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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 0-0-51 Fertilizer??
« on: February 18, 2012, 06:30:07 PM »
Does anyone know if there is any reason not to use potassium more than twice per year on mature trees?

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@happyisland
Proper tip pruning can stimulate mango tree graduating into the fruiting stage of its life ... I will dig up the reference--->>>  http://www.aalfs.org/descargas/7.pdf  Please read the part " shortening the juvenile period of small trees"

3 years I emailed Richard Campbell at Fairchild about mangoes and he said mulch them and feed them 0-0-50 fertilizer. This is his general recommendation... But they like their mango trees small (condo mangoes) with lots of fruiting. I feed my small young mango trees a good NPK with minors each month except November-January. So I did not listen 100% to Richard Campbell. My three large mango trees ....I actually don't want them too large and crowding out the young ones so I will be feeding them mostly potassium


Great article! thanks for the link, zands. I'm going to wait out this flowering season, and if I don't have any blooms by the end of April I'm going to go crazy with the pruning. I now realize that I've let my trees get a bit out of control, in a misguided attempt to 'let them rest', which would theoretically allow them to flower.

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I have a Keitt and NDM4 that are not blooming at all and they should be... especially the NDM4. If your mango trees are growing so fast and so well then they have just have to  to blossom and fruit it is part of the biological order of reproduction. On your largest one or two why not only give them potassium.  Mulch them but feed them zero nitrogen.  Maybe you are doing this? Try a zero nitrogen diet on them. Maybe your soil is too good. Mangoes need stress to blossom. They can be stressed just by keeping them in a pot and will unnaturally precociously sprout panicales

Since you already have great vegetative growth (leaf and branch growth) then cut off the nitrogen which is the father of vegetative growth.

Thanks for the feedback - I'm definitely going to switch to an all-potassium diet for my biggest trees to see what happens.

I have some more questions about pruning, but I think I'll start a new thread so I don't completely hijack this one.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Inducing a growt flush
« on: February 15, 2012, 09:43:57 PM »
Potassium Nitrate but you need to live in a subtropical climate. Here is a link that talks about it in Spanish......did your Glenn survive?

Adelanto y retraso de la floración en mango


Good video. The sax soundtrack is crazy, and it takes a while to get going, but I'm now convinced to try the potassium nitrate approach if I don't get any blooms this season. thanks!

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I'm scratching my head too. What kind of soil are you working with? Do you have rock close to the surface. Internet say's some of Aruba has clay soil and some of Aruba has a thin topsoil on  top of rock.

I live near the water, but luckily I have a foot or two of topsoil and then fairly dense clay. Not sure what the pH is. The funny thing is that the trees grow fast and look very healthy, but just refuse to flower. A few months back I watched the Fairchild youtube videos and applied potash - still nothing.

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I've grown a few cavendish bananas in partial shade. The good news is that they survive, the bad news is that they grown incredibly slowly - to the point where it's hard to imagine that they'd ever fruit.

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Year three is the trick how old are these?

The oldest, was planted in March of 2009 = almost exactly 3 years ago. It's a very fast-growing VP, and it's been a head scratcher to me to see it without any blooms and then to see pics on the internet of people with tiny trees that are absolutely covered.


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Beautiful pics! I'm jealous - NONE of my trees has even a single panicle...

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More potassium should lead to more bloom and more fruiting for mangoes. Look around the internet. I bought some straight potassium fertilizer. I think it's potassium sulfate and I use it on some trees. You will find internet references to Dr Campbell at Fairchild feeding only potassium to his mango trees. This is probably OK once they reach a decent size but if you want them to grow larger they still need N and P

N ---nitrogen grows leaves and branches
P --- phosphorous grows the roots
K--- potassium grows the blooms and fruits

I have been feeding NPK fertilizer with minor elements and straight potassium to some of my trees

Thanks for the feedback. I actually did watch the Fairchild youtube videos about fertilization and immediately went out and bought potash, applied it, and ... nothing happened. Weird.

I'm going to try the foliar spray of potassium nitrate now and see if that does the trick.

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I would also be really interested in hearing from anyone who's had positive experiences forcing blooms/fruiting using the methods listed above or others. I have a bunch of trees here that are growing very well, but have had nary a blossom. My patience is wearing thin...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which New Zills Mango
« on: February 13, 2012, 08:41:59 PM »

What do you mean shipped to Miami?

I will see if there are any rules regarding shipping a tree from FL to Aruba. If all the rules are on your side of the transaction, I may be able to ship it to you as long as I get paid regardless if Aruba customs seizes it or not.

I mean shipped to my freight company in Miami in some kind of box, so it can be brought down by ship to Aruba. I run a retail business down here, so I have freight that comes down every week. And I have brought at least 10 different fruit trees down here using that same method, so I can happily report there are no holdups. Aruba has no local agriculture to speak of, so there's no phyto required - the only paperwork required is a commercial invoice for import duties.

If you're willing to ship to my freight forwarder in Miami in a box/container I would of course be happy to pay up front and assume all the risks of damage or seizure. Lemon Zest! My mouth is already watering in anticipation!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which New Zills Mango
« on: February 13, 2012, 06:13:28 PM »
This is a little OT,  but does anyone know a way to have a LZ mango in a container shipped to Miami? I NEED one for the last remaining open space in my little yard here in Aruba!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which New Zills Mango
« on: February 05, 2012, 01:09:58 PM »
I'm also interested in replacing a Florigon with root rot, and was considering a Lemon Zest. Anybody out there have one? The space I have for it isn't huge, so I'm wondering if I'll be able to keep it medium-sized through pruning.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Birthday Present Ideas for my Tropical Dad
« on: February 04, 2012, 07:38:36 AM »
Hey thanks for the great ideas, everybody. I'm now leaning toward jaboticaba or an exotic banana - does anyone have a good banana variety recommendation?

I'm gonna call Jene's in a bit, and get the ball rolling.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Birthday Present Ideas for my Tropical Dad
« on: February 03, 2012, 08:05:29 PM »
Hey everybody,

So my Dad, who recently bought a house in St. Petersburg, FL, (zone 10a?), is having a birthday later this month. Good news:

1) he loves fruits (when I was visiting last I helped him plant a pickering mango and a murcot tangerine). Now he's stoked and is talking about ripping out some scraggly oaks to make room for more mangoes, citrus, etc. He grew up in South Florida and had a few huge Haden trees that he loved.

2) he lives close enough to Jene's Tropicals (www.tropicalfruit.com) that I could order something from them for delivery.

So here's my question, what would y'all recommend that would be dwarf/semi dwarf and would either be a mango or something more exotic. Must be available from Jene's or someplace similar nearby, and must be tasty!

He already has two big avocados, a great old white grapefruit, a pickering mango, a murcott tangerine, and another orange tree.


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Noni grows wild here all along the coast. Nobody eats them! Only people with terminal diseases eat them to prolong their lives. I don't put noni on list of edible fruits, consider it a medicinal. It's like voting for soapberry as the worst tasting fruit.
BTW, i've read that the new shoots of noni plants are eaten as a vegetable in Borneo.
Ancient Hawaiians brought noni on their canoe journeys to Hawaii. They used it as a medicinal and as a dye. Interesting that they never used the fruit as a medicinal, as is touted nowadays, only other parts of the plant. I've read that the fruit was only eaten as a famine food. (They didn't like it either!)
Oscar

What is this 'soapberry' you speak of, and how can I get some to give to my Granadian friend? My revenge will not be sweet!  ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pugging
« on: February 02, 2012, 06:41:18 PM »
Wow, amazing pics! Are you able to get fruit with the constant pugging cycle?

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Noni, by a mile! At the behest of my friend's Granadian housekeeper I grew one from seeds, and she continued to play up the tastiness and nutrional aspect of the fruit as they grew and ripened. The day I first tried one was one of the most disappointing ever - like a wet mash of wood pulp. Gave the rest to the Granadian lady and ripped the tree out of the ground.

A close second would be the one time when I was a kid and my dad's friend tricked me into biting through the skin of a wild Florida persimmon.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: This really sucks!
« on: January 29, 2012, 11:24:39 AM »
Bummer!

That said, I'm really jealous that you have tropical fruit enthusiast in-laws! Mine are from Pennsylvania...

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Cool. Thanks! Since Aruba's lowest temps recorded in the past 10 years were in the low 70s I guess that makes us zone 14a?

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Anybody know of a zone map that covers the Caribbean? Extrapolating from the USDA map I think Aruba would be in the 13 range, since it never gets below 75F down here...

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Interesting that citrus makes so few appearances, even though they seem to be widely grown. Anyway, here's my boring list, since it repeats the pop hits of the thread so far:

Mango
Mangosteen
Peach (I haven't had a good one since I moved to the tropics... sigh)
Lychee
Tangerine



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Few pics of my TR Hovey papaya
« on: January 25, 2012, 03:11:36 PM »
wow - beautiful symmetrical fruit! My trees produce tasty orange-fleshed fruit, but few are perfectly round like yours are.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: January 25, 2012, 03:04:40 PM »
My wife and I moved to Aruba about 9 years ago, and since we bought a house 3 years back I have gone absolutely fruit-tree crazy with our small yard. I've lurked on the GW forums and have enjoyed many of the expert posts and discussions over there. You guys are bad influences though! Here's what I have planted so far in a small front, back, and side yard:

Mangoes:
Pho Pyu Kalay
Nam Doc Mai
Glenn
Alphonso
Edward
Valencia Pride
Florigon
Lancetilla (potted)
Carrie (potted)

Citrus:
Moro blood orange
Valencia orange
Temple orange (dying)

Non-fruiting:
A buttonwood tree, a huge ficus, a huge almond, and 4 or 5 lignum-vitae trees.

I can't wait to learn more from these forums, while hopefully resisting the urge to supplement my collection of mango trees. Thanks to the people who set this up!

-Dave

PS: forgot to add that I have 3 productive papayas, an elderly barbados cherry and a carambola planted in the side yard. They're so easy to grow I forget they're there!

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