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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sick dragonfruit
« on: September 08, 2016, 05:50:35 AM »
1. Sunlight? It appears to be next to a fence and too much shade may be increasing problems.
2. Too much moisture? It has been raining a lot in south Florida. Consider elevating roots or creating drainage.
3. Do they have a lawn service? If so advise not to spray herbicides etc. near it.
4. Excessive fertilizers & other chemicals added? Too much of anything can be bad for the plant (loving it to death).

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Large Okrung Mango ??

The large okrung mango I described above I brought to my yard from grafts about 5 years ago. The person I received the grafts from did not know the name for sure and neither do I as this is my best guess. This mango is green and ripens from the skin going toward the seed but always keeping some tart taste. The skin area to about 1/16 inch from the seed is very sweet when changed from green to a few black spots. The average weight is 1.5 lb and they hang in clusters. The parent tree is about 30 feet high.  I am very pleased with the taste of this mango.

The mango begins falling from the tree if not picked in late August and falls mainly in September. Ripening in paper bags when picked green is usually 2-4  days if picked in September.

I will show pictures of some of the grafted limbs I did but it is not on the parent tree thus I am showing clusters from some of my trees. The bottom picture has a good image of one of the mangos with a point showing on its bottom. The bottom picture also shows how some of the mangos look different shades and some with points and some not showing points but all of the mangos in the bottom picture are from the same graft that I added to a parent tree that shed its fruit in June.

If anyone knows if it is another Thai etc. variety, please give your opinion. Thanks.

 

 



 

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I found one valencia pride mango hidden on a separate grafted tree from 1 limb in mostly shade thus it is late to ripen vs. other tree from august. I took the last kent mango from a small tree. Their are many more keitt mangos and what I call regular large Okrung mangos (average 1.5 lb) left on my trees.
And the winner for my taste testing in September was the Keitt mango followed closely by Okrung. The Valencia pride was pretty pale without high sweetness etc. The Kent was probably 1 day overripe and not as good as my first one eaten last month and in the same category as the valencia pride.

I mention the Okrung as the large variety as in July I had many small Okrung Tong that were very sweet with zero tart/sourness. These large Okrung are similar to Keitt Mangos in being very difficult to tell when they ripen on the tree and I must look for the green to primarily black areas and softness. As with the Keitt fungus etc. often has blackened the mango also and catching it perfect is hard.

Initially this Okrung would be all tart/sour if picked too soon. Ripening begins in the outer skin area on the large Okrung turning sweet however this mango always has some tart to sour taste especially around the seed. Even if over ripe and I have to cut off a piece, the next section will be very sweet and the rest of the surrounding area except near the seed. The seed and surrounding about 1/16 inch of flesh will always be tart to sour. I enjoy this change of taste bud receptor excitation.

Top picture = Valencia Pride hanging out in the shade
Okrung mango in my glove average 1.5 lb
4 mangos: 2 on right =Okrung.  Top left = Val. pride.  Kent on bottom left
Sliced Okrung mango & cut out spot showing from picture before cut above & cut now.
bottom picture = valencia pride thin seed & slices.










If anyone in South Florida still has any mango pictures other than I, please post somewhere, or anywhere, any thread. I like looking at mangos......

Thanks California people for posting your mango pictures on the other California mango thread. They look great.

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I too have planted some polyembryonic seedlings. Mine are from okrung or okrung tong trees.

I have about 3 shoots from each seed and am planning on waiting about a year to decide which seedling have the greatest chance of being true to the parent and then snipping off the other two.

Does anyone have experience in the art of picking the clone? My experience in this art is zero and would like some guesses. If one is twice the size of the other two after a year, would you guess the larger as being the mated new variety and the other two as the clones or would you think the opposite for the okrung species.

I found no information on the internet of this art. With dogs the new species (mutt)  is usually stronger than the pure breed. With humans also we often see problems with too much inbreeding resulting in recessive traits emerging of undesirable consequences. But, on the other hand you could say this okrung plant is already the most fit as it has lasted for thousands of years etc. of propagation and any cross will be weaker with a new parent added.

In 1 year from now if the 1 tall shoot continues to be growing faster and is about twice the size of the other 2 shoots, do you think the clone is  A. the one tall shoot or B. the two smaller shoots???

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brix meters
« on: September 02, 2016, 10:52:58 AM »
After reading this thread, I went to ebay and was browsing the refractometers deciding which to purchase. I then made my decision and was starting to buy this when I thought, Do I really need this?

As a homeowner and primary mango consumer of my home grown mango, I do find it difficult to even remember the taste of the mango from last year. However, it appears the higher Brix reading is not a definite measure of the better tasting mango. It appears to only visualize which has the higher sugar content, thus no measure of tart, citrus, coconut, or as apparently many on this forum like to say it has that "complex" mango taste and "nothing complex" ;D ;D ;D about this or that mango in its taste, etc. etc. etc. To each their opinion IMO.

Thus in my location, I'm back to my testing for ripeness as very similar to avocado as most of my remaining mangos have green skin. Thus a primary change from green to brown/black spots and softness = eat now.

For the homeowner, do you purchase this primarily for amusement as I was about to or were you going to make wine etc with your produce?

I may yet purchase this for my amusement and to post sugar content on this web site, just questioning and curious, questioning and curious. hopefully always.

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Birds don't have the ability to feel spiciness at all. My little spicy chili peppers get eaten by birds all the time.

[/quote] from fyliu:Yes, that's the whole point of this thread: excluding unwanted pests. What works best for you to exclude them?[/quote]

Figuratively vs. literally........Consider a wink  ;) after a sentence. Also consider if the statement is really possible or not... Wiki or Dictionary.com is a great reference. 

The whole point of my previous post was to help prevent ones loss of money, property, time, aggravation, and possibly even the level of freedom enjoyed by saying/doing things that they might later regret; while at the same time looking for ways to exclude predators without having a lawyer/police officer/etc. knock at their door.

But if you insist, in your instance, only one species of birds has been a problem on my property. It landed on my property once too often and was hit by a flying projectile from an unknown source.
Many more options such as a small animal trap. Harbor freight has a low price for these last checked at $7.99 if the hole size is not small enough add smaller screen wire if needed. Bait with peanut butter bird seed mixtures similar to home depots for $1.49 last checked.  It even has a back door for you to quickly and safely release the animal back into the wild if desired.   ;D
http://www.harborfreight.com/16-inch-l-x-5-1-2-half-inch-w-x-5-1-2-half-inch-h-collapsible-small-animal-trap-94397.html
     http://www.homedepot.com/p/C-S-Products-Peanut-Delight-0-73-lb-Wild-Bird-Suet-CS12507/100539161

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This is a Fake Television News Flash:
Authorities in Florida and California have arrested a group targeting stray and feral cats.

The police and local animal control officers say the cats were malnourished. They further stated the owners of the properties went to places like the animal shelters searching specifically for these types of animals to further abuse rather than rehabilitate and care for.

Officer Bustem said, "We knew something didn't make sense when they came to the animal shelter looking for cats that didn't like people, were loaners, and aggressive hunters. We knew we had best go and check the properties where these animals went to see if rehabilitation and care was being provided."

The unwashed, flea infected, emaciated cats have been removed from the properties and are presently back in the hands of animal control. We believe at least 15 members of a group often posting on tropicalfruitforum were the primary culprits. This investigation will continue and others in Hawaii may also be found harboring malnourished animals on their property.

The home owners interviewed said they thought they were doing nothing wrong. They thought the stray and feral cats would be better hunters if kept on low food rations. They said their motive was purely economics to have more tropical fruits to eat and sell without further loss to rats, squirrels, mice, rabbits, and other such animals.

It is expected the Judge in the U.S. will rule swiftly on this crew and many wonder if the penalties will be similar to those imposed on Michael Vick.
 http://aldf.org/resources/laws-cases/animal-fighting-case-study-michael-vick/
 The judge added at least 5 months to the prosecutor’s recommended prison term, sentencing Michael Vick to 23 months in prison. Vick also received three years’ supervised probation during which he cannot buy, sell or own dogs. He was fined $5,000. Vick was also ordered to pay $928,073 as restitution for the 53 dogs seized from his property. He was required to enter a drug/alcohol treatment program and pay for the cost of treatment. Vick is scheduled to be released from federal prison July 20, 2009.

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To lessen the possibility of the above mentioned problems from occurring, I personally will not allow any feral or stray animal on my property.  ;)


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Just finished another Keitt Mango on the left in the 1st picture and it was delicious. The mango skin is visible in the picture has a hint of yellow and was picked about 3 days ago and put into the refrigerator after 24 hours at room temperature due to a small split about 1/2 inch in one side and fearing bacteria/fungi spread I decided refrigerator would be best. After 2 days, it is a little soft now in the refrigerator thus I decided to open it.

As seen it has pink sweet sections and yellow tart areas and it was great. Every bit of juice was produced by this Keitt in the pictures, no water or other liquid was added. This mango produced its own juicy texture for your enjoyment. 

Another great thing about a Keitt is one mango fills most people up so eat it slowly as it's big. The seed is also extremely thin from 1/8 inch to 1/2 inch at the thickest part of the seed.
The previous Keitt mango on august 8th in above post was picked greener and did not ripen as well as seen in the august 8th pictures it had no initial yellow hint and eventually turned to black bands, softness, and only a late hint of yellow and thus I ate it and it was average mango taste. Today's Keitt was a great mango.

If no marks were on it I would have let it ripen for probably another day prior to refrigeration as I prefer a little more sweet pink/orange vs. tarter yellow, but everyone differs on that.









It would be great to see some people post some of the new mango species with outer skin coloration when approaching peak flavor and when picked vs. natural usual release from tree. Then days to ripen, then a cross section of the flesh when good.
Imo this information is obviously needed by many as the 2 tasting booths I visited this year either do not know how to wait to ripen the mango correctly or waited too long or the new varieties are inferior to many of the older varieties like this Keitt and a mango like the Po Pyu Kalay (lemon meringue).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kent mango - it looked ripe...
« on: August 20, 2016, 02:16:23 PM »
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The kents I bought were from an Indian grocery store and were excellent.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed, I got home from work and took a sniff on one and I'm smelling some fruitiness. As long as they dont' get all jelly seed on me. ;D
Today I drove past a street vendor,  wife says stop look at the nice looking mangoes,  they were large and green, I figured they were keitts,  which is probably the most readily available down here.   

I told my wife to leave me one in the bag she thought was ripe, and on my way to work later, I could smell the nice mango aroma.  I said to myself, this cannot be a Keitt.
it was only slightly yellow on one part, rest was all green.  cut it open, and it was ripe,  after tasting I realized for sure it was a Kent.

anyway, yes they can be all green and ripe,  slight give and aroma, should tell you when they are ready.
U have to feel the mangos.  Once its soft it will be ready to eat.  Store bought Kent and keitt are notorious for not changing color when ripe.

I had 2 kents from my yard. The 1st one was eaten when just a little yellow mixed with the green and still firm and it was outstanding with a orange type favor mixed with the mango sweetness and no jelly seed. One of the best mangos I've had this year.
I then tried the other 2 days later letting it ripen in room temperature and making it a little softer. It tasted like a different mango with beginning jelly seed and a much inferior taste.

I think I'll try my next one like the first was at a firmer stage without the soft areas and just a little  natural tinge of yellow.

Hopefully you will get a good one at the store. It's possible but of course handling and time will decrease odds of success. But, I'm at only 1 of 2 = 50% success so far at home. 

This is my first year to pick Kents from my tree. I see Tropicdude said, "it was only slightly yellow on one part, rest was all green.  cut it open, and it was ripe,  after tasting I realized for sure it was a Kent" so it looks like for he and I when it is firm and mostly green with a hint of yellow it is probably ripe and at the preferred ripeness for my taste imo. Any other opinions on trying to let it ripen more or do most eat it firm to prevent the chance of getting jelly seed and taste deterioration etc.? While typing I notice rliou apparently goes softer. Rliou, do you get jelly seed at this softer stage at your location?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please Help ID This Massive Avocado!
« on: August 19, 2016, 06:19:08 PM »
Most of the avocado fruits I had seen in Maui and Kauai were very big as this one. Are they getting bigger when grow in Hawaii?

The original poster is from Kissimme Florida, I know nothing about Hawaii Fruit size.

Sooo,  I decided to go pick a simmonds off the tree today in Palm City, Fl. = South Florida. Now you have an idea of at least one type of avocado in South Florida that is still on the trees... It's a fair size 1.53 lb for South Florida.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please Help ID This Massive Avocado!
« on: August 19, 2016, 03:28:02 PM »
Many possibilities. Here is one viewer on line    http://tropicalfruitnursery.com/avocado-viewer/index.htm

Maybe Simmonds? but maybe not...

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Yes, I had to listen to Peter Paul & Mary singing Where Have All The Flowers Gone. Here's the link for any other oldies also needing to hear it again.

It looks very pretty at your location in the picture.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgXNVA9ngx8

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White worm like maggot inside guava.
« on: August 18, 2016, 09:11:24 PM »
Best to eat them with your eyes closed, or with the lights out at night. Then you don't even notice them.


Gotta Love it  ;)  I have some guava plants with fruit too and I'm sure the little worms are in many of the good tasting guava I eat. I don't eat the ones with obvious 5 holes in the fruit and multiple bruised areas; However, I do eat some without wanting to bite it and then look into the center of the guava. I know it's just a little protein. Watching these videos of Bizarre Foods with Andrew Zimmern helps a lot. I love watching the Bizarre Foods series.

http://www.travelchannel.com/shows/bizarre-foods/video/andrew-visits-nicaragua
http://www.travelchannel.com/shows/bizarre-foods/video/andrew-eats-maggot-cheese


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Here's a video: Camera Mounted To Feral Cat As It Hunts And Lives 

At 2:30 into video....Feral Cat gets it's 1st rat...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KuypR5BBkU

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I have not tried this 5 gallon bucket solution. It looks pretty good and it can be left dry for common mice for those wanting to play with them or drive them up to the arctic circle to be safely released. It can also be filled half way to the top with water for larger varieties if quick morning burial is desired. I am soon to experiment with it and I like the idea of it being safer for preventing other animals from eating the dead.

But I do have no trespassing warnings on the property; Rodents beware.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDuvxIVPUbw

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I googled this question and received little resolve. This question appears in my mind usually at about 7:30 a.m. when I observe fruit on the ground with hopping rodents teeth marks lining the fruit.

My guess is it has something to do with contraction of the fruit at night with cooler temperatures than in the daylight hours. But, I was unable to find any studies by googling for the answer.

I have personally checked my trees at sunrise and sunset and it seems to always be more falling from sunset to sunrise vs. sunrise to sunset. Do you agree or disagree and if you know for sure why, please share the info.

Then again, maybe I just pick too many in the daylight hours... 8)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Keitt Mango...are you picking them yet?
« on: August 13, 2016, 10:29:01 PM »
Since I have other mango varieties available, I have only picked and ripened one in a paper bag. It did ripen and I would do so if I had no other types available.

My present plans = try to save these on the tree for later unless Bugs, birds, fungus, Humans, etc. etc. etc. start to attack my Keitt Mangos or if they just fall off the tree. If attacked, I will pick & eat if ripe or ripen in paper bags if needed.

Also others have mentioned trying their Keitt mangos for example:   kar1ma3 posted in http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=20918.0   I just had friends visiting from Europe and a few mangoes left: LZ, Maha, Keitt, NDM#3, Pickering, Carrie, Lancetilla, Florigon and .. the best tasting was...

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I have tried most of the above except not the bags yet.

The hopping species of rodents enter my medium size metal cages from harbor freight quite frequently. I have found a few long tail species expired around the yard but none in my metal cages. Unfortunately none of the ordinary species of rats were found in the cages, However, many have eaten their way to death and been observed on the posted no trespassing property. Rodents beware...

Another product I've used is buried in the last stanza of this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOjCPXtlBac  in this case sung by Linda Ronstadt
Just substitue the word LOOK with BITE..... ;)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2.46 acre fruit forest
« on: August 11, 2016, 01:46:30 PM »




I love sugar apples. Almost two were eaten by us yesterday. 

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Mango on the left in 1st picture,  I believe to be a Okrung Tong with the concave appearance. Sold at S.Fl. fairgrounds plant sale about 3-4 years  ago along with a Madame Francis that day by a seller when asked what type it was he said a Philippine mango that is extremely sweet small size and small amount of fiber. At the time it was 3 thin branches with fairly small diameter branches.




imo = in my opinion

Imo, The Okrung tong is extremely sweet with a slight lime hint. It is one of my favorite mangos = very good imo and I enjoyed biting off the end and extracting most of the contents like a refreshing popsicle. The Okrung tong does have some visible fiber; however, it does not get between my teeth like a terpentine mango etc when I eat it. 
I believe this to be the last Okrung tong and most fell from the tree in July. It is ready to eat immediately on dropping from the tree, however a brown spot imo represents a signal to eat immediately as max sweetness is reached and some of the lime type hint of flavor will be lost. Mine will never turn totally yellow but instead the greenish yellow skin exists until brown to black spots start growing on the thin skin and the flavor eventually will degrade.
15 minutes in this youtube video of Fairchild Mango Festival=okrung tong   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf_6-dwDm_M#t=912.852472
This video was made/posted on you tube by an unknown individual to myself.

In the 1st picture, the mango on the right was correctly sold by lowes as a philippine mango imo. My Philippine has no convex strip like the okrung tong and is much firmer, thicker skin, and tarter with a lemony taste added to sweetness. This mango is ready to eat as soon as it falls usually green to greenish yellow. Imo this mango should be eaten before it turns completely yellow as the tartness is almost lost at this stage and the sweetness is not as good as the Okrung tong imo. 

The 4th picture down is the Okrung tong tree and the 5th picture down is the Philippine Mango tree with plenty of fruit still on the tree. Although I prefer the Okrung tong, I am happy I have the Philippine mango tree also as it still has plenty of fruit and I just ate the last Okrung tong.

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Keitt on the left (it is a mango  ;D ) and Valencia Pride (my last one of the season & splitting with too much recent rain)
The keitt was deliberately picked early as it was in a spot where someone recently stole a different mango and I wanted to try to ripen it and get to taste it early. So after 5-7 days in a paper bag from rock hard green it did ripen and I placed both mangos in the refrigerator 3 hours.
My opinion and spouse both preferred the Keitt (darker slices on the left) as very good over the valencia pride as good tasting in our opinions. Many more Keitts are on the trees but no more Valencia pride.
 

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Lets's plant LZ & Co only!
I just had friends visiting from Europe and a few mangoes left: LZ, Maha, Keitt, NDM#3, Pickering, Carrie, Lancetilla, Florigon and .. the best tasting was....  Yes, Rob, you are right - Lancetilla!!!!!! Sweet and sour, a lot of flavor, it was different.... (not the best for me). I had only 8 of them on a 4 years old tree 6-7lbs each.
Photo: NDM, egg, Lancetilla.




Hi Kar1ma3,

I would like to see the picture of the NDM, EGG, AND LANCETILLA from your trees.

I recently joined & did not see instructions for photo downloads from postimage that was linked to tropicalfruitforum.com for downloading. However I played with the options and found out how to get my pictures posted. Sooo, click on your image that did not download correctly. This should take you to postimage web page. Click on the top right to sign up. You will simply be asked for a user name and your email address. A program from postimage will then send you to your email the repeat of your selected login i.d. and also a computer generated password but it took about 5 minutes and was not super quick in coming. Copy this password and go back to postimage website simply by reclicking on your failed image download. Now login the site with user i.d. and your computer generated password just sent to your email. Now go back to your post and hit modify, then download picture as you originally tried, it will now download correctly.

Thanks, I do like to see mango pictures.

These instructions should probably be posted by this site as I saw other failed download attempts on older posts and no obvious instructions for downloading correctly from postimage on the help forum section.

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This is a Tebow mango.
What I've noticed is a large mango that often falls from the tree while still green with just a hint of yellow. if I immediately cut and eat it, it will be very mild and flat. If I leave it inside the house on the table for 4 to 5 days @ 70 to 80 degrees F.  or about 21 to 26 C.' it will go from greenish to yellow and finally an orange yellow color. The Orange-Yellow stage is when I've noticed it to be sweet and very similar to the Glen Mango but lacking the characteristic Glen peachy smell.
I consider this a good tasting mango similar to a Glen. I am happy I have it available today as no Glen are left on my trees.  More Tebow Mangos are on the trees and I look forward to enjoying eating more Tebow Mangos in the coming days.

Remember UF school colors (Orange & Blue) and when that mango reaches Orange, eat it.

I decided to increase my rating to very good (8.9.16 update) for the Tebow taste and consider it equal to Glen in taste if left till it turns orange. Another sign is the weight of the mango will cause the mango to deviate from round to having a small flat spot on the underside when sitting on the table when the ripe orange stage is reached. In the 2 mangos in a picture, the green Tebow mango on the left is 591gm = 20.8469oz =1.3 lb. Tebow is much more consistent in tasting very good vs. Glen in my yard when eaten at the Orange ripe stage.


For those that want more info on the Tebow mango also known by some as Young http://tropicalfruitnursery.com/mango/tebow-mango.shtml
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_(mango)

Who's next to post one?










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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Angie is a very pretty/delicious mango
« on: August 07, 2016, 04:34:36 PM »
Thanks for the info earlier posted about how to try the carrie if the ripe flavor is not preferred. I only had about 5 this year and tried part of them and they reminded me of turpentine. One of my kids loves strong tastes and likes it ripe.

I will try it next year greener but if I remember right they were pretty hard up to drop day, so how do you decide when to pick them for a milder less turpentine taste? If picked hard and brought inside do you usually let them ripen 3 days etc. on shelf or do you enclose them in a bag for quicker ripening and for how many days usually?


Yep, and to be honest. when it ripens on the tree, it's past its prime as far as my taste buds are concerned. Best is to pick green and allow to ripen indoors, eating at the most subtle hint of ripeness. It goes from excellent to regurgitation material pretty quickly.

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 If you read these cdc documents, you will be much more careful handling dogs, cats, visiting tropical climates, eating rare cooked meat, etc. Of course, I'm glad I finally got around to reading these from your previous posts.

Great information, thanks for mentioning above and will pass some of this information on to my friends and family. It is interesting how many of us are probably infected with some of these parasites now and totally unaware.

http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/npi/index.html


http://phys.org/news/2015-02-parasite-infecting-florida-snails-poses.html

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