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Title: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
Post by: starch on April 20, 2016, 08:29:26 PM
Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?

I have been looking into grafting lychees and Oscar pointed out (back in a post in 2012 I think) that the chance for a good take increases if a lychee is grafted onto a seedling from the same cultivar. And because I am very interested in grafting a No Mai Tsze lychee, I am looking for No Mai Tsze seeds.

So my question (and request) to anyone growing No Mai Tsze lychees: Could you save the seeds? I would love to try sprouting the seeds and grafting onto the seedlings.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
Post by: simon_grow on April 21, 2016, 10:21:18 AM
I'm growing it but it's extremely small and it will probably be another 10 years or so before I get fruit from it. It's only about 18 inches tall right now.

Simon
Title: Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
Post by: starch on April 21, 2016, 10:33:55 AM
Gotcha, I understand.

Simon, have you been able to find No Mai Tsze lychee fruit over here at all? Or is this something you can only realistically get in China?
Title: Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
Post by: BestDay on April 21, 2016, 11:52:20 AM
Exotica grows it and will let you taste the fruit when it is in season.  The workers there say it is the best tasting lychee they grow but it fruits inconsistently.

Bill
Title: Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
Post by: behlgarden on April 15, 2019, 11:12:47 AM
Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?

I have been looking into grafting lychees and Oscar pointed out (back in a post in 2012 I think) that the chance for a good take increases if a lychee is grafted onto a seedling from the same cultivar. And because I am very interested in grafting a No Mai Tsze lychee, I am looking for No Mai Tsze seeds.

So my question (and request) to anyone growing No Mai Tsze lychees: Could you save the seeds? I would love to try sprouting the seeds and grafting onto the seedlings.

Thanks!

Old Post but wanted to inform that No Mai Tze is very compatible grafting onto longan and hakip rootstocks. I got takes in 3 spots 5 grafts It failed on Brewster. Grows aggressive on longan. It even bloomed in first season.
Title: Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
Post by: starch on April 15, 2019, 11:24:27 AM
Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?

I have been looking into grafting lychees and Oscar pointed out (back in a post in 2012 I think) that the chance for a good take increases if a lychee is grafted onto a seedling from the same cultivar. And because I am very interested in grafting a No Mai Tsze lychee, I am looking for No Mai Tsze seeds.

So my question (and request) to anyone growing No Mai Tsze lychees: Could you save the seeds? I would love to try sprouting the seeds and grafting onto the seedlings.

Thanks!

Old Post but wanted to inform that No Mai Tze is very compatible grafting onto longan and hakip rootstocks. I got takes in 3 spots 5 grafts It failed on Brewster. Grows aggressive on longan. It even bloomed in first season.

That is great information, thanks for sharing!
I have a Diamond River longan that I think is going to get topworked then ... :)
Title: Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
Post by: alexgardens on April 16, 2019, 01:48:17 PM
I once got the chance to try this variety in Florida in 2016. Believe they were grown in Bokeelia, don't have info on the farm. They were the best lychees I've ever tried!
Title: Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
Post by: behlgarden on June 17, 2019, 12:09:29 PM
So Cal Update:

my graft of No Mai Tze is growing very well, it appears to be aggressive grower, and it holds fruits very well. Although my grafts are young, I am very happy to report that this variety may be better suited for So Cal. I have it on both longan and hakip rootstocks.
Title: Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
Post by: spaugh on June 17, 2019, 12:20:21 PM
So Cal Update:

my graft of No Mai Tze is growing very well, it appears to be aggressive grower, and it holds fruits very well. Although my grafts are young, I am very happy to report that this variety may be better suited for So Cal. I have it on both longan and hakip rootstocks.

Nice Behl. 
Title: Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
Post by: starch on June 17, 2019, 01:45:25 PM
So Cal Update:

my graft of No Mai Tze is growing very well, it appears to be aggressive grower, and it holds fruits very well. Although my grafts are young, I am very happy to report that this variety may be better suited for So Cal. I have it on both longan and hakip rootstocks.

Awesome Behl, thanks for the update!
Title: Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
Post by: simon_grow on June 17, 2019, 01:49:47 PM
So Cal Update:

my graft of No Mai Tze is growing very well, it appears to be aggressive grower, and it holds fruits very well. Although my grafts are young, I am very happy to report that this variety may be better suited for So Cal. I have it on both longan and hakip rootstocks.

No Mai Tsze is a slow grower, even in China. The mature trees are only 1/3 to 2/3 the size of other varieties. My NMT air layer is growing agonizingly slow. Behl, you might be onto something grafting it onto Longan if you are getting vigorous growth. Please post a picture of the fruit once it matures. The fruit has a distinct look to it. Itís kind of pebbly skinned.

Simon
Title: Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
Post by: behlgarden on June 17, 2019, 02:03:03 PM
So Cal Update:

my graft of No Mai Tze is growing very well, it appears to be aggressive grower, and it holds fruits very well. Although my grafts are young, I am very happy to report that this variety may be better suited for So Cal. I have it on both longan and hakip rootstocks.

No Mai Tsze is a slow grower, even in China. The mature trees are only 1/3 to 2/3 the size of other varieties. My NMT air layer is growing agonizingly slow. Behl, you might be onto something grafting it onto Longan if you are getting vigorous growth. Please post a picture of the fruit once it matures. The fruit has a distinct look to it. Itís kind of pebbly skinned.

Simon

will do Simon. grafts on Halkip lychee rootstock are slower in growth, while on longan are matching pace with sweet heart. it will b interesting to see how they perform going forward. Source of these wood was hawaii USDA so chances of it being real are quite high.
Title: Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
Post by: starch on June 17, 2019, 04:08:20 PM
So Cal Update:

my graft of No Mai Tze is growing very well, it appears to be aggressive grower, and it holds fruits very well. Although my grafts are young, I am very happy to report that this variety may be better suited for So Cal. I have it on both longan and hakip rootstocks.

No Mai Tsze is a slow grower, even in China. The mature trees are only 1/3 to 2/3 the size of other varieties. My NMT air layer is growing agonizingly slow. Behl, you might be onto something grafting it onto Longan if you are getting vigorous growth. Please post a picture of the fruit once it matures. The fruit has a distinct look to it. Itís kind of pebbly skinned.

Simon

will do Simon. grafts on Halkip lychee rootstock are slower in growth, while on longan are matching pace with sweet heart. it will b interesting to see how they perform going forward. Source of these wood was hawaii USDA so chances of it being real are quite high.

Behl, which accession id for the No Mai Tsze did you get from Hawaii? Looks like they have several (HLIT # 19, 20, 23, 59 and 85)
Title: Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
Post by: behlgarden on June 17, 2019, 04:21:14 PM
I got the ones that were donated from China, I got two of them. They also had No Mai Tze # 2 and I got that as well
Title: Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
Post by: Jose Spain on June 18, 2019, 02:52:11 AM
So Cal Update:

my graft of No Mai Tze is growing very well, it appears to be aggressive grower, and it holds fruits very well. Although my grafts are young, I am very happy to report that this variety may be better suited for So Cal. I have it on both longan and hakip rootstocks.

Behl, can you explain please how did you graft it? I just planted few weeks ago a longan side by side with my Salathiel because this one is having really bad chlorosis whereas Kaimana has just a little and FZS not at all. Your experience with NMT give me hopes that using longan as rootstock will fix the chlorosis problem in my Salathiel and also make it grow faster. Thanks.
Title: Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
Post by: behlgarden on June 18, 2019, 10:54:58 AM
its a simple graft like every other graft you do. I have done veneer, cleft, on both green and mature wood, although hardened green wood has gotten better results. Also timing is perfect for grafting even now.

Somehow I have cocktail lychee on longan and lychee Rootstock, it may be tough nut to crack but somehow I got good success. I have
No Mai tze
Sweetheart
Peerless
Kwa Luk
Mai pink

All on hakip tree

Below are NMZ and sweetheart. The biggest is sweetheart. Notice these are holding fruits

(https://i.postimg.cc/kDQn73bF/20190618-064949.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kDQn73bF)

(https://i.postimg.cc/cv41D967/20190618-064956.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cv41D967)

(https://i.postimg.cc/CnsY7kg6/20190618-064959.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CnsY7kg6)

(https://i.postimg.cc/hQBcVMHd/20190618-065007.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hQBcVMHd)
Title: Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
Post by: boxturtle on June 18, 2019, 12:15:12 PM
its a simple graft like every other graft you do. I have done veneer, cleft, on both green and mature wood, although hardened green wood has gotten better results. Also timing is perfect for grafting even now.

Somehow I have cocktail lychee on longan and lychee Rootstock, it may be tough nut to crack but somehow I got good success. I have
No Mai tze
Sweetheart
Peerless
Kwa Luk
Mai pink

All on hakip tree

Below are NMZ and sweetheart. The biggest is sweetheart. Notice these are holding fruits

Damn Behl that's good stuff did you graft it on new growth? also which varity was longan?   
Title: Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
Post by: behlgarden on June 18, 2019, 12:18:54 PM
"Damn Behl that's good stuff did you graft it on new growth? also which varity was longan?"

its a sucker of known longan variety which was removed by previous owner, I have been trying to kill this sucker for 3 years, until last year I decided to graft onto this fighting seedling. it worked.
Title: Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
Post by: Jose Spain on June 19, 2019, 02:30:48 AM
its a simple graft like every other graft you do. I have done veneer, cleft, on both green and mature wood, although hardened green wood has gotten better results. Also timing is perfect for grafting even now.

Somehow I have cocktail lychee on longan and lychee Rootstock, it may be tough nut to crack but somehow I got good success. I have
No Mai tze
Sweetheart
Peerless
Kwa Luk
Mai pink

All on hakip tree

Below are NMZ and sweetheart. The biggest is sweetheart. Notice these are holding fruits

(https://i.postimg.cc/kDQn73bF/20190618-064949.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kDQn73bF)

(https://i.postimg.cc/cv41D967/20190618-064956.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cv41D967)

(https://i.postimg.cc/CnsY7kg6/20190618-064959.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CnsY7kg6)

(https://i.postimg.cc/hQBcVMHd/20190618-065007.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hQBcVMHd)

Thanks for the answer and the pics Behl, I also have a Kway May Pink so I will use both as rootstock and see if I can get my Salathiel to take on them and save it, chlorosis hit it really badly this spring, I added son sulfur and quelates of Fe, but the problem although in a lesser level, persists. Last year it was a happy tree that even produces its first fruits (delicious) but my water is way too alkaline for it. Salathiel seems to have inherited its sensitivity at high pH from No Mai Tsze (if I remember right is a seedingl from this variety), let's see if it also inherited the good affinity with longan as rootstock.

Thanks again for the useful info  ;)
Title: Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
Post by: BestDay on June 20, 2019, 12:02:55 PM
Behl, congratulations.  That is quite an achievement getting that many rare Lychee varieties to grow on one tree.  It is nice to hear that someone in SoCal is growing Kwa Luk.  I had two very small airlayers of Kwa Luk that died.

Bill