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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Papaya Relative Thread
« on: January 08, 2015, 10:33:47 PM »
Quote from: KarenRei on January 08, 2015, 07:52:43 PM
Quote from: siafu on January 08, 2015, 07:10:11 PM

Hi,

I experimented with C. monoica. I neglected it to death after trying the fruit: Very BLAND, not taste whatsoever.

C. godoutiana is better. The fruits are small with white flesh and redish skin. They have a very pleasant smell
and taste fine if sweetened. I lost my plants to root rot, after a very wet winter.

I still have a fruiting group of C. x pubescens of unknown mixed heritage (seeds from New Zealand).
The fruits are ripening now and fall to the ground when yellow. They have an intense exotic fragrance that I quite enjoy.
They are a bit tart and also lack sweetness, but with some sugar they are rather good.  Better still, they make
an excellent juice on their own. Blended with some mandarine the result is really, really excellent.

Interesting - thanks for the info, Siafu! Sounds like I should try harder to get a pubescens female (yours are all monoecious, right?), and if I can't get seeds, then maybe use a female monoica to backbreed into pubescens.

No. My C. godoutiana and C. x pubescens  are dioicous.


CORRECTION: Indeed. They have sexes on separate plants.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Papaya Relative Thread
« on: January 08, 2015, 07:10:11 PM »

Hi,

I experimented with C. monoica. I neglected it to death after trying the fruit: Very BLAND, not taste whatsoever.

C. godoutiana is better. The fruits are small with white flesh and redish skin. They have a very pleasant smell
and taste fine if sweetened. I lost my plants to root rot, after a very wet winter.

I still have a fruiting group of C. x pubescens of unknown mixed heritage (seeds from New Zealand).
The fruits are ripening now and fall to the ground when yellow. They have an intense exotic fragrance that I quite enjoy.
They are a bit tart and also lack sweetness, but with some sugar they are rather good.  Better still, they make
an excellent juice on their own. Blended with some mandarine the result is really, really excellent.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Multi species plant fusion
« on: January 05, 2015, 04:31:56 PM »
Hi,

This reminds me of protoplast fusion, a technique that can create hybrids of plants
that otherwise would not cross.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seed germination: your thoughts?
« on: December 25, 2014, 07:17:08 PM »
 In the height of my addiction, when I sowed left and right, I became convinced that
seeds that got mold never germinated. Cleaning the mold did no good.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ensete
« on: December 25, 2014, 05:39:22 PM »

Hi Luc,

It's blooming, so it will die soon.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What can be grown in Europe, zone 10?
« on: November 25, 2014, 11:23:25 AM »
 Another limitation of usda zones is that it is focused on extreme lows.
 Extreme lows are indeed important but average conditions the rest
 of the year are equally important. You can have zone 11 climates
 that never experience frost, yet are unable to grow many tropicals
 due insufficient heat. The Azores islands, in the
 middle of the Atlantic, provide a good example of a zone 11 climate
 lacking heat to grow many true tropicals, such as breadfruit,
 coconut, etc. 
 
 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Green Sapote seedling not flowering yet
« on: August 29, 2014, 07:01:14 PM »

 They are not slow when they are happy...

 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pouteria....what ?
« on: August 23, 2014, 03:27:17 PM »

Check this discussion...

<http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=125.0>

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Why do my cashews die?
« on: August 16, 2014, 04:28:05 PM »

 Hi frukt,

 Cashew is too tropical for our location (Algarve).
 It will die in the winter for sure.

 I tried several times and they get burnt by cold very easily...
 I don't think it needs to go below freezing to seriously damage these...

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Flying Fox Fruits nursery, a source for rare seeds, scions, fruits, and plants
« on: August 02, 2014, 05:37:07 PM »
Quote from: ASaffron on August 02, 2014, 03:17:13 PM
I believe it could be used as rootstock for Rollinia deliciosa, although I've not tried...it'd definitely much more cold tolerant..seems to withstand about 3-5 deg F, more cold....maybe more.

also I believe Cheirmoya is compatible with Biriba (R. deliciosa)...

also interesting would be the potential for hybridization...maybe make a more cold tolerant Rollinia hybrid?  (i just don't know if this is possible, but seems like it could be)

Quote from: msk0072 on August 02, 2014, 03:04:22 PM
Quote from: ASaffron on August 01, 2014, 08:46:21 PM
I have some fresh Rollinia sylvatica seeds, $2 each.  (if you buy more than 5 seeds, I will give you a better deal)

easy to grow, pretty tree, small fruits, not really worth eating in my opinion... could be valuable for breeding or cold tolerant rootstock?

any how, its a tree for collectors or breeders.









Rootstock for example for rollinia deliciosa?



I'm not too optimistic regarding cherimoya / r. deliciosa (biribá) compatibility.

My graft is still alive, but the initial growth spurt has stalled. The scions look healthy but
do not seem to be growing much...

Maybe, cherimoya has a dwarfing effect on R. deliciosa???

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First Buds on Durian Trees
« on: August 02, 2014, 05:37:55 AM »
Quote from: fruitlovers on August 02, 2014, 03:44:47 AM
Quote from: kh0110 on August 01, 2014, 11:42:49 PM
Quote from: fruitlovers on August 01, 2014, 10:54:35 PM
... It's a fruit that's designed to be kept and eaten outdoors.

In a Developed world, maybe. I doubt it was the Original intent.
Yes it was original intent. The odor is to attract animals from afar to come and eat and spread the seeds. The gaseous odor wafts for long distance once the fruit cracks open. Animals don't live indoors!  ;) This fruit was around long before humans ever existed.

I find it odd that the fleshy, substantial durian seeds are not eaten also...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia florida... another very interesting myrtaceae with tasty fruits
« on: July 21, 2014, 04:07:28 PM »

 If mine serves as reference, E. florida fruits are tasty but tiny. It's been a while since it last
 fruited but I'd say the fruits are about the size of chick peas and the seed is about half of that...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone tried grafting Rollinia to Custard Apple?
« on: July 13, 2014, 06:10:34 PM »

Hi,

Not exactly what you ask but, after a few failed attempts, I managed to get R. mucosa to take on Cherimoya rootstock.
The shoots were 10 cm long last time I checked and looked healthy...



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Coco de Mer
« on: July 07, 2014, 01:30:23 PM »
Quote from: Marsbars on July 06, 2014, 04:06:50 AM
Quote from: Coconut on April 21, 2014, 11:41:22 PM
I believe fairchild has them growing, they are very big bold tree & dioecious.
Expensive seeds if you can get them from the Seychelles.  Fruit take a long time to mature from pollination. We don't know what is the actual pollinators; bat, wind or insects.  Viable seeds cost a small fortune. You need to buy six viable seeds to insure a male & a female.  Most sold on market will never germinate.  Buy seeds that have actual sprout.  Empty shells are collectible for those into the erotica arts.  I was offered some thirty years ago, turn it down cause they will take a beating from Hurricane here in Florida.   :-\
I've seen pictures of a coco de mer palm in a private garden in south Florida. Am I imaging things?

No. If you check palmtalk.org forum you'll find recent accounts of people germinating coco-de-mer in Florida.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hancornia speciosa
« on: July 03, 2014, 04:35:44 PM »

 Mangaba also grows in near pure sand, in areas close to the coast.

 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What can be grown in Europe, zone 10?
« on: June 26, 2014, 02:37:06 PM »
Quote from: Andersp90 on June 26, 2014, 01:55:49 PM
Thx for all the information so far! :)

Siafu, is Malaga a warmer area compared to where you live?

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3703.0

If that guy can grow jackfruit and guanabana, shouldn't you be able to do so too?

Or is Malaga a sweet spot for tropical fruit growing??


On average, I would say Malaga and the southern Spanish coast from Almeria to Cadiz is
indeed a bit warmer than my location and S. Portugal, in general. It is also drier in winter
which I believe matters even more.

Still, that does not mean that growing tropical fruits there is a sure thing. Some plants manage to survive
but its not clear yet if they will ever fruit. As far as I know, guanabana is borderline in Malaga, with a
real danger it will drop developing fruits during the winter months. For many other species there's still
too little experience to know how they will behave.

Sicily and S. Italy should also have fine spots. How good I don't know, because we have less contact with them. I do know that they are establishing lychee and mango plantings there so their conditions are comparable to S. Spain, or maybe even better...
Crete and Cyprus should also have fine spots.

If you consider the Canary Islands as part of Europe then that's the prime spot. Only the most tender
stuff that demands high humidity fails. Bread fruit, for instance grows and fruits in the Canary Islands.
Unfortunately, water is scarce and expensive it seems.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What can be grown in Europe, zone 10?
« on: June 26, 2014, 01:15:06 PM »
Quote from: Luisport on June 26, 2014, 10:01:41 AM
Last year i try Osteen and Kent. Both die in a relative protected places... my black sapote die too. Now i want to try pecan nut, Canistel, chico sapote, carambola, lucuma and acerola. Do you think there are anyone that it's not worth to try and spare some money? Thank's!  ;)

Pecans are very hardy.
Lucuma will probably work.

I believe the others are too tender.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What can be grown in Europe, zone 10?
« on: June 26, 2014, 09:50:21 AM »
Quote from: Luisport on June 26, 2014, 09:40:08 AM
Quote from: siafu on June 26, 2014, 09:33:19 AM
Quote from: Andersp90 on June 24, 2014, 03:46:03 PM
Hello everyone.

Which tropicals can/are being grown in the zone 10 part of Europe?

I know that we can sometimes buy Keith mangos from Spain.

And it seems that this nursery in Malaga, spain, is selling guanabana, jaboticaba, sapodilla, Rollinia and lots of other tropicals: http://frutalestropicales.com/product.php?id_product=28

But do they have to be covered in winter? Or even grown in greenhouses?

I am very curious to know. :)


At my place, locate in southern Portugal, also zone 10. I have fruiting outside,
without any protection:

 Black sapote, Marula, Acerola, Canistel, Lychee, Longan, Guavas, Coffee, Avocado, Mango, White Sapote.



 I also have Rollinia mucosa,  Carambola
Hi! What mango trees do you grow? In my location i couldn't grow them... now i will try var. Gomera1.  ;D


I have ataulfo and sensation growing outside.

Still, mangos are tricky and require some attention.
They like to bloom and fruit themselves to death, when they should be trying to get some size and endurance in the first few years. I am also very limited by the nasty soil I have.

Other people in the area are able to grow mangos without too much effort, although
frost prone areas can kill a young mango.

The largest mangos around are just seedlings. Maybe you should try with several seedlings...



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What can be grown in Europe, zone 10?
« on: June 26, 2014, 09:33:19 AM »
Quote from: Andersp90 on June 24, 2014, 03:46:03 PM
Hello everyone.

Which tropicals can/are being grown in the zone 10 part of Europe?

I know that we can sometimes buy Keith mangos from Spain.

And it seems that this nursery in Malaga, spain, is selling guanabana, jaboticaba, sapodilla, Rollinia and lots of other tropicals: http://frutalestropicales.com/product.php?id_product=28

But do they have to be covered in winter? Or even grown in greenhouses?

I am very curious to know. :)


At my place, located in southern Portugal, also zone 10, I have fruiting outside,
without any protection, the following:

 Black sapote, Marula, Acerola, Canistel, Lychee, Longan, Guavas, Coffee, Avocado, Mango, White Sapote.

 I also have a unheated greenhouse (covered with fine netting) where more stuff can grow:

 Rollinia mucosa (fruiting),  Carambola (fruiting); mamey, green sapote, achachairu, mexican garcinia (blooming), genipap, mamoncillo (blooming), caimito (blooming) and a few others.


 Zone 10 should be only an indication. The duration of the cold (freezing or not) also determines what
 does well, barely survives or just plain dies.

 Zone 10 climate in Europe are dry subtropical climates that combine the cold season with the rainy season.
 Many tropical plants dislike this combination, contrary to the natural cycle they expect (warm + wet). They  may be able to take some cold, even a little freezing, but enduring 3 months of cold wet soil if often too much, even without experiencing any frost. One such example is Baobab. They just rot rather than freeze.

 A covered greenhouse (unheated) often helps a lot because the soil can stay warm and dry over winter,
 more closely mimicking the tropics.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: annona graft compatabilities
« on: June 25, 2014, 08:54:30 AM »
Quote from: ASaffron on September 07, 2013, 06:44:32 PM
Quote from: marklee on September 07, 2013, 06:20:01 PM
I have trouble getting any takes of diversifolia on to cherimoya. Has anyone done good with this?

as Har pointed out earlier...some varieties within a species exhibit different compatibility...so some pond apples will be less compatible than others, some cherimoyas are more compatible than others.

JF had success with cherimoya, so maybe it would be wise to figure out where his seeds come from (that he uses for rootstock) and also find out what cultivar of illama he's had success with.

Me and my friend tried cherimoya rootstocks for illama scions, and none took.  The same grafting technique applied to illama scions on illama stock were successful.

so it seems confusing to say the least!

I have had great success grafting ilama onto cherimoya rootstock using a cleft graft. I believe I have a 5 out of 5 success rate,
using the same ilama donnor and cherimoya rootstock.

These grafts have been done in the spring, when cherimoya is already pushing new growth, while the ilama scion is still dormant
or nearly so.

This Spring I also tried to graft R. mucosa onto that same cherimoya rootstock.
One of two grafts took, and it is now pushing new growth. It's the first time I
managed to graft R. mucosa onto a different species.






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Guess what? Blooming for the first time...
« on: June 11, 2014, 11:23:15 AM »
Quote from: fruithunter on June 11, 2014, 10:21:38 AM
Here are the two species.
My round shape species fruits for the first time, too. Another species seems to be oval and longer shape.





My plants (usually) have very green leaves, especially well into summer and new growth.
It's very much like the plant in the back in fruithunters picture.

The leaves get spots and drop in our subtropical winters.

The seeds came from Puerto Rico.


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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Oranges Grown With Infused Pig Genes??
« on: June 11, 2014, 09:06:24 AM »

 Damn, progress is so slow.
 I am waiting for a mangosteen with polar bear genes.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Guess what? Blooming for the first time...
« on: June 11, 2014, 07:40:54 AM »

 Hi,

 Yes, mamoncillo / quenepa can be hermaphrodite.

 I thought that's a rare trait, propagated by airlayer or grafting.

 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Guess what? Blooming for the first time...
« on: June 11, 2014, 05:37:51 AM »
Quote from: Luisport on June 11, 2014, 05:31:00 AM
Congratulations! I hope it fruit!  ;D

Unlikely. This is a dioecious species.
This seedling appear to be male. I'm hoping one of the remaining two
will be female... Time will tell...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Guess what? Blooming for the first time...
« on: June 11, 2014, 04:44:30 AM »
Quote from: Luisport on June 11, 2014, 03:42:02 AM
pulasan?  ???

I wish, Luís.

I never tried Pulasan. This one is hopeless for us, too tropical, too delicate.

I did try to grow rambutan, only to confirm it really needs very warm nights to show any sustained growth...

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