passionflower , True passionflower , Wild apricot , and Wild passion vine , is a fast growing perennial vine with climbing or trailing stems. A member of the passionflower genus Passiflora , the Maypop has large, intricate flowers with prominent styles and stamens. One of the hardiest species of passionflower, it is a common wildflower in the southern United States . The Cherokee in the Tennessee area called it ocoee ; the Ocoee River and valley are named after this plant, which is the Tennessee State Wildflower .

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Sheffields Seeds Claims they harvest there seeds from a Minnesota type (CLick On the  picture of the seeds)
I am not sure if that is Indoors or outdoors , but
I know passiflora Incarnata can grow in -20 I've seen it , but never did see it fruit around here (never looked though)
It was in the open on someones fence when I was a kid but haven't seen it around

(new owners probally killed it long ago way before any polor vortex since I haven't seen it for years)

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Lemon Quince (tastes like Lemonade)
« on: October 07, 2019, 12:59:21 AM »
Hi I found this Quince Inn Illinois At Mortun Arboretum (Lisle)
I never hear anything about it though

I may have seeds available

I DId look up After I started this post , and do not see it listed Anyone know where to find the true lemon quince

I swear this is it though tatsed just like lemonade
https://www.mortonarb.org/trees-plants/tree-plant-descriptions/common-flowering-quince

(note I have another web site that claims they have it In Michigan but they looked smaller
Will have to dig up the name of it , and email them.




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try to contact them could work

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