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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: DIOECIOUS fruit trees plant List
« on: March 19, 2015, 07:37:29 AM »
Bangkok thanks for being our Google master and savior once again, but i need info from reliable source, not some obscure website. Once someone writes something everybody else pollutes the internet with copy cat text. Just because it is mentioned few times somewhere does not give credibility to the fact.

I agree that there is too much wrong info on the web, it's about time to clean it up. I also don't know which ones i can believe and which ones not. That's a shame because people like you and me count on them.

btw 5 min ago i just removed my mangosteen to a 70% shaded place in full soil....i count on your info this time. And it had big roots by the way for a small tree like it is.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: DIOECIOUS fruit trees plant List
« on: March 19, 2015, 06:57:39 AM »
Baccaurea angulata
Baccaurea racemosa
Broussonetia papyrifera
Diospyros pallens
Garcinia magnifolia
Hyphaenae thebaica
Mauritia flexuosa
Oemleria crassiformis
Pandanus tectorius (but there are some self fertile female fruit selections like "Antinakarewe" in Polynesia)
Podocarpus/Prumnopitys andina

Salacca zalacca var. zalacca (for example "Pondoh" or "Honey"): dioecious
Salacca zalacca var. amboinensis (Bali Salak like "gula pasir"): self fertile


What makes you say baccaurea angulata is dioecious? Do you have sources for reference? I have two plants in ground, and now I'm really pissed that it may not be enough!!!

Micah, dabai is not dioecious. It is either male or male and female on the same tree. My friend from Sarawak says standart practice is to plant dabai 4 meters apart. Once trees are flowering and indentified , males are removed.


http://tropical.theferns.info/viewtropical.php?id=Baccaurea+angulata

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHqACvvptBI

I just learned this palm is dieocious, so you need male and female tree's.

Also that nice brown palmsugar is made from this palm. This is a great video from thailand, petchaburi province.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: DIOECIOUS fruit trees plant List
« on: March 19, 2015, 01:45:32 AM »
Borassus flabellifer = toddy palm

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This is around the corner. The land in front has just been raised but it all was a deep swamp filled with water for as long as i can remember since 5 years. Some of them are dieing in the area, i wonder why.




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I know it now, my wife is expert for those fruits.

When they are ripe and you can grow the seed the meat becomes yellow. The Thai smash them and mix it with flower to steam into nice cakes. I ate them a lot but never knew that it was toddy palm.

Ripe seeds you can't open anymore and when they are still white they can become candy.

Thanks for info, now I have to think of it to find a way how to get the nut through customs without problems.

Oh i can get those seeds into europe since they are fruit and not tree's.
But did you see how tall they are? I bet your greenhouse is far too low  ;D ;D

We have loads of those palms in my area, they grow in the swamps but also in the middle of the lakes. I always wondered how that palm can grow in a lake and become so huge without falling. They are as high as a 4 floor building! If they really grow slow they must be very old. Soon they will all be gone since all land here is becoming villaparks. I pass them every day and some of them are dieing allready for some reason but they never topple over totally. They must have very strong roots that can grow underwater. They also grow in ricefields.
The lakes here have never been dry as far as i remember so they can grow in water. I saw monitor lizzards, snakes and so in those swamps so i won't go in that water, never ever haha but the poor people hang around there every day to fish or pick leaves from plants/tree's. They also swim in that water around the toddy palms.

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=toddy+palm+thailand&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=643&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=88kIVfL-M9GeugTt-oDQAw&ved=0CBsQsAQ

Here you see the cakes they make from them. My wife always bought them from grandma's on the street. For some reason they are always cooked by grandma's.

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=toddy+palm+thailand&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=643&tbm=vid&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=-skIVY7wHo-gugT-n4L4Bg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAw&dpr=1



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Foliar Feeding
« on: March 17, 2015, 11:13:05 AM »
Does anyone have any yeast or yeast extract formulations that you have tried? Did you see any improvements in your plant health or growth rate? Thanks
Simon

I used EM but don't know if it works since all grows very fast here anyway and i used more products as well.

EM is widely used in Thailand and for sale everywhere. Also it has loads of purposes.

After the big floodings that we had we all sprayed it all over the house/interior/garden/tree's everything. It stops bad smells as well and we have open drains here and septic tanks. ;D

We mixed EM with sugarcane molasses/water and let it brew for some days, then spray it or pour on the soil.

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I know it now, my wife is expert for those fruits.

When they are ripe and you can grow the seed the meat becomes yellow. The Thai smash them and mix it with flower to steam into nice cakes. I ate them a lot but never knew that it was toddy palm.

Ripe seeds you can't open anymore and when they are still white they can become candy.

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Is there a chnace to buy this palm in Europe?

You can grow it from seed if you like.

I googled about them and now i see that those brown coconutthings on the market are toddy palm nuts... ;D

Do you want a whole one?

But also in Holland or Germany i can't find them on internet. I'm pretty sure though that some palm specialst sells them in Europe.

I read that there are in fact 3 seeds inside one nut, so maybe if those seeds are small enough to travel inside big padded envelope without rising too many questions from customs, I could buy one seed if you will have it for sale.

I asked my wife about those brown small coconuts and they are indeed toddy palm, i only know them peeled and packed.

But the ones at the market are not ripe enough she said , to grow the seeds they have to be older untill they fall from the tree. She is no expert though so if you find other iinfo then let us know.

If you want seeds from me then let me know but better have some more then one i would think. I have to buy a whole nut i guess but it has to be more ripe then the ones on the market and that will be hard to find i guess. Then she has to ask around to other Thai who grow those.

I have seen them many times laying under the marketstands but always wondered why they were so brown and small for a coconut. ;D But i see loads of weird stuff so i didn't pay much attention to them. They taste nice, like a natural candy, sweet and chewy.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=+toddy+palm

You need a large greenhouse though, i found out they grow around the corner here in the swamp.
Nobody picks their fruit there i guess but maybe those nuts float, i will see next time i pass them

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http://www.rarepalmseeds.com/pix/BorFla.shtml

When i read the reply's they say it is easy to get seeds sprouted.

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Is there a chnace to buy this palm in Europe?

You can grow it from seed if you like.

I googled about them and now i see that those brown coconutthings on the market are toddy palm nuts... ;D

Do you want a whole one?

But also in Holland or Germany i can't find them on internet. I'm pretty sure though that some palm specialst sells them in Europe.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / mayongchid vs mayongchid
« on: March 16, 2015, 08:49:36 AM »



Today i learned something new.

There are 2 kinds of mayongchid. On the left is the local mayongchid and on the right the one from the Royal farms.

The right one is a little bigger and much sweeter but costs double the price.

The left one is not bad but not very sweet and since we all have a sweet tooth here we only need the improved ones from the Royal farm.

The roseapples are also sweet and the mango is a chocanan.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: JAK/77
« on: March 15, 2015, 10:44:20 AM »
Sheehan i don't see the problem.

On this international fruitforum a member askes what mangotree JAK/77 might be. Well i think of a giant mango but can't declare the number 77. Yak,Yok,Yak, Jak, Jac, Chak can all be the same when translated from thai/khmer language since there are no rules for translating to our alphabet.

If you go to jatujak, chatuchak market and ask for a yak, yac, jac, jok, joc mangotree they will sell you a giant mango variety.

Mr. Zills uses Asian mango's to develop new variety's so to me it sounds possible that this is a giant mango and if not than not, big deal.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Papaya's
« on: March 15, 2015, 08:29:58 AM »
Thanks mate....Do you think i should water every day while its hot? maybe at night? cheers

I wouldn't worry about the leaves dropping like this, that's normal. My neighbour waters them every other day or so but we have very long dry spells here when it's very hot. I even can't remember when we had the last rain, must be last year i guess.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Papaya's
« on: March 15, 2015, 08:10:03 AM »
They look good to me. It's also hot here and they like it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What are some flood tolerant trees?
« on: March 15, 2015, 08:07:16 AM »
We have more threads about flood tolerant tree's but i'll tell my experience once again, last time.

Bangkok (and half Thailand) was flooded some years ago, my mango and pomelo were in 40 cm water for about 2 weeks, they survived perfect.

Around the corner many mango's were in 1-2 meter water for 4-8 weeks and they survived but with problems which are solved by time.

Even a plumeria in my street (big expensive one) survived but had big problems for 2 years.

All durian and jackfruits are gone but the Thai planted new ones allready (on small mounds).

My jaboticaba's have a filled bowl under their pots and they grow well.  Biggest one is 60 cm in 14 months, white jabo.

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Am I the only one who doesn't feel comfortable with this? At what point does the line between useful information exchange and almost sabotaging a business gets crossed/blurred? It's not like we are talking about HD or Lowes here that can withstand (and also fight back online) against negative web portrayals..rather this is a smaller business in a very niche market and community that may be severely affected.

Also while I'm sure most of the intentions here are genuine to help members of the forum here, who really knows if there aren't direct competitors here with different aims.  I like to learn of the posters' good and bad experiences with nursuries and those experiences already come through where necessary within conversations on various thread topics. But a whole topic and title dedicated to bashing a business seems harsh (no matter how true).

I've never used TT, and have no horse in this race...but I'll tell you straight up that I've had pretty bad experiences with two of the more highly celebrated nursuries here on this forum..one in South Dade and one up in Western Palm Beach Co (and for Citrus another highly regarded nursery that ship from Tampa area)..but I chalk that up to noone is perfect ESPECIALLY operating in a space like this with living tropical trees,lots of them, shipping etc.

That's not to say they shouldn't be held to account for errors and poor service, and that as customers we should just shut up and take shoddy service, but there's no better way than this? I'm no legal expert, but I'd be careful if this was my website, as to where the line is about slander.

Just my 2 cents.....

No and i even have no experience at all with any nursery from the US.

But on this forum slandering is quite common unfortunately. It seems that on the West coast lives another breed of people.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: JAK/77
« on: March 14, 2015, 09:20:20 PM »
From this point forward, I'm going to call you out every time you post your gibberish that pollutes this forum!  👊 Go pretend to graft another cocktail tree in your postage stamp yard.

 
WTF?
In Thailand (and i guess more neighbouring country's) Yac means giant.

What's your problem dude? Which part of my text you didn't understand?

Oh well i have a new variety of chomphu Yac Taiwan.
I have lamut Yac cambodia

Yup they are improved variety's, so why wouldn't there be mango Yac which might be a giant?


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: JAK/77
« on: March 14, 2015, 11:34:45 AM »
WTF?
In Thailand (and i guess more neighbouring country's) Yac means giant.

What's your problem dude? Which part of my text you didn't understand?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pedalai looks like a giant rambutan
« on: March 14, 2015, 11:33:13 AM »
There is a fruit grown around Mission Beach that is becoming very well accepted by visitors.
http://www.missionbeachtourism.com/blog/2013/04/29/the-keledang/


The strange thing is that our Indo members who sell the seeds only mention that they are nice, they never mention this one to be excellent or special.
Keledang has less flesh then a pedalai is what i read. I wished the Indo/Malay members replied more on the main forum instead of only selling seeds. I am very interested in their experience in growing fruit.

I pruned my pedalai 2 days ago and it allready has sidebranches now. I will graft some on the big jackfruit tree to see what happens.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pedalai looks like a giant rambutan
« on: March 14, 2015, 01:57:05 AM »
I have only about 100 trees not counting counting all the smaller ones and veggies and replace non performers routinely.I don't plant giants and easy to get stuff, or what people I know we'll grow if I can get them easily. I have a lot of long term fruit growing friends and the farmers referred to are actually friends or there are long term connections.The people I get fruit from in the market mostly I know reasonably well but I have to buy some fruits. Swapping also gets me a fair bit.

I probably have been optimistic with cold tolerances and time to first fruiting.We all extrapolate from what we have seen read and from what we are told.The durian example was from looking at a large report that evaluated factors including cold tolerance of clones. I see fruiting durians at altitude on the Atherton Tablelands and check the lower temps they must have tolerated.I look at the Miami profile for weather compare to laplae, other places I know and the written material and think why not.  Soil aside and how prolonged these temps are I was surprised when Adams macrantha seedling died in 38f.Seedlings in pots may not be the ideal measure.
I have actually seen many trees progress to fruiting from planting and can document exact time frames.The 5 years fro9m planting out until fruiting for mangosteen and durian happened in my yard twice for each.

Mike we had a mangosteen farmer from Australia give a talk at a fruit conference here. He told us that of 1000 mangosteen trees he planted on his farm about 5% fruited in five years. About 80% fruited in about 8 years. This was with a very consistent and heavy fertilizer program. In very large populations of trees you can see that there is a big difference from fruiting times of individual precocious trees and the average time it takes most trees to fruit.

We need names, numbers, websites and so on. Who believes info from your thumb?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pedalai looks like a giant rambutan
« on: March 14, 2015, 01:54:35 AM »
Adam should have grown the durian in full soil, not in a pot. Soil temp stays a few degree's warmer under grond. At a depth of about 70-80 cm soil rarely freezes or it has to be in Siberia. In Holland the waterlines are dug 70 cm deep and never freeze.

So now it's Mike fault right?

Nobody's fool giving more advice to a nurseryman?  :o  I thought the dodo was already extinct? ;) FYI it was air temperatures that killed Adam's durian plant in Florida, not soil temperature. A few hours of  38F are not going to make soil temperatures go down more than a couple of degrees, especially when it was inside of his greenhouse. I guess you didn't read that post either??  ::)

How do you know it wasn't the soil temperature that killed the rootstock? Did you measure it?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pedalai looks like a giant rambutan
« on: March 14, 2015, 01:04:16 AM »
It takes about four to over six years for a newly planted durian tree to begin to bear fruit. The time depends on the species of the tree. The larger the size of the fruit, the longer the time needed. The tree begins to blossom in early or mid-December and the fruits will be ready for gathering from mid-May to mid-July, again depending on species. The price varies from 25 baht to over 100 baht a kilogram according to the species and the season as well.

http://www.thaiwaysmagazine.com/thai_fruits/thai_fruits_durian.html

Warning: Asian website! (If you are American you should not believe this info).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: JAK/77
« on: March 14, 2015, 12:17:24 AM »
In Thailand (and i guess more neighbouring country's) Yac means giant.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pedalai looks like a giant rambutan
« on: March 13, 2015, 10:53:52 PM »
Adam should have grown the durian in full soil, not in a pot. Soil temp stays a few degree's warmer under grond. At a depth of about 70-80 cm soil rarely freezes or it has to be in Siberia. In Holland the waterlines are dug 70 cm deep and never freeze.

So now it's Mike fault right?




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