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The linked chart on wikipedia show common ions and their solubility in pure water.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solubility_chart

It does show that Potassium salts are readily soluble in water. I'd guess
the culprit is the Phosphrous...

If the water is not pure, and contains other ions, those can precipitate
in the presence of the ions in the fertilizer.


I guessed the same thing.  But as @CTMIAMI posted to really know you need to know the form that the nutrient is in.  If you don't know the form it is like asking "how soon will I travel 240 Km" if you don't know what speed the person is traveling.

If you had potassium complexed to a crown ether it would be insoluble in water.  If phosphorous is in the form of phosphoric acid it would easily dissolve.

super phosphate and triple phosphate (which are common phosphate soruces but hardly the only ones used) tend to dissolve in small amounts (super is something like 2 g / 100 mL), and just as you pointed out they can come crashing out of solution if you have a bunch of other ions (like Fe2+) hanging around.

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Ok, how about this?
Off the top of my head I'd guess that the order things would disolve would be K, N, P; but I'd be completely unwilling to wager any of my own money on that.
I say that because most potassium salts are highly soluble (then there are a few that are completely insoluble), you could engineer something that is slow release for it but off the top of my head I can't think of a good one.
Some common forms of nitrogent are ammonium nitrate and urea, both highly soluble.
"super phosphate" I have often found is moderately soluble in water and takes a while to disolve.

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What the most soluble component is depends entirely on its formula.
You could make things that have low or high solubility for all three components.  Some companies might want to make something have poor solubility so that it is sustained release rather than all at once.

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Say, is there going to be some Ridley Scott movie about this fruit?

People land on a planet and find that a giant intelligent kumquat may have seeded life on different planets?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Diospyros decandra
« on: November 21, 2012, 06:29:13 AM »
Dan - the fruits are quite the opposite, I don't think anyone will find its fragrance offensive. If anything it'd make a crowded bus/train/car smell much more pleasant. The writer from dokmaidogma didn't quite capture that in writing.

They described it as smelling good (thus also tasting good).  I just meant that the only reason to talk to a fruit would be to look crazy and thus get a seat to yourself on public transit...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Diospyros decandra
« on: November 20, 2012, 01:10:18 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diospyros_decandra

'Its fruits are yellow-colored and are known as "Gold Apple". They have a strong fragrant smell and have medicinal value.'

Looks like someone needs to update wikipedia....

http://dokmaidogma.wordpress.com/2011/09/30/one-of-the-ancients/

'It is so good I once carried a fruit around in my pocket, and now and then I would pick it up and smell it, and each time praise it. The flavour is like the fragrance.'

That sounds pretty impressive (well- "the flavor is the fragrance").  I'm not sure I get why one takes a fruit out of ones pocket and praises it, unless you're trying to make an empty seat on public transportation.

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I was wondering if anyone has ever tried grafting Black Sapote (Diospyros digyna) onto American Persimmon (D.virginiana) rootstock?

You want to do this to keep it smaller, or be more tollerant of soild conditions?  I don't think it will help much with cold tollerance.

Seems like an interesting experiment though.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cinnamon apple Pouteria hypoglauca
« on: November 20, 2012, 10:59:13 AM »
I'm becoming interested in it already just by reading the name "Cinnamon Apple". I like cinnamon apple.  :)

I think the person who gave it that common name was seriously deranged... possibly high on nutmeg.

The few times I've had it I didn't taste cinnamon or apple notes....

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cinnamon apple Pouteria hypoglauca
« on: November 20, 2012, 09:25:10 AM »
I really love it.  I think the fruits taste like Muntinga calabra (sp?) but they are naturally quite huge compaired to that berry.

I think it is very worthwhile (crushes canistel as far as I'm concerned) but I understand some have a dim opionon of it.  This could be either because different people like different things or the quality of it is variable....

I never got why it isn't more commonly grown.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: sete capotes flowering
« on: November 20, 2012, 06:49:08 AM »
Can someone describe the flavor? (or better yet send me a fruit :) )

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PH meter question
« on: November 19, 2012, 06:50:38 PM »
I use PH strips,   I get a soil sample, put in a small baby food glass jar, let it soak until settled, then use the ph strip.

do not bother with those cheap ph meters you stick in the ground, they are very inaccurate. and even if they work right when you first get them, they lose accuracy as rods get scratched and corroded, plus you cannot calibrate them ( no adjustment screw ) which requires calibration solution to do.

I've always heard that the paper is actually a lot less accurate than the meters.  The advantages the paper has are: cheap, and doesn't drift.  The meters are more accurate, less likely to be fooled by competing ions (but they must be maintained / calibrated...).  pH testing soil is a lot more difficult than pH testing water (because of all the competing ions and various other issues).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Photo Contest
« on: November 19, 2012, 02:52:04 PM »
hahaha!

Now I found the picture I was looking for to enter!  It's a baby pic of my first guanabana fruit.
It was lost in my computer in a random folder!

Oh, well.  At least I can still choose it as my wall paper when guanabanas are in season near me again.  ;D
 
DO NOT VOTE FOR THIS PHOTO, IT'S INELIGIBLE TO WIN! YOU WOULDN'T VOTE FOR IT ANYWAY  ;D



You're already ready for the next photo contest... nice shot BTW

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Strange rules of nature being broken
« on: November 19, 2012, 12:08:43 PM »
Yea, Figs are known to grow in most random places.

Have tropical crevase, will grow ficus....
A lot of ruins in tropical Asia tend to get overrun by ficus (Angor Wat, Borobudur, ... ), even buildings less than 100 years old will have ficus growing on them if they aren't properly maintained.

The ficus do look quite odd nestling into their soil-less perches.

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This rugged little tree has performed phenomenally for me.

Its about 12 yrs old, and was given to me by a good friend in FL.

I found out that this is a special hybrid, but it has seeds? and apparently my tree came true from seed?  Maybe I'm mistaken?  But I've tasted fruits from a tree labeled as Procimequat, and mine are the same, and the person who gave me the tree, planted the seed (so it's not grafted or a cutting).

The tree seems resistant to greening, and bugs!  Maybe because it's a whacky hybrid, or because it's to short to be noticed!

The fruits can be eaten skin and all, and they taste like.........hmmmm......

celery, lemon, and orange.

I've really grown to like them, but I haven't found too many kumquats that I will eat skin and all.  These fruits are of a different nature, and would probably be good as a garnish, or candied, or cooked somehow. 

The trees flower and fruit for a good portion of the year. 

Anyone else growing this one?

here is a fabulous link I found about this plant...makes me happy to have one.

http://www.citrusvariety.ucr.edu/citrus/procimequat.html

and here are a few pics of my little old tree, in 3 gal pot.







Procimequat, the genetic remix?  Is the genome spoonerized?

Surprised you don't like kumquats out of hand, I always enjoy them (well the common ones).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Photo Contest
« on: November 18, 2012, 12:31:56 PM »
I've come to realize with electronic voting, anything is possible.
 ;D

but I would vote for Tomas.

 :( yeah, after I cropped my photo and posted it I thought "unlikely that will beat what Thomas posted".  I should have dug up those old CATIE cacao pics.... one of them might have been a bit more compeditive :(

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Photo Contest
« on: November 18, 2012, 11:53:19 AM »
Some Syzygizium outside Buttatingit



your picture is beautiful, to the max.

but I have trouble believing this is a true syzigium.


Thanks...  my stomach was angrily growling since there were no fully developed fruits on it!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Photo Contest
« on: November 17, 2012, 10:44:08 PM »
Some Syzygizium outside Buttatingit


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: poisonous fruits
« on: November 15, 2012, 09:10:02 PM »
An inexpensive handheld tester that claims to test nitrate levels is probably not terribly accurate.  Its better than nothing but I imagine it would have lots of false positives (readings higher than actual) as well as negatives.  It probably uses an Ion Selective Electrode (ISE) if you are lucky.  Such sensors are better than a lot of other quick/cheap alternatives but they can be fooled and their results can drift over time.  Also just sticking it into a fruit or vegetable seems like poor sample preparation.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia candolleana
« on: November 15, 2012, 08:04:29 AM »
I can do it, just like Zill...but it may take a while to perfect.

I will keep you posted.

I look forward to "ASaffron's high performance plants"! :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: poisonous fruits
« on: November 14, 2012, 10:09:19 PM »
Okay i should not write poisonous but i mean "safe" fruit.

The reason why i want to test it myself is that nobody can be trusted in this. If you were the guy who has to check meat-farms in Holland for used hormones then you better wear a bulletproof vest that's how the meat-business works there.

In Thailand there is no inspection as far as we know and if there is then they might be corrupt or just sleeping during worktime. I would not trust on that and that is also for chinese fruits.

I heard about some fluid that you can soak your bought vegy's in and it will become very slimy when it takes the chemicals out of the vegy's. Maybe we can use something like that?

We always peel our fruits but it would be great if we can be sure that our fruit is healthy by doing a small test. Tests are also not 100% trustfull (see Lance Armstrong) but at least we can get some info then.

Anyway thanks for the reply's.

Well you can do your own tests but currently to do so you need a lot of expensive lab equipment, proper training, and good procedures.

Hopefully someday "lab-on-a-chip" will realize its full potential and people will be able to cheaply buy detectors.  Even when this does finally happen (probably 10-20 years from now) sample preparation might be somewhat of an issue, and you'll only be testing for the substances that chip "knows" about.

In the meantime your best bet would be making some kind of "consumers union", collecting small fees from the members and pooling that money to do lab tests.  You could even send the samples to some lab in Japan if you are worried about the growers/distributors bribing or intimidating the lab staff in Thailand.

You also mentioned a substance for removing contaminants from fruits and vegetables.  I see things sold in this country for such a purpose and am highly skeptical about them.  The one you describe sounds even more suspicious to me.  I suspect it is no better than water at removing harmful substances and imagine that the change in viscosity (going from standard fluid to slimy) is just a gimmick to make you think it is doing something useful.

Your best bet for chemical decontamination is washing in water and then peeling.  Numerous things aren't easily dissolved by water BUT you don't want to wash things you eat with other solvents (because then you'd probably end up eating some solvent residues)

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Haha! That's my iguana-catching champion wiener dog 'Pickle', the only reason anything in my yard has any leaves. My wife is holding him for the picture, and because we have to take the lizards away from him before he rips them up, eats them, and pukes. It's not a pretty process...

So at least I'm not completely blind.

My grrrls (I have four cats; the first two are in my icon) enjoy catching the crickets and other bugs that come in (I don't let them outside because I don't want them hit by a car, or picking up some disease outside).  As crickets have spurs on their legs sometimes eating a cricket is followed by vomiting (though the one that really likes to go after crickets seems to be learning how to eat them).

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If a flight is transiting the USA and you are not leaving the airport, do you need to have USDA permits for your plants?

I can't see why you'd need a permit for transiting.
If you leave the airport you would need a permit...



This is for LAX: All passengers including transfers (to Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, wherever) must retrieve their luggage before reloading the luggage for the transfer flight. I came back to LA from a recent trip and this was the announcement. Apparently some foreign countries, maybe Philippines, told passengers that their luggage would be automatically transferred. I don't remember whether they had to go through the full customs and agricultural inspections.

Having to pickup and recheck luggage is a big nuisance but it happens occasionally in various airports.  If you have to go through full inspections you would know about it because you have to fill out forms, make statements,.... which is more involved than picking up and rechecking.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A garden that feeds you
« on: November 14, 2012, 05:42:26 PM »
Here's an unusual starch source:

Ensete ventricosum

This is a very tough banana relative which has the opposite edibility pattern as banana & plantain.
Basically the fruits are never eaten but the rest of the plant is eaten.

The tubers are rich in starch, the stems leaves can be crushed to release a liquid with starch in it for porridge (the left over fiber can be used in rope...), the seeds are edible.

This plant is TOUGH, it can take droughts and is more cold resistant than a banana.  I have one that I overwinter in my garage every year.

In the tropics it produces good yields of starches.

There are varieties that are decorative too with a red edge around the leaves (mine is that way).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: poisonous fruits
« on: November 14, 2012, 05:03:29 PM »
I cringe when I have seen the speculative and over application of pesticides in Thailand.At least here it is regulated and monitored . You can't test for it yourself.Poisonous does imply toxic fruit and there are a few native ones around here that are toxic.

I think some Thai growers are actually very careful and methodical.  I saw groves of wax jambu where they bagged the fruit (a labor intensive way of making sure they don't become grub mush).  I'd worry more about the stuff imported from China where food safety is pretty poor (melamine in formula for babies, oil skimmed from the sewer sold as cooking oil,...).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: poisonous fruits
« on: November 14, 2012, 10:21:43 AM »
I'd use the word "safe".
Poisonous implies that eating a relatively small quantity of the fruit will kill you.  Also it impiles that the fruit itself is poisonous (like improperly handled Ackee, or Nux Vomica, or....)

There is NO easy way to screen all pesticide / herbicide residues and/or adulterants.  Accurate testing can only be done in a lab, tests are expensive and typically quite narrow (for instance, if you do a test for Arsenic you won't get any idea if there are DDT residues...).  I would try to find a source of info (say a consumer group that tests foods).

There is a movement to make analytics cheaper, faster, more portable called "lab on a chip".  Again the chip would only be able to do certian tests and wouldn't tell you about all possible bad substances.

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