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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango epidemic spreading in my yard
« on: April 05, 2018, 03:35:03 PM »
Thanks, for the suggestions.
Does it comes with an expiration date?
So I assume it can be use on other trees? I have a pear tree that has started to get some branches affected by some black disease as well. I had to cut one of the branches way down to stop the spreading to the whole tree. And had to pug one of my mangoes from what it seems the same problem in the process to save the ice cream tree I lost my LZ graft. :(

Pear and Apples are affected by fireblight that causes blackening and death of branches, even see liquid running down from top. Although they say there is no cure for it, Argifos should be sprayed be bud break stage in winter and before flowering to kill bacteria. I sprayed this year on apples and will let you know if it helped.
I could not find Argifos on amazon.....    I did find Agri-Fos available on amazon...

Here is a easy to read pdf of Agri-Fos for various trees being usually mixed per 1 gallon.

Read application methods for various crops::: 1. Spray 2. Trunk spray 3. Injection 4. Pre-plant dip 5. In furrow-spray 6. Basal Bark Spray 7. Soil drench 8. Soil Incorporation 9. Bare rooted dipping of transports 10. Tree Injection.
This is a direct pdf with no adds as of this moment....
https://www.domyown.com/msds/agri_fos_systemic_fungicide_suppl01.pdf


Ex. COCONUTS
Use AGRI-FOSÆ Systemic Fungicide for effective control of bud rot and nut fall in
coconuts.
Injection 1/3 to 1 fl. oz.
per tree
Dilute AGRI-FOSÆ Systemic
Fungicide with water to give final
injection volume of 1 fl. oz. to 2 fl.
oz. of water and AGRI-FOSÆ. Inject
into the trunk or root system.

Many other Tree Landscape Applications usually at 1/2 tsp per tsp. water :::: Drill holes 3/16 inch (5 mm) in
diameter into live sapwood (depth
dependent upon age of tree) with
downward angle into trunk uniformly
around the tree circumference, using
a slow drill. Do not inject into areas
of obvious decay, canker or
mechanical injury that appear on the
tree trunk. Calculate the amount of
product required by measuring the
trees by one of the following 3
methods, and use the highest
calculated number of injections. 1)
1 Injection per square yard of canopy;
2) 1 injection per yard of diameter of
canopy measured at the dripline; 3)
1 injection per 6 inches of trunk
circumference measured 4 feet
above soil level. Make injections
with applicators that maintain
positive pressure differential such
as ChemJetÆ, SidewinderÆ, Agmurph
GunÆ, MarleyÆ Injector, or
hydraulic applicator type equipment
that forces solution into the sapwood
of the tree.

Avocado tree injections: Root rot (Phytophthora
cinnamomi): Skeletal trees
1st year: 1/4 fl. oz.
undiluted product
per yard of canopy
diameter.
Other situations:
 1/8 fl. oz. diluted
with 1/2 fl. oz. of
water per yard of
canopy diameter

Inject trees at spring flush maturity.
Repeat treatment in February or
March. Drill holes 3/16 inch (5 mm)
in diameter and 1 inch (25 mm) to 2
inches (50 mm) deep with slight
downward angle in trunk. Place
syringes in the main trunk of the tree
and space evenly around the
circumference of the trunk. Suitable
for use with Chemject tree injectors,
Ag-murf gun, or hydralic tree
injection. Do not prune back trees
before injection process as burning
of new growth may occur. Do not
inject trees in winter months. Do not
cut the canopy of injected trees. Do
not add any material, other than
water, to AGRI-FOSÆ Systemic
Fungicide by trunk injection. Do not
inject more liquid in a lesser number
of syringes than directed.

A lot or experiments for all to possibly attempt if you have the time

Current lowest price on ABOUND fungicide 1 Gallon that I could find is ebay free ship no tax in my state $215 per gallon    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Abound-Flowable-Fungicide-1-Gallon-22-9-Azoxystrobin/122009682367?hash=item1c685801bf:g:9VgAAOSwgQ9VoAak

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help slow release fertilizer.
« on: April 01, 2018, 11:08:34 AM »
Just a FYI.... The yo yo amazon price matching has affected osmocote plus pricing...

(It may change again in a few minutes/hours/days to another lower price as most have noticed with amazon price matching rapidly one way & then the other)...

Osmocote Plus Outdoor and Indoor Smart-Release Plant Food, 8-Pound (Plant Fertilizer)  has increased from $14.86 to $19.87
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GTDGMHC/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

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Seedling Loquats...
https://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/loquat.html

"Adaption: The loquat is adapted to a subtropical to mild-temperature climate. Where the climate is too cool or excessively warm and moist, the tree is grown as an ornamental but will not bear fruit. Well established trees can tolerate a low temperature of 12° F. The killing temperature for the flower bud is about 19° F, "

"Location: Loquats are wind tolerant and grow best in full sun, but also do well in partial shade. The round headed trees can be used to shade a patio. Loquats also make attractive espaliers."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loquat
"It is occasionally planted for living fenceposts, as the tree is long-lived, not much subject to disease, and the wood is hard and durable. Good quality logs are much sought-after by furniture makers in Central America, who prize its hardness and durability"

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Loquat help
« on: March 30, 2018, 09:41:15 AM »
I have a seedling tree guven to me by a neighbor. It has been 4years in ground and still no fruit. Thinking of digging it up. Pretty 8 foot tree but unproductive. It gets regular water, is mulched and fertilized. Now sprouting new leaves.

https://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/loquat.html
Again, my guess as to why yours has not flowered = too much fertilizer (loving it) & vegatative growth.
"Fertilizing: Loquats benefit from regular, light applications of nitrogen fertilizers, but too much nitrogen will reduce flowering."

Sidney, your close to me & climate is about the same as mine so low odds of this, but will include it::: "Where the climate is too cool or excessively warm and moist, the tree is grown as an ornamental but will not bear fruit."

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Loquat help
« on: March 30, 2018, 09:06:56 AM »
I have a seedling tree guven to me by a neighbor. It has been 4years in ground and still no fruit. Thinking of digging it up. Pretty 8 foot tree but unproductive. It gets regular water, is mulched and fertilized. Now sprouting new leaves.

My seedlings have all bloomed eventually and most by the time they were that tall. I would except it to bloom next year. I'm not sure what would be the best stimulus to initiate bloom for them. I usually water the smaller jaboticaba etc. near some of them in my yard and do little to the loquats; but I'm sure they get some sharing of the nutrients. One loquat is away from any shrubs and gets no watering after reaching 8 foot as I was considering a mango tree in it's spot. It blooms fine so maybe less fertilizer if you have been fertilizing yours a lot and getting too much vegatative growth.

Maybe someone else could chime in on getting loquats esp. seedlings to fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Loquat recommendation
« on: March 30, 2018, 08:50:17 AM »
Topic::: Loquat recommendation

For those considering nice looking shrubs/trees close to the house:::

I was just thinking about some of my loquat seedlings that have grown very fast compared to my other trees/shrubs. The seedlings taste good when eaten not light yellow (tart) but slightly orange. I do not water mine except when watering jaboticaba near a few of them and they survive in S. Florida climate through the dry periods. With frequent weekly watering/rain they grow fast with the addition of light fertilizer. The jaboticaba and other cherry varieties have dropped from my favored list due to the high amount of water required to get them to fruit and keep them green.

My recommendation (other than mango trees) is to consider loquat seedlings vs. other small plantings around the house if you want a tropical green look that is also a hardy fast sunblock for morning/evening sunlight on an area around the house. These trees have nice green leaves and fragrant blossoms. They are also considered a hard wood and used in Central America for posts and wood per Wiki. 


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I have an NS1 that has grown very slowly and put out male flowers this year & 2 previous but no jackfruit produced and still small about 10ft. Slow slow slow... but not irrigated and not rich soil....

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In case someone wants to try making a wine brew, I thought I would show the progress of the 3 x 5 gallon must buckets mulberry + Sugar at 72 hour mark after adding yeast and just completed stirring. This is considered the aerobic phase when most of the alcohol is produced and the yeast are peaking in activity. I stirred it with a long wooden handle knife and it's enough solids to still stand up in the solution with the mulberries surrounding it. Hydrometer is also present in the must floating to a degree. I just place a linen cloth over the 3 buckets to help keep bacteria, other yeast, etc. from falling in the buckets. This will proceed for another about week and 1/2 and then remove most of the sediment/dead yeast/ etc. that will be left on the bottom and place in air lock (or you could put in any bottle with loose top if doing like the guy in the youtube video) bottle and rack multiple times for improved clarity and decrease chance of sediment from altering taste or drink when ever you desire including the sediment as it will not hurt most like me except for increase chance of passing gas forming yeast through the intestine. ha. Also, most of the alcohol will be made before 14 days from yeast inoculation.

https://www.ttb.gov/wine/24_75.htm
Sec. 24.75 Wine for personal or family use.

(a) General. Any adult may, without payment of tax, produce wine for personal or family use and not for sale.

(b) Quantity. The aggregate amount of wine that may be produced exempt from tax with respect to any household may not exceed:

(1) 200 gallons per calendar year for a household in which two or more adults reside, or

(2) 100 gallons per calendar year if there is only one adult residing in the household.

(c) Definition of an adult. For the purposes of this section, an adult is any individual who is 18 years of age or older. However, if the locality in which the household is located has established by law a greater minimum age at which wine may be sold to individuals, the term ``adult'' will mean an individual who has attained that age.

(d) Proprietors of bonded wine premises. Any adult, defined in Sec. 24.75(c), who operates a bonded wine premises as an individual owner or in partnership with others, may produce wine and remove it from the bonded wine premises free of tax for personal or family use, subject to the limitations in Sec. 24.75(b).

(e) Limitation. This exemption should not in any manner be construed as authorizing the production of wine in violation of applicable State or local law. Except as provided in Sec. 24.75(d), this exemption does not otherwise apply to partnerships, corporations, or associations.

(f) Removal. Wine produced under this section may be removed from the premises where made for personal or family use including use at organized affairs, exhibitions or competitions, such as home winemaker's contests, tastings or judgings, but may not under any circumstances be sold or offered for sale. The proprietor of a bonded wine premises shall pay the tax on any wine removed for personal or family use in excess of the limitations provided in this section and shall also enter all quantities removed for personal or family use on TTB F 5120.17, Report of Bonded Wine Premises Operations. (Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1331, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5042))

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Why treadmill? I do a 4 mile fast walk outside every morning.

Well, it's good to see you enjoy walking also... I hope many more on the forum walk a lot as the leg muscles are the quickest way to get an aerobic workout vs. smaller muscle groups like the arms but a combo would also be great.

Reply to your question:
1.The treadmill has some flex to it vs. concrete. (less stress on joints/ligaments/tendons)
2. Almost zero chance of turning an ankle vs. over grass or unknown concrete cracks/roots/rocks/etc.
3. Able to better ignore where I'm going and what I'm traversing
4. I'm better able to forget the present activity  8)    a. Visually and b. Audibly focus on T.V. etc. I enjoy the HGVT, Travel Channel, Animal Planet, PBS, cnbc, etc. vs. Audibly only on headphones alone. Thus time seems to pass faster imo when on the treadmill at home.
5. Turn the a/c on if needed, turn the fan on if needed vs. pot luck outside for elements heat,rain, sun, etc.
6. Decrease an hour accumulation of sun damage to skin as I already spend so much time outdoors in the sun with the fruit trees.
7. Pick up a water bottle on the treadmill to swig a drink easily vs. carrying in hand while walking outdoors.

None of the other multitude of reasons are of much concern to me like decrease chance of:::  a. drive by shooting victum,  b. other attacks on the street,   c. dog bites, d. snake bite,  or e. car hitting you while driver is having a stroke/heart attack/seizure, etc. etc. etc.




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Today, after completing my treadmill walk,  I went outside and am now enjoying a few mulberries under the mulberry tree canopy.

My wife made some mulberry juice from a few extra bags removed from the freezer. I was surprised that the freezer taste had disappeared and it was good.

I still prefer eating fresh over frozen.


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Sounds like a hoot.  I'm a winemaker and grow wine grapes, so, if I may.....

At least get your pH adjusted to 3.65 for reds, about 3.35 for white dry. 

Adjust starting brix from 22 to 25.

Best of Show with my dry 2014 merlot recently, yay.

Congratulations. Mark, your the connoisseur winemaker.  I'm the hillbilly winemaker that prefers quick burgers/fries from joints like Burger King & McDonalds vs. a trip to a restaurant.

Yep I've still got my first hydrometer from 1st batch in the 70's from my parents back yard concord grapes in another state. As a high school kid that was a lot of fun.

I do use citric acid or lemons, lalvin ec 1118 as I get 18% possible ETOH concentration etc. if available sugar & other substrates for yeast growth. Thats usually the extent of my research as it makes alcohol fine enough for this guy that just finished a glass. It is funny how little is needed and this guy on youtube is a real simplistic on wine making    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylq5GZITYCM  ...Now it's the luck of the draw if he inoculates additional wild yeast,bacteria, etc. as he does not mention the use of a sanitizer like potassium metabisulphite and of course regular cooking yeast will unlikely reach 18 percent ethyl alcohol concentrations... But, he seems quite happy drinking his home brew and I guess that's what matters..... Also he avoids airlocks by simply loosening tops.... little sediment as using grape cans already processed with solids primarily removed... But, less available substrate for yeast growth with more already removed by factory processing thus potential need for yeast nutrients or lower than expected alcohol concentrations. Another of his videos:::  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8sVCfGTTjA

I go a little fancier than the youtube guy... Just a little... We both like a sweet (dessert wine) My current starting hydrometer reading is 18 percent possible alcohol production from available sugar for my batch. I usually add more sugar near the end of secondary fermentation if I want a sweeter wine (and I usually do).

My batch testing begins as soon as a week into the fermentation process and continues throughout. The yeast can pass through the G.I. and produce a little extra gas if too much is consumed before fermentation ceases... I usually rack primary must  fermentation in 2 weeks and go anaerobic for about 3 months or more. I usually don't bother with special bottles and just put it into anything large and prefer storing in refrigerator and if not loosen top as the youtube guy does to prevent explosions  of wine... I usually finish it off within 1 year... No long term submissions for tasting... No fine aging needed  :)

I've only had one batch go bad. For me that was making 5 gallons of vinegar in college. It wasn't the brew I was wanting to party with so I poured it out as I was not into a lot of cooking back then. That occurred before I started using products like potassium metabisulphite to kill residual yeast/bacteria from prior batches & prevent current undesired inoculations.








As I mentioned, I like quick foods/sugar/& many other vices. However I counter balance those vices with a lot of exercising.... I walk 5 to 7 days a week on the treadmill etc. and average 15 - 21 miles per week. I try to do at least 3 miles per walk but occasionally available time does not permit. But that doesn't include the yard walking and maintaining my small orchard.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Promising year for a St. Pete Carrie
« on: March 25, 2018, 10:04:12 PM »
The dense foliage you mentioned is also beneficial since by June you can barely see the mangos at all.  Do you thin your canopy at all by removing some of the more significant structural branches?  If so, when? 

I'm hesitant on removing leaves/limbs etc. until fruit ripen. Removing leaves etc. early may decrease available sugar levels for the fruit and I definitely want mine sweet also. The only exception is occasional removal of a small piece for grafting to another mango tree.

Normal thinning for me is after fruit have been taken from tree and/or if needed for an unexpected hurricane. But since the foliage is so dense, I believe it is less likely for a limb to be blown off during a hurricane vs. mangos like ice cream that are lanky.

I have a lower and more rounded shape than your tree and have even let the limbs touch the ground with no apparent problem except for spraying needed as you mentioned for fungus. I have not experimented with thinning out the center of any of my Carries but may try it after this harvest to try to decrease the blackening of the limbs. The main reason I have not tried it is you hate to mess with success when they are growing and bearing mangos.

Yesterday I was cleaning out the freezer, I did eat one frozen Carrie mango that I had bagged last year. Unfortunately, I only had one as I ate the rest of those long ago.  :P

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Promising year for a St. Pete Carrie
« on: March 25, 2018, 06:00:54 PM »
I like your irun5k. It's great to hear people are exercising.
I have transformed into the "tortoise" and mine should now be "iwalk5k"...
But all is good and if we don't use it.... We will lose it.... Good job exercising...

Good looking tree & fruit.

Although carrie set fewer fruit than many mango varieties, the ones that form small fruit hold without falling off much higher percent then my other varieties. This is a wiki quote on carrie mango "The fruit are highly resistant to fungus." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrie_(mango) . I agree and get to eat a high percent of fruit that do initially set that make it to maturity, although overall production is lower for me than trees like Glen etc.

Unfortunately anthracnose (black on stems etc.) seems to be more prone on my carries stems especially since the folliage is so dense blocking sunlight to many limbs. So, I agree spraying is a good idea.

I hope you get the Carries picked fast when just starting to turn yellow or even before and put them inside as too easy for people to pick from road or sidewalk.  It's unusual for the property between the sidewalk and road to be "owned" by one property owner and usually the development or city/countys ground... Hopefully not too many know that near your house... Nice tree...

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Black mulberry season is on and Mango is around the corner.

Wife & I removed all the frozen bags of Mulberry this morning from last year and organized the remaining bags of frozen mango for consumption before the mangos start in my yard I'm guessing middle of May (later this year). We will not freeze mulberry again as only used about 2 bags to make some mulberry muffins and many many more were left from the freezer. I tasted a few and they were not good compared to the fresh ones on the trees now.

I filled half of 3 five gallon must buckets with slightly thawed mulberry and added enough hot water to cover them with about 4 lbs of sugar in each. I have also added about 1/8 tsp. of potassium metabisulphite and I tried to stick my hands in and squish them a little like squishing grapes; but presently it is just too cold....  So I told my wife I guess it's about 40 degrees... Wrong... Checked & 32 F.

Tomorrow or late tonight I will finish squishing them and will then inoculate the wine yeast strain into the buckets and start the yeasts happy little growth spurt. Sampling will be mandatory beginning 7 days into the experiment prior to racking and I will gladly volunteer

I personally prefer my mulberry wines to my mango wines; but both are good for a nighttime glass and not to be turned down.

The taste of frozen mulberry in my opinion is way inferior to off the tree mulberry and only good for cooking/wine etc. 

The taste of many of my frozen mango in my opinion are like eating peaches if you let them warm to room temperature and very good.

Soooo, if you have a freezer it's probably time to rotate/use/discard many items as fruit season is near/here...

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NEWS FLASH:::
So todays thinking goes, If I put up a fence on ONLY my Southern property border... Maybe it will keep out all of the different animals which I don't want on our property....

No money... No problem...I will build a GREAT, GREAT WALL on our southern border. I will spend about 15 -25 Billion on our new Southern ONLY fence...  Thanks for letting me sign & now I'm putting it on our credit...


Please, Please, Please don't try this at Your Home with Your Money for solving your deeaar problems.................


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help slow release fertilizer.
« on: March 21, 2018, 10:41:02 AM »
Thanks for the info spaugh, it looks like wait a few months & they may have your desired combo if not already present on another website... quite a variety...

http://www.greenhousemegastore.com/product/osmocote-plus-15-9-12-fertilizer/fertilizers

This page gives you a choice of 4 different delay choices of 15-9-12 using the new 3rd generation technology (if needed)...

3-4 Month MSDS (PDF), 3-4 Month Info Sheet (PDF)

5-6 Month MSDS (PDF), 5-6 Month Info Sheet (PDF)

8-9 Month MSDS (PDF), 8-9 Month Info Sheet (PDF)

12-14 month listed on page
higher prices however...   
$110.00 — 12-14 Month Release, 50# Bag
$119.00 — 3-4 Month Release, 50# Bag
$110.00 — 5-6 Month Release, 50# Bag
$132.00 — 8-9 Month Release, 50# Bag

Funny, but it almost sounds like the computer chip manufactureres.... 1st generation, 2nd generation, 3rd generation, etc. etc. etc. I don't know what generation is in my computer I'm currently typing on .... but it works.  ;)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help slow release fertilizer.
« on: March 21, 2018, 10:21:07 AM »
I got a bag of this osmocote pro.  85$ for 50lbs 19-5-8

http://www.greenhousemegastore.com/product/osmocote-pro-19-5-8-50-bag-8-9-month/fertilizers

Dont remember what shipping cost but dont remember it being excessive.

They also have osmocote classic, osmote plus, etc in different release rates.

I like the pro stuff better than the 8lb osmocote plus little balls on amazon.

Greenhousemegastore 19-5-8 looks like a good price as to my zip only $9.99 shipping + $85 approximately = $95 for home delivery 50lb. Have you ordered often from this company and any shipping problems yet?

Also it's claimed to be a second generation (So is everything else Osmocote 1st generation and if so what's really the difference in longevity etc.)  (• For use on nursery stock, foliage and landscapes.
• 2nd Generation Osmocote® Pro contains
Osmocote® N-P-K blended with micronutrients
and other fertilizer technologies).......I guess that means a longer slower release potential... but not really sure.

It's interesting that I keep finding a new formulation of Osmocote on many different selling sites with none of the sites clearly listing all of the available osmocote products to purchase on their website... Thus very confusing and hard to evaluate desired choices.

http://www.greenhousemegastore.com/category/s?keyword=osmocote
http://www.greenhousemegastore.com/product/osmocote-pro-19-5-8-50-bag-8-9-month/
http://cdn.greenhousemegastore.com/downloads/pdf/osmocote-pro-19-5-8-product-sheet.pdf?linkingParam=%7B%22__ctmid%22%3A%225ab24bbe001caefb9d9c2d25%22%2C%22__roit%22%3A%220%22%2C%22_ga%22%3A%22GA1.2.114142024.1521634240%22%2C%22_gid%22%3A%22GA1.2.923462961.1521634240%22%2C%22__roiNonDirect%22%3A%22true%22%2C%22_gat%22%3A%221%22%2C%22_gat_t3%22%3A%221%22%2C%22_gat_t4%22%3A%221%22%7D
http://www.osmocotegarden.com/
https://www.scottsaustralia.com.au/scotts-brands/osmocote/osmocote-plus-trace-elements-controlled-release-plant-food/
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_8?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=osmocote+slow+release+fertilizer&sprefix=osmocote%2Caps%2C161&crid=3GR3S6XO4QFZB
https://www.plantersplace.com/osmocote-plant-food/





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help slow release fertilizer.
« on: March 19, 2018, 08:18:30 PM »
I've used this before and been happy with it for potted plants: https://www.amleo.com/osmocote-fertilizer-15-9-12-slow-release-8-to-9-months-50lb-bag/p/159128/
Says 1 to 5 bags for $99.99/50lb + $27.99 shipping for 1 bag to my zip.
              Vs. 1 bag 8lb amazon $14.86 + free shipping if 2 bags or greater. buying amazon multiple bags comes to 50lb for $92.875 using ratio & breaking small bags open.  However the plus bag Does say reapply every 6 months (says polymer coating) & has minerals vs. regular bag without minerals reapply every 8-9 months (says encapsulated within multiple layers of polymeric resin). Unknown if same or different resin coating but similar sounding.
Presently much cheaper to buy 2 or more 8lb bags from amazon on price alone & especially with free shipping and added minerals (if desired).

The 40lb bag of HD Vigoro citrus/avocado on 40lb size recommends fertilizing more frequently so not so slow slow release vs. other 2 choices:::  When to apply: apply every 4-6 weeks during the growing season for in ground plants and every 3 months for potted plants (funny being longer for indoor so I guess sunlight or moisture from daily dew breaks down the slow release characteristics faster on this choice...............Then again, leave the pots outside & complain when it doesn't last 3 months... ha.......Then again, maybe pots are part of the slow release function per the manufacturers home depot listing and you must buy them separately...  ;D  ha ) https://www.homedepot.com/p/Vigoro-40-lb-Citrus-and-Avocado-Plant-Food-162125/203089345  .......And the deal Clincher listed to sway your purchase of Vigoro is "Use around other plants: safe to use around other plants"....   ;D  We all sincerely hope soooo....  ;)

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Wife calls me Elmer Fudd.
No deer around my property so no problems with them.

My wife also says Elmer Fudd is gonna get you when she notices a rodent invading my property.

I just say it's amazing how many meteor flying projectiles from space hit rodents on my property.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Coconut deficiency and treatment
« on: March 19, 2018, 09:27:02 AM »
I am not advocating you try this as I have not tried it as I only grow a few coconut trees around my house and have done little supplementing in my soil near the coconut trees. I may try adding some lower levels of borax/potassium but have not yet and it appears it takes 3-6 months to evaluate the results seen in the plants with changes so I will go slow to my additions of elements.

Hopefully a professional coconut grower will give their opinion, but I am not one.

You probably have the same opinion that I have if considering adding plant supplements, choose lower known values and increase to a higher if needed as removal is often difficult or impossible without plant death. If you already have your potassium level where you think it will be ok, you can still consider the addition of the borax.
Borax and potassium oxide were used in the report:  http://krishikosh.egranth.ac.in/bitstream/1/5810000191/1/Nakka%20Sathi%20Babu.pdf   on page 28

Notation for the treatments Levels of boron and potassium
• T1: B1K1 25 g borax/palm + 900 g K2O/palm
• T2: B1K2 25 g borax/palm + 1200 g K2O/palm
• T3: B1K3 25 g borax/palm + 1500 g K2O/palm
• T4: B2K1 50 g borax/palm + 900 g K2O/palm
• T5: B2K2 50 g borax /palm + 1200 g K2O/palm
• T6: B2K3 50 g borax/palm + 1500 g K2O/palm
• T7: B3K1 100 g borax/palm + 900 g K2O/palm
• T8: B3K2 100 g borax/palm + 1200 g K2O/palm
• T9: B3K3 100 g borax /palm + 1500 g K2O/palm

page 28

Continue monitoring levels of the other Ca, Mg, Cl, Na, etc. etc. etc. and soil ph, moisture soil & atmosphere, aeration soil & atmosphere, light source, temperature, etc. etc. etc.

 


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https://apsjournals.apsnet.org/doi/full/10.1094/PDIS-03-16-0271-RE

"White sapote is not a preferred host for the psyllid (Halbert and Manjunath 2004; Westbrook et al. 2011). Since this plant is grown in California by rare fruit growers and horticulturists, mainly in regions where citrus is cultivated, and it may act as an alternate host for HLB, regulatory precautions are warranted."


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Too Late for Mango Rebloom?
« on: March 16, 2018, 03:54:07 PM »
No not too late.
Last night in Golden Gate Estates we got down to 34.7 with a total of six and a half hours below 40 degrees. Very likely the small fruit on my trees will drop. Is it too late to hope for rebloom?

My over 10 foot tall x 10 ft wide Philippean mango tree is still dormant and I'm hoping for a late bloom & crop from it. Last summer it had a large late crop going July- August and the mangos were much better than the year before when the crop came months earlier. Then again, it might skip a year after the heavy harvest last year; and that would also be ok.

All of my other trees have bloomed to an extent that produced last year, except for my Sweettart tree that I bought grafted and produced about 6 fruit last year and it is only about 8 foot tall. It is presently simi dormant also with no vegatative or bloom growth for this year.

Many of my small LZ's and the sweettart mentioned above etc. I had removed most of the leaves before last years hurricaine and that may have suppressed the early bloom or vegatative growth... just a guess as the trees are still thin with smaller leaves than before the hurricaine and appear mainly dormant with minimum to no early spring growth.....

My largest tree with 4 varieties grafted has previously been loaded with fruit like 4 years in a row. But as of today, the main graft Haden is the only one that has bloomed and set fruit. It looks like my Edward and Sweettart graft are going to produce vegatative at least so far. The big surprise is the largest graft is a Keitt and it is so far only vegatative with no blooms and it has always fruited heavy in prior years(many other Keitt trees in yard have small fruit sets).

My Okrung mango tree produced almost no fruit last year vs. the year before and it was an earlier crop than the previous year. The quality of last years early crop okrung was poor vs. the year before. I have a loaded crop of small bb's and am hoping for a later sweet crop as I have found my later crops usually being sweeter on most of my mangos.

Florigon also produced no fruit last year vs. year before. This year the small 8 foot tree is loaded.

My other trees Keitt/Carrie/Glen/ etc. etc. etc. are all blooming with small fruit sets.

Tebow/Young grafts produced zero fruit last year vs. year before. This year heavy load on two trees I grafted.
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I saw your info for location saying United States so I googled (before reading markinNAPLES) for Golden Gate Estates and picked up an interesting old rant about the subdivision.

https://simplify3.wordpress.com/2007/02/21/golden-gate-estates-nefarious-history/
Most of the lots were sold by 1965, but unsuspecting buyers still get suckered into paying over $15,000 for a lot worth about $3,000.

It's funny reading it today and saying, Now Who Got Suckered? With land values priced today vs. 1965...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Time to water?
« on: March 09, 2018, 02:42:44 PM »
Bought some of that toxic red mulch
https://tinyurl.com/y9nnugxz

How about some mini version of ground penetrating radar to locate feeder roots?
If I buy the "toxic red mulch", maybe I'll luck up and get some Iron oxide, & copper. My plants are scared with the cooler weather, extra watering, and forum talk and said they wanted to decrease their odds of getting bacterial & fungal infections & wanted some more copper for translocation between trees  ;)

I'm gonna skip the ground radar & borrow the pot sniffing police dog to smell for those fungi tubules branching off the roots for exact watering locations.  ;)

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These rot and bacterial diseases are definitely not just problems for commercial growers....they actually started out in backyards. People in Manalapan and Hypoluxo, where we suspect the MBBS got introduced and has “built up” the most

As far as LZ’s other noted problems, your typical backyard grower is unlikely to be even spraying sulfur (or copper) and highly unlikely to be applying bags of gypsum to correct their calcium deficiency should they have one ( and are probably just as likely to be creating one with over-applications of nitrogen).

May as well provide help one item at a time....as none want the crop infection to increase...

I. So I'll go with the highly unlikely 1st as it's very simple, relatively cheap, and easy to get and apply as I have often ordered and had it delivered to my home address for "free delivery" with large quantity orders (it may sell out fast if a lot of people read this,,, ha)::: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sta-Green-30-lb-Soil-Conditioner-Aerate-Soil/50189501    (about  $10/30lb bag)  Sta-Green 30-lb Soil Conditioner Aerate Soil ...Is Gypsum "Calcium Sulfate"... read back by rotating image and then enlarging.

II. Copper sprays: Most probably prefer  (if cost is not a consideration) Nordox

III. Sulfur sprays: Who has a preference sulfur product to mix for spraying?

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