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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is your favorite tropical cherry?
« on: January 06, 2018, 02:37:53 PM »
Grumichama for taste. Full sun here. Grumis I've had are bigger than Barbados tho. They just don't produce as much and short season as mentioned above

Ive must have had all bad grumis. I dont think ive ever seen one bigger than a any Barbados cherry.

Fruitscapes has a good one they propagate and sell. Possibly water/fert/full sun helps grumi fruit size? Or maybe I've just had bad Barbados!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is your favorite tropical cherry?
« on: January 05, 2018, 11:53:01 PM »
Dark surinam is yummmmy

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Did a walk through the property today. My mango trees are young and new planted from 3gal to 25gal. Some burn was evident. Julie, East Indian, Ice Cream has some bad burn but still green stems.  ZIC's 5inch inflorence are droopy so potential crop loss there. 1gal Coconuts took a hit. Crispy brown but the cores are still green so we'll see. The bananas will survive. Jabo looked normal. Grumichama, Jamacian Cherry, Pitomba.....normal. The next few days will reveal the true damage. Thinking about tall hedges and multiple burn bins.

Bamboo perimeter can help

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Hi all
I need garcinia humilis (achachairu) seeds..anybody here pls reply :)

In season right now in Bolivia (southern hemisphere) but usually seeds sent from northern hemisphere so you're looking at around August

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: anti desiccant
« on: January 05, 2018, 02:15:58 PM »
Still humidity in air, just little to no rain. We have a wet season and a dry season.

Shot used thermx 70 to try and limit certain sensitive plant leaves from being burned by cold dry winds from this front.

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Frost damage is not immediately seen, most severe symptoms start showing up after days and sometimes weeks, that has been my observation from last two Frost's in southern California few years ago.

True ^ Damage not always evident right away. Also some species are fine with a quick cold snap one morning, some aren't, and some are more affected when it's multiple nights/mornings in a row like this front.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Making changes after this freeze
« on: January 04, 2018, 09:00:12 PM »
4pm walk around looked bad. Things really took a beating last night. The trees I have protected under cover and heat lamp are fine but i will either protect them next two nights and give them away or pull the plug, literally and leave them to nature's wrath. Going to have a complete change in direction after this. Not sure what that is yet but I have a lot of fertile ground to work with from all the work I put in here.


http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=22838.msg274879#msg274879

^ For those interested to see what c24mccain is talking about!

C24, I know it's early but what direction do you think you'll go? Maybe more of the tropic snow/FL Prince peaches? Lakeland can get whacked pretty hard with these fronts.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is your favorite tropical cherry?
« on: January 04, 2018, 05:51:35 PM »
Grumichama for taste. Full sun here. Grumis I've had are bigger than Barbados tho. They just don't produce as much and short season as mentioned above

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Growing areas of Hawaii never see frost/freezes.

Oscar, what is the highest avg temp month you see at your grove? Talking to some palm growers (we were talking about coconuts but also some other heat loving ornamental palm species) recently in Puna area who complain of temps that aren't quite high enough to get good nut production or great growth rates. I think they're at about 1500ft and consistent high 70s and low of 60 the entire year!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Chilly Florida AM
« on: January 04, 2018, 02:26:18 PM »
I had 32 for almost an hour and a half off and on in Golden Gate Estates last night, 36 was predicted. Even using the Brunt equation I only expected 35.2. For the poster worried about mango flowers at 38; I had 35.5 for an hour last month when I had rosigold flowers and now they are pea sized fruit. A lot depends on the length of time of the freeze.

Yikes Mark! Hang in there... another day or two

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Chilly Florida AM
« on: January 04, 2018, 01:10:40 PM »
38F in the early morning hours here.
No blooms yet so I guess thats good

Do you have your own thermometer or you just looked at your iphone? I'm in Weston and the lowest I saw in my own thermometer this morning was 42°F at around 7:00AM. So, the 39°F that the Weather Channel was predicting was off by 3°F or perhaps the canal next to my house helped a little bit. By 8:00AM the thermometer was at 45°F and by 9:00AM it was at 47°F.

Actually, Coral Springs can be a degree or two cooler than Weston - interesting  ???

Unless you spent a pretty penny, most thermometers have a +/- error range of like 5 degrees. I'd trust (most) weather device stations much more. Go on wunderground and locate all the devices nearest your home and check those against your thermometer.

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I am a couple miles from the coast and am 19ft above sea level.  The water level is usually 10”-2ft. depending on the time of year.  I just checked the temps. outside and it is 42f.  Not the 33f they predicted, though weather.com says its 35f.  Not sure where there thermometer is but it’s not near me.

All reporting weather station devices near your farm property are reporting 33-37. Sounds like "they" were right at least in some areas. You're in no danger of a freeze. There are quite a few weather station devices in the area.

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Great to know thanks

We get typhoons just the same as you guys get hurricanes, so for us at least tropical storm s are so worrying I guess.  Here we have poss but generally fare quite well.

 I wonder though about the salt flooding.  This is something I haven't yet experienced.  We get salt spray and such for sure in storms, but you guys actually have floods of ocean water?  I'm assuming the higher locations then might he more prone to colder temps.

I was personally asking about continental so could drive around the continent.  Island life like PR, Hawaii and here in Taiwan you are a bit stuck sometimes...
Most of southern Florida is extremely flat and close to sea level... no high ground with colder temperatures, and the ground water is just a few inches or couple of feet below soil level. This is what makes flooding and storm surge so problematic there. If you ever go there you will see what i mean.

Not true. I'd have to dig a good 11ft. I'll give you a shovel if you'd like to visit!

I know you've never experienced a major hurricane here so I don't expect you to fully understand them or how storm surge works either. Salt water storm surge doesn't travel miles inland to groves and isn't even a threat with every storm. Mangroves and barrier islands along the southwest coast also act as a storm surge barrier to some areas. In 2004 the eye of Hurricane Charley made landfall and crossed right over Bokeelia - storm surge was non existent - 150mph winds did the damage.

There aren't groves of fruit trees along the beaches here either. The keys are the most susceptible area to storm surge because of how small and exposed they are to the waters that can be built up and pushed by hurricanes but there is little to no agriculture produced in the keys.

Wind is the primary cause of hurricane damage to groves in FL.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Winter weather Florida..so far so good
« on: January 02, 2018, 05:47:25 PM »
I don't care what the weather psychics are saying,  there isn't a chance that the temp in central Broward County breaks below 40.  If you believe that I have a bridge for sale. . .

Why? It's definitely not unheard of....

This is a very strong front ..if the skies clear then for sure in inland broward you could see temps dip below 40 for an hour or two...

Definitely possible with this front. Redland, FL (Homestead area) forecast to dip into the 30s... Pembroke Pines and inland Broward a degree or two higher Friday AM. Interested to see what the weather station devices end up actually reporting after all is said and done.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Winter weather Florida..so far so good
« on: January 02, 2018, 05:44:13 PM »
Loving this cold front. It’s awesome.

Ask and ye shall receive!!

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Yeah hurricanes too. Especially for the keys, salt water storm surge can cover those islands. Wilma storm surge had salt water flooding the entire island of Key West. Irma storm surge this last season flooded some of the middle keys. Alot of plants don't appreciate being flooded with salt water.

Also, while the FL keys and especially lower keys stay warmer than rest of Florida, they do not get the amount of rainfall south FL gets.

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Even in small area of Bokeelia, I've recently seen temperature differences of 6 degrees less than 2 miles apart assuming the weather devices were accurate. Seemed closer to the water the better as the coldest temps were recorded along Stringfellow Rd which runs up and down the middle of the island. You could be frost/damage free in one area and somebody else a mile or two away might not be as lucky. Pineislander, I wonder where the historic weather data device was/is located.

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Define "never".  A 50% chance in a given winner?  A 1% chance?  A 0,01% chance?  A 0,0000000001% chance?

According to this map, the highest zone in the continental US (if you'd call them "continental") is Catalina and San Clemente islands, just off the coast of LA.  Zone 11a.  After that comes 10b: Coastal Los Angeles, the area just north of Yuma, and - although it's not really clear - maybe the Florida Keys (again, though, are coastal islands "continental"?  Your call!  :)  )


Fake News!

According to the same exact map [just use the interactive one: http://planthardiness.ars.usda.gov/phzmweb/interactivemap.aspx]
The highest Zone is none of those islands mentioned, the highest Zone in the continental U.S. is Key West (Zone 11b)
Miami Beach is in Zone 11a and most of Miami Dade county and part of Broward and Palm Beach county are in Zone 10b. It's also worth to mention that a lot of fruit and tropical trees need high humidity (A.K.A. Florida's climate)

The SE tip of Florida (excluding Miami Beach & the Keys) have seen freezing temps, but it's sooo sooo sooo rare and so fast that many tropicals have recovered from the damages.

If you're looking for a safe haven to plant tropical trees in the continental U.S., that has never seen a freeze, then Key West is the indisputable winner.

FYI: The lowest recorded temperature in Key West is 41 degrees on Jan. 13, 1981.


Yep, "zones" are a funny thing. Can't just look at a zone and say this or that species will be fine. Zones do not factor in the climate. Not all 9a/9b/10a/10b etc have same climates/growing conditions/microclimate. There are so many important factors when planting a species other than what your "zone" is.

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Issue with the lower keys is salt and soil.

The good thing about coastal south west/east Florida is low temps are quick and dont hang around for hours/days/weeks on end. Usually drop to a low temp early in the AM for an hour and then warms back up. Being on a coastal island (Bokeelia, Captiva mentioned above etc) helps as you are surrounded by warm waters. Miami/Homestead has gotten hit harder in the past by cold fronts compared to these islands despite Miami/Homestead being even further south.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wind-resistant shade house design
« on: December 25, 2017, 05:50:14 PM »
Steel or aluminum frame with shade cloth that can be removed and with poly panels? You could design it to disassemble the whole thing as well and just use PVC with wingnuts. If you want to build a hurricane and rodent/pest resistant fortress and never disassemble then probabaly concrete/brick would be involved. Excelsa gardens is constructing a nice one right now, you may want to contact them.

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Merry Christmas Raul! Thanks to you and Luc for helping make my PV trip a good one as well

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Winter Annona growth in Florida
« on: December 20, 2017, 08:12:11 PM »
One of my Atemoyas is loaded now and the other has about 5 or 6 fruit that set after the hurricane. The tree with all the fruit I didn't do any pre hurricane prep because it is sheltered and espaliered on a trellis. That one looks a little beat but still has quite a few ugly leaves hanging on. The other one was pruned to nubs before the hurricane hit and now it is dark green and looks like it is the middle of summer.

I was mostly thinking of getting a head start on rootstocks and whatnot. Get some seed trays going in doors with a humidity dome and step up some of the other small annonas. The majority is macroprophyllata, squamosa, reticulata, atemoya, mucosa, a few muricata and some montana for rootstock.

Ahh I was thinking more along the lines of in ground established trees. I don't see why not re: getting some started. I also have an atemoya in ground that got shredded by the Cane, it's coming back right now and flowering and I'm just letting it do it's thing. Some trees may be behaving differently with the hurricane/pre hurricane pruning

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Winter Annona growth in Florida
« on: December 20, 2017, 04:32:44 PM »
Was just talking with Steve@ fruitscapes about this today. They do better with a sort of dormant season. Better off letting them do their normal thing and letting them go thru their normal cycle rather than messing with it. Which Annona sp?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Non GMO Project
« on: December 19, 2017, 07:37:44 PM »
Also, GMO's are already prohibited in USDA Organic products. So, if your product says USDA Organic, the consumer can safely assume your product does not contain GMOs.

"The use of genetic engineering, or genetically modified organisms (GMOs), is prohibited in organic products. This means an organic farmer can’t plant GMO seeds, an organic cow can’t eat GMO alfalfa or corn, and an organic soup producer can’t use any GMO ingredients.

To meet the USDA organic regulations, farmers and processors must show they aren’t using GMOs and that they are protecting their products from contact with prohibited substances from farm to table."
https://www.ams.usda.gov/publications/content/can-gmos-be-used-organic-products

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Non GMO Project
« on: December 19, 2017, 07:28:44 PM »
I've noticed it. Sometimes see a product with both USDA Organic and Non-GMO label on them

I think Non-GMO is a good label to have if your product is something, or contains an ingredient, that is often genetically modified such as: sugar beets, dairy products, corn, etc. Fruits like Annona, Garcinia, Mango, etc are not genetically modified so it would be a waste of money to add the label - consumers can already safely assume your product is not genetically modified. USDA Organic would be better label for these fruits imo.

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