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It would worse if she said "i don't eat avocados".  Have you guys met these people?  Thats crazy talk

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hoop house
« on: January 28, 2018, 07:54:05 PM »

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Citation rootstocks
« on: January 28, 2018, 12:39:28 PM »
This is the rootstock Dave Wilson nursery uses on their stone fruits.  Does anyone know how the rootstock is propogated?  How can I get some good peach rootstocks? 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hoop house
« on: January 28, 2018, 11:55:42 AM »
Mark, its 1000psi pump.   Its the lowest flow rate they make in 1000psi.

https://www.aeromist.com/misting-pumps/enclosed-direct-drive-1000-psi/totally-enclosed-direct-drive-pump-1-3-gpm.html

Remember my HH is about 4000 cu ft volume.  I would say this pump is maybe still slightly oversized.  You could go with 1/2 gpm size for your GH.  1 gpm might be ok but you will be throwing a lot of water around with that.  I bought .006", .008", and .012" nozzles just to see how they all work.  The smaller ones evaporate and have less drop out than the larger ones.  My advice would be get a smaller GPM pump and run lots of small nozzles. 

Time will tell but no Im not that worried about clogging nozzles.  The nozzles can be cleaned.  And its been several weeks now and they are working fine.  Worst case scenario the nozzles can be replaced.  The tip with the oriface can be replaced for a few bucks each.  If that starts to be a problem, I can just use RO.  The reason I am not using RO is because I dont really know what kind of input pressure the pump needs.  I have RO in a barrel right next to the pump and could easily use it.  I just don't know if it needs a boost pump.  I could call and find out.  If not, I may do that.  The water evaporates really quick and doesnt seem to leave white spots on the plants. 

I am growing a few plants for fun in 15 gal plants.  Then Ive got a bunch of smaller starter trees that will get planted out or sold.  The plan is to get a slot at the farmers market to unload some fruit from our orchard in a few years and maybe get into selling trees locally.  I have about 100 trees of all types in ground currently.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hoop house
« on: January 27, 2018, 12:42:29 PM »












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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hoop house
« on: January 27, 2018, 10:31:32 AM »
Mark, I am really sorry to hear that.  The time, effort and money that goes into building a collection like that...  So sorry.  I actually have a lot of seedlings in 1/2 gal grow bags.  Avo, mango, cherimoya, and dragon fruit.  If you want any of it I can mail you starter trees and scions.

The mist pump is 1/3 gpm fully enclosed from aeromist.com 
Its running on well water filtered down to 5 microns.  I have our entire property filtered to 5 microns but if you don't have that it would bet an additional item for maintenance.  Otherwise I see little to no maintenance needed on this thing.  Its a beast and should keep on ticking for a long time.  It sucks 8amps so its 1000w power hog.  I dont really care since we have a big solar system and have excess power.  But that could be a concern for people with already high power bills.  Pump is mounted inside.  It makes a little noise but nothing annoying.  You can sit right next to it and have a conversation and barely notice it.  It kind of hums and noise should not bother you.  I am running 8 .008" nozzles.  Your GH would require a larger pump.  Maybe 1/2 gpm or 3/4gpm.  You really want to put the nozzles on fans.  The water evaporates a lot better on a fan. 

I will post up photos in a bit when I get out in the garden today.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hoop house
« on: January 26, 2018, 09:35:48 AM »
I had not seen that.  That really sucks.  Luckily here the cold is not an issue.  The heat on the other hand could cook my plants.  If there is a power outage and my fans and mist system go down when its 110 things are going to get roasted.   I am usually around and have a small generator in as of emergency. 

And yes, this thing is done done.  For now...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hoop house
« on: January 25, 2018, 10:13:03 PM »
Haha, hoop house is much cheaper than a boat.  But yes way more $ than I ever planned on.  Its all finished now and I am quite happy with it.

If you ever come to san diego you should come for a visit Samu.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hoop house
« on: January 25, 2018, 09:00:15 PM »
Mark, I just wanted to update you on the mist pump.  All I can say is it works amazing.  Not cheap, probably 1500$ or so of misting pump, fittings, nozzles, and a couple fans.  But this thing works amazing.  I have a 30$ amazon humidity controller running it automatically.

The exhaust fan and shutters in the HH are on a thermostat and come on around 90F or wherever I set it.  Then as dry air is pulled int, the humidity drops below 40% or whatever its set to and the mist pump kicks on.  Runs for a minute or so and shuts off and drops the temps.  The exhaust and mist usually shut off at the same time and the temperature and humidity in the HH are pegged wherever I want them. 

I would highly recommend it with one exception.  Since you guys have more humidity, I don't know if it will work as well for you.  Humidity here has been 15 to 35% lately.  Quite low and this is our wet season.  It should work extremely well in summer.  I can do a video next time its hot here.  Had it running quite a bit a few days ago.  Today it was cooler and more humid and hardly ran.

The HH is doing amazing things for my plants.  I always thought I was bad at growing container plants.  It turns out having the right humidity makes a huge difference.  No more brown leaf tips and everything is actively flushing mid winter. 

Ive got about 50 mango trees and 50 avocado trees started.  Lots of cherimoyas and dragon fruits also.  I put some coffee seeds in pots recently, hopefully those pop.  We are also growing tomatos, cilantro, onions, and peppers.  We also let loose 1500 lady bugs inside and they fixed the aphids we had on some trees in just a few days.

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poly tubing and spider drippers should work pretty well if they throw out 2 or 3 ft diameter.  You probably have to run them for many hours at a time to feed a decent size tree.  You are also in the real desert so things may struggle in general there even without the wildlife.  Thats a pretty extreme weather area there right?  Mango trees would probably be a good thing to grow. 

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I can photo the different setups later if you want to see them.

That would be awesome spaugh. I already have an idea of what I want to do, but would like to see your setups first before I make my purchases

What kind of piping do you currently have?  Maybe snap a photo of a setup. 

Im not at home but this is a useful part if you are using 1/2" pvc hard pipes and risers.  Then any micro head can go on it.

https://www.dripdepot.com/product/shrub-riser-adapter-with-10-32-threads-by-global

Keep in mind if you are using the type of heads that throw a mist circle type pattern that they will be more impacted by wind than a spider type spray.  You get better coverage with misty circles but they don't do well if your property is in a high wind area. 

Post what you have and what you are considering.  I will post more stuff later on.

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I have used bubblers but they tend to flow way too much water into too small of area in too short of time.  Basically pools up around the trunk of the tree.  And you need a basin to catch it or you get a river.  And if you have gophers, you get an underground river and roots get robbed of water. 

I have tried all sorts of sprinkler heads.   What I've settled on is a 1/2" riser with male threaded tip on every single tree.  Then I can screw any tip onto those.  I use 1/4 circle (90 degree) shrub heads aimed at the ground to make a big circle around the tree maybe 6ft diameter.   Or on on other trees I am using a 1/2" female to 10/32 female adapter that allows me to screw in micro sprinklers.   You can get spider pattern or full circle spray pattern sprinklers or the little spinning micro sprinklers that all have 10/32 threaded male bottoms.  I like the spider patter the best and have about 50 trees with those on them and another 50 trees with the quarter circle shrub heads on a separate zone.  All of these setups are less than 2$ a tree.

I can photo the different setups later if you want to see them.

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I will start planting small trees in about a month and I would like to know your experiences with gopher predation on small trees. I purchased a roll of chicken wire and will going down about 12-14" below the surface to protect many of them but this will be a pain the the butt to do for all of them.

Last year they killed:

Lots of guavas, which I planted all around the ranch to provide a good microclimate/shade protection for future small trees before I realized castor bean plants work much better.
2 tamarind seedlings
2 jackfruit seedlings
1 3 foot sweet tart mango(this might have just been rot since I waited a couple of months to pull it after it died)
1 white sapote seedling
1 banana
I know for a fact they don't seem to like any of the annonas but the weather here kills these off just fine so it doesn't really make a difference I guess

I plan on putting these in the ground:

White sapote
Tamarind
Ice Cream Bean
Barbados Cherry
Mango seedlings
Starfruit
Feijoa
Mamey

Which of these in your experience, gophers seem to munch on and which do they tend to ignore? Along with any other trees they tend to like or ignore, for future reference.

How are you watering your trees?  What type of sprinkler heads or irrigation do you use?  Gopher problems can be worse with higher flow heads where water pools up normally.  Then when there is a gopher tunnel all the water goes into the tunnel and not to the tree roots.  Where a sprayer or micro sprinkler type head wets a large area and doesnt suffer from this problem.  The large area soaks slower and never runs in the tunnels. 

For what its worth, I have acres full of gopher holes but never lost any plants to gophers.  My neighbor clued me in on the watering issue.  He claims its usually lack of water when tunnels interfere with irrigation.  I don't bother trying to control them at all.  But we do have plenty of snakes and other predators here that may be keeping them in check.  My trees dont seem bothered so I dont worry about it.

Check out youtube for ideas how to use traps on them.  There are also videos of how to pump propane and air into the holes and nuke them.  You can also run a hose and pump lawn mower exhaust etc into the hole and suffocate them.  They also have spike sticks to inject poison pellets into the tunnels.  And there are mesh gopher bags and 1"chicken wire etc.  Lots of options.

Let us know about the watering thing.  Im curious if that theory holds water.

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We have a guava that looks like yours that starts putting out in November and it is finishing up now and starting to reflush and flower again.  Definitely not self thinning. 

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit or nut tree to line a driveway
« on: January 18, 2018, 04:47:42 PM »
As long as theres a fence it should keep them out.  Deer are a pain otherwise.  Jack rabbits can kill a tree also.  They chew up the bark really bad.

You could even put fencing around each tree for the first couple of years until they are large enough to deal with wildlife.

Anyway, I will have to look up where your place is.  Near the wild animal park?  You should get good chill so you have lots of opportunity to grow things others in SD cant grow. Cherries, plums, pears etc should do well.  I just put in a dozen more bare root trees here.  We will see how they do, not much chill here.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit ID in San Diego
« on: January 18, 2018, 03:58:08 PM »
Looks like a dead strawberry guava.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit or nut tree to line a driveway
« on: January 18, 2018, 01:00:00 PM »
Its bare root fruit tree season at walter andersons.  Peaches and other stone fruits would do great.  Is the new digs fenced off and have neighbors around?  Just asking because if its very rural and no fencing, deer will eat the fruit trees.

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I'm looking for the following,can someone help?

2 x white sapphire
2 x mr woo
2 x phoenix red
2 x connie mayer
2 x asunta 1
5 x condor
2 x zamorano
2 x florida sunset
2 x nicaraguan red
2 x bien hoa red
2 x orejona
2 x soul kitchen ,
2 x peruvian white
2 x white king vietnam

Send me a msg, I have a few of those.  Will have more of them available in a few months.

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If you want the very best grow lights you need COB leds.  They are the closest thing to real sunlight.  They arent cheap but they are super efficient and make white light that plants need to grow.  Each COB has many small LEDs on it tuned to different wavelengths so you get a perfectly tuned spectrum.
 3500K rating will be like pure sunlight. 

This place sells them.  www.timbergrowlights.com

If you want the next best thing that is a bit cheaper but less efficient try searching for ceramic metal halide lamps. They have them on amazon.

The purple china LEDs on amazon will work but the purple light is terrible to be around.  And it may draw unwanted attention from neighbors if thats an issue.  Trust me on this, get a light that makes white sun like color.  Its so much more pleasant to be around.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado tree water requirements
« on: January 14, 2018, 09:27:31 AM »
Mature trees can take  up to 400 gallons per week.

If you dont water them they wilt and the fruit falls off within a few days.  I have had my trees wilt and drop fruit after not watering for 4 or 5 days of really hot dry windy weather.

If you water after they wilt they do come back quickly.  If you continue to not water the leaves will die and the wood will turn black and tree will eventually die.  If you water just enough to keep the tree from wilting it will slow the trees growth and you will not get good fruit production.  They also get salt burn with insufficient watering schedule.  The pro avocado farmers will do excess irrigation periodically to leech the soil of salts.  They may even go so far as to use special devices that pull water from the soil so they can monitor the TDS and EC levels of the ground water in the rootzone.

This water requurement all depends on how hot it is, how windy it is, and how low the relative humidity in the air is.  Also the quality of the irrigation water.   When its hot, dry and windy the trees perspire a lot.  They do take more water than some plants and less than say a banana.  There is a lot of leaf material on avocados and a lot of fruit.  They need to metabolize a lot of sunshine and water to be productive.

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We are still picking guavas.  Ate one last night.  The trees did a few fruit sets and there has been a steady supply of fruit coming for months now. They do not all ripen at once.  I think you will have better luck with shaded guavas in san diego than in northern CA. 

We planted 3 trees.  2 of them make excellent fruits, the 3rd one is terrible and is getting removed.  The one tree with bad fruit makes green fruits that never ripen and taste like cardboard but its sitting in full sun next to the others.




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They should fruit for you in partial shade.  I have a neighbor with about 30 of them tightly spaced and shading each other into a canopy on the north side of a hill.  They sell theirs at market.   Have another neighbor that lives on the north slope and has several guava trees also in a packed orchard with partial shade. 

I have a few but mine are in full sun.  We have been eating guava since October.  The trees are very productive at a young age.  We got about 100 larget fruits off of each of our 1 year old trees and we had thinned the fruit set.   You can probably get better production in your shade area if you do heavy thinning.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Should I buy a grafted loquat tree?
« on: January 12, 2018, 08:45:07 PM »
Walter anderson sometimes has them.  You can also get them at clausons and atkins or the other nurseries up in the farming towns in north county.  Bonita creek may have them also.

I was going to buy one from atkins last time I was there but forgot to buy it before I left.  Had several items and forgot. 

I had a champaigne loquat tree from walter andersons but the jack rabbits chewed it up and it died.   

If you go get one post back what you get.  I still would like to get one of these trees at some point. 

http://clausennursery.com/sub-tropical-trees-miscellaneous

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Should I buy a grafted loquat tree?
« on: January 12, 2018, 06:33:00 PM »
Most that I see are grafted and named.  Big jim, champaigne etc.

I would get a grafted one personally.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Diy hoop bender measurements?
« on: January 09, 2018, 11:05:09 AM »
ThangBom, you can take a string of 10ft length and pin one end down.  Now put a chalk on the other end and swing it around and draw a circle with it.  Now you have your curved part.  You can make it as long as you want. 

My 20ft bender is just sitting around not used now I am done with my project.  I could sell it to you at a discount if you wanted it.  I doubt I will be using it again.  Send a PM if you want it. 

And honestly, I don't think its worth your time to try and build one.  They have a very affordable one on buildyourowngreenhouse.com

The one I got was the mid grade one with a stand for it.  You can bend a hoop in about 30 seconds with it.

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