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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mystery fruit
« on: September 11, 2012, 05:17:19 PM »
When I was in Indonesia I got to see some fruits I was unfamiliar with.

One of these is a small purple fruit (say 5mm across) with a dark purple (nearly black) shiny hard skin.  Fruits were on branched clusters with many tiny teardrop seeds inside.  The pulp was also intensely purple too.

At the time I tried it I didn't like it because it had a "vegetable" taste rather than a "fruit" taste but had I been expecting it I might not have minded.

Any ideas... also I might have seeds to share.  I say might because they've been soaking in water for ~2 days as I wasn't feeling well.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mini-mangoes in Vietnam
« on: September 11, 2012, 04:28:31 PM »
Like Richard and Simon, I too have eaten these for many years here in San Diego. I find nothing special except for its size and marked up price. To me, they seem more like "manila" runts. They taste the same, peel the same, and even age the same, meaning that gelatinous texture and the wrinkle skin. Never tasted maprang but I don't think these are it.

Just like Mike T says Maprang / Gandaria has a distinctly purple seed.  When you open the pit large amounts of the seed are lavender.  I have seen some mango seeds that are slightly purple, but maprang is FAR more purple than any of them.  I don't remember the texture that well (I think they were not terribly fibrous but I last ate it in 2005) they are fussier than the standard mango.

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Dragonfruit is probably the prettiest fruit out there, but it kind of lacks flavor....

So I'd recommend also having (to go along with a very pretty H. undatus):
-Selenicereus megalanthus (if you insist on having "a dragonfruit" since it also has that common name applied to it, as it is called "yellow dragonfruit), it has a lot more flavor than the red or white (both H. undatus)
-various Cereus species
-various Epiphyllum species / varieties (these have VERY showy flowers and the fruits are tastier than H. undatus (not as wild looking though)
-various Opuntia

The Epiphyllum like H. undatus will require supports (or hanging pots, or...) as it is a floppy character.  The others I think are all self supporting.

Good luck

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mini-mangoes in Vietnam
« on: September 10, 2012, 08:08:34 PM »
At a mango expo, an agronomist told us that on the Island, their are varieties, the size of a human head ( Which I have seen )

A mango the size of a human head.... that's enough to turn me into a pulp eating zombie.

I saw some huge ones in Taiwan last time I was there.  I know bigger isn't always better (flavor is the most important thing), but a big mango always sets my heart racing.....

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Reason pulasans didn't take off in Malaysia is because very little cultivar selection work and research was done on them. In indonesia they have been marketed commercially for at least 5 years.

They may be up and comming in Indonesia but it is still a lot easier to get pulasan in Malaysia than Indonesia.  I didn't see a single pulasan being sold at any of the markets we went to in Sumatra, central to west Java, or Bali (but there were lots of rambutan).  In fact, when I asked people about fruits in Indonesia nobody knew what I was talking about when I mentioned pulasan.

I can't say I've had the better pulasans (or for that matter rambutans) since I just get what's in the markets but even if pulasans are no better tasting than rambutans I still vastly prefer them because they are easy to peel (just like bananas are easy to peel), HUGE, and tend to be freestone without bits of seed skin flaking off.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mail order fruit recomendations
« on: September 10, 2012, 07:46:54 PM »
I read your post but didn't check the place out at first because I thought they did just mamey and avacado.  I looked at them and see they sell abiu and other things too (the miracle fruit is a bit insanely priced but the abiu seems reasonable).

Thanks for reminding me of it since they seem to have a nice assortment.

I never get why everyone is selling dragonfruit, it seems to have less flavor than any other member of the cactus family...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Burma, December, Fruit
« on: September 09, 2012, 07:50:13 PM »
A few asian garcinias are winter bearers so there is a chance of them in the south.Carambola rather than starapple I should have said.Artocarpus won't be common at that time of the year just a few stray jacks probably in the south.Produce flowed continuously across the border and there would be strong similarities with thai village varieties near the length of the border.

Great!  Do you know what Garcinias I should be looking for?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Burma, December, Fruit
« on: September 09, 2012, 07:27:20 PM »
You will always find odd things in the markets.Sweet tamarind,starfruit and the odd chempadak may not be what you're looking for.There could be some very nice melons and mangoes from everbearing types in the sam ru du style.

I'll be looking in the markets.  My wife and I both enjoy looking at the local produce markets. Even if I find "nothing" (and by that I mean nothing new) I find it enjoyable.

What you listed isn't what I'm looking for.  Starfruit (do you mean caimito or carambola), mango... I'll gladly eat them but I'm looking for something that I haven't seen before.  The advantage of this Burma trip is it isn't a package tour, so we should be able to stop at any place that looks interesting.

I'd think Burma would have some odd Artocarpus species (not jackfruit, breadfruit, or chempedak), I know it has several types of Garcinia (sadly not in season in Dec)....  One big problem is Dec is not a big time for fruits so I don't really know what to look for.  An advantage is that since Burma is poor, relatively undeveloped, and until recently politically isolated from most of the world... they hopefully will have more people growing "odd" traditional stuff.  Unlike places like Indonesia where commodity crops dominate the agricultural scene.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mini-mangoes in Vietnam
« on: September 09, 2012, 02:59:43 PM »
They are pretty tasty, they really are like a mango with plum flavor added.

When they are in season it is easy to get fruits of them in Thailand.
Also, if you know anyone in Toronto, they get imported there too.

I had heard that "unlike a regular mango the skin is edible".... however, I can tell you, just like a mango you can eat the skin but I'd only recommend doing so if you're sorely lacking dietary fiber.

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Citrus seeds, and citrus family seeds, are officially banned into whole of USA. So you cannot get them from outside the country, but ok from within inside USA.

I don't think this is entirely true.  I believe the states that commercially grow citrus (CA, FL, TX) ban unscreened citrus material coming from other states (including seeds).

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I went to Western Beef today and they didn't have one Rambutan in the whole store.
I asked the guy restocking the onions if they had any Rambutan left..... his response was "You're looking for Okra?"
No Rambutan! He says "maybe tomorrow".  I think he had no idea what I was asking asking him!!! I will call the store tomorrow and ask someone that has a clue! Moving right along......

Okra?!? Yeah sounds very similar to "rambutan".

I get these kind of odd responses all the time, one time I called up a store asking if they had "rambutan" and the lady on the other end said "You want an orangutan?" and laughed.  I think she'd recently escaped from Appalachia.

My favorite store carries more exotic stuff than most supermarkets, but the produce people don't speak English well.  The managers all speak Korean, and the other workers speak Spanish.  So whatever I ask for they don't have it, but they might get it tomorrow.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mail order fruit recomendations
« on: September 09, 2012, 02:22:34 PM »
For those of us who don't live in the tropics, subtropics, or areas where interesting fruits are imported....  what recommendations are there for mail order fruit?

I've had good results with www.cherimoya.com but I'd like a wider palate of things to order.  Looking for things like feijoa, monstera,...  Whole Foods was (for a time) selling feijoa, monstera, white sapote,... at prices below standard mail order, but sadly they dropped that line (I think they should have promoted it with free samples, they could have garnered a lot of new customers that way) and so I don't even check them out anymore.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia candolleana
« on: September 09, 2012, 12:53:19 PM »
Looks real yummy!

I love the Eugenias!
How does this compare to other Eugenias in terms of growing?

Anyone with seeds to share?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Burma, December, Fruit
« on: September 09, 2012, 12:44:50 PM »
Burma in December won't have rambutan,durian ,few durians,no longkong and only stray jackfruit and mangoes.There will be guavas,pineapples,mandarins,pomelo,sapodillas,sugar apples and a big range of temperate fruits.It is displaced further north than Thailand.The northern and upland areas are rather temperate.
There will be lots of herbs and vegies.I would be mailing seeds back to someone with a seed import permit and the hassles will be minimized.

Hmmm.... not what I'm looking for; anything "odd", or not commonly sold?
Sadly the Garcinias seem to be summer fruits, I imagine if they have rattan fruits they are probably summer ones too.
Any odd Artocarpus available there?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Burma, December, Fruit
« on: September 09, 2012, 12:29:31 PM »
You got busted?  What happened?

They have dogs at Atlanta (at least when I went).  We were at the baggage claim area and wondering why we were missing one piece of luggage.  Turned out there was an agent with a dog by two pieces of luggage (one of ours and one of somebody else's).  The dog flagged the suitcase that had (among other things) a few kilos of durian seeds.  You don't need a bloodhound to find durian seeds.  The dog missed items in another suitcase.  They were only examining checked baggage, so if we'd kept the seeds in the carry on (which I wanted to do) I'd have kept them all.  We got sent to have all the bags (carry on and checked) rescanned by x-ray.  Oddly they didn't find the other stuff then either.  I was flustered so I surrendered some stuff in my backpack, later realizing that I could have walked out with it.  Fortunately, most of the more odd stuff was elsewhere and I didn't know about it.

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There is something not quite right in discussions about rambutan,pulasan and lychees.Rambutans are very good and sweet but if picked too early,stored too long after picking or summer temps are not high enough the taste is not premium.They certainly are way ahead of lychess like bosworth and it is a matter of personal preference between rambutans and lychees of good types.Rambutans suffer from seed coats clinging to flesh and this character varies between types.Many pulasan types are very nice but they never produce fruit in the same volumes as rambutan and only a couple of types are larger than bigger rambutan types.I prefer good rambutans to pulasans but know many people favor pulasans.The shy bearing nature and duller color make them less attractive commercially.

For me production isn't an "issue" because I don't get any production... I'm just a consumer of all these fruits.  I wish I got production but being in the DC area with no greenhouse I'm lucky if I keep Nephelium alive through the winter.

I've never encountered commercial rambutan anywhere near as large as the pulasan I had in Malaysia.  They were so big I could not get my thumb and forefinger around them.  I've never had that "problem" with rambutan.  I didn't do a side by side flavor comparison, but from my memory the flavor was the same between them, so the easy peel and giant size made pulasan a clear winner (also it had a nice cling free nature, a lot of cling free rambutan have the test break away in my mouth which isn't so pleasant)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Golden Sugar Apple
« on: September 08, 2012, 10:26:59 PM »
I've had decent tasting pond apples.  Definitely not my top annonacea (in fact I'd put them at the bottom), but they were tasty to me.  I've eaten several at different locations in Florida.

Could be just like cilantro.  A large number of people find that cilantro tastes horrible (soapy, bitter, astringent).  Maybe there is a chemical in pond apples that many people feel has an horrible taste but other people aren't bothered so much by.

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The title of this thread reminded me of a truly horrible bastardization of fruit I saw in Malaysia.  It was called "Crystal apple".  It was one of those big nearly tasteless green guavas with white flesh (I never know why they are popular in Asia) carved on a lathe or something to look more like an apple and then soaked in green syrup.  Truly a perverted idea if ever I saw one.

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I agree that lytchee have a better flavor than rambutan.  Lytchee have some acid, rambutan don't.

The big advantage that rambutan have over lytchee is much better & longer shelf life (maybe because of more fiber less liquid... who knows).  The lytchee that shows up in supermarkets in my area is usually pretty sorry.  The rambutan is almost the same as getting it at the source.

What I don't get is why pulasan doesn't supplant rambutan.  The pulasan I've had has the same flavor as rambutan but it is much easier to peel (you just twist the peel, the name is Malay for "twist" in fact) and much bigger.  Oddly pulasan seems to be in some fruit ghetto.  You can't get it in Bangkok, only in southern Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore.  I'm sure it is also native to Indonesia but when I talked to one guy there he insisted it would only be in Irian jaya (I think he thought I was talking about something odd like "Fijian longan")

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Burma, December, Fruit
« on: September 08, 2012, 10:01:47 PM »
I used to have a standard permit (which expired) but it doesn't do well for fruits.

The stipulation is 50 kinds, 50 seeds each, max weight for every 50 seeds is something pathetic like 250 grams.  So if you're getting a theobroma, durio, garcinia, artocarpus,... there is no way you can get 50 seeds.

The "bulk" permit doesn't have a weight limit or that's my understanding.  I want to be able to collect and not worry about weight (as long as the total weight of seeds doesn't rip my arm off).

A "How to" on the seed permits would be great.  I don't even remember exactly what I did for the first permit.  As I recall it isn't truly difficult but it is byzantine, tedious, and non-intuitive.

As I got busted coming into Atlanta this summer I have a feeling I'll be on a list and customs will send me to special bag screening when I come back.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Burma, December, Fruit
« on: September 08, 2012, 09:25:54 PM »
Any tips for odd fruits in Burma in December?

Granted December is the wrong time of year but I doubt I could take a Burmese summer.
 
While I love the standard fruits like mangosteen, durian, longkong, rambutan... I put a premium on finding the odd offbeat relatives (nothing like finding a new species and eating it).

While I don't always find great fruits this way, I really enjoy trying something new.

Any tips for gardens, growers, markets, whatever...

Also has anyone gotten a USDA bulk seed permit?  Is it hard to do?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropical Seeds
« on: September 08, 2012, 08:25:09 PM »
Tabbydan...you have the method. Peatmoss or Sphagnum moss in a ziplock do best for me also.

Well I'm glad someone feels so :)

Sprouting the seeds is always the easy part for me.  Bugs, weather, not wanting to go into a room crammed with plants, low humidity in the house during winter... those are the things that bring heartbreak later.

I also like to "dry pack" seeds to inhibit germination (if I'm on a trip and in no position to plant for a while).  I clean the seeds as well as I can, then pat them dry and put in a ziplock.  That retards germination which can help when you're out on a trip.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Davidson's Plum
« on: September 08, 2012, 01:09:21 PM »
I'm almost in the same boat as you fruithunter, except mine doesn't even flower.  It looks nice and green but no flowers, I guess I should hit it with K when I put it out in the late spring.  During the winter it is crowded with other plants and doesn't get watered as frequently.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: FGM Borneo Red Jakfruit
« on: September 08, 2012, 01:02:51 PM »
Looks like a "trick Artocarpus" to me.  "Ha ha it's not chempedak, it's jackfruit!".

How about a jackfruit with white segments, so you can sell it as marang?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropical Seeds
« on: September 08, 2012, 01:00:12 PM »
I do ziplocks with moist peatmoss.  For me wet tissues lead to rot and mold.  If you don't have mold rot issues you can use tissues, but raw fibers like peatmoss and coir seem to inhibit mold and rot.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which fruits are highest theft risk?
« on: September 07, 2012, 02:31:24 PM »
If you can grow ariona (might be too hot in your area) you'll have lots of fun.

I had a plant and some dumb neighbor kids who I don't like would take one each season and get a nasty surprise (they need to be cooked to be palatable, otherwise they are like an unripe persimon)

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