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Thanks for posting, Oscar.  This one certainly even looks more enticing than xanthoxylon.  Do you know if the grower has more than one tree?  I had talked to a couple of people here with xanthoxylon who have single trees that have never borne so it was raising the question of dioecy or the need to cross pollinate.

If you are trying to start any from seeds, I recall that xanthoxylon is extremely prone to damping off so you should be prepared to treat for this quickly if it shows up in its cousin.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First safou harvest
« on: August 03, 2019, 12:58:28 PM »
Safou has been one of the most difficult things to get information on.  Itís from Africa and much of Africa is dry, like California but it seems to come from a more tropical, wet area.  But this seems to span Cameroon, to the Congo.  There are highlands there.  Maybe one of our members from central Africa might know more.  Itís a very attractive tree with a good, avocado like fruit.
Congrats on fruiting this Peter, you'll have to be sure to post more info as you learn more about the trees by growing them.

There's not a lot of info on these online but there is a lot more than many other African fruits.  The Lost Crops of Africa book devotes an entire chapter to this one.  At lot of the info in the chapter is marginally useful fluff (sounds like it is geared towards UN bureaucrats) but there is also some good solid info in there as well.  If you do not have the book, it used to be possible to find a free pdf copy online.  There are also various articles on it and, of course, the Roy Danforth / Paul Noren book on Congo fruits.

Thanks, Ed.  I'll have to give it a try.  I sometimes feel like I need 3 hands when trying to secure a rubber band on a graft, this method should make it easier & secure the graft in place much better.


This looks pretty interesting.  Is the graft itself a cleft?  It seems like the tie wrap would present some problems if left on too long, how long do you typically leave it on? 


I have a couple dozen or so inga of 4-5 different species planted along my boundary.  I would not expect them to do too well in a hurricane but could probably be "repaired" & would recover from it.  I had one topple over on its side in some gusts we had one day but were no where near hurricane force (I'm guessing maybe 4 mos. ago).  The tree was maybe ~15' tall, I am not positive without checking but it think it was I. feuillei.    I lopped off a lot of the branches to try to give the wind less to act on until it could root in better again.  I used my tractor to pull it back upright and some ropes with t-posts to secure it upright.  It has been growing back nicely and you would not know anything had ever happened to it.  It may be our frequent rain and our clay soil but I do not see these as being deeply rooted trees but with many of the roots running right along the top of the soil.  I don't believe that the wood is very high strength but I also have not noted any branches breaking in the wind (unlike the eucalyptus around here that are brittle & always breaking).  When the tree came down in the wind earlier, the only branches broken were from the tree falling on them. 

Oolie's advice sounds reasonable -- if you have the time before the storm, take all branches back to the trunk (to lessen wind resistance) and it will probably come through fine.


Heck, I'd b happy if we could even find seeds from some of these hybrids....

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB red fleshed Bouea
« on: May 22, 2019, 02:47:21 PM »
Details about these Indonesian ramania is very "sketchy" (incomplete).  Can you tell us more about their characteristics?  (flesh color, size, sweetness / flavor, amount of flesh, etc)  Can you supply seeds of any of these in season?  If so, when is the typical season? 


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB red fleshed Bouea
« on: May 21, 2019, 09:23:37 PM »
I have seen references to these types (not sure if they are actual cultivars or just local variants) in a few places, here is a link to one:

The article seems to imply that they are found in Kalimantan but it would seem reasonable to think that they might be found elsewhere on Borneo as well...

Lance, if your friend in Indonesia could give any info on these (even if he cannot get them), I would appreciate it.


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / WTB red fleshed Bouea
« on: May 21, 2019, 04:58:53 PM »
I have seen references on line to red fleshed sweet Bouea macrophylla from Indonesia known as "ramania pipit" and "ramania tembaga".
 However I have had no luck tracking these down nor have I talked to anyone who has encountered these red fleshed sweet maprang.  Does anyone have access to seeds of the sweet red fleshed ones?


Citrus General Discussion / Re: Oranges And Its Sugar Content
« on: May 15, 2019, 03:39:59 PM »
Whether justified or not, it seems like medical professionals & nutritionists have started a war on fruit. Several years back, I started to add a glass of OJ to breakfast every morning.  My doc at the time decided I was pre-diabetic & ordered me cut out OJ altogether.  She then went further & told me to cut out fruit as snacks, only to have fruit as part of meals.  My wife has mentioned that some dietary charts now have completely omitted fruit from the diagrams (now just "vegetables" as opposed to "fruits & vegetables" as it used to be).

Ages ago when in college, I had a prof who used to enjoy surfing in a wetsuit in the icy waters of northern New England for at least 3 of the 4 seasons.  He swore by bringing a bag of oranges with him & having one periodically to be able to keep going.  He claimed the sugar & electrolytes made a huge difference in his endurance.


Citrus General Discussion / Re: Budd blood orange
« on: May 13, 2019, 12:18:42 PM »
It would be great if you could post a review and some pics when it bears. 


Thanks for posting, Har & thanks for reposting that earlier thread.  I second Seanny's idea, it would be great if someone could video it & upload to Youtube for those of us who can't be there.


I got my nice fresh seeds today, nicely packed, and Josh was generous with extra seeds. 


I made a purchase a while back on ebay from a "beautyladyinfo".  I received foil packs of seeds that looked like those that Domnik got.  I am not absolutely certain that the company name on the packs was the same but I think so.  I got Baccaurea kunstleri and Melodorum fruticosum seeds that have not germinated yet & I have little hope for.  However, I also got some Kadsura sp. seeds where I have had 11 out of 15 germinate and I suspect that more may still germinate.  If I recall correctly, all seeds seemed somewhat dry when I got them but I soaked them in water until most of them sunk.  I can't say I am pleased with the results but the cost of the seeds was low so I am "ok" with this particular experience.  Probably best to steer clear of these sellers as Domnik suggests.  However cheap seeds is not a guarantee of bad seeds or a bad seller any more than expensive seeds guarantees a good experience.  At least you don't feel as bad getting crap seeds that are cheap as opposed to getting gouged on seeds that are still crap.

Since it seems like no one has reported getting their orders from this TSFO guy, it is probably now reasonable to assume that he was just a crook.


The suggestion to leave them in the husk to delay germination is probably best.  If you are bringing these in under a small lots of seed permit, most inspectors will destroy any seed that is sprouting (sprouted seeds are "plants", not seeds, require Phyto docs, & cannot come in under that permit).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what's nut tree
« on: April 18, 2019, 10:54:41 PM »
I don't think Macs are cauliflorous, and I don't believe they would do well in the humidity of Thailand.

But I am curious as to the nut identity, so here's a bump.
Macs do ok with humidity and rain, there are tons of them growing on Hawaii, including right in the Hilo area.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kadsura fruits
« on: April 16, 2019, 11:29:14 PM »

Which guy sold you bad seeds?

The seeds I had trouble with were Baccaurea and Melodorum seeds but the Kadsura seeds seem fine.  I bought them on ebay (I know that is asking for trouble but they were cheap & looked like what they claimed to be -- I don't mind as much getting bad seeds if they are cheap, I have spent a lot on seeds from some vendors on this group that were also junk).  The vendor was "beautyladyinfo".   

I looked at the seeds again today.  I misspoke, 2/3 of them have now germinated & were planted in pots.  I noticed the first sprout coming above ground today so it evidently takes about 1 1/2 months after germination for the sprout to appear above ground.  I don't recall how long I soaked the seeds initially but it was longer than the overnight soaks I often do.  It may have been 2-3 days.  They then went into damp (not wet) sphagnum in a warm area.

So, does this research group sell seeds?  I may have to check them out.  The poster looks interesting.  Any chance you could translate the captions for us?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kadsura fruits
« on: April 16, 2019, 03:01:32 PM »
I got seeds of a "Kadsura sp" from Thailand.  I was a little apprehensive since the seeds were in pretty foil packs with pictures on them, like they were being sold in stores.  I soaked the kadsuras in water until they sank (don't recall how long that took) and put them in a baggy with damp sphagnum.  The first of the seeds starting germinating within a couple of weeks.  They have been sporadically sprouting now for about 2 months, with almost all germinated now.  So, unless it is a temperate species in question, I don't think a chill is required.  It is interesting to note that I have not seen any above ground growth of those seeds I have planted.  Hopefully, they are growing roots first & have not just decided to die once they were put in soil.

By the way, I got zero germination (seeds rotting) on the other, recalcitrant seeds I got from this guy.


If it was a jelly-like seed, it was probably not katemfe unless it was not properly cleaned off and the jelly-like substance was remainder of fruit.  My recollection is that the seeds are quite large for a ginger type plant -- about the size of a navy bean -- and have a hard coat on them.

As far as keeping seeds for 2 years, they don't take up much space.  If they do not mold over or rot, I often just leave them to see if they will eventually sprout.  Sometimes they do.  If you have the book on fruits from the Congo by Roy Danforth & Paul Noren, they talked about one fruit that they were unable to germinate.  I have learned from Paul that they were wrong, it just took 8 years to germinate.

At this point, I don't recall what katemfe looks like when it sprouts, that might be it.  Be aware that these can take a VERY long time to germinate.  See thread:;nowap

Wholly cow, this list is a gold mine of mango cultivar descriptions:
Thanks for posting this Jeff, I had missed it on the site.  If I had seen this prior to placing my scion order, I might have ordered slightly differently.  Oh well, there's always next year ...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Does Star Apple Taste Any Good?
« on: April 09, 2019, 09:51:30 PM »

There are many species of chrysophyllum, and i believe they are all edible. The pink is the same as the Chrysophyllum argenteum var. auratum. The pink starapple tree made a lot of fruits this year, over 200. They are sweeter than regular starapple, have longer season, only one seed per fruit, but fruit is a bit smaller than regular starapple.
I mailed seeds to many people, including forum members, a couple weeks ago. Sorry but no more seeds for a couple of months. There is a new crop already on the tree, but fruits are still small.

How big do the auratums need to get to start to bear?

I don't know if it is just me but the link for your price list (at the top of this thread) just brings me back to a TFF menu page.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Does Star Apple Taste Any Good?
« on: April 08, 2019, 01:50:04 PM »
I recall Mike T from Aus posting about other color forms (gold, pink, pearl) that they have there that are supposed to be superior to the purples & green.  He & Oscar also talked about a cousin, C. argentium var. auratum, that is supposed to also be a cut above the common caimito.  I haven't tried the auratums yet but have trees in the ground from Oscar & Mike (still a few years to go).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Small lot seed permit protocol
« on: April 07, 2019, 02:15:05 PM »
Not trying to show you a lack of aloha here, but if you do a search in the above search box, enter "small lots seed" and search with google, you should find a ton of hits.  This topic has seen a LOT of previous discussion.


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