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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Weed Mat source near a Florida port?
« on: December 14, 2012, 05:27:00 AM »
I would like to ship weed mat to Belize next year and it would be a lot easier if there is a source in Tampa or Miami that could deliver to the port.  Does anyone know of a place that sells it by the roll, like 300m x 4m I think is a standard roll.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Gnetum gnemon seeds fresh from the fruit
« on: December 13, 2012, 10:55:45 PM »
The season has just started for Gnetum gnemon and there is a tree not too far from my wife's mother's house in Java.  We are selling 10 seeds for USD 9.   
This species is primarily eaten by smashing up the seeds into a mat, cutting into crackers, drying and then deep frying.  Crackers are much loved in Indonesia and the Philippines.

 This photo shows the fruit and some variations of the cracker.




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Here is all I can find out from Google searching:

It is from Kalimantan, Borneo and is named Gitaan.  The species name is Leuconotis corpidae and it is in the Apocynaceae family.

Does anyone know anything more about this fruit?  Is is from a shrub, tree or vine?  Is it acidic and or sweet?

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Some of you Myrtaceae enthusiasts may have heard about this difficult to find ingredient in Indonesian and Malaysian food.  I noticed it in the banana flower soup I was just eating and the cook says that there are fruit on the tree now.  It was not the fruit in the soup.  The fruit is eaten but is even less enjoyable than Syzygium cumini.  The part of the tree that is used is the leaf.  Sometimes Western cooks replace it with European Bay Leaf (wrong) or the Indian Bay Leaf used in North Indian cooking (wrong again).  To make matters more confusing, one of the English names for Daun Salam is Indian Bay Leaf.  These seeds I can get are the real thing... so if any of you want to take your Myrtaceae collection off the rails and into edible leaves for authentic Indonesian food, then let me know in the next 3 days before we leave Java. 
My wife's mother found about 30 or 40 seeds under the tree.  I want 10 for myself.  The rest we can sell for USD 9 for 10 seeds..  See my other post selling Salak Pondoh for an estimate of the shipping.

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Recipes / Stinking Toe Fresco (Hymenae coubaril)
« on: December 08, 2012, 07:07:56 AM »
Here is a user-friendly way to eat from this nutritious, legume.   The link has nice photos and a full description, but basically you bash up a ripe pod, boil and stir in water, strain, mix with milk and sugar, chill and then serve with ice.

http://rightsideguide.com/fresco-of-the-year-carao-aka-stinking-toe/

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Ten Brown Fruits
« on: December 08, 2012, 06:03:12 AM »
I expect that there are at least 10 tropical fruits in which the edible portion is brown.   So mamme sapote, for example cannot be on the list  Here are some that come to mind:

1. sapodilla (Manilkara zapota)
2. fig (Ficus carica)
3. black sapote (Diospyros digyna)
4. borojo  (Borojoa patinoi)
5. tamarind (Tamarindicus indica)
6. velvet tamarind (Dialium indum)
7. tamarind des indes (Vangueria madagascariensis)

What is missing?



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Favourite fall-to-the-ground fruits?
« on: December 05, 2012, 08:27:11 AM »
I plan to plant craboo (Byrsonima crassifolia) near my house because I can cut off all the limbs up to 7 feet and that will have no negative effect on my harvest.  In fact, all the head room will allow me to easily rake the ground clean under the tree just before the fruits start dropping. 
What other good fruits are always taken from the ground?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Monster Fruit Trees: 50m tall and 55m wide
« on: December 03, 2012, 07:35:19 AM »
Brazil nut trees can reach 50m tall.
There is a red durian tree in Sarawak that is 55 m wide.
A baobab tree's trunk can be 10m in diameter.

What other monsters are out there?

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How many years before a maprang (Bouea macrophylla and/or B. oppositifolia) seedling and/or clone bears fruit? 

Also, is there another common name for B. oppositifolia? 

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Took this today in my wife's village.


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Recipes / Pangium edule, essential fruit in the preparation of Nasi Rawon
« on: November 30, 2012, 12:44:46 AM »
This is one of my wife's favourite foods and it uses a poisonous fruit from a tree that grows in a swamp. 





The fresh fruit and seeds contain hydrogen cyanide and are deadly poisonous if consumed without prior preparation. The seeds are first boiled and then buried in ash, banana leaves and earth for forty days, during which time, they turn from a creamy white colour to dark brown or black.[9] The method relies on the fact that the hydrogen cyanide released by the boiling and fermentation is water soluble and easily washed out.  (from wikipedia)

After the fermentation:

Open the seed, clean off the kernel and taste it.  If it is bitter, throw it away and try another.  Once you have 3 with no bitterness, soak them in hot water for 10 minutes.  Now you are ready to begin.
Boil 500g of beef in 2 L of water, remove from cooking water and then chop it up into bite sized pieces.  (Retain cooking water)
Grind the Pangium edule seed kernels with some water, 2 candle nuts, 4 shallots, 3 garlic cloves, turmeric, sweet pepper, coriander seed and tamarind flesh in a Javanese spice grinder or equivalent.  Stir fry this mixture for a minute or so.
Add 4 kaffir lime leaf and one stalk of lemon grass and fry for another minute.
Add beef piecess and fry for 2 minutes stirring constantly.
Put everything from the stir fry pan into the water that the beef was cooked in and then boil until the beef is very tender (15 min or so)
Serve with rice, sambal and very short sprouted mung beans.

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While we are visiting Java, my wife is willing to ship seeds from the good stuff here that you may not already have.  She got her paypal account in order and we are ready to go.  We can only offer these seeds for the next 2 weeks (order before Dec 15).  In January we can start with the amazing Durios in Sabah, but for now, this is what is available:

 USD 9.00 for either 10 seeds, 3 cuttings or 3 chunks of rhizome.  You may mix seeds to reach your 10 if you want.

Salak Pondoh  -  really nice salak with no astringency     
   
Kepel               - Asian annona with a very small amount of delicious flesh per fruit     (We harvested the last fruits from the ground on Dec 14, so not many left).  Seeds reportedly germinate in 3 months and tree bears after about 10 years.   
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Beluntas           - a perennial hedge plant with edible leaves

Kencur              - a Zingerbaceae with edible rhizome and delicious leaves     

Express shipping to the furthest destination (USA) costs 18 USD for the weight of 10 of these seeds.  Strangely it is 20 USD to Australia, and less strangely, 35 USD to Belize. You can track your shipment online with this service.
We are not able to provide any phytosanitary certificate with these seeds.


   Salak Pondoh photos  - 








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Tropical Fruit Discussion / 2 minute video about the tropical grapes here
« on: November 27, 2012, 03:44:53 AM »
Klakah Grapes


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / How much do you like this forum?
« on: November 25, 2012, 08:01:34 PM »
I love this forum.  Some days I check it before I check my email or facebook.  Discovering this forum and reading some of the posts, I felt like an athiest who walked into a library and saw Zeus, Thor and Krishna talking at a table. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / The Durian Dude in Jitra, Malaysia
« on: November 25, 2012, 08:55:38 AM »
I have a 7 yr old article written about a durio collector in West Malaysia (pasted below).  I am thinking of doing the long trip up to his farm on my next stopover in a few weeks.  Has anyone been to this place?  Also, has anyone ever heard of a purple durio before?

   Channel NewsAsia 14 Dec 05
Malaysian farmer cultivates colourful durians
By ASEAN News Exchange

JITRA : In many parts of Southeast Asia, the durian is known as the king of the fruits.

In Malaysia, one farmer has spent 20 years experimenting on durians and he has cultivated purple, red and orange durians.

His two-hectare fruit orchard in Jitra, a town in the Malaysian state of Kedah, sees scores of visitors dropping by each day. They are all there to admire the durians grown by Mr Mohd Sofi Ibrahim, a former school teacher turned fruit farmer.

For the past 20 years, he has travelled to the jungles all over East and West Malaysia, as well as Brunei and Indonesia, to gather different types of durians to add to his collection.

Today, his orchard is home to 150 durian trees and boasts 72 varieties.

His favourites are the wild durians, which surprisingly smell more like jackfruits. Mr Mohd Sofi said: "The wild durian is different from the others. Its size is smaller than the normal durians and does not have the distinctive smell of the fruit."

Not only that, Mr Mohd Sofi also managed to cultivate durians of various shades. Apart from the usual rich cream colours, his fruits come in hues of purple, red and orange!

Although he has received many calls to produce his durians for commercial trade, Mr Mohd Sofi has steadfastly refused to do so. Instead, he prefers to donate his durian fruits to orphanages around Kedah and other nearby Malaysian states. - CNA/de

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / 46 second video of Keppel tree and ripe fruit
« on: November 25, 2012, 08:00:24 AM »
My wife, son and I got to see our first keppel tree and taste the fruit for the first time today.  If you have never seen the tree or fruit, or a person tasting it for the first time, and you can tolerate the low quality video, here it is. 

Keppel, First Contact



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I read on this forum about cutting the 'shell' off of mango seeds when planting them and tried it.  I really liked how efficiently the seedling grew.  I also started planting the seed with the orientation of the potential root already facing downward (another thing I read on this lovely forum). 
A couple of days ago I cut the shell off of about 10 Mangifera laurina seeds.  Now, it feels like my skin is burned on my thumb prints and there are two blackish blotches there.  I am aware that one shouldn't mess around with cashew seeds and wonder if that same nasty Anacardiaceae chemical could be burning my skin in this Mangifera.  Does anyone have any knowledge or experience of this?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / What fruit do you hate the most?
« on: October 31, 2012, 07:44:36 PM »
I know some people hate the word "hate", so:  What fruit do you like the least or dislike the most?

I think that among fruits that don't physically hurt my mouth, I dislike velvet apple (Diospyros blancoi) the most.

My wife hates ripe papayas (though she likes to cook them unripe).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Can you help me identify a durio species?
« on: October 31, 2012, 02:59:34 AM »
I bought this same durio last season and it does not match the description of any durio I have information for. I only have the fruit to go by and a likely location.  That is to say, I did not see the tree or flower.   I also don't have a camera at the moment.

Fruit size:   12 to 16 cm diameter
Spike shape:  thin isosceles
Spike length:  1 mm
Skin colour:  russet/brown
Fruit shape:  particularly spherical
Seed skin colour:  as durian
Flesh colour:  translucent yellow
Flesh thickness:  very thin
Flesh flavour:  sweet, no bitterness, lower in fat than durian
Flesh aroma:  exceptionally attractive with a caramel hint

Purchased near Papar, Sabah, Borneo, Malaysia for the lowest price of any of the 4 Durio species present (which may indicate that it is local).


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The sour ones can most definitely only be used for the famous salt pickle that everyone here loves, but I was curious about the "sweet" type.  Today I found it.  It has an odd taste, is a bit sweet and still quite acidic but really irritates the throat and lips.  I will be using this one in a pickle too.



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tabbydan mentioned finding a lot of seed weevils in stink beans.

red durian said "My wife's mom prepares petai (stink bean) really well.  She is Maduranese.  I don't like the way Sabahans prepare petai."

tabbydan then said:
   
I'm on the fence about stinky bean, sometimes I think I like it, sometimes I think I hate it....

I've had it in dishes, I've put it in dishes... but I've never used it or had it made from a source that got it fresh... so I have no idea what it is "really like" (I've just been exposed to frozen or pickled ones).

But I wanted to grow it because it is an interesting legumous tree (even if I'm not up for the seeds).

I was shocked to see so many of the seeds attacked, but then when a plant employs heavy chemical defenses it seems frequent that some bug evolves to go around them and ends up seriously bothering that plant.

red durian said:

I am also confused about the SE Asian Parkias.   I have seen different photos on the internet labeled as P. javanica.  I can't find anything I dare label P. singalaris.  It also doesn't help that Leuceana also has petai in the common name in Java.



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I think I am doing these plants a dis-service by calling them all the same thing.  Does anyone know better names for these Lecythis species?

Also, does anyone know which one is in the park in Hilo, Hawaii (Oscar?)
Going further out on a limb, does anyone know which Paradise nut is planted in the gov't compound above the Botanical Garden in Roseau, Dominica?

I can't remember eating the one in Hilo, but the one in Dominica is one of the most delicious things I have ever tasted. Unfortunately, finding the seeds on the ground is like picking mushrooms, in that one has a very hard time seeing them amongst fallen leaves if doing it for the first time.

Paradise nut A -  Lecythis zabucajo
Paradise nut B - Lecythis pisonis
Paradise nut C1 - Lecythis elliptica
Paradise nut C2 -  Lecythis ollaria
Paradise nut C3 - Lecythis paraensis

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / a 9/10 Mangifera laurina
« on: October 24, 2012, 07:50:38 PM »
Yesterday I ate my third Mangifera laurina, but this time I pulled the peel off instead of cutting it off.  Unlike the first 2 I ate, there was no irritation in the throat from the fruit.  It was essentially like a delicious, extra juicy, less calorie-dense mango.  The fruit is sold cheaply in the farmer's market here. (8 cents US per fruit) Local people make a sour face when I mention this species and say it is too acidic, but when I tell them that the ones I bought were sweet, they say, "Yes, there are sweet ones too."  When I ask them what their normal size is they show me a small fruit, but when I say that the ones I bought were mango-sized they say, "Yes, there are big ones too."  All three seeds were full of seed weevils though, so no plants for me yet.  I definitely find the fruit much better than carambola or guava, yet it is a seriously ignored species. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Couepia polyandra; improved varieties?
« on: October 22, 2012, 10:59:07 AM »
I am only familiar with Couepia polyandra from a single tree in Belize where the fruit is known as baboon cap.   If the fruit is perfectly ripe, it tastes quite nice, like butterscotch.  I don't mind the thin flesh as the tree produces plenty of fruit, but it only loses its astringency just before it is ripe.  It only tastes good for less than a day before it goes over-ripe.  It is not easy to get the fruit at just the right stage, and if it is still astringent, it is extremely astringent.  I wonder if any breeding has improved the tree elsewhere.

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