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Title: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: johnb51 on February 26, 2018, 07:06:08 PM
I watched all three videos on Truly Tropical's YouTube Channel in which Har Mahdeem and Marlys Zill discuss the new Zill varieties, and their favorites seem to be Peach Cobbler, Juicy Peach, Fruit Punch, Cotton Candy, and Orange Essence although they had good things to say about the others.  By the way, do we have any idea if Zill will release Orange Sherbert, which is a favorite of Richard Campbell?
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: mangomongo on February 26, 2018, 07:23:28 PM
Careful the forum might have a melt down lol
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: wslau on February 26, 2018, 07:48:38 PM
I watched all three videos on Truly Tropical's YouTube Channel in which Har Mahdeem and Marlys Zill discuss the new Zill varieties, and their favorites seem to be Peach Cobbler, Juicy Peach, Fruit Punch, Cotton Candy, and Orange Essence although they had good things to say about the others.  By the way, do we have any idea if Zill will release Orange Sherbert, which is a favorite of Richard Campbell?

Orange sherbet and O-15 are next to be released.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: mangomongo on February 26, 2018, 08:08:39 PM
which one is O-15 ? Butter cream?
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: wslau on February 26, 2018, 08:20:06 PM
which one is O-15 ? Butter cream?

No, Buttercream was already released last year.
O-15 has not been named ...I recall reading a post from squam256 that it was a Jakarta seedling.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: mangokothiyan on February 26, 2018, 09:08:04 PM


I have not tasted Orange Essence, but my favorite among the others that Har and Marlys spoke about is Cotton Candy. That is an amazing mango. I also wonder why more people are not talking about Seacrest and Ugly Betty.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: Cookie Monster on February 26, 2018, 09:22:20 PM
Who said that OS is being released?
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: johnb51 on February 26, 2018, 10:21:20 PM
Who said that OS is being released?
Warren knows something you don't know, Jeff!
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: johnb51 on February 26, 2018, 10:22:28 PM


I have not tasted Orange Essence, but my favorite among the others that Har and Marlys spoke about is Cotton Candy. That is an amazing mango. I also wonder why more people are not talking about Seacrest and Ugly Betty.
What's the flavor like besides super-sweet?
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: mangomongo on February 26, 2018, 10:23:35 PM
which one is O-15 ? Butter cream?


No, Buttercream was already released last year.
O-15 has not been named ...I recall reading a post from squam256 that it was a Jakarta seedling.

I guess I missed buttercreams release, so many new ones to keep track of.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: wslau on February 26, 2018, 10:32:06 PM
Buttercream and Guava mango were released last year (October 2017)

Taralay was just released recently (February 2018)
Nice Taralay trees, but on the small side.
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Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: Barnacle1982 on February 26, 2018, 10:42:06 PM
When is it going to be released?
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: mangokothiyan on February 26, 2018, 10:51:46 PM


I have not tasted Orange Essence, but my favorite among the others that Har and Marlys spoke about is Cotton Candy. That is an amazing mango. I also wonder why more people are not talking about Seacrest and Ugly Betty.
What's the flavor like besides super-sweet?

I am rather bad at describing flavor, but they both are much more than just super sweet.  The Ugly Betty, especially, reminds me of the Malgoa from my childhood back in India. Have tasted many varieties but Malgoa remains one of the best,  if not the best, mango I have eaten.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: skhan on February 26, 2018, 11:51:01 PM
Jeez, your getting them before I even know they are released.
We might have to start getting scions from Cali now.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: Mikey on February 27, 2018, 12:11:20 AM
I thought the golden Buddha was the next big thing.  It was suppose to be release in limited quantity from Combodia.  It was found in the lost city of ďare you kidding meĒ and ďwhere are they coming up with these names.Ē   :P just kidding everyone.  Not to offend anyone.  Do these mango really taste like their name imply like cotton candy?  I need to plant more mango and try more mango to understand what every one is talking about.  California is on its way to growing mango so soon i will know what everyone is describing. 
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: wslau on February 27, 2018, 12:42:00 AM
When is it going to be released?

Orange Sherbert (G-32) and O-15 may be released as early as mid-summer.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: Capt Ram on February 27, 2018, 03:37:18 AM
My question is what kind of disease resistance and production do these trees have..it would be a bummer to buy into any of these and years later only get a few mangos a year
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: Ulfr on February 27, 2018, 04:10:40 AM
You guys have been able to get orange sherbet (and others yet to be released) fruit there right? Anyone tried to grow the seeds considering they are poly?

I have an orange sherbet seedling here thanks to a kind soul who brought some in and shared (and maybe someone there who sent them I guess). Might/might not be the clone?
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: Cythompson159@yahoo.com on February 27, 2018, 05:31:41 AM
I'll have to find the article to post on the OS and Lemon Zest, it said they were very Similar tasting fruit. The lemon zest was changed to OS but changed back quickly to LZ. It said the small gene change found the trees to be very light producers, so it was scratched since the flavor was not noticeably different. If lemon zest is a proven tree why wait or take the risk. Get the lemon zest now.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: Aaron on February 27, 2018, 09:12:21 AM
as far as i know buttercream hasnt been released havent heard of taralay.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: gozp on February 27, 2018, 10:42:50 AM
as far as i know buttercream hasnt been released havent heard of taralay.

Buttercream i have since last year. Taralay just got released too.

One of my sources that has access to zill said that by summer OS & 0-15 will get released. warren is correct.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: Aaron on February 27, 2018, 11:25:11 AM
as far as i know buttercream hasnt been released havent heard of taralay.

Buttercream i have since last year. Taralay just got released too.

One of my sources that has access to zill said that by summer OS & 0-15 will get released. warren is correct.

I buy plants from Zills. Either they are doing small special releases to certain customers or your sources are wrong. I was there last month and asked about buttercream they didnt have anything maybe they got new stuff for Feb. but I havent checked.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: mangokothiyan on February 27, 2018, 11:50:56 AM
as far as i know buttercream hasnt been released havent heard of taralay.

Buttercream i have since last year. Taralay just got released too.

One of my sources that has access to zill said that by summer OS & 0-15 will get released. warren is correct.

They may have run out of Buttercream, but it was released last year. Some time in October or November, if I remember correctly. The guava mango is another new release.

 
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: Aaron on February 27, 2018, 12:02:19 PM

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If your right they did not publicize it. 
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: mangokothiyan on February 27, 2018, 12:18:38 PM


They do not update the list every month.  Two of my friends have buttercream in their yard.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: gozp on February 27, 2018, 02:48:21 PM
as far as i know buttercream hasnt been released havent heard of taralay.

Buttercream i have since last year. Taralay just got released too.

One of my sources that has access to zill said that by summer OS & 0-15 will get released. warren is correct.

I buy plants from Zills. Either they are doing small special releases to certain customers or your sources are wrong. I was there last month and asked about buttercream they didnt have anything maybe they got new stuff for Feb. but I havent checked.


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Also have guava variety looks like sh*t
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: Aaron on February 27, 2018, 03:48:48 PM
seacrest has been released to the public, still dont think the others have been.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: skhan on February 28, 2018, 02:47:55 PM
seacrest has been released to the public, still dont think the others have been.
I was there today, they have quite a few Taralay left.
Not much else of the new stuff though.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: FRUITBOXHERO on February 28, 2018, 03:46:03 PM
Taralay is a awesome mango..... totally underrated
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: skhan on February 28, 2018, 05:00:46 PM
Taralay is a awesome mango..... totally underrated
I agree...its delicious
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: fisherking73 on February 28, 2018, 08:24:47 PM
Taralay is one of my favorites. There is trees available? I thought they were never going to release them according to Walter.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: Cookie Monster on February 28, 2018, 10:10:33 PM
wow, I can't keep up with all the new zill releases. Good thing they are releasing the orange sherbet. I have an OS tree (err actually 2 of them) that have produced fruit for the last 3 years.

I selected 2 of the most promising seedlings from a batch of fruit purchased from Sir Walter (based on leaf and smell characteristics) and grafted them to a cut back and vigorously growing, mature mango tree (I lifted a page from David Sturrock's playbook on that one). Within 3 years, the trees started fruiting. But I had been waiting for Zill's to release before publicizing it, as I didn't want to infringe on Gary Zill's exclusivity. (I'm still not releasing budwood until the cultivar has been officially released.)

Both of my trees are absolutely identical to the parent, in both tree and fruit. After several years of eating the fruit and about 5-6 years of managing the tree, I'd say it's my least favorite of the Lemon-X club (consisting of Lemon Meringue, Lemon Zest, and Orange Sherbet). The tree is ridiculously vigorous. In fact, I think it puts Valencia Pride to shame. It does seem to set fruit from flower rather well. However, it grows so egregiously rapidly that my annual prunings (we're talking 15+ feet height reduction each year) preclude 2/3 of the tree from flowering.

As far as fruit quality goes, it does get jelly seed fairly easily. The flavor is good, but it has a more intense "lemon" component to it than the LZ and LM -- can't really describe this.

I know Alex has mentioned that LZ has susceptibility to black spot, and perhaps that is the one area in which OS excels? It's possible that my experiences with the tree are aberrant, but they seem to coincide with Walter's. I do think it's worth growing, but an LZ or LM may be preferable if space is lacking.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: simon_grow on February 28, 2018, 10:19:48 PM
Thanks for the info Jeff!

I have several OS seedlings growing and vigor is a good thing in SoCal. Lemon Zest has horrible issues with Powdery Mildew here, hopefully OS will perform a little better in that respect. I already have PPK and LZ so OS, if I select the right clone, will round out this trifecta.

Simon
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: Squam256 on February 28, 2018, 10:30:35 PM
Quote
I know Alex has mentioned that LZ has susceptibility to black spot, and perhaps that is the one area in which OS excels?

I think it might not be ďas badĒ as LZ when it comes to MBBS but it definitely gets it.

I like LZ better in flavor personally.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: johnb51 on February 28, 2018, 11:47:49 PM
So how does Orange Essence compare?
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: wslau on February 28, 2018, 11:54:48 PM
I tried one home grown orange essence and it had the lightest hint of orange.  Its a beautiful colored fruit though.  I prefer the stronger orange flavor in lemon zest.  My OE tree was in a pot and was very young, so maybe not a fair comparison.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: CA Hockey on March 01, 2018, 12:01:57 AM
So how do the guava buttercream and Tara lay taste or compare?
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: spaugh on March 01, 2018, 12:57:12 AM
I tried one home grown orange essence and it had the lightest hint of orange.  Its a beautiful colored fruit though.  I prefer the stronger orange flavor in lemon zest.  My OE tree was in a pot and was very young, so maybe not a fair comparison.

Hi I see your posts of mango trees shipped from florida.  I was thinking about trying out the mail order tree thing.  Is there a place tou recommend to order from?  I only know of top teopicals and plantogram.  Is there others?  Anyone to avoid? 

Thanks!
Brad Spaugh
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: wslau on March 01, 2018, 09:08:19 AM
I tried one home grown orange essence and it had the lightest hint of orange.  Its a beautiful colored fruit though.  I prefer the stronger orange flavor in lemon zest.  My OE tree was in a pot and was very young, so maybe not a fair comparison.

Hi I see your posts of mango trees shipped from florida.  I was thinking about trying out the mail order tree thing.  Is there a place tou recommend to order from?  I only know of top teopicals and plantogram.  Is there others?  Anyone to avoid? 

Thanks!
Brad Spaugh

Will send you PM.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: TnTrobbie on March 01, 2018, 10:05:08 AM
Was "Amy" ever released? I enjoyed it when I had it some 2-3yrs ago.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 01, 2018, 11:02:30 AM
My OS gets what I think is scab pretty badly. Powdery mildew hasn't been an issue.

If you want to fruit a seedling rapidly, best is to cut back a major limb on a mature mango tree and graft to the shoots. I got my OS to fruit within 3 years, while Walter said that the original tree took 8.

When selecting OS clones, make sure to weed out the ones that don't have orangey smelling sap. The OS leaves are also longer and flatter than the LZ.

Thanks for the info Jeff!

I have several OS seedlings growing and vigor is a good thing in SoCal. Lemon Zest has horrible issues with Powdery Mildew here, hopefully OS will perform a little better in that respect. I already have PPK and LZ so OS, if I select the right clone, will round out this trifecta.

Simon
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: spaugh on March 01, 2018, 11:06:50 AM
I tried one home grown orange essence and it had the lightest hint of orange.  Its a beautiful colored fruit though.  I prefer the stronger orange flavor in lemon zest.  My OE tree was in a pot and was very young, so maybe not a fair comparison.

Hi I see your posts of mango trees shipped from florida.  I was thinking about trying out the mail order tree thing.  Is there a place tou recommend to order from?  I only know of top teopicals and plantogram.  Is there others?  Anyone to avoid? 

Thanks!
Brad Spaugh

Will send you PM.

Thanks, I meant to PM you and ended up posting here on accident.  (Cell phone browsing).

I appreciate your message.  May try ordering some. 

Too bad no one grows these locally for sale.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 01, 2018, 01:32:00 PM
Orange Essence I believe is the mango that Walter had wanted to call "caboose," due to the odd shape of the shoulders. He eventually tore out his topworked OE tree due to a tendency to get anthracnose in the shoulder area near the stem. I was actually shocked when I found this out, as I had adored that mango.

From memory, the fruit was extremely delicious -- rich and sweet -- but is didn't really have much of an orangey flavor. The sap does smell orangey, though, so it should have some orange flavor near the rind. OS / LZ / LM, on the other hand, have a very strong orange component, although to me, OS has more of a lemon flavor than LZ and LM (which are more like orange). I think they should have reversed the naming and given OS the LZ moniker and vice versa.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: 561MangoFanatic on March 01, 2018, 02:24:59 PM
Taralay is a awesome mango..... totally underrated
I agree...its delicious

Totally agree as well! Made my top 5 list last year 🤓
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: johnb51 on March 01, 2018, 02:29:59 PM
Taralay is a awesome mango..... totally underrated
I agree...its delicious

Totally agree as well! Made my top 5 list last year 🤓
What is its season in general--early, mid, or late?  Is it a big tree or compact?
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: johnb51 on March 01, 2018, 03:58:16 PM
I found this from October 07, 2015, concerning Taralay:
Its a Julie seedling.  Moderate vigor.  Mid season.  Not available to the public at this time.
- Rob

Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: Barnacle1982 on March 01, 2018, 04:23:42 PM
Spoke to someone at Zills and was told that they are going to release a mango by the name of Orange Sorbet. Is this totally different than Orange Sherbet?
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: dwfl on March 01, 2018, 06:06:44 PM
I think Juliette is a great mango from the somewhat recent releases that are not much talked about.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: mangokothiyan on March 01, 2018, 06:40:35 PM
I think Juliette is a great mango from the somewhat recent releases that are not much talked about.


I have one waiting to go in the ground. Does the tree need a lot of space? Low or medium vigor?
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: pineislander on March 01, 2018, 06:56:34 PM
I think Juliette is a great mango from the somewhat recent releases that are not much talked about.


I have one waiting to go in the ground. Does the tree need a lot of space? Low or medium vigor?
I just took a pic of my Juliette today. It appears to be fairly compact.

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Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: Squam256 on March 01, 2018, 08:11:29 PM
I think Juliette is a great mango from the somewhat recent releases that are not much talked about.


I have one waiting to go in the ground. Does the tree need a lot of space? Low or medium vigor?

Medium for me.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: mangokothiyan on March 01, 2018, 10:26:04 PM


In terms of productivity, where would you put the Juliette?
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: 561MangoFanatic on March 02, 2018, 08:15:50 AM
Spoke to someone at Zills and was told that they are going to release a mango by the name of Orange Sorbet. Is this totally different than Orange Sherbet?

No itís the exact same. (G-32, Orange Sherbet, Orange Sorbet)
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: Barnacle1982 on March 03, 2018, 01:14:52 PM
Thank you
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: Squam256 on March 03, 2018, 02:14:07 PM


In terms of productivity, where would you put the Juliette?

Middle of the pack. Not ďheavyĒ but Certainly sufficient for a backyard.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: weiss613 on March 09, 2018, 08:57:20 PM
I was at Zillís today. Juana took care of me. I bought 20
of the best mango trees. I asked about Orange Sherbert
She said that they were discontinuing Lemon Zest
and they will start selling Orange Sherbert in its place.
Today is Friday March 9, 2018
This is 100% the G-ds honest truth. Juana did not say when but thought sometime
Before the end of the year.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: simon_grow on March 09, 2018, 09:13:18 PM
I wonder if this means that OS is more disease resistant? Does anyone know if OS is less susceptible to Powdery Mildew?

Simon
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 09, 2018, 10:24:37 PM
OK thanks for the update.

I was at Zillís today. Juana took care of me. I bought 20
of the best mango trees. I asked about Orange Sherbert
She said that they were discontinuing Lemon Zest
and they will start selling Orange Sherbert in its place.
Today is Friday March 9, 2018
This is 100% the G-ds honest truth. Juana did not say when but thought sometime
Before the end of the year.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: chrobrego on March 10, 2018, 12:57:15 AM
I have a Peach Cobbler that is two years old and planted in the ground here in Orlando Fl. It's surrounded by many other varieties. Not only was it in full bloom after two years but it took a major cold hit when the temp went down to 27 degrees here for several hours. This temp wiped out several of my 1 yr old mangos and got trees that were even placed right next to the house. The Peach Cobbler was unprotected and in the coldest spot on the property. Yep, killed some smaller branches but it has the quickest recovery time of all my 20 varieties - Mallika being a good second. I'm impressed. That being said, I have yet to taste the fruit since the cold killed my flowers.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: wslau on March 10, 2018, 01:26:09 AM
I have a Peach Cobbler that is two years old and planted in the ground here in Orlando Fl. It's surrounded by many other varieties. Not only was it in full bloom after two years but it took a major cold hit when the temp went down to 27 degrees here for several hours. This temp wiped out several of my 1 yr old mangos and got trees that were even placed right next to the house. The Peach Cobbler was unprotected and in the coldest spot on the property. Yep, killed some smaller branches but it has the quickest recovery time of all my 20 varieties - Mallika being a good second. I'm impressed. That being said, I have yet to taste the fruit since the cold killed my flowers.

Peach cobbler has a pleasant  tangerine flavor.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: johnb51 on March 10, 2018, 09:22:28 AM
I was at Zillís today. Juana took care of me. I bought 20
of the best mango trees. I asked about Orange Sherbert
She said that they were discontinuing Lemon Zest
and they will start selling Orange Sherbert in its place.
Today is Friday March 9, 2018
This is 100% the G-ds honest truth. Juana did not say when but thought sometime
Before the end of the year.
They don't sell one or two trees, do they?  What would be the smallest purchase? 20 trees, like you bought?
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: Squam256 on March 10, 2018, 10:33:05 AM
I think Peach cobbler is a mango possibly well suited for California and cooler areas. It has struggled to flower for us here and spent far too much time growing.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: mangomongo on March 10, 2018, 10:41:15 AM
Alex,
How would you rate Peach cobbler in resistance to the new desieses and also sensitivity to sulfer as compared to the other members in its lineage?
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: Squam256 on March 10, 2018, 10:51:14 AM
Alex,
How would you rate Peach cobbler in resistance to the new desieses and also sensitivity to sulfer as compared to the other members in its lineage?

Its likely resistant due to containing Gary/Julie genes ( great-great grandchild of Julie). The fruit has been completely clean thus far.

 No phytotoxicity to sulfur observed. Really only a couple cultivars have that issue.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: MANGOJOY on March 10, 2018, 10:53:24 AM

Discontinuing Lemonzest!!! >:(  It is sad news ..Itís a great mango
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: mangomongo on March 10, 2018, 11:29:05 AM
Alex,
How would you rate Peach cobbler in resistance to the new desieses and also sensitivity to sulfer as compared to the other members in its lineage?

Its likely resistant due to containing Gary/Julie genes ( great-great grandchild of Julie). The fruit has been completely clean thus far.

 No phytotoxicity to sulfur observed. Really only a couple cultivars have that issue.
Sounds like a good fit for those of us up here in Merritt island with our cooler climate. Mine seem to be flowering profusely and setting well but are still young and small. It will be a few seasons untill I'm ready to report on how the fruit does up here.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: CA Hockey on March 10, 2018, 04:33:34 PM
 Hope mine survives long enough to get some good fruit. Of course , if it fails I may just have to rely on my Ďorange sherbetí 😀
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: Guanabanus on March 10, 2018, 05:11:24 PM
And let us not forget the wonderful 'M-4', sibling of the 'Cotton Candy';

and the wonderful 'K-3', also known as 'Kathy'.  The latter, I only recommend for the coastal zone.

A few of both were sold last year.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: mangomongo on March 10, 2018, 07:04:07 PM
And let us not forget the wonderful 'M-4', sibling of the 'Cotton Candy';

and the wonderful 'K-3', also known as 'Kathy'.  The latter, I only recommend for the coastal zone.

A few of both were sold last year.

If you had to pick between cotton candy or M4 given that yard space was the issue which one would you pick and why?
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: Guanabanus on March 11, 2018, 03:13:20 PM
I only observed these in 2015.

For flavor and heavy production and more lateral growth habit and lowish-to-medium vigor, the M-4.  But the original tree is said to be an every-other-year producer--- that is why it hasn't been promoted.

I also very much like the flavor of the Cotton Candy, and its sturdy, upright growth habit and non-exagerated lowish to medium vigor.  It is said to be a more dependable, annual producer.

If I had a tiny property to plant mangos, I would buy either one of them, and then, 3-4 years later, I would top-work graft a few of the branches with the other variety.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: WGphil on March 12, 2018, 01:22:07 PM
I planted some of the fan favorites recently and since then they have faced Irma and freezing temps to blooming.

I donít spray or didnít as for the first time I sprayed sulfur on the Lemon Zest.  I knew it was going to have PM problems and love the fruit.  The others I watched from blooms being frozen off to rebloom to weeks of perfect weather for PM.

So the winners

Fruit punch had a couple panicles get pm but I clipped those off.

Peach cobbler very clean. Juicy peach  Kathy , sweet tart, Phoenix, and honey kiss all clean.


Nam Doc Mai had the most for older tree and Providence for the younger.  Showing up for first time in Fairchild and a lesser  amount was the  Edgar and
Young. Light return on fruit punch.






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(https://s10.postimg.cc/8h92pg0f9/8_AEDC932-1429-4_EBD-815_C-49777_D6797_F6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8h92pg0f9/)

(https://s10.postimg.cc/ugfhclrj9/96_D6_AF94-23_B2-4895-8108-_CAD1504738_CF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ugfhclrj9/)

(https://s10.postimg.cc/ycst8nhol/B907_F5_B0-_B03_C-493_B-97_CB-_E9_EB4258608_E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ycst8nhol/)

(https://s10.postimg.cc/qwtjmvh4l/C7359905-28_EA-41_FA-9441-_C415_BC288_D56.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/qwtjmvh4l/)

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Pics are

Fruit punch
Peach Cobbler blooms
Cotten Candy. The only one not to bloom
Phoenix
FP blooms
Honey Kiss
Juicy Peach

Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: JF on March 12, 2018, 05:23:58 PM
Anyone have info on Carla mango?
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: simon_grow on March 12, 2018, 10:46:40 PM
Hereís info on Carla Mango:
https://tropicalacresfarms.com/mango-descriptions-a-j
Simon
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: weiss613 on March 17, 2018, 11:26:42 AM
Reference to the question of how many trees do you have to buy at Zill High Performane.
You canít buy any without a commercial license. With a license you can buy even 1.
I was there a week ago and they were cleaned out of the top tier mangoes. I wanted 15
Pineapple Pleasures they had none. No Cotton candy, Sweet Tarts or Lemon Zest.
I was able to get 2 LZ that had just been transferred from a 3 gallon pot to a 7. I was happy to get the last of them so I overpaid. So if you want LZ you should check the retailers who carry it cause Zill wonít make any anymore. They will be switching to Orange Sherbert production. Thatís so damn cool considering
all the desperate discussions and neurosis on these pages over the years on how we can obtain an Orange Sherbert. Myself included. Now one day we all can see for ourselves if OS will be #1!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: WGphil on March 17, 2018, 11:51:37 AM
Going to dig up my maha Chanok and give it to a friend for a prime spot in my yard to put in Orange Sherbet...

And yes I have tasted both.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: j-grow on March 17, 2018, 12:14:00 PM
That's a bummer ....... I'm heading back down there Wednesday to get 30 more trees ...... not sure what I will end up with ...... obviously I can only buy what they have available.

After these 30 go in the ground I won't be planting any more mango until after the barns go up ( July/august completion ) ....... wonder if I should buy trees now for later and just keep them in pots until I'm ready? ........ sounds like it will be even slimmer picking if I wait
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: Squam256 on March 17, 2018, 12:20:08 PM
That's a bummer ....... I'm heading back down there Wednesday to get 30 more trees ...... not sure what I will end up with ...... obviously I can only buy what they have available.

After these 30 go in the ground I won't be planting any more mango until after the barns go up ( July/august completion ) ....... wonder if I should buy trees now for later and just keep them in pots until I'm ready? ........ sounds like it will be even slimmer picking if I wait

Probably. These people in Arizona and Texas are going nuts.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: dwfl on March 17, 2018, 03:51:43 PM
That's a bummer ....... I'm heading back down there Wednesday to get 30 more trees ...... not sure what I will end up with ...... obviously I can only buy what they have available.

After these 30 go in the ground I won't be planting any more mango until after the barns go up ( July/august completion ) ....... wonder if I should buy trees now for later and just keep them in pots until I'm ready? ........ sounds like it will be even slimmer picking if I wait

If you want them this year get them while you can
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: WGphil on March 19, 2018, 10:12:07 AM
Going to top work my Providence which is having major problems with PM.  Saw on recent Truly Tropical video that her Pineapple Pleasure had a bad case of it also.

I have noticed the pale yellow blooms as a group show more resistance than the more pink types.
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos
Post by: mangomandan on July 13, 2018, 09:46:48 AM
Based on a sampling of 3 Buttercream mangos that I bought last week, I like it a lot. I would say it has a classic mango flavor, so not unique or spectacular, but pretty good. Also large. I like Guava mango a lot too, because it has a different flavor profile than other varieties. Also remember liking Taralay a lot, but it's been a couple years since I have been able to try one.

In comparison to some other cultivars that I tried for the first time this year, it was easy to eat Buttercream at a stage that tasted good. (I tried Sugarloaf too soon (the flesh was nearly white though kinda soft), Orange Sherbet too late (it was still pretty good).

One other note about Buttercream. The ones I bought had plenty of fungus on the skin, but it did not affect the quality/taste.  (see below)




So how do the guava buttercream and Tara lay taste or compare?
(https://s8.postimg.cc/ikwy48di9/Buttercream_mango_July_2018.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ikwy48di9/)
Title: Re: Best of the New Zill Mangos (Truly Tropical)
Post by: Das Bhut on April 03, 2019, 10:46:59 PM
any new info on buttercream, orange sherbert, peach cobbler, et cetera?