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Went outside yesterday, found 2 yr old laying on its side. Cracked at and below the graft.

I tried to recover by doing a couple of bark grafts on the stump. I have low expectations. Found a couple wild mangos to graft onto too.


Sorry for your loss I have not had one crack that low. I have had a cleft graph that I put on a old tree at about the 5 ft ht. get blown off when it had a similar amount of top growth.

There is a chance some of yours is still your desired variety and hopefully it will sprout out on the slither sticking up. Mine did split very similarly and the slither had numerous new limbs form in a few weeks and it actually helped prevent future wind damage due to becoming so bushy from the split area regrowth and lower & closer to the ground & out of upper winds (previously the cleft graph was about 4 foot up from original old tree with most of the branching far from the old tree & too high in the wind).

Good luck and don't cut off the slither. Do not make a smooth flat cut. Do not cut off even a mm till you see what will sprout and where. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: co2 death chamber
« on: July 01, 2017, 09:48:15 AM »
I have not tried these methods.

The silent killer is typically considered carbon Monoxide CO (not carbon dioxide CO2).

However, it appears that purification of exhaust gas is seldom done by the do it your selfers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKThqClMugs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orrwNpxyaiA
If a rodent were caught in a cage, one could simply put a plastic tarp, visqueen, polyethylene plastic sheeting   etc. over the cage and supply an exhaust source under the tarp (cheaper than buying that huge device above).
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Also, when winter comes again there is an increased risk of deaths in homes from combustion of Vehicles in garages, heaters (not ventilated outside the home), gas grills used in garages and also not ventilated outside. Unfortunately we humans do not realize we are dying and CO is too tightly bound to hemoglobin to allow O2 to enter the blood stream and a  sleeping death often occurs from ex. running a car in a garage.

50 seconds into the youtube video   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmgIqVwytwA
   or    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRn_sONIrRI

So now you know a answer concerning animal cruelity if using combustion from gas engines etc. === yes or no. Many human animals have been pulled out and revived from a garage with vehicle running and they usually say no except for a slight headache occasionally and were unaware of the gas usually.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: co2 death chamber
« on: July 01, 2017, 08:00:39 AM »
I have not tried these methods.

The silent killer is typically considered carbon Monoxide CO (not carbon dioxide CO2).

However, it appears that purification of exhaust gas is seldom done by the do it your selfers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKThqClMugs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orrwNpxyaiA

If a rodent were caught in a cage, one could simply put a plastic tarp, visqueen, polyethylene plastic sheeting   etc. over the cage and supply an exhaust source under the tarp (cheaper than buying that huge device above).


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rain = Washed Out Mango Flavor?
« on: June 25, 2017, 07:46:51 AM »
There is a linear drop of Brix vs rain in nectarines. Maybe mango has the same problem as nectarine.

Page 16 http://www.lowchillaustralia.com.au/items/289/Session%206_Nissen_pres.pdf

Thanks for the info, I just got around to looking at it.
I also liked the chart with Calcium centered and different factors believed to alter plants useage of calcium on page 20 of the 24 pages::::

I'll save some peoples time by copying and pasting below:::

"ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS
Low soil and air temperature,soil moisture deficits, waterlogging may all reduce calcium uptake.
Cloudy conditions during fruit development will reduce transpiration movement of calcium
to the fruit

TREE GROWTH FACTORS
Excessive tree and shoot growth may compete with fruit.
Control of growth using dwarfing rootstocks/interstocks would be beneficial. Alternatively growth should be controlled through tipping, pruning, restricting nitrogen or growth retardants.

SOIL CALCIUM
Excessive calcium may displace magnesium uptake
Excessive potassium application may displace calcium uptake."

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rain = Washed Out Mango Flavor?
« on: June 21, 2017, 08:27:29 PM »
My carrie have all been good in my yard every one this year.

My Okrung Tong came early and were mostly inferior to last year except for a very few, there are still a few green so maybe they will be better. Little rain back then so definitely not rain related but early and perhaps too cool, lack of mineral replenishment,  etc.

My florigon is just coming in and 1st 2 were diluted in taste and nowhere near as good as last year. Unknown if rain, cool weather, or needed to replenish some minerals this past fall etc.
Valencia Pride was far superior to last year in sweetness. Had about 9 delicious but 3 were split by rain but still very good. Animals ate about 3, about 8 left on tree presently. One racoon jumped into the garbage truck and took a ride to the landfill but unfortunately another is around.

Glenn have been good. (update 6.24.17 little taste to todays Glen) (update from 6.24.17 to 7.2.17 all about 12 Glen eaten have been good again by ripening outside in warmer weather on top of hottub)

Rosigold were about the same. Good. But my season is over and they matured before the rainy weather.

A few early wind drops of Keitt starting to be able to ripen indoor with a sweet/tart combo giving more flavor than milder varieties like Glen on 6.24.17   Also Carries still have good flavor in my yard.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rain = Washed Out Mango Flavor?
« on: June 21, 2017, 07:29:09 PM »
My carrie have all been good in my yard every one this year.

My Okrung Tong came early and were mostly inferior to last year except for a very few, there are still a few green so maybe they will be better. Little rain back then so definitely not rain related but early and perhaps too cool, lack of mineral replenishment,  etc.

My florigon is just coming in and 1st 2 were diluted in taste and nowhere near as good as last year. Unknown if rain, cool weather, or needed to replenish some minerals this past fall etc.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First mango fruit of 2017
« on: June 21, 2017, 07:09:38 PM »
 ;D   yummy sweet orange with some tart yellow in my yard   ;D







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http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=23935.msg283846#msg283846

Carrie is  fiberless, very sweet, very very flavorful to the point of being too strong for most if the main resinous flavor is not diluted by cutting off green especially around the stem, rinsing with water off the resin before putting in mouth. also start eating from the bottom of the fruit not the top stem area where most of the extreme flavor is located.

If it is still too strong, cut into many smaller pieces and rinse with water again. Now taste and see if it is still too strong flavored or ok. Continue cutting into smaller pieces and rinsing until it is not too strong for your tastes. Amazingly, this mango even in small pieces still has sweetness and flavor beyond most any top tier whole mango. Keep working at learning how to eat this mango, I like it from slightly yellow to full yellow as long as I cut the full yellow into smaller pieces as it is more flavorful at the full yellow stage and I still prefer diluting the flavor by smaller cutting pieces and rinsing with water.

One of my top mangos that I have eaten since I have learned how to alter the preparation of this intensely flavorful mango at varying ripeness to suit my personal tastes. Very few mangos are this intense to allow personal taste preferences from super strong to fairly mild by diluting via proper preparation prior to inserting in mouth.

My Carries have all been dependable as tasting like a Carrie with none being flat tasting at my house. Apparently Tropicdude in lower post says it is possible to find Carries in Florida with "washed out taste" .... I have not tried as I have them at my house.

Carrie has good fruit set and production per tree at my house with little fruit drop like many of the other supposedly top tier mangos.

Carrie grows in most all areas in South Florida where many of the other top tier mangos struggle severely.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First mango fruit of 2017
« on: June 08, 2017, 09:20:07 PM »
Finally getting ataulfos here in Baja. M-hmmmm - goood!
Looks like a productive year too.

The ones in the center are a mango variety called Mamey here. They need more time to ripen. The cloths are my harvesting system to catch the fruit when it falls from the tree.
The net system looks like a great idea for taller older trees that you do not want to cut due to shade etc. but you do want to harvest the fruit.

Someone should probably show your picture to the owner of Truly Tropical as Chris repeatedly says she has no equipment to get the fruit down from the tall trees. Here is one of her video's (I don't remember for sure if the comments are in this video however I know the big Hadens are on the S.E. section).  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__Ne91TFnAc

It would probably work on some of Truly Tropicals areas like from the trees on the fence to 10 yards into her property to catch a lot and have them roll downward to a ending location as BajaJohn does. I know the tarp has a cost but so does labor for picking and it looks like a lot of fun to wake up and see if the Hens have laid any eggs today type of situation. 

Those edward mango trees sure look tall at Tropical Acreas also.   https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMbdMUhRpqMgq87aSPzFbbDm_RXWlHw677veE4lejSRezgX-3M8hmUIozAqn3azrg?key=UWxsc093TXpGS3JoaG5sVGFINnJ3aFo0TFNfTzN3

The tarp is a good idea BajaJohn and the mangos, trees, and tarp all look very cool.

Wow, I just read Just an 18 hour drive from California..... That's quite a drive...Especially in a truck... I googled and came a little less so I guess with car 14 hour 32minutes to San Diego but still quite a drive.  https://www.google.com/maps/dir/San+Diego,+California/Loreto,+Baja+California+Sur,+Mexico/@29.3683877,-118.7515569,6z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x80d9530fad921e4b:0xd3a21fdfd15df79!2m2!1d-117.1610838!2d32.715738!1m5!1m1!1s0x86b43b89530f87b1:0x178b5e606baccafe!2m2!1d-111.3477531!2d26.0117564   
Maybe your just a little more south Sur than Loreto that I entered....

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango tree bacterial black spot
« on: June 03, 2017, 08:58:35 PM »
Bacterial Black Spot (BBS) Vs. Anthracnose

Video 19+ minutes      http://teca.fao.org/read/8470

In the video Created Tue, 08/09/2015 in Ghana.... The farmers are seen only cutting off limbs affected and spraying (usually copper but occasionally a systemic spray)....The farmers said they were treating a bacterial infection (BBS) hoping it would not return by more wind etc........ I assume they knew they could not eradicate the bacterial species from the world by simply burning a few trees. They did not destroy their groves for sure.

They are seen chilling out on a rainy day in the video when they couldn't work outside without possibly aiding the spread of the bacteria. However, they continued removing infected limbs and burning the limbs, spraying the trees, cleaning their equipment and working the grove and as far as the video infers... they are still working the grove today. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango tree bacterial black spot
« on: June 03, 2017, 05:52:59 PM »
Black Spot Vs. Anthracnose

Video 19+ minutes      http://teca.fao.org/read/8470

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Yep. It must be eaten at the right stage. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of the "carrie haters" simply have never had a carrie mango at the proper stage of ripeness. They should be eaten at first sign of give, when the skin is still mostly green.

The amount of strong taste that an individual can tolerate is certainly different for each individual. Ex. I like a lot of worchester sauce in my rice where as most people like less. My spouse likes less sauce she simply pours less into the preparation prior to eating and thus it is more dilute.

We can do the same thing for a Carrie mango by knowing it comes "full strength" of piney resin taste and full of sweetness. The weakening to your preference can be accomplished by peeling off all the green skin and all green area especially around the stem to mango fruit attachment followed by rinsing. If it is still to strong for your taste, simple cut it into smaller pieces and rinse prior to putting into your mouth. Most people should now be able to adjust the flavor down to the point that they are pleased with the taste. Just give it a try and keep cutting and rinsing if too strong a flavor for you.

I have been eating a lot of Carrie mangos recently and just finished another today that I let ripen inside to almost all yellow. I did notice the piney resin taste to now be a little stronger before rinsing so I guess it is "Super Full Strength" if all yellow external skin prior to peeling. But, it was easy to simply cut the pieces a little smaller and rinse again and I easily adjusted to taste to the way Cookie Monster likes it at the barely yellow with primary green skin look which has less piney resin taste in the yellow flesh vs the full yellow skin stage of ripeness. So I now think the perfect ripening time is a mute point and really does not exist in such a small window for the Carrie mango as long as you use the preparation of cutting and rinsing to decrease the strength if too strong for your initial tastes; I think they taste good from about any yellowing with primary green all the way to complete yellow external skin if you follow my preparation guidelines to suit your taste.  :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Losing mangos by the bushel
« on: May 24, 2017, 07:51:43 PM »
Thanks.  Maybe I will be adventurous. :)
I feel compelled to eat what I grow and not waste it so I'm trying my best to eat as many as I can green. Some are better than others just picking them up and biting is low odds that I will eat it all. The super hard green skin is usually discarded along with the seed. I have eaten them like cucumbers sliced in slithers and salt & pepper when taken inside the house. I have also added some salt, sugar, and or vinegar occasionally. Everyone seems to agree that green mangos are healthy for us to eat with actually less calories since ripening was stopped. I am going to try more of these ideas on youtube.

I had a friend who had orange groves years ago in central Florida. He would always always ask for a glass of OJ anytime a choice was given at a meal. He would say, "Someones got to drink it." I acknowledged that and proceeded to drink my tomato juice, coke, etc.

I am eating more green mangos and will eventually try some of the hot liquid storing in glass jar ideas but have not yet. I like sweet and was impressed with the sugar ideas for the green mangos. Of course some varieties will be better than others and this is purely trial and error for myself. If anyone wants to post ideas for his varieties as to how to best eat them green please post as I have some of these choices also and would be interested in how you prefer to eat green mangos  of each of these choices::: Keitt, Haden, Okrung, Glen, Carrie, Philippean, and Madem Francis which have no chance of ripening in a warm room in a paper bag etc. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Developing a hybrid mango variety
« on: May 22, 2017, 09:08:26 AM »
It is predicted that ( for humans ) complete genome maps will cost pennies.    so its safe to say that eventually in a few years,  genetic mapping for our trees, will be dirt cheap as well.

Imagine you have planted a couple hundred seedlings of two trees you are trying to combine to get a new hybrid.   a just take a sample of each one, and one will be able to know, right away,   all the physical traits the tree will have,  one will be able to weed out the undesirables much faster.  and only keep the ones that at least have the genetic combinations, with the traits one seeks,   of course the proof is in the pudding, and flavor is something I do not think we will be able to put into numbers.   but at least the trees that remain will be there only to evaluate taste.    but who knows,  the gene or snp that determines brix might help even separate  very sweet from the not so sweet.
Imagination awakened.

It's still a good idea to have some sort of a backup seed bank, scion bank, etc.to fall back on but not in the same spot as the one recently mentioned with the melting intrusion of sea water if the new genetic combinations prove inferior over climate changes (co2 levels, o2 levels, temperature variations, etc. etc.).

Of course when reading plant genetic trait testing the thought of similar animal testing emerges and the favorite movie of mine is the oldie GATTACA.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gattaca
We are left at the end of the movie with the hope that your motivation, desire, and determination may be enough to overcome and succeed over supposedly genetic superior individuals. It's always fun to pull for the underdog and a great movie.

I'll have to talk to my little plants and see if they have any motivation, desire, and determination to add to their genetic qualities to eventually make me a good tasting mango.

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I wonder if they have a lot of coconuts in the vault. If global temperatures stay elevated and the ice continues to melt, that might make a good beach front location... Oh rats, it would be under rising water.... Oh well, they can use the coconuts  to make a good flotation device.   ;)

The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.
 William Arthur Ward
 

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3 days till Event per post #1. I'm sort of surprised not more information and support from members of PBRFC  trying to get forum members to visit the Fairgrounds for the plant sale.

I was at one of the events 4-5 years ago and quite a few vendors attended.

I read last year that many of the same vendors no longer participated.
I'm always interested in mango trees and wanted to know what type of selection will be available if I decide to visit this Sat. Also, what price for 3 and 7 gallon mango trees available this Sat.

Of course let us all know if the mango trees sales have been replaced by something like petunias this year.   ;)


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Watering mango trees
« on: May 17, 2017, 08:14:53 AM »
Regular watering (2x per week) is highly beneficial to mango trees. Here are some of the benefits:

 - Better absorption of fertilizer
 - Moist soil promotes beneficials (worms, beneficial bacteria, etc)
 - Consistent watering ameliorates fruit cracking issues
 - Better crops / larger fruits
Question for those that have large trees like Squam (Alex) or anyone else with tree trunks over 1-2 feet. Is twice a week really beneficial for the super large trees? My guess would be no effect unless fertilization is required with that huge root system unless possibly holding a super large crop or dry for 30 days straight maybe. How is the production for the large trees Alex?

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My 3 years old black sapote seedling is flowering for the first time.
Flowers are really weird,  since there are no other trees of the same species around, how can they get pollinated? will they still set fruits?
Thanks in advance for helping!
I have only 1 black sapote that was planted about 10 years ago, maybe longer time flies.
There is no known black sapote around neighborhood as far as I know.
The tree has no problems flowering and setting fruit unless it becomes very dry without watering. It does not need as much water as ex. grumichama to set flowers and fruit; but it can not be too dry. The large fruit hide very well within the dark green leaves and are still on the tree while it is flowering. My trunk and major limbs look gross with various cracks and fungus/lichen that would appear to kill most trees like an orange tree; however, no effect on slowing it's growth progress.  I only occasionally water in dry periods and only occasionally fertilize lightly and it does well in full sun. The fruit will be ripening soon, turning into the ugly rotten looking brown skin and slimy black flesh.  ;)
Of which the black slimy flesh is surprisingly delicious.   :P  :P

Snowflakes / Flowers...   Never the same... 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Perfect Mango Variety
« on: May 16, 2017, 06:54:01 AM »
Sorry for the diversion, but in my part of the world, we have a foolproof method of checking whether the mango is ready for picking. Lift the fruit upward until the stalk bends into a 'J', if the stalk snaps off and no resin/hardly any, flows out, it is ready and will ripen in 2 to 3 days. I have never seen this to fail.
Thanks for the advice and I had fun doing it yesterday. I walked around to some Glen and Rosigold specimens that I prefer to eat on the sweeter vs. tart spectrum. I initially pulled down with about a pound of pressure and no release from the tree. I then did as you instructed and lifted them and some would immediately separate from the tree. It is a much easier way to separate ripe fruit from the tree by lifting up vs. pulling down.   :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seeking info on M-4 mango
« on: May 15, 2017, 07:36:45 PM »
The question now is how do I get one?

Excalibur may have them. You can call and check.

In about a month I will have a 3 gallon M-4 for sale. I am using the 3G right now as a source of budwood for top-working and once the grafts take for sure, I will sell the 3G.
With a 3 gallon being a fairly small tree usually, what procedure are you using to get the maximum amount of scion chances from the available limbs?

My guess would be from the apical dominant middle shoot removing leaves initially and trying to get the hopefully other available small shoots off it to start growing more. I would also guess upon new buds forming on the apical dominant shoot you would cut off this main shoot and try to make as many scions as possible from it instead of using it all for only one graft attempt; or do you use it all without trying to cut off smaller buds from this main branch.
I guess in a month the smaller limbs would started growing enough to sell.

Of course if you had a apical dominant with say 3 other less dominant limbs coming from the main limb you could just use one of the less dominant limbs removing leaves and waiting on new tip growth.

Which way do you prefer and how small a scion do you use like 4 inch or just multiple smaller sections of buds cut off and inserted as bud grafts into the larger tree as you did mention you were using it "as a source of budwood" was it actually just the buds and a small amount of cambium insert into the new tree to be grafted or larger pieces of budwood as the term does not set a length. Budwood. A portion of a stem or branch with a vegetative bud(s) used in propagation for budding or grafting.

Any thread links would be appreciated if your view is already discussed...

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I like and appreciate Carrie in both taste and texture.  I definitely wouldn't do all that washing, etc.
I was a Carrie Mango Hater for the past 2 years. I would quickly peel the mango and immediately cut it and put it in my mouth as I did the other mangos. I then would experience a pinesol taste  (piney,pine tree resin, aka yuk) and would spit out the mess in my mouth. I questioned how so many could like this mango but knew it was too many people for it not to be really a good editable mango and it took 2 years to figure out the answer as to if I should harvest it early/late or why it tasted so bad to me and many others but not some people. Now for the Answer:::

This Mango and knife or cutting tool must be properly and carefully Cleaned of any resin with running water BEFORE placing it in your mouth. Also check your mango for any green areas left on the orange flesh under the peeling and cut these areas off also (especially at the top where the stem attaches). Then rinse again with running water. You may now cut if your knife is rinsed with water. Cutting the Orange flesh is fine and no piney resin will be released IMO as it was only in the green peeling and other green areas releasing the resin. You now are enjoying eating a fantastic good delicious CARRIE mango. Congratulations and enjoy.  :P :P :P

***The rinsing after removing all green is the key component in removing the piney resin taste****

As you stated, "I like and appreciate Carrie in both taste and texture." And since you already like the Carrie Taste. I would have to guess that this is the piney taste as Simon mentioned he also likes' thus it makes sense that you would not want to RINSE off the Carrie which is all that is required to remove the piney resin taste after cutting off the green areas and skin.

I also found this Rinsing procedure beneficial in improving my liking of Madem Francis Mango. However, the orange flesh of the Madem Francis IMO is more fibrous and less tasteful than the almost fiberless Carrie orange flesh.

I am also fond of Honey; however I have a relative who will not eat Honey. He says it is only bee vomit to him with no enjoyment in eating.

It is an interesting note as to how winged creatures feed their young (birds, bees, etc.) often by carrying back the contents in their mouth or stomach since most do not have appendages for this purpose. Partial digestion breakdown does occur in some of these situations; often deliberately by nature for the benefit of the young.

This information is meant for people like myself who are willing to try new ideas and are willing to experiment and try to enjoy new foods and learn how to like a food that they once did not by simply preparing it differently. It is not meant to have people who like a Carrie Mango already with the piney taste mixed with the delicious orange flesh to rinse off the piney resin taste. It is also not meant for people like my relative to eat something that is psychologically repulsive to them with the thought of Honey equaling vomit.

Thank you Pug and Simon and the others who believe this information may be beneficial to some.

Please note on the thread if this helps you enjoy eating a Carrie if you are like myself and not fond of the piney resin in the skin and green areas surrounding the orange flesh.



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I was a Carrie Mango Hater for the past 2 years. I would quickly peel the mango and immediately cut it and put it in my mouth as I did the other mangos. I then would experience a pinesol taste  (piney,pine tree resin, aka yuk) and would spit out the mess in my mouth. I questioned how so many could like this mango but knew it was too many people for it not to be really a good editable mango and it took 2 years to figure out the answer as to if I should harvest it early/late or why it tasted so bad to me and many others but not some people. Now for the Answer:::

This Mango and knife or cutting tool must be properly and carefully Cleaned of any resin with running water BEFORE placing it in your mouth. Also check your mango for any green areas left on the orange flesh under the peeling and cut these areas off also (especially at the top where the stem attaches). Then rinse again with running water. You may now cut if your knife is rinsed with water. Cutting the Orange flesh is fine and no piney resin will be released IMO as it was only in the green peeling and other green areas releasing the resin. You now are enjoying eating a fantastic good delicious CARRIE mango. Congratulations and enjoy.  :P :P :P

P.S. good news for those that previously top worked their Carries as they can easily get the lower branches of Carrie to grow new limbs.
I also found spooning after halving and rinsing was ok also if you like to use a spoon.



***The rinsing after removing all green is the key component in removing the piney resin taste****
***If you still think the piney resin taste is too strong, simply cut the flesh into smaller pieces and rinse each piece before eating and this will remove more of the strong taste. Keep doing this till you remove enough  piney resin taste till you are ok with eating it. Surprisingly the small pieces rinsed with water are still delicious and just weakened down to how you probably like it.*** With time you can simply rinse less if your taste change with time to get a stronger taste. 




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Banana trees "fixing" the soil.
« on: May 13, 2017, 12:03:42 PM »
My favorite spot to plant banana trees is where Nitrogen is overly abundant.... My septic field.

The roots do not seem to bother my septic field with the annual turn over of the plants.

Just thought I would post if you are looking for a nitrogen rich environment to plant the plants.   


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