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Nice! One of my Nelitas has begun flowering as well. I know of one other persons who have also.  Pretty cool to see multiple different people getting fruit and flowers on plants that are consistently 3 years old! Thats some good data.

Hey Barath,

I'm kind of in a similar situation looking for that perfect microclimate and chunk of land. What resources did you find to be most helpful in determining the climate?  I've been using plantmaps and weather underground to try and get data, although, due to the high density of variable microclimates its hard to truly get a good depiction of what I might be dealing with.  Plant communities seem to be some of the most telling factors for me now.

Also, thanks for the rad plants you gave me at the DVC sale a few years ago!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can anyone Identify this Eugenia ?
« on: March 19, 2020, 11:30:37 AM »
Eugenia ligustrina perhaps?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Membership
« on: March 11, 2020, 12:29:58 AM »
Yep, I am! haha

To be honest, I'm starting to wonder if seawalnut is actually a silvercarp

I feel like there should be a disclaimer attached to seawalnuts "eutrophisation" posts. Unsupported argument by internet dude, beware!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best P fertiliser
« on: January 29, 2020, 09:53:07 AM »
I think that if we released more humans into lake Erie they would eat all of the algae blooms and phosphorous
 Humans have no impact on any ecology and are only good. Highly reccomend. Oh yeah, the phosphorous magically bonds to bones which is why that happens.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iguana removal opportunity with the cold
« on: January 26, 2020, 10:01:12 AM »
Well alrighty then. It was a good time trying to talk to you.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iguana removal opportunity with the cold
« on: January 25, 2020, 07:47:57 PM »
Control of eutrophication by silver carp (Hypophthalmichthys molitrix)
in the tropical Parano6 Reservoir (Brasilia, Brazil): a mesocosm

Summary: Ex-situ experiment, meaning that it was conducted in fish tanks and is observing solely phytoplankton and chemical variables.  They did not find that the carp affected the concentrations of Phosphorous, although they did consume high amounts of phytoplankton specifically. 

Compared to your claims: Did not remove phosphorous as you had stated, no evidence or tests on effects of ecology of aquatic ecosystems. 

Biological manipulation of eutrophication in West Yangchen Lake

Summary: Conducted in situ, in a lake in China,  in enclosures.  Testing the density of Silver-carp on phytoplankton density and increasing water quality.  They found that Silvercarp are responsible for limiting algal blooms when they are stocked at a higher density.

Compared to your claims: Yes, they can control algal blooms.  There is no mention of the effects they have on the greater ecology of the lake( other organisms within the ecosystem and how they interact).

The last link is a book compiling endless information about the Biomanipulation of environments to meet end goals of cleaning up eutrophication.  A few points mentioned bring up the fact that they are using SilverCarp to outcompete and balance a lake invaded by Tilapia, which contributes to the eutrophication.  There is no discussion of the overall ecology and this book speaks directly to eutrophication.  I cant access the whole book because my Universities database doesn't have access.   

So far, your point that invasive species are political and that Silver Carp have no effect on native populations/ecology has no support.

Your claim that silvercarp assist in control of algal blooms is valid and supported.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iguana removal opportunity with the cold
« on: January 25, 2020, 12:44:56 PM »
Sorry Seawalnut, I'm done reading about your opinion. But if you would like to send me some sources that have legitimate arguments I'd love to read them.

Spreading misinformation on the internet is dangerous, people will believe anyone who sounds knowledgable on a subject. Being able to back up claims with evidence is important in protecting the integrity of science and not exploiting those who might not totally understand a subject.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iguana removal opportunity with the cold
« on: January 25, 2020, 11:57:47 AM »
15 to 20 percent? that's a pretty specific statement, still no sources to support that?


Some light reading:

A published article:
Positive and Negative Impacts of Non-Native Bee Species around the World
Laura Russo

Asian Carp:
This article specifically contradicts you, mentioning that the Asian Carp competes for food (plankton) and space with native species.
Let me know if you would like more, this was a quick google search that allowed me to add credibility to my argument rather than more anecdotal emotion.

Aphids are sucking/piercing insects and they defecate a honey dew. It's not nectar from bees.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iguana removal opportunity with the cold
« on: January 25, 2020, 09:35:04 AM »
Sorry sea walnut, your opinion is baseless without support. That's the problem nowadays, people spew their opinion like it's a fact all over the internet but have no actual support. I see so many holes in your argument but you ignore them completely. You keep saying the same thing but ignore the greater ecology of the ecosystems you speak of.

Also, honeybees are actually displacing native bees! They forage and obtain resources that native bees would otherwise use. It's not something most people know about because we treasure the honey bee so much. Plant native species and create habitats that support native bee populations!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iguana removal opportunity with the cold
« on: January 25, 2020, 01:45:06 AM »
Well, I think you are glossing over major parts and focusing only on one small piece of the cycle. Do you have any sources or papers to support your claims of jumping asian carpet being harmless to other wildlife? Or any sources?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iguana removal opportunity with the cold
« on: January 25, 2020, 01:03:01 AM »
I read through them but those statements are focusing on a single aspect but ignore the ecology of the lake. Yeah eutrophication is bad, but it is seasonal and in large part leaves the ecological dynamics that have been long established intact.  It sounds like you are talking about "permaculture" solutions to "ecological" problems. 

What do ecologists or politicians have to gain from not having this exotic carp species in lake Michigan that makes it so political?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iguana removal opportunity with the cold
« on: January 24, 2020, 11:59:00 PM »
Oh nice, well then maybe you can educate me with some evidence to support your stance?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iguana removal opportunity with the cold
« on: January 24, 2020, 05:41:19 PM »
Iguanas are most likely native to Florida since they are native  to Cuba( a few species).
There are even iguana fossils found in somme Florida shales.
If your affraid of Salmonella,then never eat ducks or duck eggs and hope that a duck wont poo in your pool while flying.
This hype about ,,invasive,,specie its political and has nothing to do with ecology.I think its just people that are manipulated by politicians to hate something so that it unites them,like hating immigrants or certain religious or semitic comunityes.
Funny its that the hate hits back as you can see these ,, rioters ecologists,, wreak havoc their own country land and do more harm than good because its politics not science at the base of their ideology.

I am sure I have posted it in response to a similar comment in the past but here  goes again.

The green Iguana is not native to Florida.

Regarding invasives, what can I say in response to your statement, sometimes it is best to shut up and shake your head.  But it is not this time.  I live in Florida and see the damage from invasives, even plants, can do.  When some species are released into places where they have no predators and especially can reproduce is large numbers, they cause havoc.
The pythons in South Florida significantly reduced the population of fur-bearing animals in a most un-natural way  - read this if you care ( Snakes made it to Guam and they did a non-political number - read if you care (

If you were just trolling for a reaction, OK, you got me.  .. but you contribute such interesting and mostly factual info that I couldn't ignore this.  People may believe it based your creds.
I apologise if it looked like trolling.And no,im not trolling.
Green iguana its not native to Florida until you find a green iguana fossil that will change everything.
We did it here recently with jackals that are considered invasive until somewhone found somme jackal fossil ( not even a fossil but like just 3000 years old remains) and now its a native animal.
What im saying its that science not politics should be used to asses the ecological role of an invasive specie.
Sadly its the politics that rule the science.
Off course there are bad invasive species too but not all should be considered the same.
Invasive earth worms are a blessing for the enviroment while the snake head fish in Florida i think its the worst invader a country can get.
Iguanas can be good to the native ecosystems in Florida because they spread native flora seeds.Its the opposite of the snakes examples in the links youve posted.
Maybe iguanas eat those endangered Florida paw paws and spread their seeds.This could be important because the giant sloth that used to ate the pawpaws and disperse their seeds is extinct.

Invasive earthworms alter the ecology of environments they are not native too and can cause decomposition rates that are not what they were. This alters the micro biology and beyond. I am a restoration ecologist and have done work in temperate and tropical systems. If you think invasive species are political then you obviously have no understanding of invasive species ecology or likely ecology in general. I can send you some papers and provide you heaps of anecdotal evidence that invasive species destroy habitats for all organisms that are native and once occupied those areas.

The listing is ending shortly!

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Campomanesia hirsuta, Giant Guabiroba
« on: January 12, 2020, 12:03:21 AM »
How's it going TFF?

Going to list just a couple of these over the next couple months. Check the link for a description and let me know if you have any questions.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Mexicola avocado seeds
« on: December 12, 2019, 04:02:35 PM »
Just harvested like 60 or so of these fruits. Pretty good flavor on these as well!

Or "lazy"/"convenient" agriculture.

Is that the one from the first page that was unidentified? 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Psidium firmum... anyone growing it?
« on: December 04, 2019, 11:08:12 AM »
Looks like my P. firmum

The Brazilian Shark takes great care of his plants and I highly reccomend purchasing from him! He is awesome and so are his plants!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Organic Orchard Floor Management
« on: December 02, 2019, 10:28:37 AM »
Really awesome to see what you did and I hope that whoever purchases your property will have the desire to uphold a natural and wild sustained system!  I'm trying to put something similar to this in action in my small scale yard (1/4 acre).  I have removed all signs of what was a flat barron lawn landscape and added texture and definition to the landscape to help move water. I have then used native bunch grasses and annual wildflowers to create a living green manure that supports native organisms and my rad subtropical fruits.

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