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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Zone 8 cold hardy citrus(panama city, fl region)
« on: December 17, 2016, 08:17:32 PM »
Here is what I have outdoors unprotected unless severe freeze. In in Pensacola not far from your destination. Id advise to locate as close to the coast as possile for the additional heat.

Blood Oranges, - excellent
Hamlin oranges - have been better producers and are cold hardier- Trifoliate and us 897. - no production from us 897 yet
Myers lemon- softball lemons - trifoliate rstk
Owari Satsuma- think it was cleopatra rootstock
Ponkan Mandarin-- unknow rtstk
Xie Shan -
Navel orange- excellent - trifoliate
Dekopon- plant is hardier than fruit it appears . fruit is excellent but cold intolerant below 32

others that friends grow-

kimbrough satsuma, ichan lemons for sure.

Not citrus but here are some others

apples- anna dorset golden and ein shimer
look into thornless arkansaw self erect black berries exceelnt - apache navaho arapahoe for all summer long production
kiwis- friends grow them prolific thouh needs few years and trellis system


plums-
santa rosa , methley, catilina, burbank. I have specific recommendations for rtstk for these. Let me know if interested.

blueberries-- titan, vernon and --SUNSHINE BLUE- the best in my opinion because most toletant of high ph of all the verieghties Ive grown. 5-1-1 mix in pots for these - You have tons of blueberries !-- I use 55 gallon water barrels (plastic) and cut in half for each plant. I like to move mine around..


And many more I could list that Ive got growing. This should start you off.






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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Dekopon Log Zone 8b/9a North Florida
« on: December 17, 2016, 08:00:32 PM »
Well Ill say this- the heaters help temp with two running at 70. The second cold night I ran one at lowest setting and found it held 47-49  with an outside low of 32. The ethylene, if there was any produced, did not seem to ripen the fruit in the greenhouse. The dekopon and navel look the same in color. Im really surprised how long this fruit can hang- dekopon- as it tastes sweet now. 

Dekopon update-
No flush of growth since summer. The second dekopon still shows no signs off growing or dying. It just kind of is frozen in time. Been this way now for 6 months at least.  . Perhaps a little moringa juice foliar spray is callled for.  Supposedly it has a growth hormine in it that will increase growth by 25-50 percent. Blend the leaves in a blender then pull out the juice... mix with I think it was 32 parts water.  Too bad I dont have any moringa.. yet. Purchased seeds over the net and will be germinating them in the next few weeks.

Here are some interesting links on this:

http://www.moringacare.co.za/Moringa_About_6.html

http://researchonmoringa.blogspot.com/

Sounds too good to be true... will see this summer.




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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Blood clementine, Australian bloodlime...
« on: December 17, 2016, 06:00:14 AM »
Laaz

When do the Blood Clemintines ripen? Also are these the same as Mandared Mandarins, Red Nules?

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LaCasaVerde, check this link. https://www.briteleaf.com/products/?swoof=1&product_cat=dwarf-citrus-trees

Laaz, wow, looks delicious. I wish I could have this Cara Cara. :'( Too bad we don't have them here in FL.

Thank you. Ive actually purchased from them before. Dont know why I didnst see this. Will call and see Monday what rootstock they use. I seem to think it was US 897. Will let you know. Much appreciated!

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Dekopon Log Zone 8b/9a North Florida
« on: December 17, 2016, 05:44:04 AM »
The fruit on mine are 90 percent orange with just the neck and areas in fruit in the interior that are still showing slight green tint. The fruit is noticable sweeter. im pulling one every  wek or so  now though January. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Killing and controlling methods for scales
« on: December 14, 2016, 09:18:56 PM »
I use GardenTech Seven to kill scales and it work quite well at a rate of 2.5 ounce to 1 gallon for my citrus and mango trees. Please share your methods  on controlling the scale population using pesticides or organic.

Im assuming for soft scale? Will Sevin kill hard scale? Id like to try this if so as Ive got an Olive tree that gets reinfested every year with hard back scale. My current method works for hard scale but it does get tedious scraping them off first.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Killing and controlling methods for scales
« on: December 14, 2016, 09:10:17 PM »
If temps are under 90F when you apply and 24 hours thereafter, a mix of dormant oil and malathion is the ticket.  Just got rid of soft scale on a blood orange.  Wouldn't have notice it if I hadn't seen the soot.

Also, keep control of ants.

Second this. 
Has for me. Saw Marks post and responded as Ive used same mix and it worked. Only used it a couple times on soft scale and it stopped them. I use it every year on  black scale on Olive trees and it works for them as well, but these need to be scraped first as the malathion spray only kills the young ones before the shell hardens. Be carefull though on young trees without canopy shade protection as oil can burn as bsbullie referenced. Ive never had that issue though as I try to spot treat  areas not the whole tree. Like to hear what Marks opinon is. He may have more soft scale issues .

For hard scale- credit card scrape (pia) then malathion sprayed two feet in either non infested direction. Reapply after rain as it will wash off. 
Also circle trunk at base to stop ants.  After several applications no further hard scale.

Does it work against the soft scales too?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: How much cold can citrus trees tolerate
« on: December 14, 2016, 08:51:43 PM »
Laaz, what kind of temps do you get there during winter? Here usually 10-15 days total usually above 27 at night. Some years though down to 20 but for a night or two at the most. Barley 9A here

You must be really near the coast... seems your area is pushing the zone for outdoor citrus.

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Thats not right...sigh...:) Wish I could take you up on that... looks really good and sweet!

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Good read. Thank you.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Killing and controlling methods for scales
« on: December 14, 2016, 03:00:44 PM »
If temps are under 90F when you apply and 24 hours thereafter, a mix of dormant oil and malathion is the ticket.  Just got rid of soft scale on a blood orange.  Wouldn't have notice it if I hadn't seen the soot.

Also, keep control of ants.

Second this. 

For hard scale- credit card scrape (pia) then malathion sprayed two feet in either non infested direction. Reapply after rain as it will wash off.  Also circle trunk at base to stop ants.  After several applications no further hard scale.

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Dont know...but if so all the better! Im looking for it for its drawfing traits.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Been a while.
« on: December 14, 2016, 02:30:05 PM »
Welcome back...Blood clementine...how do those taste? never seen one.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: How much cold can citrus trees tolerate
« on: December 13, 2016, 06:00:20 PM »
I believe we are - you, I and Millet-saying the same thing. I see them growing wild here as in ...they have survived from saplings and are now full size trees that have survived unattended for 30 years... so in essence yes I believe graprefruit are more cold hardy than many expect.  An attribute as they mature is also their size...which I believe in the long run is a survivability asset here. 

 

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Bingo May Be The Answer To HLB
« on: December 13, 2016, 04:27:45 PM »
In about 5 years.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Sending seeds/fruit
« on: December 13, 2016, 01:31:08 PM »
I have the same question. Here is what Ive found. It depends on your State. Florida for example - it is illegal to move citrus trees and or any part of citrus trees in and out of the boarder. I called the Florida Dept of Agri and the agent when I questioned him would not confirm if seeds are exempt from this states ban. He referred me to :
"NOTE: It is unlawful to move into Florida any and all kinds of citrus trees and parts thereof except by a special permit from the division director."
http://www.freshfromflorida.com/Divisions-Offices/Plant-Industry/Business-Services/Summary-of-Plant-Regulations

I pointed out that seeds are not listed and he countered with the.."parts therof" includes seeds. The argument sounded weak to me so I asked him to follow up with me. He said he would this week.  It appears then if mailed for consumption (in fruit) legal- mailed for cultivation illegal. Of course this is subject to to your particular states rules and the destination states rules .  Im waiting for a call back from his superior and will ask if there is a general federal guideline we all should folow or is this all up to the individual states.

I have Dekopon seed Im wanting to mail to friends and members. Thats what got me started on this question as well.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: How much cold can citrus trees tolerate
« on: December 13, 2016, 12:48:36 PM »
After growing citrus in ground in freeing zones for years, I have to say that Grapefruit is highly cold tolerant.  Never even got leaf burn from 15°F where even the kumquats and calamondins suffered a little.  Oranges definitely do not have them beat, and my satsumas dropped leaves and suffer branch die back at 20°F.

Here in 8b/9a oranges left to their own will all perish unless protected until larger- then every fourth or fifth year they too may sucumb to  a 18-22 degree hard freeze. Grapefruit on the other hand grow wild here... I believe grapefruit trees themselves survive due to the much larger mass of the trunk/tree. Neighbors tree is 30 feet tall and look like a...tree. Much larger than other citrus in general.

Also ...leaf temp is more important than outside ambient air temp. Too many worry about air temp. Im more worried about the conditions that are occuring with the cold.  When there is no wind and I can see the stars on a clear cold night- danger,danger.  This is more dangerous because air temp may be say..29 outside for 4 hours but the leaf/trunk through super cooling(radiative cooling) can be 2-3 degrees cooler and sub 29 for 6 hours. 

On the other hand- when it is windy and the air is moving I rely more on the actual weathermans forcast low temp as the wind keeps the citrus the same temp as the air.


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Called yesterday. No longer carry flying dragon rootstock.  Seems the owner said- that in Florida flying dragon rootstock is on its way out. Not profitable for growers here.  Doesnt seem right but anyway..still looking. Thank you for the lead .

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Anyone know where I can find one here in Florida to buy online?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Dekopon Log Zone 8b/9a North Florida
« on: December 07, 2016, 03:48:22 PM »
I had time today to read the link. Not only full of good information on heating but also greenhouse subjects in general.  They recommend :
"As the heater operates, oxygen is used and combustion efficiency decreases unless makeup air is available. A free air inlet of at least 1 sq in/1000 Btu/hr input is needed." I suspect as referenced due to air tight nature of well sealed greenhouses.  Thank you for the information.   

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Dekopon Log Zone 8b/9a North Florida
« on: December 06, 2016, 10:22:42 PM »
Is your heater the type that does not put out ethylene gas as it burns?

A quick research found that this gas can be controlled by 1 square inch of vent per 2000 btu of heat via propane. In citrus it actually hasten ripening as Ive just read  that ethylene is used to color up citrus. Ill vent the greenhouse with slightly adjar intake and exhaust louvers to make sure though.

 Im also only going to heat for a few hours on low setting just enough to keep the greenhouse at 38 or so instead of the original plan to maintain 45 to 50 degrees with an all night full burn setting... too much experiments to be done still as the greenhouse is on its trial run.

Any info on this ethylene  issue would be appreciated.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Dekopon Log Zone 8b/9a North Florida
« on: December 06, 2016, 09:50:42 PM »
Not sure. It is connected by hose to a propane tank. Sounds like a jet engine when started ...much like a salamander heater  Is there a concern with using if it does?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Dekopon Log Zone 8b/9a North Florida
« on: December 06, 2016, 09:34:02 PM »
I think the same. Seems that and extended store in the refrigerator would dry the fruit out. Im going to place about 5 in freezer bags in the bottom drawer of the fridge to see how they taste after a month or so.

I picked another one last night and the fruit was not as good. About a quarter of the segments on one side seemed dried out. The rest of the Dekopon was juicy with noticeably less acidic bite . I wouldnt say sweeter but less acidic then the one I tried earlier. Thurs and Friday are  predicted to be 35 and 32 degrees lows with Friday holding 32 for 6 hours or so. Im going to close the greenhouse up and heat with a propane heater.



 I tried it out a few nights ago and  raised the temp from 58 to 70 after about an hour or so at full setting (25k btu) in the green house. Im not sure what it will do at 32 outside. Ive ordered a second one in case it cant hold a 10 degree differential from the outside air. 

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Dekopon Log Zone 8b/9a North Florida
« on: December 05, 2016, 07:58:12 PM »
I bought the sumo mandarin fruit from WF in early february i believe i planted the seed and it sprouted on March 1st 2015, so its about a year and eight months old,



Seems that the Dekopon is a slower growing citrus. Mine flushes in time with other citrus but doesnt send out those longer shoots. Tending to want to grow into a bush form. Id say mine is probably 4-5 years old grafted.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Which Type Of Container To Use
« on: December 05, 2016, 07:53:07 PM »
Glazed terra cotta pots slow transpiration and seem to work better for me. Less prone to chipping and cracking as well.

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