You should hear the noises that my wife makes when she ate the passionfruit yesterday haha. They were not sweet enough for her.

I paid 150 baht for about a kg, that is like 5 us$, they were labeled Doi Kham sweet passionfruit from the Royal Project ( i see that now). That is a big farm from the Thai King in Chiang Mai where they grow all kinds of organic fruits to show the thai people how they can grow healthy vegy and fruit.

Which species i got i don't know, Thai don't tell the species i never see that.

Well never mind, i will go to another supermarket to buy the nice ones then.

I got an idea from the thread about Annona's.

My Annona sugarapple will come next week and i m thinking about grafting it on the rootstock from the pond apple. I read that this rootstock can stand floodings which Annona cannot.

My mango NDM also survived the floodings from last year, it was in 60 cm (2feet) of water during 3 weeks. Mango tree's that had been in about 2 metre (7 feet) water all died is what i saw.

I am also growing a jackfruit tree which cannot stand waterflooding. Is there a jackfruit rootstock that can stand floodings?

Are there other fruits that can easy stand floodings for some weeks?

I think many people in Thailand will like to know these things because the floodings might be back because the government didn't do anything yet to prevent them.

Those tree's look awesome!

But what is a sweet papaya? I only know the ones in Thailand that i can eat on for a few pieces but the flavor and sweetness is not strong enough for me to make it a fantastic fruit. The texture is good though.

With what can i compare the most sweet papaya? Now i only eat green papaya in Sum Tam a thai salad with garlic, fishsauce, sweet, sour, spicy and some tomato.

Well in that case you need to use an automated system i guess. A printer that can print on steel with a laserbeam or something like that. In the mall here they make keyhangers with your photo on it with a laser.

Or maybe an etch-pen filled with acid will do the job on copper labels.

I also have the labelproblem because the markers don't last more then 2-3 years. Also the plastic labels degrade to fast.

Well i will stop adding cowdung to my tree's for a while because they are almost big enough. I want them to grow 1-1.5 metre more and that is enough. When i bought my first tree on a mangofarm that grower adviced me to add cowdung so they grow fast.

I will read about rockdust but some weeks ago i smashed a lot of lavastone into powder and threw it all over my garden to open up the clay soil. They don't sell it here as a powder so i had to do it myself. Later i read that agriculture gypsum can do the same and that is what i can buy so i bought 25 kg of that.

I learned from the web that if you spray copper that will keep anthracnose away but also improves fruitset. I sprayed it 2 times now and all flowers have 1 or more fruits. My flowering tree was planted 10 months ago so 1 fruit per flower is fine with me now.

For potash i will bbq more from real charcoal so the garden can have the ash. I have no idea how much ash to give to the tree so i just do something.

I dont want to spray my tree's because of anthracnose, i like them to stay as dry as possible in this humid climate. Also spraying is no fun to do in this hot humid weather, even spraying makes you sweat like crazy haha.

Moringa sounds like Neem, some kind of miracle-oil. The problem in Thailand is that in the growers shops all the labels are in thai language that i cannot read, the salesppl do not speak english at all and the shops are soo small that i dont even fit in the walkway to look around and take my time haha.




http://www.nt.gov.au/d/Content/File/p/Fruit/Mango_Field_Guide.pdf
http://www.tropicalpermaculture.com/growing-fruits.html

Here are some more links to add to this thread, maybe somebody can use the info.

I applied a lot of agriculture gypsum some weeks ago all over my clay garden. I don't water but it rains every day, the dry season is late this year.
We have high humidity but the temp is around 33 nowadays.

People here say the ndm collapse from to much water but i don't trust them too much.

Well some collapse but i still have plenty small ones. As long as every flower at least gives one mango i m happy. The biggest one is 8 cm now and the flowers are still coming. My other big ndm tree still has no flowers yet and the grafts also dont flower nowhere on my tree's.

After April the mango season is over for NDM but you never know. I bought a kg ndm on the market yesterday so they are still availlable.

Thanks for all the advices!

I also want to grow passionfruit against my fence. I saw nice ones on Chatuchak weekendmarket but will those fruits grow in Bangkok? I think the plants from the market come from North Thailand where the climate is a little colder then here.

If i can grow them here will they flower and give fruits? I have a nice place in the full sun for them but i want a specie that can pollinate itself.

What species should i buy? I saw one with nice red flowers but i dont know if the fruits will be sweet. Here in the supermarkets we can buy very sweet passionfruits but they are imported for some reason. I assume there is a problem with growing them in Bangkok and also a problem with growing sweet ones.

Does anybody have information or tips about growing them in Bangkok?

 

Thanks for those links, all the info about growing mango is there.

I will study them tonite and then make a plan how to fertilise or not. Those websites are for mango-farms and they only care for big production. I care for the best taste and to get healthy fruits without chemical pesticides.  The best tasting mango's here are the smaller ones from local people. Those local people do nothing to their tree's, mostly they are grown from seed and too high to spray anything on them.

I live in Nonthaburi Bangkok that is the place where the most expensive durians grow because of the good soil and water here. There were also loads of fruitfarms in the past but now they build houses on those fruityards because the city is always expanding. Those advices like add many kg blue NPK are probably for growers on other soils in other country's.

I saw many red ants on my tree yesterday, i hope they are the weaver ants then they can help my fighting the leaf-eating weevils. I will go see them right now.

The father from my neighbour is an old thai scientific agriculturist but he rarely comes here. I will ask him about elephant dung when i see him. He is fond of red cow dung and uses loads of it he told me.

I only know that now on Koh-Samui island they sell coffee made of elephant dung. The elephant eats the coffee beans and they get them out of the dung and make coffee from it. Just like Civet-coffee in Indonesia.

Waterbuffalo dung is good for making compost  because of the enzymes in it. They use it fresh.

http://www.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=http://www.plantwise.org/Uploads/CompendiaImages/Normal/depma164.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.plantwise.org/?dsid%3D18427%26loadmodule%3Dplantwisedatasheet%26page%3D4270%26site%3D234&h=400&w=600&sz=29&tbnid=iPwOSOmywWOvZM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=135&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddeporaus%2Bmarginatus%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=deporaus+marginatus&usg=__URf1FpH220Mxm7r6zDlnhCo8iS0=&docid=oqK4ARCy5P3v7M&hl=nl&sa=X&ei=S5qwUMu9JcPZrQeUsoGQAw&ved=0CDAQ9QEwAA&dur=152

If you click on this link you will see the weevil. I cannot make it work by adding this pic.

I would to know what you growers use as fertiliser on mangotree's and how much and when to apply.

I started mulching but now i have a pest of mangoleaf-eating weevils and i think i will stop mulching.

I prefer natural fertilisers as cow dung, bonemeal, woodash, vermicast, guano, coffee, seaweed etc. and also i use minerals as iron-chelate, manganese, boron . I fertilise them every 2-3 months with mostly natural stuff.
Do we have to fertilise when the tree is flowering? If so how much then?

My mother in law throws all the leftovers from food in her garden except plastic. She had huge banana's and loads of it. Also her mango's and other fruits do well.

My tree's look healthy and grow well but i am always looking for ways to improve. I only care for the best taste of the fruits, i do'nt need supersized fruits.

I think the container is the best solution. A huge chinese pot with a dragon on it or something like that.

Here they make a waterwell from concrete rings. They pile them on top of eachother and a guy goes in the ring and digs the soil out. The outside of the ring they spray with water so the ring will sink by its weight and then they put a new ring on top of them. They go very deep this way and i think it is a cheap solution. Just a concrete pipe into the soil with a diameter of about 3feet (1 metre) and 10-20 feet (3-7 metres) deep.

So the roots can damage a wall or floor, then i dont understand how Fairchild can put that on their website. Especially in the USA you can sue them if you got damage by wrong planting instructions i guess.

Steven i live in a higly secured compound with guards biking around 24hrs. The tree nobody can reach from outside our gate and if they want to steal my mango's then it is easyier to pick from my multigrafted ndm from outside the gate. Your dutch sounds funny and i can understand it. 

But thanks for your advice, maybe i will grow it in a huge chinese pot then, i just want to have another tree with only mahanchanok but i have never eaten one haha. Grafting MahanChanok worked but no graft is growing yet and most of them died. All other species are easyier to graft.