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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is cherimoya better than atemoya?
« on: October 25, 2017, 01:38:18 PM »
In what climate Atemoya grow that Cherimoya doesn't?
Doesn't Cherimoya grow in tropical climate too?

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I would like to recommend Tong! Seeds of Lakoocha arrived in perfect conditions, packaged carefully and almost all already germinated.
Will definitively buy again.

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All my vegetable had very poor yield.
Citrus due to extreme heat didn't take a single fruit and the plants were always suffering.
Jujube second year in the ground, the first year had a few fruit, this year zero.
Lost all pear to one of the few storm. Ok for apricot, apples and hardy kiwi.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Black sapote opinions
« on: September 08, 2017, 06:57:07 AM »
Is it true that takes almost 1 year to ripen? Are there faster varieties?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Mangifera altissima seeds.
« on: September 01, 2017, 01:59:38 AM »
Was anybody able to get viable seed?
I received 3 packages of this but they always arrived rotten so I gave up.

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But isn't the cambium green? The cut looks white to me...
I watched the video and was puzzled too, but I think I understand what's the catch you are missing.
You are watching the exposed wood in the video, but what he is trying to match is the cambium in the unexposed part where the scion is inserted.
He basically made a cut just as deep as the bark, meaning the scion is in direct contact with the cambium.
Basically what he did is the same as this, with the exception that he didn't cut the whole branch:


The confusing part is that he made that huge cut but I guess that is just for convenience to make the scion move less.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: What Grafting Can Do
« on: August 26, 2017, 03:47:20 PM »
First time they show the actual tree and not just some render but that didn't seem the 40 one.
By the way I have always wondered with many varieties the tree will get no rest,it will continuously flower and fruit ,won't it stress the tree and die prematurely?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not impressed with Ice Cream banana
« on: August 24, 2017, 12:54:41 PM »
I don't have it, but I often read people saying that you don't want the real ice cream, cause it's much worse than the fake one, not good tasting.

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How well do Annona scion travel? Are they viable for many days?

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Hi,
Do you have Pouteria torta gallifructa and Pouteria Viridis:
http://floracostaricensis.myspecies.info/taxonomy/term/27159/media

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Looking for banana pups
« on: August 14, 2017, 03:06:14 AM »
I bought Rajapuri, Dajiao and dwarf cavendish from here:
http://www.palmenverkoop.nl/shop/
They are very very cheap and the plants aren't small at all.
These are picture of when they arrived and I potted them. Several of them are already double the size in a month.


Otherwise I never bought from them but other reliable one where people I know have bought are:
http://www.palmscenter.de/
http://www.frosthartepalmen.de

Also there is a friend in Sicily(Italy) who sells banana pup, but I don't know if he sell abroad. Let me know if you want the contact.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: looking for lucuma
« on: August 11, 2017, 09:30:56 AM »
Last year I've sold and trade a lot of Lucuma seeds. The variety I have seems to be "La Molina".
Should have seeds in a month or so.
Hi, how long does it take from flower to mature fruit?Does it continue to mature with cold weather?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« on: August 01, 2017, 07:08:59 AM »

The guy is not from Portugal; he is from Kerala only.
I don't think A. hirsutus will flower in 3 years.
One more thing: he is living in the HOTTEST part of Kerala (ie., Punalur). Temperature won't fall below 20C in Punalur and goes upto around 44C.

I am not sure we are talking of the same person, did you see the link?
Yes, I made a mistake on the location but not much. He is from Canary Island in Spain. This is the link on the weather he gave me previously, which you can see on the comments:
http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920
Oh, I get it, since I posted a search link probably you see a different thing. Try this:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/
He should be a member here too.

Dear friend, seeing the pictures, I doubt if it is A. hirsutus!

Why do you think so?

In the picture, the flowers are round. But, A. hirsutus flowers are cylindrical (much more elongated than that of Jackfruit).
Also, the leaves look different.

A picture compilation of Wild Jack is given below. The image is already there in some previous posts of the Forum.




Your seed looks much different than mine, yours resemble a lot jackfruit, while mine are smaller and more elongated.
I think being a wild species there is a lot of diversity.
The guy who sold me the seeds had multiple varieties (different fruits) and the seeds were quite different and recognizable. Now however the seedlings are all the same and I can't distinguish them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« on: August 01, 2017, 06:21:19 AM »
The guy is not from Portugal; he is from Kerala only.
I don't think A. hirsutus will flower in 3 years.
One more thing: he is living in the HOTTEST part of Kerala (ie., Punalur). Temperature won't fall below 20C in Punalur and goes upto around 44C.

I am not sure we are talking of the same person, did you see the link?
Yes, I made a mistake on the location but not much. He is from Canary Island in Spain. This is the link on the weather he gave me previously, which you can see on the comments:
http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920
Oh, I get it, since I posted a search link probably you see a different thing. Try this:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/
He should be a member here too.

Dear friend, seeing the pictures, I doubt if it is A. hirsutus!

Why do you think so?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« on: August 01, 2017, 05:16:10 AM »
The guy is not from Portugal; he is from Kerala only.
I don't think A. hirsutus will flower in 3 years.
One more thing: he is living in the HOTTEST part of Kerala (ie., Punalur). Temperature won't fall below 20C in Punalur and goes upto around 44C.

I am not sure we are talking of the same person, did you see the link?
Yes, I made a mistake on the location but not much. He is from Canary Island in Spain. This is the link on the weather he gave me previously, which you can see on the comments:
http://www.meteoclimatic.net/perfil/ESICA3500000135100A?screen_width=1920
Oh, I get it, since I posted a search link probably you see a different thing. Try this:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/
He should be a member here too.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« on: August 01, 2017, 04:10:30 AM »
In June 1985 the Livestock Research Station in Tiruvazhamkunnu in Palghat ( now called Palakkad ), Kerala initiated a field experiment planting eight fast growing multi purpose trees including Artocarpus hirsutus. Each of the eight species were planted separately in a lot of 20 m x 20 m and at 2 m x 2 m from each other.
In October 1993 the mean height of the Artocarpus hirsutus were 5.5 m and the age of the trees were 8 years and 6 months.

Is that of Areca palm seedling in the back ground of the second picture? Is it missing in the background of the accompanying first picture? I have planted in zone 13 in Latitude 13 degrees 17 ' 09" N and 74 degrees 44' 40" E in ideal humid, hot tropical monsoon climatic area, two ( not one as I mentioned before ) seedlings of A. hirsutus 6 1/2 years ago. They are about 10 feet tall with a diameter of about 4 inches. At the same time I have planted two A. altilis, one A. camanci and 4 A. heterophylus. Most of them are about 20 feet in height and already fruiting. A. hirsutus seedlings will probably fruit after 15 to 20 years.
One of the two A. hirsutus ( I have to find during my next visit where the other one is ) my brother planted about 45 years ago is about 50 to 55 feet in height and about 12" in diameter. It started fruiting about 15 to 20 years ago. And the yearly temperature there is between 70 F to 90 F with high humidity and ample monsoon rain.
I don't see the reason why vipinrl should be lying. Maybe there are different cultivars of hirsutus with different growth pace.

This is a facebook post of a guy in portugal with an Artocarpus Hirsutus flowering at 3 years old, with minimum temp of 12 degrees celsius:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/amantesdefrutales/permalink/1912316392337558/

EDITED LINK

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« on: July 31, 2017, 03:00:10 AM »
Seem a lot of different information. I guess we'll see about cold hardiness this year, as I have several seedling in the ground.
Too bad if they don't pick up the pace, the experiment will be quite useless since most of them are a little more than weed and will stand zero chance, wasn't expecting this.

3 year old Wild jackfruit seedling.
Woa, that's huge. When do they start picking up the pace?After one year?


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« on: July 27, 2017, 02:26:17 PM »
Artocarpus hirsutis: Not seen growing in beyond 16 degrees latitude in the Southern coastal and adjoining plateau of tropical India. It will not tolerate less than 60 degrees F. It was a non cultivated tree found wild in the woods and forests. Propagated by the wildlife mainly by bats, monkeys, squirrels and birds. Because of it's high quality wood and demand most of the old trees have disappeared. It is a VERY SLOW growing majestic tree. The unripe fruit is green and is skinned and boiled and preserved in brine for later usage in some kind of curries.
You need a hot and humid tropical and 'woody' environment. In your zone 9a you have to build a huge green house with regulated high temperature and humidity throughout the year..
I have been travelling twice a year to those areas in India for the last 50+ years. It's fruiting season is April to June. About 6 years ago while I was visiting India I carefully dug up a 9" seedling from under one of our big A h tree and transplanted about 200 feet or so from the river bank (salty backwater) in our family estate. It is about 7 to 8 feet tall in last March I saw it. Probably it will take another 15 years or so to fruit unlike it's cousin Jack! I will be a centenarian then! I have recommended few horticulturists in that region  to make available some grafted trees. Will find out soon during my next visit what happened. Good luck Signor.
It is slow growing, indeed. Since the last update 1 month ago it has grown probably another 5cm and is around 17-18 cm(top grower) now, against 45cm of a jackfruit in 1 month(top grower).
The fruiting time and cold hardiness is not what I have been told, they told me it fruit in 5 years and is more cold hardy than jackfruit and can survive -2/-3 degrees.

NEW Season fruit seeds from my Farm SALE or Trade...
Wild Jack Fruit seeds (Artocarpus hirsutus) ...
Hari, Can you comment on this?

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Lots of chucte fruits dropping from the tree right now. You can see a comparison with chucte on left and avocado on right. They look pretty much like avocado except for the nipple on the bottom. The seed inside is also a lot targer than most avocado seeds.


Cool fruit! Picture of the inside?
Your opinion on the taste?

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I live in the middle of Italy, where temperature in the winter normally goes to 0/-2 degrees in the coldest months(normally december/january) but this year was exceptionally cold and we went to -5 and even had a late frost in May.
Temperature wise I should be in 9b, but they say our 9b is different cause our winter is longer and with more prolonged low temps, so probably more like 9a or less.
You need to consider also that other than the tree also the fruit need to survive, Hass take almost one year to mature the fruit and a lot can happen in this time.
Bacon is one of the earliest, should take around 8 months. Mexican varieties usually are smaller and take like 6 months.
Can't remember how long Fuerte, but I heard it's not a constant bearer, don't know if it is true.

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Beautiful garden, looks like around here with the rosemary and such.

I hope you're not planning on keeping those avocado trees that close?  With the exception of a few "dwarfs" they'll need 3 meters in width apart and will eventually grow 10m. tall.
Thanks! As I said above, I am trying to graft them together to create a multirootstock, don't have space for 2 avocado trees anyway. The photo is outdated, now they are approach grafted, hopefully it will take.

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Here are the plants I bought there. The bacon was bent due to the shipment to fit a 2m box.
I didn't straighten it, because I feared to damage it and because I didn't want it that tall. Hopefully it will branch from the middle.
The Walter Hole is shooting from the roots. Please keep in mind that Walter Hole in this case is like a regular seedling so it should take as much as a seedling to start fruiting, several years. The graft if survive should produce much sooner.


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@Christian

Thank you for the link. I might just decide to go for Hass or some of the other varieties offered there. Aren't those rootstocks from trees that were grown from seed? If that's the case, than maybe it would be cheaper for me to just buy a seed and grow it myself? Though I might end up with something that's not of good quality...

Yes, they are seedling but are already quite developed so maybe you'll have better chance with them.
Mine was one 2m and the other 1.5m, 3 years old. I am trying to combine them in a multi rootstock to speed up everything.
Sure there should be some variability but not much if they use it often as rootstock. The problem is always finding the seed if you want to grow it yourself.
I would advice going for Bacon if you plan to keep the graft too, since Hass is really cold sensitive.
Otherwise in Spain or some Italian nursery you can find avocado on clonal rootstocks of Dusa or Duke 3 which should be quite cold hardy, probably near Mexicola but the quality of the fruit doesn't seem great so you need to hope the graft doesn't die. Instead Walter Hole should have a taste like Mexicola with edible skin and all.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Artocarpus Hirsutus
« on: June 25, 2017, 06:24:13 AM »
Here are the seedling growing. The plastic cup is to cover from direct light in peak hours.
1-Directly in the ground. One dried but the other is doing fine:

2-Some between Calla flowers to cover from direct light, too bad the Calla is drying from too much heat, so kinda pointless.
One of them is sprouting two plants, is it normal? Out of 20 seeds only this did it.

My top performer in a bag in house, around 15 cm. The top performer in the ground is around 10-12cm and it's the one where I used very light potting soil, the same mix I used to germinate them. So don't do the same mistake as me if you plan to sow directly in the ground, use good starter soil.


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