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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Sultan of Fruits (my photos of red durian) Durio graveolens
« on: September 24, 2012, 07:02:22 PM »
Quote from: Gouralata on September 24, 2012, 11:08:13 AM
Hi red Durian, a pacific war will beguin between us !

I tasted that durian in Beaufort, it's very dry and fine but for me Red Durian is Durio dulcis ! Tuttong or lahong or Durian merah (mean red in Malay) is the Durio dulcis as its outside color is red (not its flesh, OK). Go to Miri and taste Durio dulcis, you'll be in eden or in evil (the smell and the taste are so strong !)
We have another commun point except durian, Just few hairs on our head !

Gouralata (soon in Sarawak !)

I agree that it is weird to call D. graveolens 'red durian' when A. it is yellow skinned and B. there is another species that is red skinned.  I guess the reason it is Durian merah locally is because no one here has ever seen D. dulcis.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Delicious unidentified fruit
« on: September 24, 2012, 06:56:47 PM »
Quote from: fruitlovers on September 24, 2012, 05:08:55 PM
Quote from: fruitlovers on September 24, 2012, 03:10:22 AM
Quote from: red durian on September 24, 2012, 02:55:22 AM
Wow Oscar, amazing that you could find the photo.  Too bad something so yummy is so difficult to identify.
You would need to look in a book about ettlingeras to ID it. There is someone here who is a specialist in Zingiberaceae so i'll forward your photo to him and see if he can give a positive ID.

Here is what our local zingiber specialist said:
This is a fruit of Amomum sp., possibly A. gyrolophus.  Although I have collected many Amomum in Sabah,I have not seen this sp. to my knowledge. Many Amomum, Hornstedtia and Etlingera are quite edible and delicious,but seed, seed and more seed. I will do some more research and let you know.

Just when I thought it was etlingera...  Thank you.  It is not terribly important to know exactly which one it is now, if there are many species with delicious fruits, but I wonder how many taste so much like strawberry.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Sultan of Fruits (my photos of red durian) Durio graveolens
« on: September 24, 2012, 09:25:00 AM »
Quote from: Mike T on September 24, 2012, 09:01:08 AM
My friend has a seedling of graveolans x zibethinus that is supposedly well known in graveolans country in Borneo and called suluk.It is only 3 years old and came from your neck of the woods I think red durian.I have not eaten graveolans but read it tastes like burnt caramel.

I have not encountered any red durians that I would call sweet.  They do have some sweetness, but nothing like what you would expect from a durio.  But, I guess if the caramel is burnt, the sugar has become carbon (which also is not sweet).

The subtle flavor to me is like an avocado that has 30% fat, but no avocado flavour and has been dehydrated somewhat, sweetened somewhat, and flavoured with a powdered red multivitamin.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nephelium juglandifolium at the Bogor Botanical Garden: too acidic
« on: September 24, 2012, 09:16:41 AM »
Quote from: Mike T on September 24, 2012, 09:04:32 AM
Red durian there will be very few here who have tried that species unless I am mistaken.While on the genus I suppose you have eaten many varieties of pulasan and rambutan.Which do you find better to eat of these two and which is larger in your experience?


Here, the pulasans and rambutans are about the same size once opened.  Every time I bought them, they were different in many characteristics, however.  No one refers to variety names.  Usually the vendor will let you  taste one or one has been cut open  for you to see the flesh thickness or if the testa is sticking to the flesh.  Better ones cost more.  Here is a photo of one batch of Nepheliums from a Sunday shopping trip to the farmers' market.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Sultan of Fruits (my photos of red durian) Durio graveolens
« on: September 24, 2012, 08:57:56 AM »
Quote from: tabbydan on September 24, 2012, 08:44:41 AM
So jealous!

I was looking for this (and the other durian relatives) and found none.

Where exactly do you find the durian relatives?

In Tenom, Sabah, Malaysia you can buy D. graveolens, D. oxleyanus, D. testudinarum and D. zibethinus at the farmer's market in late January.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Nephelium juglandifolium at the Bogor Botanical Garden: too acidic
« on: September 24, 2012, 08:40:55 AM »



A gorgeous large tree with attractive fruits, ripe in December of 2011.
The fruit is great for the first second it is in your mouth and then you are hit with extreme acidity.  Despite this, I kept eating them for that first second of pleasure.   I would be happy to hear if anyone has tasted a better fruit from this species, as I have only encountered one tree.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Sultan of Fruits (my photos of red durian) Durio graveolens
« on: September 24, 2012, 08:32:18 AM »
Quote from: Mike T on September 24, 2012, 08:24:41 AM
Red durian it is great to see you and the durians together and the artistic shot with the model is great.Have you ever seen the crossed between those and the zibethinus durian? There are 3 cultivars around Borneo.I bet Oscar would appreciate a batch of those seeds.
The fruit are quite small,are they wild collected?

I did not know they had been crossed with durian.  I would love to taste that combination.  I believe these ones may have been from a back yard tree.  A man was selling stacks by the roadside but they looked to me as though they had been taken early, so we went to the tree and just got ones that had already cracked open on the tree.  (That is the major problem with this species;  they crack and then fall a couple of days later).  The tree had a gorgeous spherical shape and was loaded with fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / The Sultan of Fruits (my photos of red durian) Durio graveolens
« on: September 24, 2012, 08:17:48 AM »





When there is a lot of durian in our diet, we prefer red durian (different species), but if we have had no durios in a while, we prefer durian.  Red durian is very dense,  fatty and red through to the seed.  It has almost no smell and a very subtle flavour.  Little diversity in taste but lots of variability in flesh thickness with some trees producing fruits that barely have their seeds covered with flesh while other trees produce fruits that have frequent aborted seeds with very thick flesh.  During the "fruit season" here in Sabah,  red durian is my favorite fruit.  Sorry to appear in the fruit photos, but I could not help it upon finally meeting the Sultan.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: If you're excited about getting Baccaurea lanceolata, read on...
« on: September 24, 2012, 07:54:09 AM »
Quote from: tabbydan on September 24, 2012, 06:41:58 AM
Baccaurea are one genus I always wonder about.  I guess part of the reason they are so uncommon is that they tend to be on the acidic side of thing.

I had some rambai on my last trip to Indonesia (sadly they were underripe) and in Thailand in '05 I had one or two species.

Cool stuff!

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When you bought the fruits did you find out how the locals made use of them?



All I knew was that they ate them with salt.  Just putting salt on the fruit like a green mango was not pleasant so I did a ferment.  Maybe they do also.  I don't know.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: If you're excited about getting Baccaurea lanceolata, read on...
« on: September 24, 2012, 07:50:22 AM »
Quote from: Mike T on September 24, 2012, 05:15:43 AM
http://www.sarawaklens.com/2010/07/mulu-apple-finally-identified.html
Here is a few possibly including the same species from sarawak.I find the yellow fleshed tampoi interesting as the white fleshed variety appears in a few markets here from time to time.I have seen only 5 or 6 species cultivated around here and in Baccaurea home of Borneo there must be dozens of species.


I have been confused about Baccaurea from Borneo to Java as there is so much variation within species, so many different names for the same species and 'false friends' (same name for different species).  I was hoping I could give up on this genus but then I had a good-tasting Baccaurea in Bogor, named  'dompyong'.  (see photo below)  It has a nice sweetness to acidity ratio and can be eaten out of hand like a langsat.  Unfortunately, I have been unable to find out what the species is.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: If you're excited about getting Baccaurea lanceolata, read on...
« on: September 24, 2012, 07:23:49 AM »
Quote from: Ethan on September 24, 2012, 04:17:41 AM
Thank you Red Durian for the review about the Baccaurea lanceolata, it does not sound particularly good to eat.  Is it collected as a wild fruit or are people farming the fruits?  I've only tasted what might have been mislabeled B. dulcis, it was a little sour but not overly so and did have some aroma.

best wishes,
-Ethan
It is collected as a wild fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / If you're excited about getting Baccaurea lanceolata, read on...
« on: September 24, 2012, 03:07:39 AM »



I have purchased them like this and ripe.  They are extremely difficult to peel when immature.  When mature, the peeling is easier, but not easy.  I made two products from the fruit, as it is too acidic to eat raw. 

The first was juice.  The juice had a beautiful pink colour and a good acid:sugar ratio was achieved, however, there was no real flavour or aroma and the acid still burned the tongue. 

The second product was a salt ferment done anaerobically.  It produced a decent pink pickle that we enjoyed  eating, but the effort to peel the small fruits and the small amount one ended up eating with a meal meant that if you had this tree, most of the fruits would be wasted.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Delicious unidentified fruit
« on: September 24, 2012, 02:55:22 AM »
Wow Oscar, amazing that you could find the photo.  Too bad something so yummy is so difficult to identify.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 'klambuku', an unusual rambutan or a distinct species?
« on: September 22, 2012, 11:47:14 AM »
Not sure how to describe it, but you can sort of slurp the fruit off the seed in a second or two, no need to do anything special with your mouth.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / 'klambuku', an unusual rambutan or a distinct species?
« on: September 22, 2012, 11:05:30 AM »





The big one is Klambuku.  It's flesh melts off the seed more than pulasan.  The flesh is not crispy or firm-textured like rambutan.  It is sweet, very juicy, sub-acid and just as good as rambutan or pulasan.   Trees are very rare here.  I hope it does not go extinct if it is only a local fruit.  Most locals do not know it.  As a side note, the green-skinned pulasan is ripe.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Delicious unidentified fruit
« on: September 22, 2012, 10:52:29 AM »
Etlingera coccinea is not the fruit unless the fruit form is highly variable.  (I have a drawing of it and it does not look like the fruit my wife bought)
Lots of languages here and fruit names change every 20km, so unless you have a botanical name, I may not know what fruit you mean.   The fruit that has impressed me the most (since I had never heard about it) was klambuku.  It is a nephellium species.  Sometimes I prefer them to rambutans or pulasans.  They were available from late Jan to mid Feb. last year.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Delicious unidentified fruit
« on: September 22, 2012, 07:04:49 AM »
Malaysia.   If it is an Etlingera species, it is not 7 of the ones on my list.  It looks most like E. kenyalang, or E. foetens but no photo of either of their fruits on Google images.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Delicious unidentified fruit
« on: September 22, 2012, 06:44:46 AM »
I have 16 Etlingera species listed with edible fruits.  Now I just need to check through the drawings.  I think you may be right. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Delicious unidentified fruit
« on: September 22, 2012, 06:11:14 AM »
I had not even considered that it might have come from such a plant.  This area is full of Etlingeras.  I will look into that.  Thanks.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Delicious unidentified fruit
« on: September 22, 2012, 05:23:21 AM »
Does anyone have any idea what this is?  It is a fruit purchased at a farmer's market near the equator at 900 feet elevation.

mysterious fruit

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