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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Synsepalum subcordatum (giant miracle fruit) (munga)
« on: July 01, 2013, 07:24:35 PM »
I'd be interested in any further info you get on this species.  Things I have heard so far are contradictory.  Roy Danforth, in Congo Native Fruits, says that it has the "miracle fruit" effect but Jim says his do not.  So is Roy mistaken or does Jim have some other Synsepalum (or does it vary in having this characteristic?, this seems unlikely).

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kangaroo apple and a couple other Australian native fruits
« on: June 24, 2013, 04:44:49 PM »
Mike, what is your opinion of the small leaf tamarind, Diploglottis cambellii?  Which Diploglottis are worthwhile?

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« on: June 21, 2013, 01:55:28 PM »
Beautiful fruit & tree.  I assume these are a little more tolerant of wet than mango (M indica)?

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Miracle fruit - no effect on coffee ?
« on: June 20, 2013, 01:08:17 PM »
One thing I have always heard is that you need to eat the miracle fruit first & then the sour food.  Is this accurate or would it still have the effect if you mix miracle fruit pulp or juice with the sour item?  I suspect it would be more effective in masking the flavor if you have it first but would it still work otherwise?

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Parmentiera edulis
« on: June 18, 2013, 05:49:06 PM »
I think that is the last nail in that coffin.  I was debating using it as a "neutral" juice extender (I hate the idea of "juices" that are only 20% juice) but if it won't really be happy here, that settles that.
John

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Don't think the P. edulis particularly likes our very rainy climate. It comes from Mexico where they have distinct dry seasons.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Parmentiera edulis
« on: June 18, 2013, 01:53:32 PM »
I'm trying to figure if it would have any real redeeming value for me.  Would these juice well?  One thing I had thought of was to use it as an extender for viscous juices like mango or to moderate something like lilikoi (passionfruit - a little of that goes a long way).

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Parmentiera edulis
« on: June 17, 2013, 06:59:05 PM »
Luc,

Are they worth eating as a fruit at the yellow stage or not so good & better to use young as a vegetable?  I thought about putting a few in & procrastinated, maybe a good thing?

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / balata / ausubo
« on: June 16, 2013, 01:50:19 PM »
I have seen this identified as Manilkara bidentata or Mimusops balata.  I had seen posts by our own Murahilin a few years back on another forum expressing doubt that the two species are the same.  Murahilin, at the time, also felt that the taste of the tree he had was not wonderful.  Would be interested in comments from him (& others) about this fruit.  I have seen reports of the fruit being very tasty but the flesh was limited.  Most reports also say the fruit is small (~1 -1 1/2") while another site listed it as 2".  Comments?

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cannonball Trees Put on a Show
« on: June 15, 2013, 01:13:45 PM »
The salak was on the trail down by the shoreline.  It was close to the ulu as I recall, maybe 200-300 feet before the variegated pandanus they used to have.  Not sure if I noticed it last time there, maybe they pulled it or moved it.  Lots of changes last time I was there (maybe a couple of months ago now).  I notice that they greatly expanded the anthurium collection.

John

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I didn't see the salak, but yes they don't like salt spray.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Clymenia polyandra
« on: June 14, 2013, 03:30:38 PM »
Just wondering if anyone is familiar / growing this citrus fruit.  It sounds like it would do well in Hawaii, being a true tropical.

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Extending Mamey season
« on: June 14, 2013, 03:26:58 PM »
I have not tasted select cultivars of mamey but green sapote compare well to the mamey sapote we used to have access to -- taste was pretty much the same and, being a two person household, it was a lot easier to use the smaller green sapote fruit than the big mameys.

John

Quote from: koryph on June 14, 2013, 02:54:02 PM
No that is a great suggestion I want to do that too. I like it because it is supposed to be more cold tolerant than mamey. Never have tasted it yet

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Extending Mamey season
« on: June 13, 2013, 10:52:52 PM »
It might be a stupid suggestion, but how about growing mamey and green sapote (Pouteria viridis).  I believe that the seasons are typically quite different in most areas and the flavor is similar.  I actually prefer the green sapote -- mamey has a lot of fruit to deal with whereas the green are easier to use in a small household.

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cannonball Trees Put on a Show
« on: June 13, 2013, 06:57:25 PM »
Oscar,

Good news about the fruit.  My neighbor works there & I surprised he didn't mention.  However, visitors should be aware that they do not allow collecting seeds or cuttings so don't plan on a visit here being a collecting trip. 

I recall the salak palm there is pretty pitiful looking -- seems to be growing very slow.  Is this just because it is so close to the water & salt spray bothering it?

John

Quote from: NewGen on June 13, 2013, 12:33:24 PM

Good news is that this garden is just now adding a fruit tree section. They contacted me to try to get some of the rarer stuff to plant. Better late than never?  :)
Right now the only large fruit trees they have are jackfruit, breadfruit, mango, malay apple, and coconuts. So yes...rather ho hum. But they plan to add a whole bunch of really exotic fruit trees.  ;D
All this said, if you're coming this way this garden is a must see. It's an incredibly beautiful place, tons of flowers, waterfall, and the garden is located right next to beautiful coastline. Their specialty are heliconias, gingers, orchids, and palms. The garden is very beautifully laid out. The admission price is high ($15) but totally worth it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cannonball Trees Put on a Show
« on: June 13, 2013, 01:56:42 PM »
Oscar, can you comment on edibility?  I had heard that the fruit was edible but the smell was not pleasant  (the same has been said of durian but I suspect the flavor of this is not in the same class as durian).

These trees are in the HTBG in Papaikou, just north of Hilo on the 4 mi scenic loop.  The trip is highly recommended although they are a lot lighter on fruit trees than I would like (mainly ornamentals).

John

Quote from: NewGen on June 13, 2013, 12:33:24 PM
The sign at the Fairchild tree says its not edible.

Oscar,
Is this tree in Honolulu? I went to a garden there in 2010, saw a huge cannon ball tree, as well as a ginormous baobab tree. Amazing place with lots of interesting things growing.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tethering branches to shape a tree
« on: June 12, 2013, 01:12:37 PM »
John, I am skeptical that you will get the tree to change its growth habit but it might work.  I had tried this in the past with an ornamental cherry that tended toward upright growth.  I tethered the branches to give it a more spreading shape.  It worked with those branches and I altered their shape.  However, the tree reverted to its upright growth and I just ended up with a broader base but branches still swept up as it grew.  You can't really change what is in the genes.

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop...in a new light?
« on: June 11, 2013, 09:25:18 PM »
Oscar, do you have the fiberless or other select cultivars of soursop?  I didn't notice them on your cultivar scion list.

I haven't eaten a lot of soursop but I have noticed huge variation in them here.  I have had some that were quite good but not as good as atemoya or cherimoya (although I don't doubt that there are some that are as good or better) and one that was horrible.  I guess that is the problem with seed grown fruit, you don't know what to expect quality-wise.  People who would probably never buy an "apple" without a varietal name (like a Delicious or Mutsu) will buy tropical fruit with no varietal name.  No wonder some tropical fruits have such widely varying reviews.

John

Quote from: fruitlovers on June 11, 2013, 06:55:16 PM


Jay, you should suspend further judgement till you get a chance to try fiberless soursop. Looks and tastes almost like a different species or sub species, with its bluish cast leaves. To me it was equal to or even better than some cherimoyas. Truly a delightful surprise. I've yet to find one though that is a good bearer. The Whitman fiberless makes very few fruits here.
Even regular olde soursop is quite excellent in juices or ice cream! Just not so great out of hand due mainly to all the fiber--NOT the taste. Some have quite good sweet/sour taste.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: barbel palm seeds for trade
« on: June 11, 2013, 05:55:04 PM »
Samuel,

Does this tree sprout new trees from the base so that when the palm heart is harvested, a new tree is generated (like peach palm)?  Or is the palm heart just harvested, killing the tree?

John

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Look for Eugenia aggregata seeds & Eugenia subterminalis seeds
« on: June 11, 2013, 01:36:52 PM »
Jim West has mulchi (E. subterminalis)
http://www.guaycuyacu.net/seed_sell.html

He was supposed to be stopping new customers a while back but not sure if he really did.

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Vangueria infausta African Medlars (and a few other african fruit seedlings)
« on: June 11, 2013, 01:31:44 PM »
Most references I have seen compare the flavor of Vangueria to apple -- I don't know if that is accurate or just an attempt to compare it to something most people have tried.  Anyone have any experience with Lagynias lasiantha?  This is a relative of Vangueria and supposedly tastes at least as good.

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Black sapote (Diospyros dignya) cultivars
« on: June 10, 2013, 03:50:50 PM »
Just wondering if anyone is aware of a seedless black sapote cultivar?  I have heard that seedless trees exist (in Morton, I think) but have heard of no seedless cultivars.  I got a couple of black sapotes at the Maku'u market in Puna.  Only one has ripened so far but it was absolutely seedless, had nice size fruit, and flavor was not bad (although I tend not to eat them "out of hand" but usually make mousse or smoothies with them).  Is it plausible that this was just a fluke seedless fruit (seems unlikely to me as there were no seeds or even "aborted" seeds)?  It would be worth looking this vendor up to try to get scions but I don't frequent that market and didn't really make note of where I got them.  The same woman had absolute garbage green star apples, the worst I have tasted by far.

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is the hardiest Salacca species that has edible fruit?
« on: June 08, 2013, 11:14:39 AM »
Recher, have you tried any of the Eleodoxa pickles?  I think I had read it is also used in cooking.  I had been considering ordering some seeds earlier but not sure how useful it would be.  I wasn't aware that this was previously a Salacca sp, makes sense, there certainly is a resemblance!

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Some pics in the yard
« on: June 05, 2013, 01:09:53 PM »
All your plants look great.  I had never heard of sculpit before so I had to look that one up.  It sounds like an interesting herb -- have you tried it before or is it something new you are trying?

John

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Puna Fruit Gang
« on: June 03, 2013, 11:46:58 PM »
Nice film.  I'm sure that's going to make a lot of mainlanders jealous, especially that shot with the fruit at the ocean front.  Looks like you are in a good part of Puna, you have some dirt there <grin>.  Where was the experiment station you visited?

John

Quote from: roboto212 on June 03, 2013, 11:30:16 PM
me and my friends have thrown some videos together, this last one is different shots taken at a few different farms, one Gaiayoga, one Chitta's, we snuck into the experimental station here a a few times :0, which is where the paradise nut shot comes from.

Im the one in the tye die alot of the time ;)... and cutting open the best cempedak ive had yet.



for your viewing pleasure, the fruit ;0

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Ultimate Annona list!
« on: June 03, 2013, 01:50:53 PM »
A bud sport is a spontaneous mutation of the plant where different tissue occurs at the point where the bud occurred.  You may also come across the term "chimera".  That would be the term to explain the plant that would now have two different types of tissue on the same plant.  In horticulture, a fair number of clones have arisen from bud sports.

John

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Can you explain the bud sport? These are mutations? How should the parentage be listed? Late Gold is added...
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Tropical Fruit Online Library / Re: Australian Rainforest Fruits
« on: June 01, 2013, 02:08:19 PM »
looks pretty interesting, Mike.  It always annoys me when books don't at least mention if the plants bear edible fruit (better yet, if they commented on palatability and amount of flesh present).

John

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