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Pictures of the source plants?

Edit: Found them:

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Strawberry Tree- Arbutus unedo
« on: March 11, 2019, 12:41:40 PM »
I've foraged them, never more than one bite. In my experience they're sweet, gritty, and completely lacking in acidity. The Arbutus 'Marina' fruit I've tried were a bit better, but I only tried those once. They were orange and gooey, but not gritty, reminding me a bit of orange sherbert. If I had unedo I'd let them rot on the ground. 'Marina' would probably be worth making jam out of.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pulasan trees flowering . . .
« on: February 22, 2019, 05:33:25 PM »

I'm intrigued by this trunk fusion business.
I've heard of 2 trees in one hole but hadn't thought about them fusing.

Are there particular conditions needed to make this happen? Is it desirable and/or does it have advantages over separate trees in very, very close proximity?

Not a pulasan, but I found this E. involucrata seedling(s) the other day. I'm guessing it was polyembronic and fused.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Annonaceae that are temperate
« on: February 17, 2019, 04:23:28 PM »
Lots of questions, glad I got people excited :D

On flowering on new year's growth, I have no experience, but per UsefulTropicalPlants, "Annona stenophylla is a low-growing perennial plant with spreading, underground woody rhizomes. Annual shoots up to 1 metre tall arise from the rhizome, these stems can be simple or branched and sometimes become woody and persist for more than one year" So it sounds like the answer is yes they normally fruit on first year growth. Source:

Here is a picture of it, yes in a pot. It's about 4 inches (10 cm) tall.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Annonaceae that are temperate
« on: February 17, 2019, 01:27:20 PM »
No, but I wanted to play it safe the first year with the Eugenia calycinas that are in the same pot. A few of those had tip browning, and I figured I'd cold stressed them enough for their first winter. A. stenophylla seems tough so far; it hasn't ever shown any sign of discomfort until this leaf shriveling, and the leaves just feel tough, like those of an oak. Hopefully I get some more germination this year.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Annonaceae that are temperate
« on: February 17, 2019, 12:10:53 PM »
I doubt that the hardiness of A. stenophylla has been tested much. Since it's rhizomatous, I wonder if it could tolerate much colder in a dormant state. I have one seedling, which took probably 5c in this its first winter before I moved it inside. Has not died back to the ground, though the uppermost leaf is slowly withering from the tip.

The problem is that the hillsides I'm dealing with are so steep that the grasses are too shallow rooted to hold them, and the grasses only really have vitality for a few month period before they dry out and wither.  So I'm trying to establish something that can hold the soil.  Longer term oaks or something else drought tolerant with extensive roots would work, but they are slow growing.

I think that's exactly what the native grasses do. They die back above the soil but their roots continue to hold the soil. These guys have native grasses and erosion control seed packs. I used their native wildflower mix in my yard.

I had some frost on my stuff, I get the impression they're taking it better year by year. I think it was in the upper thirties for two nights, then 31 or 32 the next two nights. I've noticed my Eugenia uniflora has had redder leaves all year, but especially now. I wonder if the cold causes it to produce more anthocyanins. It's a zill dark and I've read the dark-fruited ones have more anthocyanins in the plant just in general, but I don't think it was this red before. One of my two Eugenia sellois turned red in last winter's cold and hasn't turned back either, and the other looks remarkably healthy, aside from a few branches which seem to have aborted. Eugenia involucratas aren't showing any sign that it's even cold out. And my little grimal and red jabos are looking a bit worse for wear, aborting some branches too, but interestingly the new growth generally looks untouched. And I think my uniflora may have flower buds!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: February 08, 2019, 01:30:41 PM »
Indoors, SW-facing window, though it has some kind of tint on it.

Probably needs more light input.  Even a CFL bulb would help.  Ideally run it on a timer for 14hrs a day until its warm enough to move outdoors. 

You probably already know but its super important to thin to a single vine ASAP on those DF seedlings.  You will get the growth you want if you always remove new vines and focus all energy into 1 vine.  If you let a seedling go with many vines thry just stall out and take forever to grow. 

10-4, I think this bout of cold will be over soon and out they will go. I didn't realize it was such a priority, I have some older seedlings from a large yellow fruit which I hadn't had the heart to prune yet. I'll get on that, thank you.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: February 08, 2019, 01:10:47 PM »
Indoors, SW-facing window, though it has some kind of tint on it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: February 08, 2019, 11:48:58 AM »
So I pollinated my Bruni (Hylocereus stenopterus X Hylocereus undatus) with Selenicereus grandiflorus. The fruit was the size of a normal dragonfruit, so huge from Bruni, which I believe is directly correlated with % pollenization. My other Bruni fruits did not set. The seeds did not germinate as quickly or with as high a rate as I expect from dragonfruit. I think I planted 12-15 seeds and have three alive, all stuck at cotyledons, as they have been for four months. I had one or two others that eventually withered and died. Does anyone have insight into this? I've read about intergeneric hybridization causing embryos to abort but I don't even know what to search for. It would be nice if there were a way to stimulate them, though I don't hold out much hope for that. I'm also just curious to learn about why this happened.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Tree planted too shallowly (?)
« on: January 21, 2019, 12:12:48 PM »
They came mostly potted in the mail yeah, I think that's how deep they were. Anyways when I planted them that seemed like the correct depth, I can't say for sure why, maybe cause of the level of the discoloration on the trunks.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Tree planted too shallowly (?)
« on: January 21, 2019, 10:59:11 AM »
Most of my pawpaws were this way when they were delivered to me. I think the soil level stuff is about the right concentrations of oxygen to the feeder roots. You didn't uncover any of those so I wouldn't worry about it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What climate zone?
« on: December 29, 2018, 03:47:13 PM »
7b means average annual minimum temperature is between 5F and 10F, 8a 10F and 15F. If you're on the edge the average annual minimum temperature is probably 10F.

Could you explain the difference between Sweet Ubajay (Eugenia myrcianthes) and the new Sweet Ubajaymi (Eugenia aff myrcianthes)? The only thing I could find was that E. pyriformis is sometimes called Ubajay mi, but I think you use uvaia for that species.

Also I got the tracking number from you, but what company is the carrier?

There are a lot of the 'coppertone's planted in my area. They're usually called bronze loquat out here. They're also called fruitless loquats I think. I think they have very small fruits, with barely any flesh. I'm not certain, but they're certainly not something I ever thought had potential as an edible.

Edit: Maybe coppertone and bronze are different. I believe these are a hybrid with R. indica, not sure with which Eriobotrya species.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 'Bing' cherry blooming in fall?!
« on: November 26, 2018, 10:24:29 PM »
I wonder if it could be a fire response. Like misinterpreting smoke cover for short days.

It sounds like you want to start a jackfruit farm cause of lack of distribution in your area. I'd recommend just finding a supplier, maybe someone on the forum from Florida. I'm in northern California and I can buy it pretty cheap here, I think about $0.60/lb, so you may be able to find it cheaper there if you know where to look. Do you have a Ranch 99 near you? I know part of the fun is growing it, but you could always grow cherries or something that grows well where you are.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: My small fruit tree orchard
« on: November 23, 2018, 12:38:02 PM »
How cold does it get in Fatima?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Camu Camu forest (Myrciaria dubia)
« on: November 23, 2018, 12:34:01 PM »
:D Legit though, I didn't mean to make you think you aren't welcome. I just think the way you've said some things seems intentionally provocative. I mean what kind of response do you really expect when you post, "Hey look at these amazing plants I grew using secret methods which I won't reveal, but which are going to change the world of tropical fruit growing" on a tropical fruit forum? I think it's natural that some people will take offense.

FWIW, Finca La Isla has a big permaculture project in Costa Rica and has been doing this for thirty years. He seems like a really nice guy. Here's a tour of his place:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Camu Camu forest (Myrciaria dubia)
« on: November 23, 2018, 12:01:38 PM »
Lmao it's a conspiracy you figured it out. Finca La Isla is a Chinese agricultural technology spy agency.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: November 22, 2018, 02:56:00 PM »
I picked that Bruni fruit a while back, the one I posted a picture of. It was okay, tasted like a typical white-fleshed dragonfruit. I only ate a little bit, since I wanted the seeds, but they haven't sprouted, after about a week. It's possible I did something wrong in drying them, but I kinda doubt that. They may be infertile, since they were intergeneric hybrids.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Camu Camu forest (Myrciaria dubia)
« on: November 21, 2018, 10:50:07 AM »
I think you guys may be taking this too seriously. He said he doesn't know how much or when they'll produce, and that he spent "$1k a year for 9 years and countless hours of research". He also said they fruit in under 4 years, so you'd think he'd know when they produce, and how much. $1k a year sounds pretty darn low to me, but it would have sounded like a lot when I was a kid. Maybe this guy's legit and he really does have some super secret methods, but if he is a troll, I think you're feeding him.

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