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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: love watching this mango farm in thailand
« on: January 31, 2018, 12:45:00 AM »
You know you are a tropical fruit addict when you search Youtube for video tour of fruit farms.  Trust me, I know.  I do the same thing.

Same,  I have used google translator to translate "mango" in some other languages, then paste them in Youtube search just to see what pops up.

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Since Ficus hedges don't normally get to flower around here, treating them with Imidacloprid is unlikely to harm bees, so long as no flowering plant's roots are also there.

Coconuts flower throughout the year and are heavily visited by bees.   Treating Coconuts with Imidacloprid or Safari is likely going to kill many bee babies.

I will be mostly treating the ficus hedge and 3 coconut palms. The palms were recently trimmed by the arborists that maintain the trees here in my neighborhood so there are no flowering parts left on the trees. I could easily cut off any emerging flowering 'branches' on the palms and snip off any emerging flowers from other fruit trees to protect the bees.

The question I am considering is whether 4 months after the application the imidacloprid could it found in mangoes next year after the flowers begin to emerge in February/March and will the bees be killed that long after ?
I am not sure what actual studies have been done but since application are said to be good for six months.  On the other hand, bees do not feed on mango flowers.

Hi Rob, Sorry that wasn't clear it was two separate thoughts:
Would  mangoes have levels of the imidacloprid that could be harmful (I know they are pollinated by flies ect)
And would the bees be harmed 5-6 months later ? (As I would removed my citrus blooms during that time frame if needed)

I know this is an old post,  but wanted to respond to this, question,  since I have been doing research on imidacloprid , which I recently purchased for my wife, and her ornamental plants.  of the commercial insecticides, it seemed to be on the lower end of the toxicity spectrum for humans.   

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23196371       this study has found that 85 days after a spray, there is no residuals in the fruit.    so it seems to me that,  the best way to use this insecticide ( if one really needs it ) is right after the tree has flowered,  this will protect the bees.  and should be completely out of its system by the time fruits are ready to pick.   I used a little drench on one potted mango tree with scale.   and another Avocado with white flies.  as a test.

anyone have any other experiences to add here?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PLANT IDEAS-Quick seed to fruit time
« on: December 24, 2017, 02:26:47 AM »
I think I had a sugar apple produce fruit in two years from seed.     bananas,  although from pups,  is another quickie.   and lulo, ( Solanum quitoense ) , makes a decent juice like passions fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: KEITT Mango
« on: December 16, 2017, 02:05:37 AM »
Keitt is a good mango,  very productive, relatively not much problem with  disease,  fruit can often get up to 2lbs.

What you can expect,    the fruit are not that colorful when ripe,   the tree can be "lanky" or the branches kind of hang all over the place. small trees with fruit will need to have support sticks holding the fruit off the ground.     one of the reasons its used commercially is, that it can be picked mature green,  and will survive shipping up to 3 weeks.   they handle well. 


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New acquisition
« on: December 07, 2017, 11:04:14 AM »
Small as in loquat sized... You sure that is a mamey? Looks like a loquat and Loqu probably should have been Loquat.

I think you are right.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Unusual fruiting of Papaya
« on: November 30, 2017, 11:51:31 PM »
Yep that's a male tree, that produced a few female flowers.   must be that frog DNA they inserted to fill in the blanks  ;D

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Cool winters help mango production, right?  We may no longer see cool winters.

Remember mangoes grow well here in the tropics, with no cold snaps,  flower induction is practiced on commercial farms,  to synchronize crops, but backyard growers get fruit every year.   I think rain is a bigger factor down here.  a wet winter,  is bad news.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Truly Tropical Tour - Marlys Zill's Mango
« on: November 16, 2017, 12:48:40 AM »
This is why that video was useful,  it seems that a few varieties do have some success out there.   and someone with similar situation,  might want to consider a variety that can take the humidity and muck.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mama Cadela
« on: November 13, 2017, 10:43:59 PM »
Was curious to what this was, I have not heard of it before, I came across this

http://tropical.theferns.info/viewtropical.php?id=Brosimum+gaudichaudii

Supposedly the fruit is fibrous, and juice is chewy/sticky like gum?  weird.  it looks more interesting for its medicinal properties of the root, for Vitiligo

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hunting the elusive Delicious Monster
« on: November 13, 2017, 10:37:13 PM »
A delicious "survival food".  Only a bit at a time is ready.

Yes its tempting to take off a bit more than one should,  it needs to be very very ripe for me,  if not,  I get a nasty throat irritation, itchy throat,  that persisted for more than a day. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Truly Tropical Tour - Marlys Zill's Mango
« on: November 11, 2017, 09:33:57 PM »
That Nell Petite looks interesting  real dwarf? clean, and decent fruit?  has potential,  I watched this video earlier today,  I believe she said that tree was 12 years old,  and it was very small .

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lemon Zest And Lemon Meringue Mangoes
« on: November 09, 2017, 03:50:46 PM »
Simon, I agree that chromosome translocation can produce some difference in the DNA of the somatic embryo, but when you refer to environmental conditions turning on and off genes, wouldn't these be like epigenetic changes where you would see these also in vegetative propagation?

I see it that way, it's epigenome, snps can change from environmental factors, 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lemon Zest And Lemon Meringue Mangoes
« on: November 07, 2017, 10:37:14 PM »
so, does that mean I will get a lemon zest if I planted a PPK's seed?

The Lemon Zest is a seedling of PPK,   I do not believe anyone knows for certain at this point that it crossed with another variety,  self pollinated itself,  or is just a genetic variation of PPK,  in any case,   if you plant a PPK seed, it is very likely you will get a plant similar to the mother plant.  if you select the clone.    the chances of you getting a seedling with a variation exactly like Lemon Zest is a million to one shot.  or in other words extremely unlikely,  genetically it will be different than anything else on the planet,  so you cannot call it a Lemon Zest,  even if it has some similarities to it. 

Have fun, plants some PPK seeds,  I plan on getting a PPK in spring,  since this variety from what I have read,  is consistent,  taste good,  productive,  and my main reason, its Earlier season than Lemon Zest.  and I want to extend my season.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ALMOND
« on: October 30, 2017, 03:16:51 PM »
Tropical Almond ( Terminalia catappa ) grows very well here in the Caribbean, and is used as an urban city tree.   not oly can you eat the nut, but kids here will pick up ripe fruit and eat the skin off the nut.  i tried it once, not bad.  seems to have a list of antibacterial and anti-fungal health properties.


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I do remember reading some years ago, field studies / research that showed that Gigaspora margarita was the strain that most benefited Mango.

http://www.researchjournal.co.in/upload/assignments/3_415-418.pdf

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cac Hoa Loc from Toptrop, or fake?
« on: October 09, 2017, 11:16:08 PM »
Sure looks like a Maha to me.

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Thanks for the correction Future, the autocorrect always gets me when I’m typing too fast.

I will put Peach Cobbler on the “maybe list” until we get more samples. I believe Cotton Candy still needs additional confirmation as well.

The good news is that PPK, Lemon Zest, Orange Sherbet and Sweet Tart are confirmed polyembryonic most of the time and these are some of my favorite mangos.

I’m not going to go in depth about this but I just wanted to mention that there is some research out there that suggest that when a tree is grown in a stressful environment such as one under disease pressures( Phomopsis, BBS, anthracnose, Powdery Mildew) the stress pressures can alter the DNA in such a way that specific genes may be turned on or off.

By planting seeds of our favorite varieties which were grown under these stressors, the resulting seedling plants may be genetically predispositioned to better ward off such environmental stressors. With each generation of seedlings grown in that same location, there is a better likelihood of actually turning on specific genes which may help combat the disease pressures or alternatively the resulting seedlings may turn off specific genes which may also help ward off diseases.

Simon

This is new science which I have looked into a bit,  epi-genetics, and agree,  I think it is possible that certain conditions, can change gene expression in offspring.  a few years back,  the whole human genome mapping was in the news,  we thought erroneously that finally we will know what each gene does, and be able to splice and create a GATTACA type world.  we found out that genes are just the tip of the iceberg.   we still have not mapped all the epi-genetic possibilities.    anyway this is deviating from main topic.    again it is very possible that given the right factors,  that certain genes can turn on or off, 

eventually we might have mangoes mapped out, and know what each gene does and how it is involved in traits the tree and fruit  will have.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316283834_Genetic_Map_of_Mango_A_Tool_for_Mango_Breeding

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/260154077_Characterization_of_mango_Mangifera_indica_L_transcriptome_and_chloroplast_genome

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wet feet successful trees?
« on: October 04, 2017, 02:06:00 AM »
The most insatiable potted plant i have when it comes to water,  is my Grumichama,  not sure how it would react to wet feet,  but sure is a thirsty plant.   I think it is one of the more attractive plants I have. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help mature lemon tree has never fruit
« on: October 04, 2017, 02:00:43 AM »
Just graft a few other citrus onto it, keeping many of the original branches,  then you can have a citrus cocktail tree.  you might end up getting fruit from the grafts before the original seedling decides to wake up.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Need help on my dragon fruit
« on: October 04, 2017, 01:54:40 AM »
I just hardly ever water mine,  I just allowed it to crawl up a wall,  onto a chain link fence.  ( about 20 feet in the air ) at one time the main feeder from the ground broke,  but it manages to stay alive and produce fruit with its roots and sent down some more ( i think ) I have already gotten about 8 Pitayas from that plant this year, and has 3 more still on it.

Although they are cactus, and can really stay alive in long droughts,   they do thrive on some moisture. ,   we have had regular rains this year, and no dry season,  so they do well, I do not spray them with anything, and they keep growing like weeds here.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing from seeds
« on: October 04, 2017, 01:48:04 AM »
Since there are hundreds of things one can grow from seeds, with varying results, for example source of seeds, and species involved.
many seeds will give satisfactory results,   for example  many people have just popped a few papaya seeds from a store bought fruit, and have had some good fruit.

Mango is a bigger gamble,  unless the seed is a poly,  your chances of getting a fruit as good as or better than the parent fruit,  is slim.

You might want to do forum searches for specific fruit, and see how others have fared growing that specific fruit by seed. 

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Wow what a table,  That Señorita looks pretty big,  much bigger than Madam Francis.  would definitely love to get seed ( if poly ) or scion   someday. if it is something with similar flavor profile than the MF.  it will be well accepted by the public here since its something they are familiar with,  the larger size, and less fiber are a plus also.

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Where does the Señorita come from?,  did this seedling originate from CA?

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Trump has chosen that Puerto Rican lives are not important,  maybe he thinks PR is a Mexican Island?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-refuses-send-more-195456324.html

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: One more tree.
« on: September 22, 2017, 05:43:00 PM »
Update to this post.

I ended up getting the Cotton Candy on that visit.   I was told it survived Irma, along with the Pickering and Edgar.  but I lost the huge Valencia Pride.  I had them cut it down to a stump, after the main root broke, and was leaning over the house. (was about 45-50 ft tall ).   next spring I hope to put something in its spot.  now comes  "One more tree  2.0 ".

I would like to increase the season,   by either adding an early season or late season.   from what I have already,  I gather they are in this order:

Pickering
Edgar
Cotton Candy.

For late season option I am looking at  Kathy,  or Honey Kiss.   correct me if I'am wrong  I think HK is the latest of the new Zill varieties?   but what would people recommend for post Cotton candy ?

If I decide to go early,  only one on my list so far is PPK.   what other decent Pre-Pickering  varieties ?


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