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Where did you buy the book?

on www from a company called Natural History Publications (Borneo)  for about 60 USD pllus shipping.

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Thanks for stepping up, everyone. I had read about Chaya, but was scared off by the cyanide content (even though it dissipates as a gas with only 5 minutes of boiling- that's not too hard to handle). I finally tasted it in the Yucatan last week. I went to a Mayan village and ate some that had been stir-fried with eggs. Excellent taste and texture- like spinach with a slightly firmer (but NOT mucilageanous) texture.
You can and should eat as much chaya as you feel like.  It is so easy to grow organically, so nutritious and is perfectly palatable.  Due to the high protein content of leaves, it also can be a significant source of protein in your diet if you get a little horsey and eat an obscene amount of it. 
If you are a religious person you might believe that chaya is one of the only foods on the planet that is clearly meant for humans, since it is poisonous to any creature that lacks the control of fire.  I would not advise you to eat it raw.  Even if you know the limit of your body's ability to detoxify itself of the cyanide,  a child watching you eat it may not. 
Chaya is the ace up your sleeve in an argument with a fanatical raw foodist.  It is extremely nutritious cooked and deadly raw.   
My family ate massive amounts of chaya every week for a couple of years in Belize... partly because leaf-cutter ants would eat any other leafy green I would grow.

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A note on chaya pruning/picking and soil tolerances:

In Belize I was always told to pick the leaves off rather than cut the plant.  I asked why, but no one knew.... So I cut the plant to make it more attractive and easier to pick at about waist height.   A few days later there were insect larvae burrowing down the core of every stalk I cut and that particular plant died.   Otherwise, this plant does not get touched by Belize's many insect species.

I had seen it growing in some pretty harsh conditions and experimented with harsher ones.  I put some cuttings into cracks of hard limestone rocks that were sloping at about 60 degrees.  The cracks were only as big as the diameter of the cutting, but there was some soil trapped in there.  The plant grew well, reaching about half its normal size with healthy dark green normal-sized leaves.

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There is a beautiful Lecythis ollaria tree in Tenom with dozens of those Smurf-house fruit shells lying on the ground, indicating that there should be more than a hundred seeds in, on and under the leaves that thickly carpet the ground under the tree... but they are very very difficult to find.  I wonder if it is just as difficult to find L. zabucajo seeds.  I think if they were grown commercially, you would have to regularly rake the dead leaf mulch away to have any hope of finding the nuts.  I had the same problem with the Lecythis species growing in Dominica.

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I got (thorny) wallachiana from e-species in Belize.   They are growing fine but not as fast growing as the normal edulis....  which fruited in three years.  These look like they will take six.   No thornless here in Costa Rica that I know of.
Several months ago I tried to find out in a Yahoo Belize Organic Farming group if Salacca was present in Belize yet.  I was not able to get any confirmation that it did... so thanks for this, Jesse!

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Have a great trip Red , tell me about the edible Etlingeras , I grow quite a few , which ones and which parts is it that you can eat ?

Etlingera aurantia   fruit eaten
Etlingera baculutea   edible shoot center
Etlingera baramensis   perfume and spice
Etlingera barioensis   edible shoot + leaf wrapper
Etlingera brachychila (vinosa)   edible leaf and flower
Etlingera brevilabrum   edible fruit and thatch
Etlingera burttii   edible shoot + fruit
Etlingera coccinea   multiple uses
Etlingera crispata   edible shoot + fruit
Etlingera elatior   multiple uses
Etlingera fimbriobracteata   mats + edible fruit + shoot
Etlingera foetens   edible fruit + shoot
Etlingera isip   edible shoot+fruit+leaf wrapper
Etlingera kenyalang   edible leafy shoot+fruit
Etlingera longipetiolata   edible shoot+fruit
Etlingera megalocheilos   edible subterranean fruit
Etlingera muriformis   edible fruit + inner sheath
Etlingera nasuta   thatch+edible inner shoot+fruit
Etlingera pubescens   thatch+edible   
Etlingera pyramidosphaera   shampoo+edible shoot+flower bud
Etlingera rosamariae   edible shoot+flower bud+fruit
Etlingera rubromarginata   edible raw/cooked young shoot+fruit
Etlingera sessilanthera   edible shoot
Etlingera velutina   edible shoot+leaf wrapper

Below is the only summary in the book.  You have to read about each species to know which is for what.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: WHAT IS THIS FRUIT?
« on: March 18, 2013, 07:29:12 AM »
I agree with Jesse that you are refering to a Dialium species.  The fresh seeds germinate uniformly in less than 2 weeks (ie. probably in the mail on their way to Australia).  The ones I bought in Serian were great.

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Ok, ok, this is not a fruit. But I REALLY want it and don't know where to look. I can't find it in nurseries because of that whole cyanide-in-the-uncooked-leaves-thing. Does anyone in South Florida have it? It grows well from cuttings, apparently. I have lots of perennial vegetables for trade.

I am not sure if ECHO in North Fort Meyers has the stingless one, but they write about it.  Apparently it is a special type from Belize.  When I lived in Belize I thought that all Chaya was stingless.  My first daughter is named Chaya (after the plant).

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Hi Derek,

Do all of the ag research stations in Sarawak allow public access like your park in Tenom or do you have to make special arrangements in advance? 

I would like to visit Borneo at some point again in the future -- we visited Kota Kinabulu years ago but did not rent a car & I do not recall the drivers being particularly scary (although it is easier not to notice when not driving).  Are the drivers / driving conditions much different from peninsular Malaysia?  They did not seem too bad there (outside of Georgetown on Penang where it seemed that any manner of vehicle you could imagine -- & some you might not -- were coming at you continuously from all angles).  Of course, the use of turn indicators there seem to mean any number of things and, sometimes it seemed, nothing at all.

Good luck with your trip!
John

I don't know.  I am assuming special arrangements are formally required, but may not actually be required.  I will make arrangements in advance where possible.

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Here is a map of the agricultural research stations in Sarawak.  There are 4 more in Brunei that I am trying to map at the moment.


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Recipes / Re: This is how we freeze durian.
« on: March 17, 2013, 07:03:29 AM »
Red Durian,
Have you had the red durian I hear that is very prized in Thailand?   How does it taste compared to the yellow.  I can only get frozen durian here.
The red durian is nothing like durian flavour-wise.  Try searching this forum for Durio graveolens.  A lot has been said by me and others about this special durio species.

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Recipes / Re: Easy salad from care free greens.
« on: March 17, 2013, 07:01:16 AM »
great stuff.  never had a decent dandelion.  presently only eating katuk and basil leaves raw.

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Good luck! Hopefully you'll find something. I really wished to drive my own car in Borneo as I wanted to check out so many roadside stalls. Be careful as some maniacs drive 140km/h on tiny Sabah roads.
I am one of those maniacs.

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On Friday, the wife, son and I will be heading SW from Kota Kinabalu in our little white MYVI  (see below) for a long fruit-hunting journey all the way down to Kuching.  It is not a good time of the year to hunt for fruits here, but I have no choice about when to take vacations.  Here in Tenom, the market has "dried up" with no durio, mangifera, or nephelium at the moment.
Fortunately, I managed to get a guide book called "The Etlingera of Borneo" last week, so maybe I can score a few of the edible species of that Ginger genus. The book includes 24 species with edible parts.


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I have no experience in trying to dwarf Artocarpus, but would advise  top pruning (of course) plus a root pruning  every 1 or 2 years.  It will either work and you will get fruit, or the tree will die and you won't.  If you don't prune the roots,  you will need to manufacture your own gazillion gallon concrete plant pots and invest 100s of thousands of dollars into a very large greenhouse.  If you have the money, then bravo for spending it this way.  If not, you need to become an expert at root pruning Artocarpus. 

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How did it taste cooked? Is it similar to luffa? ( I thought luffa tasted like zucchini when raw and like cucumber when cooked. It was a little odd, in my opinion. )
It still tasted like cucumber after cooking.  The acidity (which I hadn't really noticed in the fruit - just the juice) moved to the broth according to my wife... but I still added lime to my soup.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: My Citrus collection
« on: March 16, 2013, 06:46:40 AM »
Very impressive collection.  I never would have guessed a private individual in Switzerland would have numerous species of fruiting citrus.  You have more citrus species than I have ever managed to collect in the tropics!  Have you written any "How to -" articles on the subject of citrus cultivation in a cold climate?

We make daily use of Citrus hystrix leaves and Citrus aurantifolia fruits.  During the short window when C. aurantifolia is unavailable, we substitute with X Citrofortunella mitis fruits.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sterculia urceolata
« on: March 16, 2013, 06:36:27 AM »
My seeds are already germinating, so that is about 2 weeks from fruit to sprout.  I ate more this week.  They really seem to have some sort of stimulant in the juicier-than-ice-cream bean flesh.  There isn't much flesh on the seed, but I  kept sucking the seed for an extra couple of minutes looking for more than just the nice flavour I suspect.

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I spoke to a young Kadazan tribesman a few days ago and he said that his mother gave him the cucumber juice as a drink mixed with salt and chile pepper.  I will try that next time.

Additionally, I showed the photo to an older Murut tribesman and he was very adamant about it being better than a cucumber... though I couldn't understand the reason why.  I suspect the plant is fungus resistant, having grown for generations in a very humid environment.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Phyllanthus acidus
« on: March 15, 2013, 09:53:19 AM »
They candy it very nicely in Dominica.  I think the trick is something like soaking it in cold salt water overnight, then rinsing before boiling down with a lot of sugar.   Sold on the street on a bamboo skewer in a little plastic bag.  Really, really good if done by a pro.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sterculia urceolata
« on: March 15, 2013, 06:51:57 AM »
Got a photo of the tree a couple of days ago.  Under those leaves and sitting right on the ground are lots of fruits.  This tree is not as tall as me.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dacryodes rostrata, a Phoenix seedling
« on: March 15, 2013, 06:07:06 AM »



Sorry, Gouralata, it wasn't Xanthophyllum amoenum.  It was Dacryodes rostrata.  My Xanthophyllum amoenum look like they are about to die.  Anyway, in the photo I circled the weird structures that looked like leaves and then died.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durio of Malaysia book
« on: March 15, 2013, 02:12:33 AM »
I paid for mine more than 2 weeks ago (to the publisher) but still have not received even a message acknowledging receipt of the payment.  The publisher was quick to reply to emails prior to me paying.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: how would you get rid of wild guavas?
« on: March 11, 2013, 09:51:50 PM »
You could announce a contest at the local school.  First boy to fully dig out a tree gets a hundred dollars.  Have age divisions.  You might get a lot of trees out that way.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: how would you get rid of wild guavas?
« on: March 11, 2013, 07:03:08 PM »
When it is the driest time of the year, have a bulldozer come in and rip them out systematically.  If you count your labour as money, this will be the cheapest way.  Once the largest bits of the guava are out of the ground, you could go finer with just a farm tractor ploughing and harrowing. 
In the DR this operation should cost around 10 000 USD I would guess for 3 acres.

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