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Nate, try searching scholarly articles for S/H Megalanthus. There is an article talking about the development of the giant Fruit.


I have already read through many of the papers that show up on Google Scholar, including those from the university in Israel that is working to develop commercially viable dragonfruit, and those that are searching for the origin of H. undatus. Can you please just post the article you're talking about? I've spent many hours already researching this subject, so telling me to do some research isn't very helpful. If you don't want to spend the time to find the article, could you just tell me if you or anyone has actually shown one of these fruiting outside a commercial plantation in Taiwan/South America? You said you knew from personal experience this one flowers later. Does that mean yours flowered?

Nate, I remember i had to do a lot of digging before I found the article on the Selected strains of Giant Megalanthus.

You can easily look up that Megalanthus has a later flowering period, any Megalanthus, not just the giant selection. I have one fruit from an unconfirmed giant Megalanthus but the plant is small so even if it is the giant, the fruit size may be medium although I should still be able to notice the difference in fin patterns and the more rounded shape.

I also have a seedling from Dragon that should Fruit next Winter.

Iíll post the link if/when I can find it. If I found the info about the selection of the giant fruit in the past, you should be able to find it to with some more in depth searching.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First haul of strawberries
« on: December 10, 2017, 08:25:10 AM »
Nice, are those Mara Des Boise?


Nate, try searching scholarly articles for S/H Megalanthus. There is an article talking about the development of the giant Fruit.


I actually wouldnít want this fruit any sweeter. Unlike some of the purple/magenta colored fruit, this Fruit has less acidity to balance out the high sugar.


Does anyone actually know if these aren't just standard megalanthus grown in better conditions? Simon, how do you know these flower later, and is it possible it's just due to growing conditions? Megalanthus are very finicky. It wouldn't surprise me if they fruit much bigger when they're in their native environment, which I think is equatorial highlands.

Nate, the Megalanthus flowers much later and I know this from personal experience and from literature. The info is easy to find if you do a search. Also, there are different selections of the Megalanthus and their appearance is very noticeable. Take a look at the pictures I posted with the gian next to a regular Megalanthus. The regular has fine that are closely spaced and are ovoid in shape where as the selected large Megalanthus is rounder and has spaced fins.

Iíve posted several threads with pictures of various selections of the giant Megalanthus including the ones that started the giant Yellow Megalanthus craze when I post about the giant fruit I found in Hong Kong about ten years ago.

I also have a post about Megalanthus crosses but youíll have to do a search to find it.

You can get slightly larger fruit with good culture but youíll get much larger fruit if you start with good genetics.


Pasca, it depends where and how the fruit is grown. For commercial varieties, I would assume they grow these fruit in large fields with just this one variety in that field. The Megalanthus also flowers much later than other common varieties so they are most likely selfed meaning they were pollinated by its own pollen. I would guess that the seedlings will be very similar but it depends how genetically diverse that particular strain is. If the particular strain was highly selected and the traits were set or are dominant, the seedlings should be very similar but there is always a chance you get an off type.

SonnyCrockett, the fruit was sold with the spines removed but for the Fruit Iím growing, they brush off easily when the fruit is ripe. I use a toothbrush to remove the spines from my fruit.


Here is the fruit cut open, it has a Brix of 20% near the center of the Fruit and 16% on the outer edge of the Fruit. This fruit is very delicious and tastes very sweet, reminds me of Agave nectar. The large crunchy seeds are very fun to chew on and my daughters love this fruit.


Here is the giant yellow next to my regular yellow

Next to Frankieís Red

On the scale and next to a large chicken egg for scale


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Giant Yellow Ecuador Megalanthus Dragonfruit
« on: December 08, 2017, 04:43:04 PM »
I stopped by Nijiya Market today and noticed again that they had giant yellow Megalanthus type Dragonfruit for sale. I passed on the Fruit last time because there was only one left and it didnít look good but they had a whole case of them today so I picked up a few.

The sign says they are from Thailand but the sticker says they are from Ecuador. From the internet research Iíve done in the last 10 years, i would believe that these fruit are from Ecuador and not Thailand.

I purchased three fruit and the Fruit averages about 12 Oz each. Each fruit costs $9.99 each and they are not sold by the pound so in terms of price per pound, it works out to about $13.33/pound for these fruit.


maybe some one accidentally started the fire. Like throwing cigarette butts while driving down the freeway/street. Seen lots of people do that.

Those people that do that should all be arrested and put into jail until they complete and pass a course in common sense safety.


I use a variety of different fertilizers on my fruit trees depending on their state and rate of growth. I use the Espoma Citrus tone starting in Spring when my trees are starting to kick into gear because it will release nutrients slowly and feed the microbial life which in turn feeds the worms and other organisms in the soil.

If my trees set a heavy crop, I also give frequent but very dilute feedings with SulPoMag, Azomite and Gypsum but not at the same time.

Last year, I also started feeding my trees with Nutricote smart release fertilizer which is great for trees that are frequently irrigated because other types of fertilizers may get washed away with frequent waterings, this is probably most noticeable in sandy soils or with potted plants.

Hereís a pic of my lemon tree which gave me about 150 lemons already and probably still has over 100 fruit on it, leaves are a little chlorotic because of the extremely heavy fruit load year after year.


Thanks Trung,

The news stations are now reporting that there are several fires breaking out around the county. Stay safe everyone!


I felt two earthquakes at my house yesterday, the news said there were a total of 4, and the winds are now blowing like Iíve never seen before. My neighbors debris is in my yard and my yard debris is now downwind of me getting blown around town. Many of my potted plants are blown over and several trees almost snapped in half.

The few remaining Cherimoya I had hanging on the tree have blown off and winds are still supposed to pick up. I could barely keep my eyes open because dirt keeps blowing into them.

My neighbors banana tree is already leaning halfway into my yard and it looks like it may crush my mango, Achachairu and Lucs Mexican Mangosteen.

I hope everyone in SoCal stays safe and receives minimal damage to their plants and property.


It depends how well you take care of them. If you water and fertilize properly, they will probably fruit in about 4-5. I fruited a couple Cherimoya from seeds but it was a long time ago and I wasnít taking notes.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Jade Pineapple
« on: December 05, 2017, 11:10:19 AM »
Fang, it is lower acid but I believe most the commercial varieties nowadays are pretty low acid as well. The ripe Kuai White Sugarloaf I ordered from Jude had some acidity, more than I thought actually. I believe that as the Fruit matures, the sugar level increases so that the sugar acid balance is better and the acidity is not as noticeable.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Jade Pineapple
« on: December 04, 2017, 11:15:13 PM »
Iím still alive and no stomach ache last night. I ate another round of the White Jades with a miracle fruit and it tastes excellent! Without the miracle Fruit, the fruit would have been a complete waste unless I blended it up in a smoothie with a bunch of sugar or other sweet fruit.

Mark, let us know how it goes, hopefully it will fruit for you.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Jade Pineapple
« on: December 03, 2017, 10:22:23 PM »
I sniffed my White Jade Pineapple( snapped off way too prematurely) today and it finally had a slight sweet Pineapple smell to it. The peduncle was completely dried out but the fruit still looked edible so I cut it open. It had a super soft core and the flesh had a great texture. Unfortunately, the Pineapple was not sweet at all, it had a Brix reading of 8%. It was able to develop a bit of flavor and the little bit of flavor I was able to detect tasted very similar to the White Sugarloaf.

I then ate a miracle fruit and then tried the pineapple again and it tasted fantastic and very sweet. I only ate a few pieces because Iím afraid of adverse reactions from eating an under ripe pineapple so Iíll eat the rest tomorrow if I donít get an upset stomach tonight.

Iím glad I was able to salvage this fruit and at least Iíve learned my lesson to support the heavy Fruit before it snaps. I can only imagine how good it would have tasted if I were able to harvest this fruit fully ripe!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: California Super Mango rootstock experiment
« on: December 03, 2017, 09:41:59 PM »
Here is the next round of multiple rootstock trees. In case you havenít been following my threads, Iíve made a lot of progress in regards to finding out what does and doesnít work.

For this round of grafts, ive decided to add only one additional rootstock because having more than one additional rootstock only increases the growth by a little and doesnít warrant the time and materials to justify the slight increase in growth.

For the additional rootstock, I chose to use the Puerto Rican Turpentine rootstock suggested to me my Leo Manuel and so far, it is showing exceptional growth compared to all other rootstocks Iíve tested so far.

I am innarching seedlings from top tier polyembryonic varieties such as Orange Sherbet, Lemon Zest and Sweet Tart along with a few Monoembryonic varieties. Iím using these polyembryonic varieties because the clonal nature of the non zygotic seedlings should give me plants nearly identical to the parent variety without inheriting the florigenic hormones circulating in mature scion wood.

Iím avoiding mature scion wood because my DSG( Double Stone Graft) experiments taught me that the cold weather in my marginal climate is too strong a stimulus and will undoubtedly promote flowering even in seedlings within the first winter.

By utilizing top tier polyembryonic seedlings, I can create robust, strong double rootstock trees that grow at an accelerated rate due to having multiple rootstocks and I avoid unnecessary expenditure of energy which is normally wasted by flowering and holding onto fruit. Instead of flowering my CSMR trees have gone into a dormant state in Winter and then flushed with vigor once warm weather arrives. I can imagine that all the energy that would have gone into flowering is now saved up and stored in the tree, potentially allowing the young tree to push one or more additional vegetative flushes.

Here is an Orange Sherbet seedling innarched with one additional PR Turpentine rootstock. I will allow the grafted area to heal over at which point, the callous tissue would have expanded and started to split the parafilm. Once the grafted region has completely healed, I will top the PR Turpentine seedling leaving only the selected seedling with two intact root systems.

Lemon Zest

Sweet Tart

Edward Seedling, Edward is a cross between a polyembryonic and Monoembryonic Mango and anecdotal evidence suggests it may have slightly better resistance to both Anthracnose and Powdery Mildew. This seedling will be grafted with a Lemon Zest scion in the future to see if it is able to fruit in locations heavily infested with Powdery Mildew.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya prices skyrocketing
« on: December 03, 2017, 08:42:09 PM »
Frank, I agree that we need to diversify and try other types of Annonas. Iím super excited about Leo Manuelís Cherimoya/Atemoya hybrid as well as the Annona Rosada. The color of the Annona Rosada is absolutely beautiful and I dream about one day seeing Cherimoya, Atemoya and Illama on display at a local farmers market.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Big papaya tree
« on: December 03, 2017, 09:40:34 AM »
That tree is beautiful, thanks for sharing. I wonder if the owners are able to harvest the fruit since itís so high up? That is the largest papaya tree Iíve ever seen!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dont be a Stupid Plucker
« on: December 02, 2017, 10:14:47 PM »
Glad you are ok, Iíve had close calls harvesting dragonfruit from my back porch and also picking Lychees from high up in the trees. I realize that as I get older, I will eventually have to bring down the height of all my trees if I want to avoid hiring gardeners to help with pruning and fruit picking.


Hey Mark, I never planted out the Namibia Orange you gave me, I forget what happened to it. Leo probably still has his, Iíll check with him next time I visit.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya prices skyrocketing
« on: December 02, 2017, 04:27:24 PM »
They should start producing a lot more once the trees are fully mature. Cherimoya trees can get huge and you can easily get over 100 fruit on an established large tree. Annonas are definitely worth planting. Did you get any exceptional tasting fruit from your seed grown trees?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Cherimoya prices skyrocketing
« on: December 02, 2017, 01:55:25 PM »
Iíve been purchasing Cherimoyas from the local markets for years and have noticed a steady rise in the price per pound but this year, itís reached an all time high. The American grocery stores are selling Cherimoyas for $10+ a pound and even my local Asian market has marked up the price from $4.99/pound to $6.99/pound.

Howís the price elsewhere? The farmers markets still have reasonable prices for their ďBĒ grade Fruit, $3.99/pound and last time I checked their ďAĒ grade was going for $4.99-5.99/pound depending on the vendor.

I havenít checked Whole Foods but they are probably the most expensive. This is an Excellent backyard fruit because itís easy to grow, not readily available in the markets and the varieties in the markets are very limited.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sweet tart mango fruiting already
« on: December 01, 2017, 05:04:11 PM »
I donít see any Fruit set in your picture but those are blooms you have. You are still far from harvesting fruit but at least you have blooms now. The blooms still have to survive rain, cold and actually set and ripen Fruit. Good luck with your blooms, ST is a very good Mango, one of the best!


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