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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Multi-rootstock avocados?
« on: March 01, 2018, 04:24:55 PM »
Sam, please keep us updated on your tree. The graft looks great and the additional rootstock looks like itís grown so much. Hopefully production will pick up once your tree gets a little larger.

Socal10b, canít wait to see the update.

Vernmented, are your double rootstock trees all seedling trees? Letís see some pictures!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Multi-rootstock avocados?
« on: March 01, 2018, 02:12:58 AM »
Socal10b, can you post some updates on your multiple rootstock avocado? Any additional info you can give regarding production and growth will be greatly appreciated. I am considering planting out several multiple rootstock avocados at my friends place. Thanks,


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: CRYSTAL Seedless Guava Scions
« on: March 01, 2018, 02:02:32 AM »
Hey Xue, do you have any trees for sale?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Spanish Pineapple Plants
« on: February 28, 2018, 11:15:12 PM »
 Beautiful Jimmy, do you recall giving this plant a lot of fertilizer? Iím guessing that my over fertilization with Nitrogen on my White Jade induced it to form all those slips. I wanted a bunch of slips the first round but now that I have enough plant material, I want bigger fruit and less slips.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Identifying Mangos to Plant Seed
« on: February 28, 2018, 10:59:04 PM »
How long for the seedlings to fruit typically from seed?

I believe this is variety specific for polyembryonic varieties and is likely heavily influenced by climate and other factors such as how well the tree is cared for. I can only assume that a well cared for tree in a warmer climate will reach sexual maturity much faster than a poorly cared for tree in a colder climate. Iíve heard people saying anywhere from 4-10 years. I would guess that in Florida, a seedling mango tree will flower and try to hold fruit at around 4-6 years but Iím just guessing.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Identifying Mangos to Plant Seed
« on: February 28, 2018, 10:53:08 PM »
Thank you for the replies.

When the seedlings come up, do you separate them and plant them in their own space, or just let them grow in the space they started? Also, are there resources for scions that you (all) like? I saw there was a scion exchange, but I guess that is a beginning of the year thing only.

Finally, generally, what is appropriate fruiting size for a mango tree? 6 feet in any direction?


I keep all the seedlings together. Once they fruit, I will keep the clone and top work any seedlings that donít taste good.

I order my scions from Florida. Squam256 is a great resource for scions and Trulytropical also sells scions although Iíve never ordered from them before.

Fruiting size depends on the owner of the tree. If you want a small tree and are only expecting a few fruit from your tree each year, you can graft at a smaller size and allow the tree to hold fruit at a smaller size to control the growth of the tree.

If you want lots of fruit from a bigger tree, let the tree establish longer and allow it to grow thick strong scaffold branches before top working the tree. After the grafts take, remove fruit for the first year or two in order to allow the scions to grow out.

Here in SoCal, many of us have experienced die back of grafts if we allow recently grafted branches to fruit.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
« on: February 28, 2018, 10:19:48 PM »
Thanks for the info Jeff!

I have several OS seedlings growing and vigor is a good thing in SoCal. Lemon Zest has horrible issues with Powdery Mildew here, hopefully OS will perform a little better in that respect. I already have PPK and LZ so OS, if I select the right clone, will round out this trifecta.


If you do side veneers, you can put on several grafts. Younger wood is easier to graft but avoid new flushes. Cleft grafts are usually easier but in your situation, I would go with the side veneer unless you are new to grafting.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangos, Mangos, Mangos CRFG
« on: February 28, 2018, 08:29:55 AM »
Thanks for the info gozp, that was a fun day!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Identifying Mangos to Plant Seed
« on: February 28, 2018, 08:28:40 AM »
I agree with WGphil,

If you plant a polyembryonic seed, keep all the seedlings. One of them should be zygotic and thus not a clone but the rest should be a clone or very similar to the original fruit. Let them all fruit and top work the ones that donít taste good but give it several years because first year fruits are often poor quality.

You could plant seeds now or when it warms up a bit and then graft next year but then your tree will likely fruit the following winter after you graft which will slow down growth every year around winter as it tries to flower and fruit. Itís best to plant the seeds and let them grow several years and then top work them when they reach fruiting size.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Identifying Mangos to Plant Seed
« on: February 27, 2018, 07:22:08 PM »
If you do not want to graft, I recommend you plant seeds from Polyembryonic varieties. If you have access to Sweet Tart, Po Pyu Kalay, Lemon Zest, Orange Sherbet, Nam Doc Mai, these will be good varieties to plant because they are polyembryonic and if you get more than one sprout, one of the sprouts may be a clone and give you good quality fruit without grafting.

These seeds are difficult if not impossible to find here in SoCal so you may want to try planting Ataulfo/Champagne/Manilla mango seeds instead because they are also polyembryonic but are readily available in our local markets.

If you plant a Monoembryonic seed from the common large round green to rainbow colored Mango, there is no telling what type of fruit you will get when it finally fruits. They do make good rootstocks however so if you learn to graft, I recommend you plant a bunch of different types of mango seeds to see which one adapts best to your particular soil conditions. If youíre after good quality fruit and you donít know how to graft, plant a polyembryonic variety.

You can also buy pre grafted trees but they may grow slow and get droopy although you will likely get fruit very shortly after planting. Getting fruit from a young, unestablished tree is actually really bad for your tree and is one of the main reasons small grafted trees grow slowly, they expend too much energy on flowering and fruit production.


Thanks for sharing the link, thatís a great find!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee grafting experiments
« on: February 26, 2018, 03:34:22 PM »
Thanks for the support everyone!

Ethan, Iím glad you had success with grafting Lychees. You and Max are both very skilled grafters to accomplish this task.

Har, thanks for the valuable information. This gives me more hope that I will be successful and that there are benefits to grafted Lychee trees.

Andrewq, thatís right, a member here(fruit4me) has successfully grafted Lychee onto Longan and was even able to get the Lychee graft to Fruit on the Longan rootstock. See this thread:

Fang, I replanted the seedlings into tall narrow pots. I had to use narrow pots because I need to bring the potted seedling Lychees closer to the named varieties I will be innarching them to.

I looked at my plant tags and some seedlings are about 1 year old but some are closer to 2 years old.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: SaveMeJebus Yard Tour: 2018 Update
« on: February 26, 2018, 09:11:19 AM »
Beautiful yard and trees. I can only imagine what Iíd plant if I had that much yard space.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee grafting experiments
« on: February 25, 2018, 06:10:50 PM »
Hereís a closeup shot of the roots. Notice that there is no indication that the roots have been colonized by mycorrhizal fungi.

I just transplanted these seedlings into their new pots so I have to wait until they recover from the transplant shock before innarching them.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee grafting experiments
« on: February 25, 2018, 06:07:20 PM »
Here are some Lychee seedlings that I started about a year ago. I planted them in a relatively tall pot and the tap root seems to like to grow down deep. Notice that the length of the roots is almost identical to the height of the vegetative shoot.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Lychee grafting experiments
« on: February 25, 2018, 06:01:41 PM »
Lychees are one of my favorite fruit and Iíve been growing them for some time now but unfortunately they just donít grow well in ground at my house because of my alkaline soil and water. Iíve resorted to growing them in pots for now and I also planted trees at my in laws place where their soil is closer to neutral pH.

In the past, I was growing some highly coveted varieties like Kwa Luk, No Mai Tsze and Salathiel but they all eventually succumbed to my poor soil conditions. Reports from people I contacted in Florida indicated that Kwa Luk and No Mai Tsze are particularly susceptible adverse soil conditions and many of the trees for these two varieties eventually died.

Emperor is another Lychee that Iíve noticed performs poorly on its own roots if soil conditions are not ideal. Iíve personally experienced this myself with my Emperor growing great for a couple years and then it dies out of the blue.

Because of these circumstances I have to deal with, I decided to try innarch grafting Emperor onto seedling rootstocks to see if I can get it to grow faster and to survive long term in my poor soil.

I will also be innarching two Lychee seedlings together to see if they will grow faster with two rootstocks. After the Union has healed, I will innarch a named variety onto the double rootstock seedling tree.

A third experiment I will be testing out is to innarch a Longan seedling to a Lychee seedling. Once the graft heals, I will top off the Longan seedling leaving the Lychee top which I will then innarch a named variety onto.

My fourth experiment is to follow the same technique I used for growing avocado and directly plant Lychee seeds in my alkaline soil and hope that the seedling with its intact tap root will be better able to adapt to the native soil.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Natal Queen Pineapple plant
« on: February 25, 2018, 03:39:02 PM »
Love that beautiful red color, canít wait for the taste report!


Alphonso definitely has some PM issues grown in San Diego and the flavor of the fruit is also not as good as those grown in India but who knows, the fruit I harvested from my tree were on a small tree and it was on Florida Turpentine rootstock so it wasnít very healthy.

If I recall correctly, itís best to spray before blooms open and then again after Fruit set but it depends what youíre using. Baking soda water is pretty benign so you may want to try it on half the tree.

An orchard type Sulfur  spray may also work but I donít know if it will inhibit Fruit set if you spray on open blooms.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Using weights on young mango trees
« on: February 23, 2018, 09:29:35 PM »
One observation Iíve noticed is that sometimes Mother Nature will weigh the scaffold branches down by herself. There were several instances where I tied down vertical branches and forced them to about a 30-45 degree angle. When the dormant buds branched out, the weight of the new branches and leaves caused the branch to to go completely horizontal. Once Fruit formed on the branches, the weight of the fruit caused the branches to drag down to the ground. This happened on my Cherimoya tree.

Hereís a great article on pruning Mango


What variety is that? Some varieties seem better able to hold fruit even with PM on the blooms and other varieties like Lemon Zest seem to have issues setting full sized fruit when thereís PM. I think Har is the best person to answer this question. Iíve personally sprayed newly opened blooms with a systemic fungicide, Abound, and as far as Iím aware, there were no issues.

Iíve also read about the use of baking soda to inhibit PM growth. I use baking soda water to inhibit Fungal growth on my indoor wheatgrass cultures. I use about 1 tablespoon per gallon. Iíve never tried it on Mango though.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar Cane and Sorghum Cane juicing.
« on: February 23, 2018, 12:35:46 PM »
I still have my original manual sugarcane juicer and I still use it very often and Iíve had no issues with it. I would not get a hydraulic press. Iíve never used one before but Iíve seen them in action before and it takes too much prep work and will not be as efficient as a purpose made sugar cane juicer.

If you get a juicer, make sure it has at least three rollers, avoid the squid type juicers with two rollers. When I use my GPF juicer, I get probably 90% of the juice out in the first pass. I get so much juice that sometimes I only do one pass.

Manual juicing with my juicer is very fast, easy and efficient but it does take some muscle work. The juicer I have can be mechanized by adding an electric motor but then I wouldnít be getting the exercise. If you will be processing a lot of sugarcane at a frequent schedule, I recommend getting an electric juicer like the ones offered by Tubobiz.

Iím a pretty strong guy and itís a good workout juicing 1 gallon of juice. The most I can physically do by myself in one sitting is 2 gallons and it works up a good sweat. Take into consideration that 1 gallon turns into 2 gallons after you dilute in half with ice or water. My canes are usually between 21-23% sugar and itís too sweet to drink straight.

If you get a manual juicer, go for the newer model because it is built better and is less rusty. My sugarcane juicer is one of the best investments Iíve made in Tropicalfruit growing. I bring a couple gallons of juice to our Cherimoya/Mango tastings and itís always a hit.

The cane is sweetest in Winter and the bottom portions of the cane is much sweeter than the top.


Hey Mark, the Gel2 foot pots are indicated for greenwood cuttings so not sure if theyíll work for Cherimoya scions but itís worth a try.

Iím downing a pint of Pliny the Younger so Iím surprised I can even type!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First Frost of the year
« on: February 21, 2018, 09:20:17 AM »
I didnít get any frost this morning and hopefully the cold front has moved on. The temperature was 40f at my place this morning. I have some minor frost damage on Younger Mango leaves already showing but everything else looks good so far.


Itís ok to loosen the soil a bit to allow the roots push through compacted soil. Once you bury it with native soil, it is ok to put a top dress of Sulfur if the pH of your soil is too low but itís probabl not required. Avocado also love to be mulched. Please keep us updated on how it grows for you.

Iíve had several people pm me about their success growing direct planted seedlings after failing with nursery trees.


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