Olá Sérgio

Don't have the answer to your question but decided to log in just to say Hi and congratulate you on another big achievement.
Never heard of a Jenipapo flowering or fruiting in Europe...congratulations!

I do remember that once I also received seeds of this from Helton but don't remember what I've done with the trees... probably all dead now... was this one of the trees I gave you back in 2006?... I really don't remember what I've done with those trees.

I have here the Artocarpus I promised you earlier but unfortunately I did not went to Algarve this summer... I will find another way to send you one and another for JL.
 
Take care and have a nice day
Miguel

 

Well done Mr. Don!

13 months from seeds to flowering should be the new world record for my calycinas... congratulations!

Hello again,

I decided to dig a little further on this subject and found another Brazilian work report, from a different author, also suggesting that Involucrata and calycina are the same species.

Here is one link to this work report that you can find online:

https://www.google.pt/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjnsKGo-ObOAhXIQBQKHVu7BBkQFgglMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Frepositorio.unb.br%2Fbitstream%2F10482%2F6568%2F1%2F2010_JairEustaquioQuintinodeFariaJunior.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFdDZbz1-L0Xt03gCtUR7n0l8gY3Q&sig2=mUxZgP0b6ihTMv0nGgXHWg&bvm=bv.131286987,d.d24

at page 97 this author wrote:
quote
"Existem dois nomes possíveis para essa especie; E.calycina Cambess seria a forma subarbustiva e arbustiva que ocorre nas formações savanicas do Cerrado, e E.involucrata seria a forma arbórea que ocorre nas formações florestais.
Entretanto, apesar do porte e algumas diferenças, principalmente na folha, não foi possivel separar morfologicamente as duas éspecies.
Acredito que devem se tratar da mesma entidade, mas com adaptações ao ambiente de ocorrência.
No entanto são necessários estudos mais detalhados para que se possa chegar a uma conclusão definitiva."
unquote.

for those "non Portuguese" readers/speakers here is one English translation for these words:

"There are two possible names for this species; E.calycina Cambess would be the sub-shrub and shrub form that occurs in the Cerrado savanna formations, and E.involucrata would be the arboreal form that occurs in forest formations.
However, despite the size and some differences, mainly on the leaves, it was not possible to morphologically separate the two species.
I believe that these should be the same entity, but with adaptations to the environment in which they occur.
However we need more detailed studies so that we can reach a final conclusion."

Moreover, the "excicata" photo presented on page 98, described as one "Eugenia involucrata" branch, collected from one 1,6 meter high bush, on the state of Goiás, for sure corresponds to one of the forms known as E. calycina.

Not only the state of Goiás is almost 100% Cerrado area, but also the "1,6 meter high bush" are good clues pointing to E. calycina.

Hi,

Thanks for the help in the correct ID, many people have told me to be Eugenia myrtoides, but my tree is wild, my farm is in the region of origin of Psidium Eugeniaefolia and not of E. Myrtoides that occurred in southern Brazil.

Quote from: fruitlovers on August 22, 2016, 06:31:57 PM

I have fruiting Araca una also. Psidium eugeniaefolia  is correct.

Hi guys
This is another species with some controversial ID.
On the new Lorenzi book "Frutas no Brasil" this species Araçá-una came by the name Psidium myrtoides, and nowhere is referred the name P. eugeniaefolia, not even as a possible synonymy.
I have grown here the species that Helton calls Psidium myrtoides and is a completely different species from his Araçá-una (different leaves, different fruits, different habit, only same terrible sourness on fruits)... according to Helton the Araçá-una is Psidium eugeniaefolia... so who's right?

What I've realized from my personal experience is that there are big differences in fruit quality among cultivars... some fruits are awfully sour and astringent... I personally eliminated some adult trees because of this terrible taste... but now I have one tree growing that gives me some really tasty fruits... YEAH!!!!

Hummmm.... So Guapijuim (http://www.colecionandofrutas.org/eugeniacereja.htm) must be "in the same boat". Also, an involucrata var.
By the way... Miguel, your seeds still don´t germinated here! I´m sure they are all alive, but no roots until now. 

And I think I´ll have news for you soon.

Hi Cassio
I tough exactly the same about E.cereja when I first read that study... i believe now that it should be one of this group too... strangely it is not mentioned on this study so we have to keep doubting about it.

Don't you give up on those seeds yet... I have really good looking plants now from seeds that spent one year in storage breaking all rules regarding seed viability on myrtaceas. See this:
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=18688.msg233147#msg233147

At the same time I've been trowing away many seeds that sprout inside my storage plastic bags even without any medium whatsoever, and I've been informed that most of these calycina seeds I posted worldwide with some moist vermiculite arrive destination with roots formed... why don't you try to sprout some seeds like this (in a plastic bag with moist medium)?

Waiting for the good news.
thanks in advance.

Luc & Don
Thank you both for the positive push.
All the best for you and your trees!

Hi Jack

looks like a Mirtacea for sure.

if that is one Psidium species my guess is Psidium oligospermum that sometimes is called "araçá branco - white araçá" in Brasil.

see this please:
http://www.colecionandofrutas.org/psidiumoligospermum.htm
What do you think?

I think I've just ID this one...it is the sweet Uvaia..YEAHHH!!!
 


Thanks to all

This is awesome,☺ some one on facebook had pictures similar to this they called grape guava or araca de cacho. When I looked it up it referred to psidium guineese, but its nothing like the normal guineese I grow. I ve been wondering what it was ever since. Now I know cheers.

Hi Troy

Yes, you're right!... I also received these seeds labelled as "Araçá de Cacho"... and Helton puts this one togheter with the P.guineense (or guianense as I think he call it now)...
But if you grow both plants side by side there's no doubt they are very diferent plants... you can only confound these plants while still very young... when adult there's no need of tags to recognise which is the guineense and which is the "Araçá de cacho"
I always though they should be diferent species and now I saw that this one match the P. firmum info on the new Lorenzi book.

I also have some young seedlings from another Araçá that I received labelled as "Psidium racemosus" that I think can be same as this one... but have to wait to see...

Luis,
Even if it set no fruits, from the shape and aspect of the flowers I would say that the "yellow cambui" from Braga is definitly one Eugenia sp. and not an Myrciaria sp.... further conclusions can only be taken after fruit set...

The species that I'm discussing here with Richard is definitly a diferent species... commom ground with my plant and Richard's plant seem to be Helton seeds origin... but too until one of ours set fruits we have to carry on guessing what we have.

Miguel,

Looks like a nice fruit to grow.  How old are your plants?

Tomas

Hi Tomas,
According to my records I've received the E. klotzschiana seeds back in Decembre 2007, and the E. arenosa seeds by November 2009...
Some how I lost tags since then and have then mixed up now... have 3 plants in pots and one in the ground and now I need to wait for fruits to properly ID each one... I think I kept 2 plants of each species... anyway all plants have been flowering since 2013... both species grow slow but, fortunatly, no signs of "Cerrado Curse" for me ...  this E. arenosa set some fruits last year but fruits did not arrived to maturity...

Here are some better photos of the leaves. They are 2.75 to 3.25 cm wide and 6 to 6.5 cm long.





They look to me like the images on Helton's and the e-Jardim websites but not like the photos on the unicentro.br site.  I have not seen Lorenzi's book, so I cannot comment on that. Any idea what I have?

Richard
I went to read what Lorenzi wrote about this species on the new book "Frutas no Brasil" and there he says this species has many varieties having yellow, orange, purple and even black fruits... I imagine that if the fruit colors vary so much, maybe that can happen too on leaf shape... so there's hope we both have one variety of this species after all even if the leaves don't match Lorenzi's photos!
Lorenzi says it should fruit fast... let's hope he is correct!