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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durio of Malaysia book
« on: February 23, 2013, 03:06:16 AM »
I still have 2 extra copies you can buy it from me for $25 plus the cost of shipping. I'm currently in the USA. Just email me at durianyear@gmail.com if you want one.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: has anyone ever fruited a durian in continental USA?
« on: February 23, 2013, 03:03:53 AM »
I know there are a few trees in Florida, but I've never heard of one fruiting. I'm excited for the contest!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Year of the Durian
« on: February 23, 2013, 03:01:35 AM »
[quote author=Mike T link=topic=4091.msg60733#msg60733 date=1361526749

I would not be surprised if D.macrantha is a paleo zibethinus or at least contributed a few genes.Hopefully I will soon lay my paws on genuine macrantha and I can post pix so the peddlers of fakes will have a harder time.
[/quote]

What do you mean by the "peddlers of fakes"? Is Macrantha well known somewhere?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Year of the Durian
« on: February 22, 2013, 11:52:26 AM »
Mike, it is clear that I don't have enough research on Thai durians. I am going back for the season in May.

Do you think that Macrantha is genuinely a separate species? I have heard it referred to as Kosterman's White Whale, and at least two experts (who have never seen it) doubt that it is a separate species simply because no one has ever found another tree and it is so similar to zibethinus.

Quote from: bangkok on February 22, 2013, 06:40:19 AM
Some days ago i read that the fruit export of Thailand will be boycotted because the Thai like to trade in ivory. Some animal protection club found out that African ivory is traded in Thailand and now  the plan is to boycot Thai fruits.

So you better enjoy the fruit as long as you can before the boycot starts ( i thought they start next month after some big meeting).


Bangkok: It may sadden you to know that Indonesia has just banned the import of Thai durians. You can read more about it here:http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2013/02/14/commnets-durian-import-moratorium.html

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Year of the Durian
« on: February 22, 2013, 02:03:28 AM »
Quote from: fruitlovers on February 01, 2013, 03:35:42 AM
Quote from: durianwriter on January 31, 2013, 11:29:45 PM
Wow Sweet find Mike T! Thanks, I'm going to have to look more into this Monthong conundrum so I don't get it wrong when I write my book.

It's great you took notes of your interviews, but i wouldn't use any of that to quote in your book. As you can already see that is quite liable to error, as in the statement that Monthong is not in any family group of durians. As far as Monthong being a genetically distinct clone, the Australian paper  on durian germplasm evaluation mentions two others with name Monthong that are distinct: Ng Monthong ( a Malaysian type) and Hawaiian Monthong, probably a type of Chanee. (We also have regular Monthong in Hawaii.) Please note that the Australian durian germplasm evaluation Mike refers to is almost a dozen years old, and they only surveyed the very few types they had access to in Australia. It is not comprehensive, nor does it attempt to be. If all the types getting called Monthong in Thailand were DNA sequenced you would see that nowadays you are not dealing with just one clone.

Intelligent response. I actually got this information from the Agricultural Department's stall at the Chanthaburi World Durian Festival. There was a poster board explaining all the types of durians. Monthong was listed among the miscellaneous varieties, and not under any of the main families as Mike suggests.

I do realize that there are many durians around the world that are called Monthongs, but are actually the seedling of a Monthong durian. In Vietnam it is called Dona, in Philippines Obusa. They are typically similar to Monthong but genetically distinct, with something slightly different that I can't quite put my finger on :)

I'm currently researching the history of the Monthong and will let you know what I find out. Thanks for all the great info!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Year of the Durian
« on: January 31, 2013, 11:29:45 PM »
Wow Sweet find Mike T! Thanks, I'm going to have to look more into this Monthong conundrum so I don't get it wrong when I write my book.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durio testudinarium
« on: January 31, 2013, 07:27:42 PM »
 ;D it was yummy

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Year of the Durian
« on: January 31, 2013, 07:25:34 PM »
Mike T,
You're correct in noting that durians are often categorized by their maturation rate, with early (80-95 days), middle (100-120 days) and late ( up to 140ish days), but this doesn't change what I said about the five related families of durian, of which Monthong is a singular outlier breed.

I have also come across "false" Monthongs, like the Dona durian in Vietnam or the red-fleshed monthong in Java. These are not true Monthongs. Some are seedlings of a Monthong, such as the Filipino Soriano/Obusa, but since we know that durian seedlings do not grow true to the parent these varieties are not true Monthong.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 'Durian' Cempedak
« on: January 31, 2013, 12:54:06 PM »
Cempedak is a bit like durian - what do you think it is? the smell? the taste? the more "creamy" texture than jackfruit? What makes something "durianish"?  ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian stall in Singapore
« on: January 31, 2013, 12:52:23 PM »
Quote from: DurianLover on January 31, 2013, 10:40:02 AM
Quote from: msk0072 on January 31, 2013, 01:53:38 AM
Patrick: Not easy to locate the market because it was my first visit in Singapore and I had to find the right transport medium. Singapore is huge. When I was there my nose sniffed the smell of the durian.  ;) It worked like a radar. :)
Oscar: I didn't ask the seller if the durians were imported, it was really fresh. Awesome.
More fresh durian from the source follow ;). The story goes on!


Next time in Singapore get off at Aljunied MRT station walk straight for about 200 meters and turn right on Sims Avenue. After few minutes there will be biggest concentration of durian stalls in Singapore.


Nooo! Don't do that, Geylang is famous for where all the durian crooks hang out. They'll try to sell you a bad durian. You have to stay on your toes and it's no fun at all. Some of the worst durian I've ever had came from Sims Avenue.

Here's my guide to durian stalls in Singapore: http://www.yearofthedurian.com/2012/08/singapore-durian-guide.html . There's a map too. Pick one. I suggest 818 or 717 Trading. You'll find reviews of them on my site too. Happy Durian Hunting!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Year of the Durian
« on: January 31, 2013, 12:47:52 PM »
Quote from: Mike T on January 28, 2013, 04:15:05 AM
That is a very good overview by Oscar and all 4 main commercial durians in thailand are not a single type.Kradum (button) especially comes in many types with kradum thong the main one.It can be grown further north that the others.
Types are grouped into 3 divisions based on number of days from pollination until picking and there is an assumed relatedness.The ones I really like are montong,gaan yeow,luang and gumpun.They are not simple or alike in flavor.
Many thai durian are grown in Malaysia and have been crossed with Malay types.In MARDI's D nomenclature many are thai types brought to Malaysia decades ago.
Western palates usually find thai varieties more tasty and acceptable.The argument over which are the better quality will never be resolved as it is a question of taste.Oh yeah many tree ripened thai durian are delicious just as many tree ripened Malaysian durian types are.

Okay, here's how I understand the durian situation in Thailand. This info comes straight from an interview I did at the Department of Agriculture in Chanthaburi. They translated a pamphlet for me.

There are five main families of durian. These are:
1. Kop: 47 varieties
2. Luang: 11 varieties, including 4 chanees
3. Ganyao
4. Kampan - 13 varieties
5. Thongyoi -  14 varieties, including Nockyib

Monthong does not belong to any families, and there is no Monthong family. Like puangmanee, monthong is a branded variety/cultivar. It may differ slightly based on soil type, elevation, tree health and pesticide use, but there you have it. Like I said, Monthong is a clone of a single tree.

If someone has information and can prove me wrong, I would appreciate the tip.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durio testudinarium
« on: January 27, 2013, 12:10:00 PM »
What's the name?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Year of the Durian
« on: January 27, 2013, 11:41:40 AM »
Hi Oscar,

Thanks for your input. I was not aware that Monthong was a group classification, I believed it to be a brand clone similar to "Granny Smith"  or "Golden Delicious" apples. I am aware that there are relatives of Monthong, such as Kradumthong, but these have different names. I will have to look into this more.

No other varieties are currently exported to the United States. We should have clarified.

I've had Monthong fallen off the tree and found them to be very good, while I have never had a cut durian that I thought was extremely good, of any variety. I can actually taste a different flavor in cut durians which detracts from the otherwise good flavor.  So I do not believe that Monthong ripens fully on the tree. Many people told us this as well, but I don't believe it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durio testudinarium
« on: January 18, 2013, 12:18:17 PM »
It was not extremely fleshy, and had a texture very similar to watery jackfruit and not like a durian at all.

I found durio dulcis in Kalimantan and Sabah. I hear there is some near Bintulu in Sarawak as well but I didn't go there.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Small lot import permit
« on: January 15, 2013, 11:45:20 AM »
Can you bring specific  fruit into the USA or just seeds?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durio testudinarium
« on: January 15, 2013, 11:43:37 AM »
During my durian research trip, I found two durio testudinarum trees. One in Kalimantan, the fruits were still immature. We were lucky at the Tenom Agricultural Park to taste one fruit. Here are the links, with pictures

http://www.yearofthedurian.com/2012/12/durian-kura-kura-found.html

http://www.yearofthedurian.com/2012/12/tenom-checklist.html

Despite local lore, I actually thought it tasted pretty good and smelled fine.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Honey Gold Mango Raising its Profile
« on: January 15, 2013, 11:36:48 AM »
I think I saw that one at a supermarket here in LA, for .69 cents each. Any good? I'll buy a few next time I see them!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian Presentation and Party in Los Angeles
« on: January 15, 2013, 11:35:05 AM »
I think it went well, and I had a good time! The presentation was recorded and I'll post a link when it is up on youtube.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian Presentation and Party in Los Angeles
« on: January 04, 2013, 10:14:27 AM »
Quote from: tabbydan on January 03, 2013, 05:24:25 PM
Quote from: fruitlovers on January 03, 2013, 11:20:03 AM

Sounds like a fantastic adventure Lindsey. Next time around you should include Myanmar (Burma). There were huge piles of durian New Year's day in capital city Yangon (Rangoon). I learned last day there best place to find all the fruit vendors is in Chinatown. I'll try to post photos and more info. later.

In Dec-Jan the durian that is sold in Burma is imported from Thailand.  So going to Burma then for durian would not be a good idea.   The Burmese durian season is more like May-June.

I had one durian during my Dec trip in Burma and it was on the low side in terms of quality (because it was probably picked early, spent a fair time in shipping...).  A number of other durians I encountered during the trip didn't pass the smell test (unlike most people durian smells good to me, unless it has gone bad).

December/Jan is not a great time for fruit in Burma.  The durian, mangosteen, salak.... are all imported from Thailand at that point.

I'm not completely certain, but it's possible that Burma experiences a second season in December/January. Most places do, and several people in southern Thailand have emailed me to report that the second season is on down there. I could believe that there is durian growing in southern Burma right now.  As for the quality, if it is the smaller second season, then yes the quality will be poor. It would be very interesting to find out if Burma has a second season!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian Presentation and Party in Los Angeles
« on: January 03, 2013, 12:25:03 PM »
@ Fruitlovers

We did want to go to Myanmar! At the time it was recommended we not go to Myanmar on a US passport, and the southern borders were closed making transport very expensive and inconvenient. Next time :)

@fyliu
We're okay with casual recordings, but please don't publish it on the internet, including on youtube.

@ohiojay
This is our first fruit-fanatical project. We do have more ideas though :D

Hope to see you there!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Durian Presentation and Party in Los Angeles
« on: January 02, 2013, 09:57:43 AM »
Hi Fruit fans!

I want to let you know that my husband Rob and I have returned to the USA from our one year durian obsessive trip around Southeast Asia (www.yearofthedurian.com). To celebrate, we will be hosting a durian tasting and presentation in tandem with Fruitluck in Los Angeles.

You can find out more information and register here: http://www.meetup.com/Fruitluck/events/95947862/


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sarawak fruits part one: Serian market
« on: January 02, 2013, 09:49:26 AM »
About mailing durian seeds from Borneo:

In mid-December 2012 I mailed several batches of durian seeds to people in Australia, Thailand, and Sri Lanka. Here are a few things I learned:

- Fed Ex doesn't serve East Malaysia. If you want to use FedEx, you need to take the seeds by airplane to West Malaysia and mail them there.

- I had bad experiences with Malaysian Pos Laju when mailing personal items home. Although I bought the courier service, which was promised at 5 business days, it took over three weeks for my personal items to return to home. For this reason, I chose to use FedEx for all except one package sent to Thailand, which arrived in less than a week in tip top condition. So I'm not certain which service is best to use.

- I declared durian seeds on all Malaysian forms and there were no problems, other than a lot of paperwork. Make sure you have all the paperwork, as FedEx forgot some and we had to return the next day to fill out more paperwork, delaying our seeds one day.

- The biggest issue is mold. Use a light fungicide to protect your seeds.

- We used damp paper towels in ziplock bags. This seems to have worked fine.

Hope this helps! It is possibly to mail seeds from Borneo


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sarawak fruits part 3: Sibu
« on: January 02, 2013, 09:41:17 AM »
Supposedly it's possibly to find durio dulcis up the river from Bintulu.

If you can, try to make it to the Agricultural Park in Tenom, Sabah. Lots of interesting fruit there.

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