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I would agree and not cut it back yet. Mango trees grown in SoCal start off pretty slow and removing the solar panels will reduce energy for the tree. It’s better to let it get established before performing any major pruning.

Simon

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Just wondering if the newer, tastier varieties of Australian finger limes are in SoCal yet? Does anyone know if the CCPP has them yet? Anybody grow seeds and get lucky with a good tasting variety? Any Nurseries selling the better varieties? Thanks

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Innarched and grafted Jaboticaba trees
« on: April 05, 2018, 12:28:58 PM »
Thanks Xue and Solko,

Yeah, definitely lots of failures with a few successes but all the failures teach me and others what not to do. Hopefully this tree will start producing a little more each year. I’ve seen some really large Sabara trees about double the size of this tree that still hasn’t fruited yet.

Simon

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I got the Oro Blancos from either Mitsuwa Market, Nijiya Market or Hmart. I forget which one but I will be purchasing more this week and I’ll report back when I find out where I got them. They were not bitter at all. I hate most grapefruit I have tried with the exception of Oro Blanco. It is extremely sweet with just enough acidity to make the fruit delicious. I recommend OB for people that normally don’t like grapefruit.

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango epidemic spreading in my yard
« on: April 04, 2018, 09:19:49 AM »
I believe 1 gallon is the smallest size they sell. The best thing to do is to get a group together and then go in on a gallon or find someone that has already purchased a gallon and try to buy some off of them. The problem is that when buying partial bottles off a friend, they are not likely to come with instructions and warning labels but this can be found online.

Abound is a great emergency systemic fungicide if you carefully follow the directions and warnings. There is a fungal disease that is also affecting Sweetheart Lychees here in SoCal. My friend just lost his huge Sweetheart Lychee but when I saw symptoms on my tree, I immediately sprayed and was able to save the tree.

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Innarched and grafted Jaboticaba trees
« on: April 04, 2018, 08:25:30 AM »
I never even saw any flowers. I’ll tske a closer look at the trunk to see if I notice any flowers there. This tree was somewhat hidden in tall weeds so there was a lot of shading. Only the outer canopy of this tree was in sunlight.

Simon

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That looks really bad. I would use it for scions and plant a new tree. The huge crack is at ground level and will be exposed to moisture and insects.

Simon

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Store bought Oro Blanco, April, 14% Brix. Very low acidity, almost no acidity and super sweet. Absolutely delicious!





Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Innarched and grafted Jaboticaba trees
« on: April 03, 2018, 09:52:06 PM »
The fruit





Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Innarched and grafted Jaboticaba trees
« on: April 03, 2018, 09:51:19 PM »
Here’s the pics









Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Innarched and grafted Jaboticaba trees
« on: April 03, 2018, 09:49:59 PM »
I was walking through my jungle today and saw what I thought was a Jaboticaba Fruit sticking up above the weeds where I had several young potted Jaboticabas. I reached down and pulled the potted jab tree out and saw that the tag said Sabara and also noticed that this tree was my double rootstock experiment from this thread. I just can’t believe how early this tree fruited considering it’s a Sabara seedling and the diameter of the trunk is so small.

It’s just a single fruit so nothing to get too hyped up about but it’s still exciting. Maybe I got an off type Sabara seedling or the flower was cross pollinated by a red Jab? Can anyone tell by the leaves if it’s a regular Sabara seedling?

If you look at the diameter of the trunks at the beginning of this thread, you can see how thin my starting material was. If this seedling is a normal Sabara, it seems like I was able to cut in half the time to Fruit from seed. I could only think that it would have taken many more years if I did not innarch these two seedlings.

The double rootstocks definitely increased the rate of growth for this tree. I completely neglected this tree and definitely haven’t been giving it enough water. I will now try to reply it and start watering it regularly to see if I can get more production on it.

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Jim, thank you so much for the response. I wonder if a simple pH probe reading would give us usable information in regards to the sourness of a Fruit?

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: There's always a first time.
« on: April 03, 2018, 07:23:46 PM »
Congratulations, that’s awesome. Just make sure you keep the jab wel watered. Your Miracle Fruit looks like it can use some Iron and other micros, maybe Sulfur to bring down the pH of the soil.

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango epidemic spreading in my yard
« on: April 03, 2018, 06:29:29 PM »
I’m sorry about your trees. Are your trees in ground? Did you over amend with organic matter? What type of fertilizer did you use?

The symptoms do look like Phomopsis but the only way to tell for sure is to send out sample which most of us aren’t willing to do. Since you are in a desperate situation, I would recommend using Abound after you familiarize yourself with the instructions and warnings. The rate would be 1tsp/gallon of water. Class 11 Fungicides are no joke and if used improperly, organisms will build up resistance. Maybe someone in your area has Abound or another fungicide that is effective against Phomopsis. If you can get Abound and decide to use it, read all instructions and warnings carefully. It can kill Apple trees for example, even in minute quantities. You also want to make sure you wear appropriate Personal Protective equipment/gear.

If you catch symptoms early enough and immediately spray, you can save trees. Your trees are close to the tipping point of no return but there’s still hope.

Many Florida trees planted in SoCal end up like this and I’m glad you were brave enough to post this and ask for help. Many other people have experienced this, myself included. Usually the Florida trees take several years to look as bad as yours so I’m guessing there’s something about your yard/climate/diseases in your yard or plant husbandry that may have accelerated your trees decline.

Hopefully you can save your trees but if they don’t make it, try planting Mango seeds of Polyembryonic and Monoembryonic varieties and graft onto the most vigorous seedlings.

I love Mangos so much and I hate seeing people loose trees like this. This is one of the reasons why I perform all my experiments. I may be selling some grafted trees on seedling rootstocks in the coming years.

Simon

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I actually get faster initial growth rates from Monoembryonic Mango seeds and I hypothesized that it was caused by the seedling having all the resources and food energy stored within the seed where as Polyembryonic Mangos have the seed energy dispersed between multiple seedlings.

The context in which I mentioned that Monoembryonic seedlings have too much genetic diversity is that Monoembryonic seedlings are different from clonal rootstocks. Some people new to growing fruit trees might think that all seedlings arising from a Kent Mango seed for example will grow and produce identical Fruit and trees but this is not the case. Two Kent Mango seedlings can have very different growth rates, shape and smell of leaves/sap/Fruit even though both seedlings are from Kent fruit.

The maternal parent is Kent but the pollinating parent could be anything and even if it was selfed, there is recombination of the genes which can affect the resultant seedlings disease resistance, growth rate and Fruit.

Mono embryonic seeds can make excellent rootstocks but you will get offtypes.

Simon

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Awesome, I bet it’s a seedling. I love seeing thriving Mango trees.

Simon

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Home grown Tango harvested in April, 17%Brix

Home grown Gold Nugget, April, 16% Brix

Simon

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Store bought Moro blood orange from March reading, 10% Brix

Store bought Cara Cara from March reading, 13% Brix

Store bought Sky Valley Heirloom Navel Orange from March reading, 15% Brix


The Moro was not as good as in previous years and this Cara Cara was ok but the flavor was not in its prime. The Sky Valley Heirloom Navel was fantastic and tasted like how a good orange should taste like.

Jim, how are you taking your acid readings? I would like to start including this info and I was just going to take a pH reading. Do you perform an actual titration? Thanks,
Simon

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Once the buds start opening, the veg or bloom spikes usually push shortly after, I think around 1-2 weeks. If there are only swollen buds but they have not opened yet, they can stall on the tree for a long time, even 4 weeks or longer in my climate.

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee grafting experiments
« on: March 31, 2018, 01:23:51 PM »
The tops to both my innarched seedlings are starting to push new growth. They were actually already pushing before i innarched and I purposely waited until I saw active growth before grafting but the good news is that the branches continued to push new growth that hasn’t dried up yet. In the innarching process, I cut 1/3 to 1/2 the diameter of the branch off before joining and binding the branches and sometimes the injury causes new growth to dry up. It’s still way too early and I’m still skeptical about the success of these grafts but at least things are looking good so far.






Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar Dragon Fruit variety
« on: March 31, 2018, 01:16:08 PM »
Here’s a picture of my fabric DF pots that I’ve had for about 5 years or so. They are about 16 inches tall and about 30 inches across. The pot is completely filled with roots from top to bottom. I like the wide pots for stability but I also like them deep enough so that they can maintain a constant water level.

I’ve been growing DF for a long time now and one problem many people eventually encounter is the cracking of fruit from inconsistent watering, especially in high heat. The more volume of soil you have, the more consistent the water level. True you can simply have a very fast draining soil and water on a timer to keep water levels consistent but if you want ultra high Japanese quality fruit, you have to withhold watering a bit prior to fruit harvest in order to not water down your fruit.









Simon

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Simon, my wife, son and I sampled the leo#3 fruit this morning.  I was skeptical that it would be as good as a cherimoya but it was excellent.  Very sweet but also nice fragrant slightly perfumy raspberry acid flavor.  My wife said she prefers it to cherimoya.  My son was begging for more once it was gone.  I thought the flavor and texture were excellent.  Very clean taste with good sugar and mild berry aftertaste.  The flesh did not come off as easy close to the skin but the heart of the fruit had exactly cherimoya juicy soft texture.  And the pice of fruit we got had pretty low seed count.  Thanks for the sample, we want more.

Hey Brad, I’m glad your family enjoyed the fruit. Unfortunately that was the last Fruit on Leo’s tree, his crop was decimated by rodents this year. I have a couple grafts from last year that can probably hold fruit but it would probably be smarter to let the grafts grow out so I can get more fruit the following year.

Leo brought a couple of these fruit to the Cherimoya tasting last year but he had to pick them early and they didn’t ripen in time for the tasting.

Simon

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Simon, as you know i have Leo's #1&3 growing on my trees but will be a few years before branches are big enough to fruit but I'll be sure to report to you when they do! My season up here on Central Coast is later than down South and we have cooler Summers so will be interesting to see when they ripen up here. ;)

Scott, I’m glad you were able to get the grafts to take last year. Both the #1 and #3 are great fruit. I can’t wait for the taste report when yours finally fruits. Please keep us updated!

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Breeding Cherimoyas/Atemoyas?
« on: March 31, 2018, 11:36:36 AM »
Mike, thanks for saving me the time looking up all those varieties. I would love to breed the near seedlessness of the pinks Mammoth into the progeny of these experiments. One thing I definitely want to keep in these fruit is the acidity that I feel Sugar apples and many Atemoya lack.

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Breeding Cherimoyas/Atemoyas?
« on: March 31, 2018, 12:32:45 AM »
Mike, thanks for the information! I am a novice when it comes to Annonas, are Mamouths, Pa ton Prolific or Hillary White acidic like a Cherimoya? I wonder if we have these in SoCal yet.

Simon

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