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Oh didn't see your recent posts read this a week ago (interesting)
They can survive In Gorgia ever heard of the (SC) charleston Tea Plantation
https://www.charlestonteaplantation.com/

Not what you asked But have you ever heard about Franklinia alatamaha (could survive even zone 5)
 Gordonia lasianthus (loblolly bay) or
 Stewartia malacodendron, the silky camellia

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Ripping of PawPaw fruits
« on: October 07, 2019, 12:10:27 AM »
https://www.virginiafruit.ento.vt.edu/PawPaw/PAW_000C.html

PIcture Of moth
https://www.butterfliesandmoths.org/species/Talponia-plummeriana

They didn't mention the black stuff that grows on the fruit , but I heard it doesn't harm them

IV. Pests: The pawpaw tree has few pests.


The pawpaw peduncle borer, Talponia plummeriana, may be the most severe pest (USNM image).  The larvae, which reach a length of 5 mm, feed in fleshy parts of the flower, causing flowers to drop.


Sorry for Hijacking your thread
didn't mean to just wanted to explain that boror

Speckled Talponia Moth
Cliff England with his fields of PAwpaw said it is rare for it so I wouldn't worry to much.
I wonder if a Moth is native to German that would do that (google didn't show anything)
 but did say Talponiabatesi (Оlethreutidae) was taken in a cherimoya } from Мехico.

I should look into it, and maybe start a thread of Pawpaw Annona pests.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Ripping of PawPaw fruits
« on: October 07, 2019, 12:08:07 AM »
In America (not German) ever found a worm in a whole wild fruit

 peduncle borer, Talponia plummeriana,
Actually trying to find some wild ones now to graft onto mine in Southern IL Shawnee National forest>
(at hotel today though (never charged me for today SO I must rest)

Oh Persimmon too

Not sure if this is the best link But when I get home I should find better links about it.
Sure did scare me when I found one after pawpaw fest In athens ohio

Unfortunatly didn't refind the one with 4 seeds,
and the other that tasted like pineapple (90% seed)(so I just bought a GPS)
but a nice red persimmon I tagged with a sock. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Persimmon 30 chromosomes
« on: October 06, 2019, 11:52:52 PM »
Here is a link
https://www.intechopen.com/books/breeding-and-health-benefits-of-fruit-and-nut-crops/genetic-diversity-and-breeding-of-persimmon

In the genus Diospyros, there are species and varieties having diploid (2n = 2x = 30), tetraploid (2n = 4x = 60), hexaploid (2n = 6x = 90), nonaploid (2n = 9x =135) and dodecaploid (2n = 12x = 180) chromosome number. Therefore, it is thought that the basic chromosome number of the genus Diospyros is 15 [9, 12]. The chromosome numbers of some wild species of genus Diospyros (D. oleifera, D. glandulosa, D. confertiflora, D. discolorare, D. ehretioides, D. lycioides, D. mollis, D. rhodocalyx and D. sumatrana) are 2n = 30, except for 2n = 60 for D. rhombifolia and 2n = 90 for D. ebenum [13, 14, 15]. D. kaki L. is a hexaploid (2n = 6x = 90). However, octoploid (2n = 8x = 120) cultivars such as Hasshu and nonaploid (2n = 9x =135) cultivars such as ‘Hiratanenashi’ and ‘Tonewase’ have also been reported [14, 15, 16]. On the other hand, D. virginiana has two karyotypes with 2n = 60 and 90 [15, 17], while D. lotus is diploid (2n = 2x =30) [14].




I think it would be interesting to take a Florida Persimmon Breed it with a early type (kentucky 60 type),
 and see if your native types would be early since we get alot less sun.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Florida Persimmon 30 chromosomes
« on: October 06, 2019, 11:49:51 PM »
Can someone that understands Genetics explain this to me
I've read the florida keys has a Persimmon with 30 chromosomes

I know if Our northern Persimmon (90) gets pollinated by a Kentucky one (60)
they are seedless (I know alittle about meosis, and that)

but what if a 30 chromosomes gets doubled would that go with a kentucky one.

All I read is the northern ones are better tasting ,  and the florida ones are not as good
(I read that alot about other things , and I usually disagree
Like American persimmons are no good when I love them)

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Interesting I wonder If they just grew thousands , and found the ones that lived ,
or if they protected them for a some years so they could handle the cold.


I'm in -20 F USDA zone 5 b

Will have to watch next time I eat dinner
will look up some articals on it in a few days if your interested
(Im a caregiver so I can do that in my spare time I've seen your posts
right now as a matter of fact I'm trying to forge wild pawpaw for this week(asimina triloba not payapa)


so I can graft seleted wild types onto my tree's (or persimmon ) have fun forging.)

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Wild Persimmon Haul
« on: November 18, 2015, 12:01:55 PM »
oops this is the cultivar list
Oh I didn't know your know was triloba tracker (are you referring to Asimina triloba?) --
I plan on writing KYSU about seeds Since I missed my Buses to pawpaw fest for seeds..

http://www.persimmonpudding.com/cultivate/cultivars/cultivars.html

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Wild Persimmon Haul
« on: November 18, 2015, 11:58:10 AM »
My first Post I am actually interested in seeking out different fruits that may be good commercially
or just good cultivars Do you have any seeds to share?

I actually visited this site before, but after reading you post decided to join.

Mainly with me I have always been interested in breeding plants,
(I'm short for time right know, but could explain more about that later. I liked certain plants as a teenager.)

Speaking about different plants I had my First paw paw years ago, and ALWAYS busy with work (as a caregiver) had to relay on forums to get seeds
Since I no longer work everyday A few years ago went to Ohio to paw paw fest 
(it costs a lot $180 then, but this year I booked 2 buses for 35, but missed my bus though hahaha),
 and One Pawpaw I got had only 3 seeds (the size of a hass avocado  (actually someone threw the huge bag of ALL  the different seeds cold stratifying in the fridge out while I was out of state In Louisiana  Oh well. there will always be more time to try again, but I just hope I will find one like that agian)

Ahve you heard of The web site with culivars called persimmin pudding
http://www.persimmonpudding.com/recipes/puddings.html

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