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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Eugenias wanted
« on: August 31, 2020, 04:21:16 PM »
I have mattosii and neosilvestris

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Land size
« on: August 27, 2020, 12:29:17 AM »
Just got about 13 acres with 50 or so super sad avocados.  Going to be pimping it out with the thousands of rare subtropicals I've been accumulating.  Can't wait!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Greenhouse recommendations.
« on: August 11, 2020, 01:38:39 AM »
What are people's preferred or most optimal way to cool down a greenhouse?

I'm about to rebuild a 55 x 70 AgraTech Solar 18 with ridge vents and kind of am not too sure.

The currently accepted name is Vasconcellea palandensis.

Wish I could but I only have one male plant.

Nobody really knows on hardiness, I have a pretty soft winter where I am (might hit low 30's for a bit in winter) and it did well.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: African Breadfruit climate conditions
« on: July 21, 2020, 12:10:53 AM »
That's awesome! How large did the fruit get?

Appears to be hardy so far and it will definitely cross with V. pubescens.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Preferred irrigation in Orchard
« on: July 03, 2020, 10:01:02 AM »
I like spinners, Netafim Jr to be specific (not easy to find). The top reason is that I fertilize / improve the soil with compost and mulch and the rain provided by the spinner makes it decompose and penetrate over time. But I'm in SoCal with less natural rain than you... Also, I have hard well water and drip gets clogged over time and you can't really see that until the tree tells you and by then it's far too late. In the veggie garden I use drip and inject citric acid to keep it going plus replace about every 2 years, plus it's easier to see there... The thing I don't like about the spinners is that they tend to wet the trunk of the tree... Lots of considerations you have to weigh based on your specific requirements...

Thanks, good point about the compost and soil building. Decomposition definitely isn't happening quickly up here in the summer and it would be good to add some moisture to the system to assist in that during the hottest parts of the year.  It seems like spinners would probably be the way to go. I have high Iron and Mn so think that I'd probably have issues irrigating with drip. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How to cool a greenhouse, yeah!
« on: July 02, 2020, 01:45:56 PM »

Just checking as I'm setting up a 55 x 60 Rigid Frame Cathedral greenhouse and I am trying to decide on my cooling system.  I am familiar and have used the Evaporative walls in the past and seem to be pretty content with their results.

I'm about to be setting up a new greenhouse after having a 12 x 20 for a couple years now. 

In efforts to improve my set up I Am going to be laying weed fabric throughout the greenhouse to cover the entire floor area and about 2 feet outside of the greenhouse on all sides.  I have a lot of issues with rodents burrowing under my baseboards and think that this will help a lot to keep pests out.  I am also thinking that having the weed fabric will keep weeds down for the most part if I do a lot of overlap.  I am checking out 12 x 300' rolls so will probably double layer the 12' sections with like 8 feet of overlap.  I'm not big into plastic, but just think this will be the best solution given my situation. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How to cool a greenhouse, yeah!
« on: July 02, 2020, 11:40:43 AM »
Hey Mark,

Any reason you went with misters instead of an evaporative wall cooling system?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Preferred irrigation in Orchard
« on: July 02, 2020, 10:55:54 AM »
How's it going everyone?

I am designing out an irrigation system to be implemented into my orchard.

Currently I have a lot of mature but struggling avocado trees that I intend to interplant with a lot of other subtropicals with varying water requirements.  I am currently thinking that using Net-a-fim irrigation and spiraling around the root zones/drip lines will give me the best control on the amount of water going onto individual plants.  I am also considering doing some supplemental overhead irrigation to get water on leaves, as well as to just soak areas that would otherwise not be covered.

Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions? Would definitely be curious to hear what other people are doing.


Awesome information Jack.

Thank you!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Too much fruit harms society ?
« on: June 30, 2020, 01:31:26 PM »
For those wondering, problem with veganism is that you dont get the proper nutrients your body needs. its scientifically proven that your intelligence drops if you go vegan. You literally become an idiot. Thats just one of the downsides. It is indeed healthier to eat less meat and more plant products, but not 100% plant products. For example i'm mostly vegetarian, I eat mostly plant based meals. Most commonly rice and beans. But I still eat things such as eggs and certain dairy. And occasionally certain kinds of meats.

Hopefully you get it now.

I'd also like to see the scientific literature that 'proves' this.

You and the other guy want me to go look for the evidence? I'm not your free encyclopedia, you can go find it yourself. This isnt some facebook conspiracy. Just search it up and a number of articles will pop up.

Plus its kind of common sense.... I don't think I need to explain why it is.


I love how people just want to spout off whatever they think and feel and claim it as truth but then don't want to back it up with any evidence, like it's someone elses responsibility to prove what they said.  Such a stupid phenomenon going on.  Is it really ridiculous to support your statements? Easy answer, no.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Too much fruit harms society ?
« on: June 28, 2020, 12:53:39 AM »
Just wait until the vegans come to raid  your farm, milk your nuts and ferment it into an alcohol!

I am stocked on a bunch of 4" Guabiju seedlings that are ready to be potted up!

Contact me if you are interested in any seedlings. They are from seed of Marcos' early bearing Guabiju.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Reviving an old Avocado Orchard
« on: June 07, 2020, 10:00:37 PM »
Cool, thanks for the advice guys! I'll probably end up just getting new avocados and grafting those out in the future on my current root stock.

Do you guys have any recommendations on places to check out? I'm going to be driving through SoCal next week.  I heard Atkins is a good spot, but definitely open to finding some other cool rare stuff that is not Avocados. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Reviving an old Avocado Orchard
« on: June 07, 2020, 04:47:27 PM »
That is definitely a possibility.  I've got about 40 or so root stocks getting ready for grafting so I'll definitely be doing some replanting. I just wasn't sure how worth it it is to keep these or how vigorous the existing trees might be given their state of decline.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Reviving an old Avocado Orchard
« on: June 07, 2020, 01:23:54 PM »
Howdy everyone,

I am going to be taking on the revival of about 30-40 Avocados that were planted in about 1978, but haven't been watered for 20 years until about 2 years ago.  Most of the trees are displaying some pretty gnarly trunk damage w/ bark peeling off and dead wood being apparent almost to the ground in most cases.  The current care taker has started irrigation 2 years ago but that is about all that's been done.

The trees are sprouting from cuts about 5 or 6 feet off the ground, and in some cases just coming up from the roots while a dead trunk stands above them. 

Does anyone have any suggestions on the best course of action?

I am considering stump cutting some immediately but wonder if I should wait until next spring when conditions are a little less extreme, (not very extreme, but 80* days and bright direct sun). After stump cutting I'll be grafting a bunch of new varieties on.  Currently they are all Bacon.  I'll be mulching heavily with wood chips, horse manure, and compost when they come into my posession.

I have only male plants. Been crossing them with pubescens, Horovitzia cnidoscloides, and quercifolia (hopefully) haha.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wax Jambu Challenge- Arizona
« on: May 29, 2020, 11:35:39 AM »
That tree is not a Myrtaceae, SeaWalnut.

Myrtaceae have opposite leaf arrangement and that is alternate.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: USDA Aphis Small Lot Seeds Permit
« on: May 26, 2020, 12:35:34 AM »
Yep, the process is really, very easy!

Application will be accepted within a couple days to a week I'd say.

You don't need species name and can just do genus spp.
like Plinia spp.

They send you a more detailed list of what is needed from the exporter when your permit is accepted. It's also good to refer to the requirements posted on the USDA website.


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: rose apple seedlings 4-sale
« on: May 23, 2020, 10:17:35 AM »
Hey PAtrick,

Super interested in your rose apple pack!

How's it everyone?

Just listed a few rad rare plants! I'll be posting some more diverse items in the near future!

B. salicifolius
E. neosilvestris
U. chamae

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pitangatuba part 2
« on: May 05, 2020, 09:41:57 AM »
You murdered that thing but it might come back from the roots

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