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Citrus General Discussion / Re: First Fruiting of Sanguinelli Blood Orange
« on: February 13, 2019, 04:28:53 PM »
No worries.  I think Cara Cara is supposed to do pretty well here.  I am not a big orange guy, I tend to prefer mandarins but threw in a couple of blood oranges for variety. 


Citrus General Discussion / Re: First Fruiting of Sanguinelli Blood Orange
« on: February 12, 2019, 10:00:32 PM »
You GA guys will have to post some pics when yours bear, I'm sure they will put mine to shame with the pigmentation.  It will be good to see pics of some getting a proper chill to kick off those pigments.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please id this matoa-like fruit
« on: February 08, 2019, 03:24:22 PM »
Do you know if this Dracontomelon costatum is dioecious or monoecious?  Information online is scarce & seems to be conflicting.


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Looking for Angiopteris evecta
« on: February 05, 2019, 12:04:37 AM »
Angiopteris get HUGE! Unless you have a rather large conservatory/greenhouse, I doubt they would survive outside in St. Augustine

Yeah, I am living where I can plant it outside & I am still debating whether I want to tie up the space with it.  You would need an extremely large greenhouse to attempt one of these under glass.


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Looking for Angiopteris evecta
« on: February 03, 2019, 12:25:05 AM »
Mule's foot fern, got them growing as invasives on the big island.  A very impressive plant, I keep going back & forth about whether I want to devote the space for one.  They are ferns so I guess you could try to get spores from somewhere.  They come up here as volunteers, near places where they are grown (like the Hawaii Tropical Botanic Garden).


I don't see what's so wrong with using your pictures, provided they are selling plants that actually look like the picture.
Sometimes a seller will use someone else's picture if they had neglected to take a picture when their plants were in flower or had fruit hanging on them. Or sometimes they'll use someone else's picture before they have an opportunity to take their own, for example if the plants are not big enough to produce fruits yet.

Using another seller's pictures can sometimes be one of the signs of a scam, but it is not always necessarily so.
Using someone else's photos is basically stealing.  It is different if you have their permission to use them.  At the VERY LEAST, they should be citing where they got the pics from, giving credit to the owner.

Oops, Rick slipped in before my response ...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dropping in ground Lucís Garcinia
« on: January 28, 2019, 09:20:02 PM »

i have a barrel i can wrap with shade cloth and that should work. maybe i'll try out the cripple one first in the hoop and bring the nicer one out of the shaded area to a partially shaded area closer to where I want to plant it!

I know a lot of people make the barrel out of some type of wire fence like hogwire and then cover it with shadecloth.  A lot of people just leave them on until the plant grows out the top.  I was making a lot of these so I just made a bunch out of the orange plastic fencing you can get a Home Depot (they stuff they had a few years ago worked much better than the current stuff).  I would staple it into a barrel shape with a heavy duty stapler & then staple the shadecloth to the fence material.  I would secure these with 2-4 bamboo stakes (depending upon the size of the barrel).  The bamboo stakes don't last too long in Hilo weather but long enough to harden off the seedlings.

I made hoops with galvanized wire used for bracing for the hogwire fencing.  You can cut it to size appropriate for the seedling & just bend it into a hoop shape.  I'd then tie shadecloth on the hoop to drape down over the seedling & cover it.  If it was a larger seedling, I might also might up a wire spreader(s) to hold the shadecloth off the seedling.  The hoops worked fine and had the benefit that you could lift some of the shadecloth up to harden off the seedling after it was out there a while.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dropping in ground Lucís Garcinia
« on: January 28, 2019, 03:48:56 PM »
I've got mine in full sun & they are doing fine.  No supplemental water here (but I am right outside of Hilo).  I would start them out with shade (I have used both "shade barrels" & "shade hoops" to create shade, using old discarded shade cloth from greenhouses) and gradually ease them into sun.  I would take it slow for the transition (I have heard that Honolulu area can run about 10 deg warmer & I believe a little less humidity) and you probably should use some supplemental watering until they get settled in.

I have put out some plants that were pretty small.  For most, if you give them shade & control the weeds, it is not an issue.  I think the ones I have lost has been due to not watching the weeds well enough.


Citrus General Discussion / First Fruiting of Sanguinelli Blood Orange
« on: January 26, 2019, 07:24:54 PM »
I tried my first fruit of my sanguinelli blood orange today.  My young tree was really too small to be bearing fruit but I let it keep the two fruit it set this year anyway.  The tree is planted at probably 650-700' elevation here just outside of Hilo, HI.  Advice I had seen indicated that only Moro blood orange was worth growing here and that the others would not develop any color at all.  I planted a Moro and a Sanguinelli with low expectations for either developing any real blood pigmentation due to our lack of any real cold snaps here.

I was uncertain about the ripeness of the oranges.  Regular oranges sometimes do not color up well here so I was not sure what to expect from a blood orange.  The orange developed a nice deep orange color with a little rosy blush -- not the exterior color Sanguinelli is noted for but very nice!  I was uncertain about the ripeness of the oranges; I would be gently probing & squeezing to see when they seem to have a little more "give".  When I tried it today, it came off in my hand -- so maybe a bit over-ripe? 

I was amazed when I cut the orange open, it had developed some nice rosy coloration in the flesh as well!  The flavor was mild, low acid, mildly sweet, and juicy.  It was sort of "citrusy" but not a typical orange flavor.  There was another flavor -- maybe peach? -- that seemed more predominant.  If I were blindfolded and someone popped this in my mouth, I would have no clue of what kind of fruit it was.  My wife is not a fan of oranges but we both enjoyed it.  I suspect it will improve significantly in the future.  The fruit had 14 well developed seeds as well as 3 or 4 small aborted ones.  Since I had no other citrus flowering at this time, I have decided to try to grow out the seeds.  With no other citrus blooming, this will be a "selfing" (as plant breeders say) where it will just be juggling around the genes of Sanguinelli so there could be some interesting variants coming out of this.

The bottom line is, if you are in HI or similar tropical areas, do not just dismiss Sanguinelli as unsuited for your orchard.  It might not color up as well as in subtropical areas but you might still be pleasantly surprised.


An interesting (& helpful) paper on pollination in Annonaceae:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sibu: a rare fruit supermarket !
« on: January 18, 2019, 04:11:52 PM »
Did you sample the buah langir?  I have heard it is supposed to be very sweet but have heard no particulars about the flavor or how much flesh there is?  If you could provide any details, it would be appreciated.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pulasan trees flowering . . .
« on: January 06, 2019, 11:32:56 AM »
Congratulations, Doug.  I hope you have a pair in there, you'll have to let us know how it turns out.  I'm happy to hear that two trees in one hole appears to be working out.  I've done the same thing with a number of different species (based on forum members' advice) and none of mine have fused yet but some are approaching this.


Here is an old paper by Swingle on a rarely seen citrus relative:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Giant LauLau experience
« on: December 12, 2018, 02:17:00 PM »
I've never heard glowing reports either.  I think most reports I have seen say it is insipid.  I have one here in Hawaii and it, so far, has been growing slowly.  I am hoping it is nearing the point where it will kick into gear and start to put on some serious growth.  I think it is one of those fruit that are grown for its novelty value, not its flavor.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Another rewarding Borneo fruit trip
« on: December 12, 2018, 02:09:58 PM »
Looks like a great trip.  What areas are you visiting in Borneo on this one?


I believe seeds for all of these except the Annona would be available from Oscar at Fruitlovers, Jim West in Ecuador, or Montoso in Puerto Rico.  You should be able to find links for them in the seed source section, above.


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Raulglezruiz
« on: November 14, 2018, 12:28:08 AM »
I've always had good luck with anything from Raul.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jackfruit Berried Treasure
« on: November 09, 2018, 04:32:46 PM »
It has been a rough year with a rainy spring and then a near miss by a hurricane that dumped about 4' of water here in a couple of days.  My berry jack has been a trooper though, blooming throughout (& still blooming now).  It is carrying 3 fairly large (8-10") fruits now, several smaller ones (probably 5-6") and several blossoms; it is looking pretty promising that I'll have some to taste this year.  I have another berry seedling that seems to be much less vigorous (at least so far).  I also have a Ziman Pink that was a larger, grafted tree.  This berry jack has blown by that tree in growth and is carrying fruit while the Ziman has blasted all the fruit the past two years.  The bigger fruits are not the prettiest I have seen but I am hoping that will taste as good as the mother tree in Aus that Mike T was so good to send seed from.

Pics of the bigger fruits:

Tropical Fruit Online Library / Starting coffee from green beans
« on: November 08, 2018, 06:31:56 PM »
I noticed a posting about "rare" coffee seed being available.  I don't know if it is general knowledge but coffee can be germinated from fresh green coffee beans so you can then have access to truly topshelf varieties like gesha and others.  I have not yet tried this (I am waiting to develop some "overstory" first) so I cannot comment on the germination rate.  If you search on line, there are many articles on it, here is one:

I have a few varieties of blackberry that have been fruiting for me here outside of Hilo at 600-700' altitude.  I decided to give them a try based upon a guy a short way down the coast (at similar altitude) that was successfully fruiting Natchez.  I'd need to check which ones are fruiting for me.  Correspondence with a prof at University of Arkansas put Natchez at 300-400 chill hours so I selected clones that were the same or less.  I see Navaho listed as 800 chill hours so I would try one with less if I were you.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Bellucia sp. pollination
« on: October 16, 2018, 09:23:37 PM »
If any of you have ordered Bellucia grossularioides from Jim West (or other Bellucia sp for that matter), it appears that they are self-incompatible so at least a couple need to be planted.  I will enter the link to the paper in the library section.

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