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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Garcinia seedling
« on: April 02, 2018, 10:38:42 PM »
I will be in Fort Myers for the kids sporting event this weekend.
Check PM

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Garcinia seedling
« on: April 01, 2018, 05:34:26 PM »
Luc's (mexican), Lemon drop mangosteen (Intermedia??)
Or any other you can talk me into.

SO I plant and love mangos.  I am trying atemoya and recently got interested in Garcinia (stuff I read on the forum).
I should be getting some seeds soon curtsy a generous forum member.  I am interested in getting a seedling or two though and Luc's is talked about a lot, also lemon drop.

So does anyone, preferably in Florida have seedlings to sell or trade?

PM me.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« on: March 31, 2018, 08:32:47 PM »
Quote from: Seanny on March 30, 2018, 12:04:36 PM
Use custard Apple as inter stock .
Thanks for the suggestion, it shows as compatible on the table.  May try that next if my current experiment fails.

I will need to find budwood for custard apple.  Perhaps that is easier to come by.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« on: March 31, 2018, 08:21:02 PM »
I am beginning to thinks some cherimoya may be graft compatible with pond apple, at least better than atemoya.

I did a thorough inspection of the trees and in addition to the Licia it appears boothe and white also appear to be growing.  Inca red did not take.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« on: March 29, 2018, 11:30:00 PM »
Update:

So I tried several atemoya and a few cherimoya varieties on my pond apple.
Just about all the atemoya have now failed.  Some put out leafs but I guess it was the energy left in JFs superb scion.  The leaves dried up.

I also tried some cherimoya and atemoya I got from another forum member and for now it looks like the Licia may be a take.  I want to test this to see if this is the interstock I am looking for.  Of course, that is assuming other things will take on Licia.

So wish me luck, I am looking for Licia scion to graft on.


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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Looking for Licia scion
« on: March 29, 2018, 11:07:54 PM »
Need licia cherimoya budwood

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: RootMaker RootBuilder 2 / II Expandable Container for Side-Yard Avocado Project
« on: March 26, 2018, 10:12:05 PM »
Seanny, the pots don't have a base.  It's a flat long panel curved back onto itself to form a cylinder open on both ends, a bottomless pot.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Where to get best deal on 0-0-50
« on: March 19, 2018, 09:06:26 PM »
I am interested in getting some Sulfate of Potash (Potassium Sulfate) for my mangoes.

I understand I want granular form and will use often but in small quantities.

Any recommendations on where to purchase some to get the best value.

Also, what quantity to buy, Amazon has 5 lb bags, 2 for $26 delivered.  I have a dozen or so mango trees.  Should I get a 50 lb bag or is 10 lb all I need?  Does it keep?


By the way, liking the discussion on the slow release fertilizer thread.  Didn't want to hijack with this question.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: On a lighter note - describing my soil
« on: March 18, 2018, 11:12:02 AM »
Perhaps a little context, I have a canal or ditch to the back of my house, when the water level is low in the canal it drains my site.  When the water level is high, due to management or flooding from upstream coming through, it wets my land.  Right now, the water level in the canal is very low.  After Irma (actually worse in the storm right after) it was high, high enough to actually spill over and fish were swimming on parts of the yard.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / On a lighter note - describing my soil
« on: March 18, 2018, 11:04:07 AM »
So I was watering the other day, its been very dry, and whatever I put on the ground just disappears.
As I watched a thought crossed my mind.
My soil is really well drained except when it is flooded.
I couldn't help but laugh at how strange that came out, well drained and flooded.
The more I thought about it the less absurd it sounded.
A low lying well drained soil could be flooded.
So can I describe my soil as well drained except when flooded?
Which strange soil descriptions have you seen?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: hog plum - mombin question
« on: March 18, 2018, 10:58:10 AM »
Not much flower this year yet. 
Possibly post Irma stress or just not time but one a few are starting to show.
Last year there were very many but no fruits.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is my carrie mango a goner?
« on: March 17, 2018, 10:02:22 PM »
Many years ago I was in exactly the same situation and actually cut back the tree with the intent of uprooting and replacing.  Some things came up and I did not get to it for a couple of weeks.  When I was ready to pull the tree I saw it had sprouted.  I let it bee and it grew into a fine tree.  It was essentially an unintended pug, induced by severe cold.

I say give it some time.


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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Premium type Mexican Garcinia Scions and seeds..
« on: March 15, 2018, 09:50:07 PM »
I believe shipping is per order not per seed.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Papaya: does any one know what I have, please
« on: March 13, 2018, 08:27:22 PM »
Not trying to hijack this thread but what should one do if you have this situation where a tree has established root in the ground through a small pot?
Cut out the pot and build a mound to match the height of the dirt in the pot
Leave it be
Make holes on the side of the pot to let roots out and mound dirt to cover the holes but leave rest of pot in place?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« on: March 13, 2018, 07:44:01 PM »
I have some wet areas that are not very useful for anything but pond apple does well on.
I have tried a couple of cycles of direct grafting and have arrived at the same conclusion, it wont work with my type of pond apple.
The current graft looks like a successful take but start t die back.  This is why I am considering the interstock option to see if this can make the spots in my yard usable.

I like to try and half the fun is experimenting.  I also want some atemoya and the experiments are not exactly cheap :) so this go around I did a couple of grafts on some cherimoya seedlings I started last year.  Hope those stay.

Still interested in interstock if anyone has ideas and wood.

KarenRei, nice picture, tells my story though my wet areas are nothing close to whats in your picture.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: hog plum - mombin question
« on: March 10, 2018, 08:22:03 PM »
Maybe 8 to 9 feet to the tip of the tallest branch.  It is bare now and there are two branches that would be about that high.  If I pruned those back, then I will say about a 7 to 8 foot plant. Most of the other branches are in the 5 to 7 feet range off the ground.

I could take a picture during the day and post.

Why did you ask?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / hog plum - mombin question
« on: March 10, 2018, 07:33:27 PM »
Four or five years ago I got a June plum and Hog plum.  I wanted something that would fruit fast and was not too large.

The hog plum has flowered a couple of times and is tarting again now but has never borne fruit.  Its a nice size, not a single leaf (typical this time of year), and beginning to push those tine red flowers on the bare stem.  What can I do to make it set fruit this year?  If I cant is this a good enough fruit to keep trying or should I lop it off and recover the space?  Yeah, yeah, I know taste is subjective but I still want your opinion if you know this fruit.

The June plum has had three seasons of fruit already and I have tried the fruit.  It has a few fruits still on from last season.  Problem is I am beginning to eye its spot  :-[

Perhaps for an atemoya or mango seedling currently in a pot.  It will have to be a compact grower though, its not a huge spot.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Recommend Interstock for grafting Atemoya on to Pond Apple
« on: March 10, 2018, 03:51:29 PM »
I was reading an IFAS paper on Atemoya in Florida http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/mg332.  The authors point out noted
 "Atemoya is not graft compatible with pond apple and therefore the use of an interstock is required"

I am trying Atemoya on pond apple and for now it looks like I have a couple of takes but I know they can still fail.
My question is, do any of you know what interstock works?
The authors used "49-11" which they described as " a 'Gefner' atemoya x A. reticulata hybrid"
Does anyone have scions of this hybrid?  or any tested interstock?

I intend to continue trying different atemoya on pond apple but I am open to try using this two step approach to get there.

I know there is a chart on the forum of graft compatibility and will be searching for it all afternoon :)

By the way, all is not lost.  After last years limited success, I started some cherimoya for root stock and some of my graft this year on 1 year old seedlings of cherimoya.

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Found the table
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16673.0





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Time to water?
« on: March 09, 2018, 09:08:18 PM »
Quote from: pineislander on March 09, 2018, 08:12:57 AM
I've recently been removing stumps of large trees on my property with an excavator which has been informative regarding tree root growth on the site. Though I didn't dig up any mango trees I will take a picture later today of the exposed root system of a large mango tree on a neighbor's property which was overturned by hurricane Irma. I'm also digging an irrigation pipe trench across the property and observe some variation at least in the top 18".

My soil type is the most common in Florida, Myakka. The soil is gray sand topsoil which lightens to white sand about 18" down, then becomes very dark brown in a highly compact layer.
As seen in the video Cookie Monster referenced, mine is very close to what is shown here:



The change in soil color matches the summertime high water table, and also matches the maximum depth of root development I've seen in the stumps removed and in the overturned mango tree. This zone of compacted soil representing the high water table also represents the zone of oxygen deprivation below which few roots can exist regardless of what you do. I can track water table by nearby ponds which vary according to the water level.

This reference "Tree roots: Facts and Myths" shows a lot about how tree roots grow.
http://arnoldia.arboretum.harvard.edu/pdf/articles/1989-49-4-tree-roots-facts-and-fallacies.pdf

I find it amazing how wide tree roots can go, how they graft together, how one root can feed one segment of canopy, how the microfauna infinitely extend the root zone, and all the other factors we don't even know about.

I know there are many other soil profiles around and yours may be quite different. Some have soil similar to mine. If you find a nearby excavation, find a tree root system exposed or even use a post hole digger you can get an idea of what you have. So, when to water really depends on your soil and the more you can learn & observe locally the better you will know what to do about it.


This reference "Tree roots: Facts and Myths" shows a lot about how tree roots grow.

I read the attached report, fascinating, who'd have thunk it.
I knew that many roots hand close to the surface but also believed that many go deeper forming something close to the illustration.  Is there additional research that support this paper?  Please link.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Time to water?
« on: March 06, 2018, 04:52:21 PM »
This is all great discussion guys.
My takeaway so far.
I will likely irrigate (depending on the rainfall or lack thereof.)
I will be stingier with my mature trees but more regular with my younger trees.
I will check out earth worm activity to help with the decision on when to irrigate

Please keep the opinions coming.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Time to water?
« on: March 04, 2018, 02:51:14 PM »
A couple of months ago I was worried the dry season was too wet and things may go sideways with my mangos.
Well, the last months in particular has been dry in my area and though others a mile or so away got two good showers I got no rain.
Grass is beginning to go brown and while my trees are not showing any stress signes, they have flowers and I'd hate to loose them due to water stress.
My question is, is anyone in south Florida experiencing this and are you irrigating?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / How much of the old tree should I keep If I want to change the canopy
« on: February 25, 2018, 11:06:43 AM »
I have a pond apple that I grafted a few different atemoya on.  They appear to be taking.
My question is this, should I remove all the non grafted growth to force the energy into my grafts or should I leave things be on branches I did not graft to?
In the long run, I don't intent to keep any of the original tree, just the newly grafted on branches. 
So, do I trim off everything else other than my grafts, or just focus on removing new growth from the branches I grafted on.

The tree is pushing vegetative growth right now.  A lot of fresh new growth everywhere.

In the future, am I better served by cutting the plant back below the first branch and grafting on the new growth?






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: I confess I am a grating addict - need 12 step program
« on: February 25, 2018, 10:40:13 AM »
By the way, I am looking forward to grafting during more normal grafting period this year.  I have a Lancentilla I cut back last year that has given me several sites to graft on to, I decided to top work and change the variety because other than its fruit size I was not liking the Lancentilla much.

Now the winter Olympics are over, the the games begin!!!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: I confess I am a grating addict - need 12 step program
« on: February 25, 2018, 10:37:16 AM »
So closing the loop.
The late grafts I made last year thought me something.
The ones that took took immediately and have done well.  One or two flushes, the initial push plus one more, I count as two flushes.  This gives me a jump start this spring.

Interestingly several stayed green through the dormant period, even two really cold spells in Florida.  As things have started to warm up and trees push flush or flower, I have observed a very interesting development.  Those green budwood are going brown (from the bottom up).
I took all of them off today and a couple were still green and juicy at the top but were clearly dying after 3 plus months of staying green.
One I shouldn't have removed, it looked brown but that was the wrapping, the wood under was green and a bud was swollen and likely would have pushed but the others were clearly dead or dying.

Can someone explain this?



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Trouble Growing Lemons Indoors
« on: February 24, 2018, 09:43:42 AM »
Had a friend who had issues like this with a tree in a screened in porch.  I suspect over watering was an issue in his case and no pollinators so nothing came of the flowers when the plant did flower.

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