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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rare, unusual Variegated fruit trees
« on: September 03, 2017, 12:52:43 PM »
One of my Jackfruit seedlings is showing some variegation, in a few leaves. It would be great if could hold this, but by the last one it put out, I don't think it will keep the variegation; anyway, I'm posting just fro the record.

First one looks like I. Feuillei, and last one seems to be I. paterna.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Babaco
« on: August 19, 2017, 09:35:02 PM »
hello, does it grow from cuttings? I am looking for babaco in Europe, but so far haven't found any nursery selling it...

Plenty here in the neighbour archipelago.
I know of someone that grows a few of it, and might be able to convince him to sell a few cuttings (it roots very easy from cuttings).

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Looking for banana pups
« on: August 14, 2017, 11:43:51 AM »
I have pups of, Dwarf Orinoco, Dwarf Brasilian, and a Cavendish group one, that I'm not sure about the exact variety.
I can ship ((bare root) to Europe.

Let me know by PM if you're interested in any of these.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ID: jaboticaba oblongata or aureana?
« on: August 14, 2017, 10:24:09 AM »
It's leaves are completely different from my Aureana; however as there are a few different forms of Aureana, it might be one of the rare forms, but not the one I have.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: looking for lucuma
« on: August 13, 2017, 06:03:11 PM »
Last year I've sold and trade a lot of Lucuma seeds. The variety I have seems to be "La Molina".
Should have seeds in a month or so.
Hi, how long does it take from flower to mature fruit?Does it continue to mature with cold weather?

Here it takes at least 6 months from flower, to mature fruit, maybe a little more in years with milder summers. I'm not sure if it continues to mature with cold weather, as we don't really have cold here, but as it comes from the Andean region, I supose it can handle some cold.

Can reccomend Grapebush for seed quality. Well packed and posted.

Thank you Troy!

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: looking for lucuma
« on: August 13, 2017, 05:58:31 PM »
Last year I've sold and trade a lot of Lucuma seeds. The variety I have seems to be "La Molina".
Should have seeds in a month or so.
When is the best time for grafitng Lucuma seedlings? How long does it take to fruit from seed planting?

As with many tropicals, I supose the best time is when it is putting new flushes of growt, and here it happens during spring and early summer, but sometimes also in winter, if weather stays mild.
All my plants were grafted or airlayered, so I'm not sure about how long it takes to fruit from seed, but think it should be something from 6 to 10 years.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: looking for lucuma
« on: August 10, 2017, 02:40:07 PM »
Last year I've sold and trade a lot of Lucuma seeds. The variety I have seems to be "La Molina".
Should have seeds in a month or so.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangosteen seeds germination help
« on: July 24, 2017, 02:00:32 PM »
They don't seem to like to much moisture for germination.
I would try to germinate them in moist vermiculite, and if ny signs of germination were seen, then transplant it to a pot with a well drained substract.

Last one is Syzygium malaccense, maybe from the seeds I sent you.
Second is G. xantochymus and maybe third as well.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A wealth of different types of Uvaia
« on: July 13, 2017, 06:36:31 PM »
One of these seems to be preparing to flower.

You´re right. Flowers are coming. ;)

Yep; they opened 3 weeks ago, but no fruit set, however it's flowering again, let's see if it will set one just for taste this time.

Hi Miguel,

I would be interested in one seedling.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrtaceae by Cuttings
« on: July 06, 2017, 04:26:18 PM »
Congratulations, Grapebush, on your successes.

I have no idea why cuttings don't work for me. Inspired by this thread and the observation of the Plinia Prince that some myrtaceae root from leaf cuttings, I took a large number of leaf and of semi hard wood cuttings last fall. I had them on a heat mat in an incubator all winter and spring and not one of them took. Two leaves did indeed develop roots, but no growing tip. And all my cuttings failed.

It may be a specific ability of each separate species, or even cultivar to root from cuttings. Or one may need serious equipment, like for Feijoa cuttings.
Ugni's are easy to root for me, but all other Myrtaceae failed...

All the better to see someone succeed!

Thank you very much Solko.
About Feijoa, I've tried it myself as well, but never managed to root a single one, not even by airlayer, so I give up on that one, at least for now...
About rooting leaves, I also tried, and got some to develop roots, but all ended up dead! I guess they don't like to be touched while they're puting a root out, as all of the ones that I touched to see if something was being formed dried, and one that I've never touched is still there looking alive.
For sure some species look easier to root than others, and also some grow faster than others once rooted. Pitangatuba seems to root faster, but develops much slower than Jabos, at least for me...
One thing that might had contribute for your lack of success is the humidity factor. Here the air humidity is always high, and some of these cuttings were rooted in my mini greenhouse, where the humidity is even higher; and these developed faster, so I think this is also a key factor.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrtaceae by Cuttings
« on: July 05, 2017, 04:35:02 PM »
Here's a side by side, with the mother tree (left) and the rooted cutting, that confirms my theory that these develops faster than seed grown plants.

Hi Grapebush,

Good job! I will try your method to rooting the Jaboticaba. Can I get from you some information. What is your everage temperature per year and the actual temperature in summer.
Thanks in advance.


Thank you for your comment and interest.

My average temperature trough the year is arround 18º (celsius), and in summer it goes usually from 23º to 28º, with some exceptions, where it can be slightly lower, or higher, up to 33º.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrtaceae by Cuttings
« on: July 04, 2017, 04:54:00 PM »
Here's a side by side, with the mother tree (left) and the rooted cutting, that confirms my theory that these develops faster than seed grown plants.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrtaceae by Cuttings
« on: July 02, 2017, 03:59:40 PM »
Thank you everybody for your comments and inputs.

Marcos, the species on the images is an unknown (to me) species/variety of jabo, that I've found localy, and these are cuttings from one seedling I have from that species; but also have one cutting of the Red Hybrid, that I suspect, is forming roots, and one of Eugenia stipitata, that is alive for more than 6 months. As soon as my Plinia phitrantha seedlings are big enough to take cuttings I will try with these too.

Greenman, If yours end up rooting, let us know.

New update on the Pitangatuba, that is putiing out a root sucker:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrtaceae by Cuttings
« on: June 28, 2017, 05:49:43 PM »
Nice work there
I hope your results are reproducible from other forum mumbers.

Thank you very much, for your comment.
I also hope this could encourage other people to try it.
It all started almost by accident, and now that I'm repeating it, from time to time, it seams quite easy to get a take; I'm just cutting young stems of my seedling plants, and sticking it in a pot right away; then I don't bother them for about 6 months, and that's it.
I noticed that they root faster, and develop stronger roots, if the potting mix, is a little bit sandy.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrtaceae by Cuttings
« on: June 25, 2017, 06:20:27 PM »
Recently I decided to pull 2 Plinia Sp. cuttings I had in a pot, to see if it had form any roots, and eventually put it in it's own pots, and to my surprise they had developed some nice roots, and much more complex and strong root system than plants started from seeds.
Just take a look:

Also some update on my first rooted jabo cutting, and the Pitangatuba one as well.

Not sure how many of you are on instagram, but you might be interested to see a video of someone roasting a whole Durian over a gas burner! I've never tried durian so I'm not sure what roasting it would achieve. Check out chasing_delicious on instagram.
I know the name sounds a bit weird, but it's all tropical fruits etc.

I'm not sure what it will deliver as taste, but as it is a fruit I can't find here, and I need to travel and still need some luck to find it, I don't think I would risk to do it... Maybe one day IF my seeds become nice trees, IF they adapt to the climate and IF they become prolific producers, I would try it...

In my experience, green caimito was sort of like a cross between grape and lychee, but a bit more mild, and less aromatic. Very pleasant. Maybe more like a longan, but with more of a gelatinous texture. Not my favorite, but certainly worth growing to me. My seed didn't take from my last one, so I'm looking forward to trying again.

The one I ate, didn't match your taste description; it was maybe more like a very good Annona with a hint of something else, but definitely very good. The good news for me is that at least one of my seeds is germinating, so maybe one day I would be able to eat my own starapple...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Recalcitrant seeds stored in water
« on: May 25, 2017, 05:13:59 PM »
For a few times I left seeds in water for a quite long period, and usually they germinate well. I' done this with a few types of Eugenias, Anonas, Lucuma, Garcinia xantochymus, and maybe others, and it always went ok.

In the last few months I also got some seeds and plants of Uvaia from different sources, and now, that most of them are germinated, I also noted that a few of them have different leaf shape, size, colour and texture. Also the growth habit changes a bit from batch to batch, and sometimes even in the same batch, there are some differences.
Some of the plants I got are already about 3 years old, and even if they come from the same source, they show some differences in growth habit and shape. One of these seems to be preparing to flower.
Here are the ones I have at the momment.

The different batches all together

These ones are from a friend in mainland Portugal, from suposedly 3 different types: Back left: médium size fruit, not very tasty, and 2 crops a year; Back right: big size fruit, sweet; Front right: Small size fruit, acid type.

Brazilian source for the both of these, but completely different plants (suposedely of a sweet type). Look the leaf size, form, veins and colour. And one of them has sets of 3 leaves at each segment, instead of 2, like most of the others I've seen.

The last ones I got. From Argentina.

Another brazilian source. Again, there are some slightly differences between them. Suposedely acid type.

These ones are from seeds I got on a trade, with a nurseryman, from Braga (mainland Portugal), and are from a suposedely sweet type.

These are my bigger plants, that I got on a local nursery, and I suspect these are originally from the nursery in Braga.

And that's what I supose to be flowers forming.

You reminded me that i had my first taste of lychees in Paris. At that time i had no idea what they were but decided to give it a go. It was love after that. HAHA
Really good cultivars of durians have aborted seeds, and a very good pulp to seed ratio. The good part of getting large seeds is you will be able to start plants easily.
Yes caimitos (starapple) is a highy under rated fruit. They can be quite excellent at their prime.
The photo of salak you posted looks like wallichiana. But in Thatiland, where it probably came from, they have some very good hybrid crosses. I would guess that is what that is.
That longan looks unusual. Longan seeds are usually black, not brown like in your photo.

Thank you very much for your reply Oscar.
It's nice to know that Paris also had some importance in your tropical fruit adventure.
You're right about the Durian seeds, It's a bit deceptive to have a so big amount of fruit being seeds, but also that provides you nice healthy seeds to start some trees, and if the offspring is at least as good as this one was, I would be very happy. And they're already germinating!
About the starapple, I can't wait for the next opportunity to get another fruit, and to eventually have a producing tree.
It is nice to know that I wasn't completely wrong about the Sallaca ID, and yet better to know that there are hybrids of that genus that can be so good. Just hope one of the plants will one day produce something as good as these fruits I had. By the way, you were right about the origin of the fruits; it came from Thailand, from the same supplier of the Durian (SiamFresh).
About the Longans, I was as surprised as you, by the seed color, the size, the skin and everything else. Could it also be an hybrid? They were absolutely sweet and juicy; the hands were sticking with the juice... With these big seeds, I expect some vigorous seedlings, let's see if my theory confirms.

I spent the last few days in Paris, where I was promoting some running events I co-organize here in my Island. In some free time I had, I took a visit to the local "China Town" (Cartier Chinois), where I was able to find an asian supermarket with plenty of tropical fruits, including fresh Durian, for my surprise. The prices weren't cheap, but some of these are fruits I'm not able to put my hands on that often, so I take some, having tasted 3 for the first time: Durian, Star apple, and a type o Salacca that I think is S. wallichiana.
My first impression on the Durian, was that it doesn't smell that bad as some people says, at least for my nose. However the seeds are quite stinky. The taste at first is quite bizarre, but I liked, at least this variety. It was a mix, of curry, roasted pork, banana and maybe passion fruit; a friend that was with me, also tasted a bit, and had the same opinion about taste. The thing with it, is that the seeds are huge and the flesh isn't that much, but still worth the experience. Saved the seeds to plant, let's see how they're going to develop...
The best surprise for me was the Caimito! I never payed to much attention to this fruit, and for so many times I had the opportunity to buy cheap seeds of this species, and always tought it wouldn't please me; this time as it was just there, and it wasn't that expensive (comparing to others), I decided to get one, and I loved it. Can't descrive the taste, but it was very, very good. Regreted to have bought only one. By the way, it was the green type. Also saved the seeds to plant.
Another that decided to buy, was the Salacca. It was labeled (from the origin) as S. zalacca, but it definitely wasn't that species! I think it is S. wallichiana (it would be great if someone could confirm, or trow the correct ID), and bought it just to compare with S. zalacca, that I tried 2 years ago. I had read the this species was inferior, in almost everything, to S. zalacca, but wanted to have my own opinion, and ended up very happy to had pick that, as for me these are much better than than S. zalacca, only loosing for the size, that is almost half of the other. It is much more Juicier, sweet and has very good perfume; in the other hand is less crunchier. I got most fruits with a single lobe, but also some with 2 lobes and one with 3 lobes. Will plant them separated as I read somewhere that seeds from 3 lobed fruits are more prone to produce female plants.

Also got Sugar apple, and some longans, and these last ones, surprised me because they were a little bit bigger than the ones that I had before (some were almost the size of lychees), but also the seeds were much bigger than the ones that I'm used to eat; also the skin was quite thicker, much more than the 2 other varieties that I already had; and finnaly, another surprise was the size of leaves, as it had one leave with it, and comparing with the leaves from my plants, they are less than half the size.


Hi have access to seeds of very good variety of Lucuma, with moist pulp, but it is not in season now.
I have some seeds but hey're in a very advanced state of germination, and might not travle well, otherwise I have some poted seedlings. Can also get scion wood if you want.
PM me if interested.

Hi Nélio
I have 4 seedlings form last year They grow very slowly. If they have a good size for grafting can i ask you for budwood?
Thank you


When they are thick enough for grafting, let me know and I will get you some budwood.
They use to be quite slow in the first year, but then they took off.



Hi have access to seeds of very good variety of Lucuma, with moist pulp, but it is not in season now.
I have some seeds but hey're in a very advanced state of germination, and might not travle well, otherwise I have some poted seedlings. Can also get scion wood if you want.
PM me if interested.


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