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I grow this "pingan" fruit from seed that i bought from shefloral.

I started with 10 seeds who all sprouted but now after 8 months or so i have only 1 healthy tree. They are not as strong as the sericicarpus so make sure you get enough seeds.

Also i would like to read a taste description from anybody who has the fruit. I think the Indo's can find them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / lamut sida - madhuca esculenta
« on: March 23, 2015, 05:54:10 AM »



I bought this fruittree today but can't find any info except pictures. The vendor told me it is sweet and that's all i could understand of what he said.

Does anybody know it? Toptropicals also has it on their website but no info about it.

the name is lamut sida  or madhuca esculenta.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mamey from Yucatan
« on: March 22, 2015, 11:18:42 PM »
Thanks for posting Luc, this is why i read this forum. ;D

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1) mango (lemon zest, coco cream, ice cream, Carrie, I digress...)
2) lychee
3) cherimoya
4) Bangkok lemon jackfruit
5) this type of peach that is flat like a doughnut with white flesh and super sweet, I find myself driving way out of my way to be ripped off by the fresh market for them, think their name is "flying saucer peach"

Honorable mention: Sierra fig

-joep450

Was it this peach? I also love them but you have to let them become ripe on the counter. They also sell the nectarine version of it, also great.




In Holland they are called Wild Peach.


there's a low chill uf cultivar that's flat like that that they call ufo


One model in particular that defines a chill unit as 1 hour below 45°F (7°C) but above 32°F (0°C) works well for determining ranges of accumulation in low-chill peaches

Bangkok never has temps under 7 celcius. But if i could grow this peach i would be a happy camper  ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: maprang sweet-maprang sour-mayongchid
« on: March 22, 2015, 10:56:04 AM »
She grows both and has been sending me tons of pics of both to drive me nuts.  Not sure which are in the pics...probably mayong chid.






Yes they are good sized. If those are maprangs then they must be the big maprangs Mike T has seen.

I hear about extreme drought in the NE every day but even her grass looks fine.

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I found these unripe seeds on the market today to play with. Whole nuts were not availlable.

These were not chilled and inside the bad they had started to produce alcohol allready, at least i could smell it.

They were not as sweet as the dried ones who taste like candy. In fact they were bland and nothing special. My wife even can't make the cakes from them because she needs the whole nuts for that. The meat under the coconut shell is what they use for cake, well lesson learned.

I hoped the seeds would taste nice but they don't. As a desert in sweet coconutcream they tasted good anyway but i won't buy these fresh unripe seeds again.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: maprang sweet-maprang sour-mayongchid
« on: March 22, 2015, 08:59:27 AM »
Bangkok...my mother-in-laws trees were just loaded this year.

Oh i see, that's in the NE right? What is she growing? Maprang-wan or mayongchid?

Would like to see a pic of them but i guess that's not possible.

I doubt if there are any tree's without mayongchid this year, maybe that farmer just try's to make me pay more. I allready pay him well (more then the markets here ask) but i get his biggest ones and also i like it because i know where they came from.

My own small mayongchid really makes flowers now, i have it since a few months and it's about 4 feet or 120cm tall. But it is late with blooming, this week i added a lot of the organic fertilizer with high P. I guess my lamut-yak (cambodia giant sapodilla) also started blooming from that. That tree is same size but the stem is so thin that it will break when it has fruit. ;D


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I received tekum (j33) seeds from tropical 66 from Malaysia over 2 and a half years ago.One fruited on a friend's farm and he is the fellow who has the amber jackfruit.Tourist who sampled it,amber and other good types rated it as excellent but still  ranked amber as their favourite.I wonder if the seedling is not quite identical to its parent and if the fruit will get even better with age.

Wow a jackfruit fruiting from seed in 2.5 years  :o
Mine is grafted and much older now and never gave a flower. I guess i should stop watering it every day.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: maprang sweet-maprang sour-mayongchid
« on: March 22, 2015, 06:24:32 AM »
Oh yeah Marian plum (rarely used name) and maprang/mapraang are the names of the whole species not varieties.It is thus maprang Wan, maprang mayon chid and jn the trinominal system of thai fruit, a third name may be used regarding place where it comes from or a descriptive word.

Well then the trees in the NE of Thailand might be another maprang variety. I have no idea, i just write here what they tell me.

I do know that mayongchid is an improved maprang, the Royal farm made that variety and all thai go crazy for it. The Doi Kham Royal farms gave the grafted tree's for free to thai farmers so they could sell bigger fruit with smaller seeds. That's what several thai told me.

I have maprang-wan and a mayongchid tree growing together in a big pot and will see when i get fruit and how big. I also tried to graft them onto mango again, last try because all other attempts failed.

My neighbour named maprang mayongchid nakhon nayok, maprang mayongchid amplawa so that refers to their main growing area's. They are grown in nakhon nayok because of the good soil there he said but in bangkok they can also grow/fruit if they get the right soil.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: maprang sweet-maprang sour-mayongchid
« on: March 22, 2015, 01:16:19 AM »
Well my neighbour told me you can get maprang-wan as big as mayongchid if you fertilize them well and pick half of the crop off the tree.

He also had seen papaya from 50 kg when fertilized well and only let 1 left to grow.

He said he can't see the difference between maprang-wan (a big one) and mayongchid, only the seed is smaller so it has more flesh (for mayonchid) , but they look the same. He is over 70 years old and a retired professor.

Mike did your big maprang-wan get fertilized extra or had half of the crop removed from the tree? If not then yours might be something special i guess. Did you also see those big wan-ones in Thailand?

Yes i saw the pics he posted today, with the maprang-wan in his hand but those pics are so huge that it's not easy to compare the size to the mayongchids i posted.








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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: maprang sweet-maprang sour-mayongchid
« on: March 22, 2015, 12:28:00 AM »
The maprangs are worse than mango for the sap to cause a contact dermatitis and blistering that is uncomfortable and visible.I have reacted to mango sap a few times but maprang sap caused me big problems when I trimmed my old tree and even when I have picked fruit and had sap on me.
BK Wan and mayon chid look the same and only differ in acid levels with Wan being sweet even before going orange.There are big fruited and rounder lines of both and you have to eat them to know which they are.Bigger fruit seem to have a proportionally higher flesh yield.A small fruited mayon chid in a park near me has only thin flesh.

I see, so there are also small mayongchids. I'm learning more every day  :D

In Bangkok all the big mayongchids (or lookalikes) are called mayongchid. The small ones are the maprangs and are much cheaper.

It is hard to find the very sweet ones because the farmers all try to get the highest price and send them as soon as possible to Bangkok. One of these days the price will drop when the markets overflow with them. For mango's (ndm-gold) that allready has started now.

Strange thing is that my supplier from Nakhon Nayok said that many farmers had no mayongchids at all this season. I don't know if that's true but i see loads of them at the moment.  But for the small maprangs you have to go to the local markets in poor neighbourhoods. There they make big fun about me because i speak thai to them  ;D Guess they have never seen that before.
My supplyer grows his mayongchids from grafted tree's which he got from the Royal farms.

After peeling some kg of mayongchids my fingers got yellow and i couldn't get it off easy. I never had that from peeling many mango's.

Foodland supermarket also sells maprang/mayongchid but just calls them marian plum. I wonder which one that is, i guess not mayongchid but they are big.

Today i will ask my professor neighbour about the difference, let's see what he says.







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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: maprang sweet-maprang sour-mayongchid
« on: March 21, 2015, 11:37:33 PM »
I have posted large maprangs a number of times.
http://postimg.org/image/ruxvbyrc1/full/
http://postimg.org/image/reqv88ep3/full/


I believe you mike but i can't find them.

But how we can tell the difference between an big maprang wan and a mayongchid?

Do the big maprang wan also have a big seed with thin flesh?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: maprang sweet-maprang sour-mayongchid
« on: March 21, 2015, 10:49:34 PM »
My friend has Wan variety that are huge.If you do a search of past threads you will see some of the past pictures I have posted.There are references to giant Wan in thailand far larger than any mayon chid but I haven't seen these huge ones.I ate  Wan and mayon chid together in November and preferred the Wan but many like the extra tang in mayon chid.

I searched but can't find those pics Mike.
Also i 've never heard of the huge maprang wan in thailand but i guess it's possible. Those might be the parents from the mayongchid.

I wonder though why those big maprang wan's that you refer to are not in Bangkok. Maybe those are called the "local" mayongchid? It wouldn't surprise me because that's what people here ask for.

Mayongchid tastes better then mango in my opinion but i prefer mango because of it's much thicker flesh. Mayongchid is eaten with the peel and that's more convenient.

Tropicaliste i have no idea about dermatitis and maprang, maybe another member can answer that.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: maprang sweet-maprang sour-mayongchid
« on: March 21, 2015, 09:32:19 PM »
Well if any of you has pictures of maprangs, marian plum, gandaria then post them here so we can compare them.

This is what i found on a local market, i expected the ma-prang to be bigger but the real winner is the mayongchid.

And in mayongchid we have the "local" variety and the "royal farm" variety. I still have to find out what the difference between those is except size/price/sweetness.  They are very nice, i only wished they were as big as mango  ;D

In Bangkok they call maprang-wan the maa-wan...so if you ever see them you know how they are called.

Now i understand why it was so hard to find me a maprang-wan tree in Bangkok because mayongchid is a much bigger fruit with more flesh.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Newbie needs help
« on: March 21, 2015, 10:14:15 AM »
It was a weird interesting thing he found though.

And i don't see the reason why he had to be banned. I 've seen much more offensive reply's here and they also didn't get banned.

Now we will never know what it was.   :-\





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Barbados Cherry (acerola)
« on: March 21, 2015, 08:31:33 AM »
Similar experience here. I had one 3-4' high in a 15 gallon pot. When I removed it, it was so root-bound that the roots had basically formed their own 'pot' and the rootball just slid out of the pot with no dirt spilling. It was crazy.

By the way, muntingia calabura also sends out far-reaching shallow roots which can get very thick very quickly.

Yes the acerola should be grown in a cone-shaped pot or you can't get it out anymore after some months.

I used a  pot who was round and a little narrow at the top, it took me half an hour to get it out, even with a huge kitchenknife to cut the roots.
The rootball was only roots who were superlong and circling.

Maybe a rootpruning pot would be the best for this tree.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / maprang sweet-maprang sour-mayongchid
« on: March 21, 2015, 07:17:59 AM »



Left:      Mayongchid
Middle:  Maprang-wan  (wan = sweet)
Right:    Maprang peeuw (peeuw=sour)  This one looks like a small egg so this might be the ma-prang kai (kai=egg)

I never had ma-prang before because in Bangkok they only sell mayongchid. Now i understand why because mayongchid is much bigger then maprang and also has a higher flesh/seed ratio.

Mayongchid tastes the best, sweet and fresh, more fresh than mango.
Maprang-wan is also sweet.
Maprang-peeuw (kai) is sour...sure not as sour as a lime but more for people who love sour fruit or can't eat much sugar.

I never knew ma-prangs are so small compared to mayongchid, but i learn new things here every day.

I have seeds from all of them if you are interested.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Barbados Cherry (acerola)
« on: March 21, 2015, 04:10:51 AM »
I grew mine in a very big pot but it barely gave fruit.

Then i tried to get it out of the pot which was almost impossible. The whole pot was filled with circling roots.

I cut all the roots and pulled it out with brute force.
Then my neighbour wanted to grow it again (with 10% roots left), it grows well now but  is in the shade and still doesn't give fruit.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangos for mild climate
« on: March 21, 2015, 03:33:04 AM »
Wow congratiulations with your GOAT lemonzest. I also want it.

I wished mr Thompson came back to the forum to show us more video's. He learned me how to be successfull in grafting.


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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Just Not Enough Room
« on: March 21, 2015, 01:34:30 AM »
I have the problem of excess of production on my lemon trees too. But they are a couple of old plant grown from my grandpa who died 20 years ago, so they have a sentimental value. But man, when I fill a couple of box of lemon, then i wonder myself: "what i should do with them?" My climate (or maybe is their variety? Or the fact they are grown in pot?) doesn’t allow them to become "sweet" enough to produce a good lemonade either. So either i consume them quickly or they rot. Recently i have had limited success putting them under salt. They do become a nice addiction to chicken or cold salads in summer.

In Thailand the limes are expensive at the moment, this happens every year dued to a shortage on the markets.

My friends freeze their whole limes to use later. They use the juice for drinks or on fried rice. You can try it, just freeze them whole or only the juice in icecube forms/bags.

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I  would like to see him kick a real big bananatree  ;D

But yes this is a Muay Thai Boxer.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Just Not Enough Room
« on: March 20, 2015, 10:18:40 AM »
Why not graft some limescions on the pomelo tree and only grow that?

I have navel orange grafted onto the pomelotree now, tahiti lime failed but i will try it again soon. Later more citrus will follow when i have scions.

Budding failed for me but just grafting some scions worked fine.

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Great Adam! I miss fruitvideo's from the USA. We need more of them.

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I enjoy Borassus aethiopum in Senegal from Thies Department all the way into the Gambia, East & West Africa.  Palm wines were delicious & knocked our asses; and our team of Merc black ops nearly got court martial for distilling it during the many R& R through the conflicts zones in the 1990's.  Moonshine from it makes the daily night fire fight more exciting.  I recalled one night the Rebels were just as drunk as us on toddy palm shine and & shot tracers at Us.  We dial in at 2,200 yards & send a few bud lights down & my spotter saw an explosion from the Rebels moonshine distillery torching a bunch of grouchy campers from their happiness.  Their sources of arm funding were fermented into the no moon night.

Next morning we visited the abandoned base, the armour they were using were cure toddy palm wood surrounding the still like fish scale tiles.  Once cure this west African toddy palm is heavy & sink in water and stronger than steel; you can actually see were my .50 round just deflected off, amazing wood.  Thank God I had a new Leupold mounted to make it through their snipers hole. Termite proof and the local Sereer tribe on the coast used them for making bow & the harden wood beleivable or not; they make arrow head out if it. 

The dried gelatin fruit seeds pounded were excellent mix when I made Pemmican with wild games, this were our bush MRE in many jungle campaigns.  If the gellatin seeds were too old they were too rubbery and not that tasty. We also enjoyed the very young fruit barely gelatinize inside, the young fruit pith inside were sweet nutty like coconut palms heart.  We try distillateling  the ripe toddy fruit, the ripe yellowish pith generate a strong liquor that have a smell of a Hippopotamus fart and diesel; but the flavors were remarkably intune with a Remi Martin XXO but fruity Landolphia  sharpness that kind of made your vision smart at first.  Your Toddy Palm make an excellent landscape plant for those with adequate space, some tree we climbed were 60-70 feet tall.  If you can't get the Asian try the African toddy; personaly as a landscape plant they are in my not so humble opinions must nicer & possibly more African Locusts attack resistant for your GreenHouse Radoslav!😄🌴🏡


So are these toddy palms the same or is one of them an african variety?

In my area i see them with 2 kinds of bark like on the pic (pic is from internet). Also i see them with the fishscale skin for the first some metres and then they have a smooth skin untill the crown.






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: DIOECIOUS fruit trees plant List
« on: March 19, 2015, 08:01:25 AM »
I looked at "indigenous fruits of Sarawak" book, and entire page dedicated to baccaurea angulata does not mention it being dioecious. So, there is a hope than:)

It's the same with litsea garciae being dioecious or not, they don't mention it in the sarawak online book.

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