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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Need Id: Garcinia
« on: September 11, 2015, 04:53:40 PM »

 Hi Miguel.
 Thanks, let's not count your chickens before they're hatched...
 Those pea sized fruits might still fall...

 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Need Id: Garcinia
« on: September 11, 2015, 08:49:44 AM »

 Hi,

 I would like to identify the Rheedia/Garcinia in the pictures below...

 I have a pair of them and the largest one seems to have set its first fruits.

 They are probably 10 years old or more and are slow growers,
 probably from being crowded and shaded by 3 larger achachairus ,
 which despite being much larger have yet to bloom (grrrr).

 Anyways, I had thought/hoped these plants were Luc's mexican garcinia, but the leaves look too round
 compared to those that people have posted in the forum of Luc's limoncillo. So, it must something else,
 probably Garcinia xanthochymus, Garcinia tinctoria, which I did grow from seed.
 
Opinions?

 

Overall look of the plant. Achachairu's in the background.


Small fruits forming...




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Stuart, I'm curious how you'd recommend growing Marula once it reaches a certain size.  I have them in 15 gallon pots, and they are growing like crazy (one is probably 4 feet tall not including the pot height, only sprouted 9 months ago).  Is that normal and ok to let it keep growing in a pot?

My concern is that the location I'm growing it at will get mild frost in winter (probably at worst a couple of degrees below freezing), and we're also expected to get some heavy (cold) rains because of El Nino.  My main consideration is whether it will fruit in a large pot or whether it needs to be in the ground.

Thanks!

I have a pair of fruiting marulas (male + female) at 37º N, South Portugal.
Sadly, the fruits I get are small, the seed is large and the rind is thick.
There's very little to eat, but they are juicy with a rather nice flavor.

In a another location, that experiences frost, I kept some plants, from the same seed lot. They would freeze to the ground
every year. When leafed out, marula is not really hardy. Maybe if they enter dormancy sooner that might help them cope with the cold...

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Congratulations! How was the flavour?  ;)

Not worth the wait, which was around 10 years from seed...

A very thin shell of juicy tart stuff. Maybe selected cultivars are much better than seedlings?

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Should work. This summer I got first fruits from a seedling, growing at 37º North.
These plants were grown for several years under plastic, in a greenhouse. Three years
ago, the original plastic was replaced with mosquito netting. Now it rains inside
and in the winter temperatures are pretty much the same as outside, except that
there's less wind, of which we have quite a bit. Since the removal of the plastic
the mamoncillos loose some of the leaves, but flush new growth and flowers
late Spring once it is hot again.

Here's a picture of one of the fruits and my dirty hand  :D



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jackfruit seedlings doing awesome
« on: July 04, 2015, 07:34:15 AM »
Does Jackfruit grow and bear fruit even in Ca? I thought it would grow only in Miami area !? Am I wrong?
If it was possible in Ca, there should be some chance even in the wamest are of Italy?


Hi Delvi83,

I picked this one today, grown in Southern Portugal. 6.8 Kg.
It's a seedling from seeds I got from Oscar.
My plant is not exactly outdoors (it's under mosquito netting), but I know of some plants growing outdoors, nearby,
that are doing fine. Moreover, there are reports of fruiting jackfruits in Malaga, Southern Spain.

So, there's plenty of evidence it might do well in Sicily, Calabria, etc.






Yes, as I know Malaga has the warmest climate of Europe....and it's not affected by siberian winds (Buran). I also partecipate in some italian's forums and Sicilian guys told me that Jackfruit doesn't grow well, it could pass a two winters if they are not to cold, but it will be killed within few years and even if not, they won't be able to ripen the fruits before winter comes...

Maybe there are some cultivars more cold-resistant ?!!


According to Oscar, these seeds are from the Black Gold cultivar, which is said to handle cold better than regular strains.

Looking at the climate averages for Sicily, I would expect jackfruit to have good chances. However, I believe that
keeping the plant for a few years in a greenhouse to gain some size before exposing it fully to the elements would help a lot.
Moreover, planting a bunch of seeds is also important to select a vigorous plant. It is often the case that seedlings
from the same seed lot perform rather differently.






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jackfruit seedlings doing awesome
« on: July 04, 2015, 07:24:19 AM »
Does Jackfruit grow and bear fruit even in Ca? I thought it would grow only in Miami area !? Am I wrong?
If it was possible in Ca, there should be some chance even in the wamest are of Italy?


Hi Delvi83,

I picked this one today, grown in Southern Portugal. 6.8 Kg.
It's a seedling from seeds I got from Oscar.
My plant is not exactly outdoors (it's under mosquito netting), but I know of some plants growing outdoors, nearby,
that are doing fine. Moreover, there are reports of fruiting jackfruits in Malaga, Southern Spain.

So, there's plenty of evidence it might do well in Sicily, Calabria, etc.







Hello Sergio,
how many years passed from planting seed for the tree to bear fruits?


Hi,

I bought the seeds from Oscar in June 2008.
Male blooms appeared first late winter/early spring two years before the first female flowers.
The first female flowers and two fruits formed September 2014. A second tree also produced
one female flower last year but no fruit developed.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jackfruit seedlings doing awesome
« on: July 03, 2015, 06:24:35 PM »
Does Jackfruit grow and bear fruit even in Ca? I thought it would grow only in Miami area !? Am I wrong?
If it was possible in Ca, there should be some chance even in the wamest are of Italy?


Hi Delvi83,

I picked this one today, grown in Southern Portugal. 6.8 Kg.
It's a seedling from seeds I got from Oscar.
My plant is not exactly outdoors (it's under mosquito netting), but I know of some plants growing outdoors, nearby,
that are doing fine. Moreover, there are reports of fruiting jackfruits in Malaga, Southern Spain.

So, there's plenty of evidence it might do well in Sicily, Calabria, etc.





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Campomanesia guazumaefiolia
« on: July 02, 2015, 07:08:37 PM »

 Pretty plant with rather nice white flowers.  However,
 the fruit is small and has a pasty consistency, with quite a few seeds and
 there's nothing remarkable about its taste.
 
 You can safely skip it, unless you are a collector with lots of space.
 

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 "Torta" could be intended to mean "bent", which does not sound so weird given the way the fruit looks...

In Portuguese, "torta/torto" comes from Latin "tortu" and is used when something is, indeed, "bent".
Still, "torta" is used also for "rolled cakes", specifically, which kind of makes sense...they sure
need to be rolled/bent into shape...  ;D


 

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Sergio, how old was that seedling green sapote before it fruited?

Checked the Paypal receipt and it's from Apr. 8, 2009 02:32:31 PDT.
First bloom produced a small fruit that aborted.
The second bloom produced 8 fruits that are ripening now, while the tree is finishing its third bloom.

I sowed the seeds in tall pots. I planted this one well before it became root bound.

I never pruned it and allowed it to branch naturally. Consequently, the tree is tall and first branches are
at about 1.5 m. It has been a rather fast grower.

On the down side, it shows some chlorosis from my alkaline soil and water.
I give it chelated micros from time to time.




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Yay! One full year later, green sapotes are ripening and they are tasty!



Great to hear Sergio! Are they from seeds i sent you?
BTW, are you stealing my dishes? Have same exact dishes over here?!  ???


Yes Oscar. It's from the seeds you sent me.
A second tree that I gave to a friend, from the same batch, just finished blooming. It's
the second time it blooms and we're hoping some will set...

Looks like this species is perfectly adaptable to the subtropics.

Mamey grows much more slowly in my climate and is prone to some winter dieback.
I have a grafted Pantin that I now doubt will be able to hold its fruits in the winter, if and when it ever decides to bloom.

edit: corrected Pantin spelling...




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Yay! One full year later, green sapotes are ripening and they are tasty!




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 Why is it that crappy fruit are also some of the toughest?

 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple in Europe
« on: June 14, 2015, 05:41:29 PM »
I have been researching about Pineapple cultivation and so far things don't fully add up in terms of the geographies where it is currently being done. Let me explain:

For the most part, we know that pineapple grows well only in tropical regions. A few exceptions that I know of are the Azores (although they do it in greenhouses there), South Africa and Australia. It's true that parts of both SA and Australia (for example, Darwin) indeed have tropical climates but let's take a concrete non-tropical example: Wamuran, Queensland, Australia (map here https://goo.gl/BjeOBC).

There is massive production going on there (http://www.pinata.com.au/our-farms/wamuran-queensland) but looking at the climate of Wamuran (http://weather.mla.com.au/climate-history/qld/wamuran) we can see that from May to October its average mean is often well below 15ºC. Just this month the place has reached a low of 5.3ºC.

In Cartagena, Spain there is ongoing research trying to cultivate pineapple outside of greenhouses (http://www.laverdad.es/murcia/20140401/local/region/garcia-carrion-prepara-salto-201404011922.html) but apparently that isn't very easy beacause their plan now is to find a way of developing the fruit to maturity in 8 months only, in order to skip the winter months.

But looking at the climate of Cartagena (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartagena,_Spain#Climate) I get the impression that the average mins are very similar to those of Wamuran.

To finish off such a long post, the question is: Why is it so hard to cultivate pineapples in mainland Europe when there are places where we can climates similar to that of Wamuran ?

Hi Zé,

It's not exactly hard. It's not profitable or competitive with cheap imports from tropical regions.
I'm sure you noticed that imported pineapples are rather cheap, often costing around 70 cents per kilo, including taxes, in Portugal.


 

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 I would have a hard time naming a fruit that I really dislike, except this one.

 It's hideous.

Hello Sergio,
didn't know you have one fruiting... is it the narrow or large leaf type?


I remember to have seen one of these trees on a Botanical garden in Lisbon some time ago... it was a big tree and it should have fruits right now.
Do you know this tree?

I'd say mine is a broad leaf type, probably from Helton, although I'm not sure.
It refused to die when I tried to remove it and planted an avocado next to it.
It does not even show the signs of chlorosis that pretty much every other Eugenia shows
with the soil I have...Grrr.

Don't recall noticing this species in the botanical garden. Which one do you mean, exactly?

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 I would have a hard time naming a fruit that I really dislike, except this one.

 It's hideous.

 

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The text also says that Talisia esculenta can cause similar poisoning symptoms.

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 Could it be we're talking about hybrid forms, involving M. aureana.

 I got some seeds from Helton a few years ago and planted two seedlings in the same
 hole. The leaves are very similar, yet one produces red/black fruits and the other produces
 green fruits, very  much resembling the descriptions of M. aureana.

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 Hi,

 Mine is around 8 years old from seed and put its first flowers last Autumn. Sadly, it set no fruits.
 Do I need a second plant?

 In my experience, it does not like alkaline conditions/hard water, especially when young.
 Mine flushes beautiful glossy green leaves with the first Autumn rains.
 

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Given that I've previously killed a number of tropicals by my growth environment getting too hot and humid without me noticing... that, I can manage  ;)  My main concerns are more about how needy they are about root space and light. Fruit set with the plant in a 30L pot? Really, 30L, not 30 gallon? If so, then just, wow, that's a tiny pot for a fruiting tree. I'd be glad to give them four times the root space, maybe then they'd be happier about giving decent fruit.

30 liters - we're metric down here.

At one time, I had lots of plants on 30L pots.
Can you imagine how ridiculous a 4 meter Jacaratia spinosa looks on a 30 L pot  ;D ;D

Sure, larger pots will make a difference for the better, except for your back...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: watering papayas
« on: January 17, 2015, 04:37:55 AM »
 I believe you can err on the side of dryness rather than the opposite.

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Hi Karen,

I got flowers on potted specimens (30L) at an height of 2 meters or so. It took them around
2 years to reach that size. Indeed, they are fast growers when happy.

Getting them to set fruit was another story. I only got a couple of small, poor quality fruit out of them.
They need a warm, humid environment to set fruit.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Papaya Relative Thread
« on: January 09, 2015, 04:41:12 AM »

Sorry, you were correct. I got confused for a bit. The sexes are separate.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Multi species plant fusion
« on: January 09, 2015, 04:37:37 AM »
I'm not understanding the significance of this discovery in advancing fruiting plants.
It's saying gene exchange could occur if you plant something like a fig and a papaya together. It's not saying it will definitely occur and nothing about the speed at which it will occur.

My mother always thinks if I graft a sweet orange onto a lemon I'll get sour oranges. I think that's just wishful thinking. What would be the point of grafting if that's true?

Tell your mother that if you graft some ice cubes onto a lemon tree you will also get lemonade.  ;)

Don't be silly Oscar, you can graft ice cubes. Besides, everyone knows that one grafts a lemon to an ice plant to get lemonade.

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