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Title: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: mangokothiyan on March 05, 2019, 01:05:50 PM


Love the taste of both the varieties, but they do not seem productive at all in my yard. Both flower easily but seem unable to hold on to many fruits. Anything I can do to improve fruit set? If not, I am going to have to topwork a couple of new varieties on to the trees.

What are some of the new varieties that seem to be productive and good, taste-wise?



 
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: roblack on March 05, 2019, 02:27:12 PM
Wonder if this might help?

http://scihub.org/ABJNA/PDF/2010/3/1-3-421-429.pdf (http://scihub.org/ABJNA/PDF/2010/3/1-3-421-429.pdf)

Simon had posted this in another thread. Kelp with yeast foliar spray evidently helps with fruit set and quality. I've sprayed my flowers on Glenn, NDM4, Venus, and Coco Cream. All have little fruits now.
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 05, 2019, 04:42:39 PM
Been decent on sunrise (don't have UB planted). Decent to me is 1 fruit per 1 - 2 pannicles.
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: Squam256 on March 05, 2019, 05:09:03 PM
Ugly Betty has been a huge disappointment for us. Iíll have to check Sunrise.
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: mangokothiyan on March 05, 2019, 05:30:26 PM
Been decent on sunrise (don't have UB planted). Decent to me is 1 fruit per 1 - 2 pannicles.

The fruit to pannicle ratio for me on the Sunrise last year was like 1:40 : :(  This year, it looks even worse.  How do you take care of the tree?  What is your fertilizer regimen and what do you spray the flowers with?

Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 05, 2019, 05:55:11 PM
Yikes. I give mine Har's 0-3-16 3 - 4 times per year and then spray with a rotation of fungicides when flowering commences, roughly once every 2 weeks. I did miss a week this year though ... was out of the country on vacation. Seems like it took a couple of years of consistent fertilization before yields started to increase.

Been decent on sunrise (don't have UB planted). Decent to me is 1 fruit per 1 - 2 pannicles.

The fruit to pannicle ratio for me on the Sunrise last year was like 1:40 : :(  This year, it looks even worse.  How do you take care of the tree?  What is your fertilizer regimen and what do you spray the flowers with?
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: FlMikey on March 05, 2019, 10:58:58 PM
In general does Sunrise set a lot of fruit?  I was thinking of grafting it on my Sweet Tart.
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: Guanabanus on March 06, 2019, 01:02:03 PM
Roblack,
How is the yeast extract prepared?

That interesting paper didn't say whether the algae extract was from marine species (such as Kelp, or other), or from fresh-water algae.
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: Oncorhynchus on March 06, 2019, 02:56:44 PM
Roblack,
How is the yeast extract prepared?

That interesting paper didn't say whether the algae extract was from marine species (such as Kelp, or other), or from fresh-water algae.

I didnít read the whole thing but it said 0.2% active bread yeast so Iím assuming they just dissolved regular old bakers yeast in water and sprayed it on. I looked into Oligo-X and itís made with blue green algae so Iím guessing spirulina.
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: Squam256 on March 06, 2019, 07:15:00 PM

Most of the Sunrise tree still has open flowers but a few that have set look normal so far:

(https://i.postimg.cc/DmMj10Gv/070-BA7-A3-2-CB6-4-AB0-A6-AA-8-DB343-F39204.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DmMj10Gv)

(https://i.postimg.cc/hfQCsn89/5-A9-A5-C34-17-FC-47-F6-9-C11-FFD0-F0858-B41.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hfQCsn89)
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: FlMikey on March 07, 2019, 06:48:42 AM

Most of the Sunrise tree still has open flowers but a few that have set look normal so far:

(https://i.postimg.cc/DmMj10Gv/070-BA7-A3-2-CB6-4-AB0-A6-AA-8-DB343-F39204.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DmMj10Gv)

(https://i.postimg.cc/hfQCsn89/5-A9-A5-C34-17-FC-47-F6-9-C11-FFD0-F0858-B41.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hfQCsn89)

I'd be happy with that fruit set.  How's disease resistance (I live in West Broward so far inland)?
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: Guanabanus on March 07, 2019, 07:43:22 AM
The paper mentioned using different, very specific concentrations of active bread yeast.

If one were simply weighing, or volume measuring, powdered yeast, one could easily figure concentration;  however, I am not at all sure how I would go about getting yeast to be actively growing and then measure concentration.  Any ideas?
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: roblack on March 07, 2019, 07:53:26 AM
I was a little confused by the paper as well. What I've done, as per Simon, is the use the following per gallon of water:

1 teaspoon of yeast

1 - 2 tablespoons of kelp extract

1/2 teaspoon of coco wet.

I've been spraying everything with it, and plants are responding positively. One of my dwarf coconut palms had leaves that were yellowing, coloring up nicely after one spraying. Hitting the mango flowers with it, and getting good fruit set. Probably just a coincidence, but pineapples started flowering a couple of weeks after being sprayed.

Thinking of spraying my kids.
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: Guanabanus on March 07, 2019, 08:05:23 AM
Very helpful, and easy.
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: Guanabanus on March 07, 2019, 08:14:41 AM
I guess one could measure the powder, per a 0.2% concentration of the future spray mix, but place it initially in a small amount of warm water for a few hours, perhaps with blackstrap molasses to work on.  Blackstrap is also a traditional micronutrient source.
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 07, 2019, 08:45:04 AM
The results in that paper sound almost too good to be true, considering the simplicity of the spray concoction.

But it would be really easy to try for oneself as Rob has done.

Wonder how it would affect other fruits, like Asimina triloba....may have to try it someday.
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: Squam256 on March 07, 2019, 05:55:46 PM

Most of the Sunrise tree still has open flowers but a few that have set look normal so far:

(https://i.postimg.cc/DmMj10Gv/070-BA7-A3-2-CB6-4-AB0-A6-AA-8-DB343-F39204.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DmMj10Gv)

(https://i.postimg.cc/hfQCsn89/5-A9-A5-C34-17-FC-47-F6-9-C11-FFD0-F0858-B41.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hfQCsn89)

I'd be happy with that fruit set.  How's disease resistance (I live in West Broward so far inland)?

It seems to be pretty disease resistant.
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: clannewton on March 07, 2019, 07:19:27 PM
I had three sunrise trees and one ugly betty that gave me tons of fruit last year.  I am in Brevard county. The fruit were clean and this year they are just now flowering. The sunrise trees in particular were very productive and had a pretty extended season.
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: mangomongo on March 07, 2019, 08:55:08 PM
I had three sunrise trees and one ugly betty that gave me tons of fruit last year.  I am in Brevard county. The fruit were clean and this year they are just now flowering. The sunrise trees in particular were very productive and had a pretty extended season.

How is the fruit on both of those?
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: mangokothiyan on March 07, 2019, 09:22:09 PM
I had three sunrise trees and one ugly betty that gave me tons of fruit last year.  I am in Brevard county. The fruit were clean and this year they are just now flowering. The sunrise trees in particular were very productive and had a pretty extended season.

How is the fruit on both of those?

Very good..
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: roblack on March 07, 2019, 10:03:26 PM
I guess one could measure the powder, per a 0.2% concentration of the future spray mix, but place it initially in a small amount of warm water for a few hours, perhaps with blackstrap molasses to work on.  Blackstrap is also a traditional micronutrient source.

To activate baker's yeast, get a cup of warm water (110 F) and sprinkle yeast on top. Following Har's recommendation, probably would be good to add blackstrap molasses (1 teaspoon) at this time. Yeast feeds on sugar. Wait 15 minutes, and should be ready. Then mix in the kelp, wetting agent, and water to make a gallon of spray.

Seems it would work well with pawpaw. I sprayed avocado flowers recently, going to hit them again in a week or so. My avocado tree (oro negro) flowered for first time last year, held fruit for a while, then dropped all fruit. Hoping for better results this year. Tree is 100% in bloom.
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 11, 2019, 04:32:30 PM
Here's my sunrise. Fruit set has actually been really strong on the second bloom, and I missed a fungicide spray at a critical point (I was on vacation).

(https://i.postimg.cc/MnPgjnWf/IMG-0013.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MnPgjnWf)

(https://i.postimg.cc/B8RyMRPq/IMG-0014.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/B8RyMRPq)

(https://i.postimg.cc/4YNrd6TT/IMG-0015.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4YNrd6TT)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Jtjwd7QS/IMG-0016.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Jtjwd7QS)
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: mangokothiyan on March 11, 2019, 04:40:56 PM

Here's my sunrise. Fruit set has actually been really strong on the second bloom, and I missed a fungicide spray at a critical point (I was on vacation).

(https://i.postimg.cc/MnPgjnWf/IMG-0013.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MnPgjnWf)

(https://i.postimg.cc/B8RyMRPq/IMG-0014.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/B8RyMRPq)

(https://i.postimg.cc/4YNrd6TT/IMG-0015.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4YNrd6TT)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Jtjwd7QS/IMG-0016.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Jtjwd7QS)


That is great to see, Jeff, and gives me hope. Fruit set has  improved on the second bloom for me as well; the first was a total washout. It is the case with Carrie as well; the first bloom on both the varieties have been abysmal for the last 3-4 years at least but the second bloom is markedly better. 

I have a grand total of one mango from the first bloom on Ugly Betty. It is in bloom again and I hope I get at least 10 mangoes from the second bloom. I am planning to topwork the tree; any suggestions on a productive and vigorous cultivar from among the recent ones? I have Edgar in mind, but the  variety is only medium vigor in my yard while UB loves to grow.

Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: roblack on March 11, 2019, 05:33:18 PM
Judging by the many little fruit set on my grafted section, Venus is setting like no other in my yard. No way it will hold all of them, but excellent thus far. A nice later season mango as well.
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 11, 2019, 07:00:43 PM
Judging by the many little fruit set on my grafted section, Venus is setting like no other in my yard. No way it will hold all of them, but excellent thus far. A nice later season mango as well.

Sorry, are you attributing this to the spray?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: simon_grow on March 11, 2019, 07:07:54 PM
Hey everyone, just to clarify things a bit, I used the nutrient yeast which is dead. You can purchase these nutritional yeast supplements online or at health food stores but I wouldnít buy the expensive stuff. Basically itís just dead yeast which has lots of different B vitamins along with Sulfur, Magnesium, Zinc, Iron and other minerals.

If you cant find it, you can just take bakers yeast and cook it.

Hereís a link to a random yeast supplement I found online but it gives you an idea of whatís found in the yeast that may have plant growth promoting properties.

I have not tried using live/activated bakers yeast but it may work.

Simon
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: simon_grow on March 11, 2019, 07:10:15 PM
Hereís the link.
https://shop.drberg.com/nutritional-yeast-regular?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=NewShoppingRaza&utm_term=NutritionalYeastTablets&gclid=Cj0KCQjwjpjkBRDRARIsAKv-0O3uBVzOpf0HmYP5QDWwXnDF94U6dy17S1KuL3rX75D8oE94h4yeIlQaAqwfEALw_wcB

I wouldnít buy the yeast that I linked above because itís too expensive. Itís the dead yeast hulls with all the nutrients you want.

Simon
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: mangokothiyan on March 11, 2019, 08:24:45 PM
Judging by the many little fruit set on my grafted section, Venus is setting like no other in my yard. No way it will hold all of them, but excellent thus far. A nice later season mango as well.

Venus has been great in my yard as well, great fruit set and very good late season mango. It is a much slower grower compared to UB.
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 11, 2019, 09:18:54 PM
Hey everyone, just to clarify things a bit, I used the nutrient yeast which is dead. You can purchase these nutritional yeast supplements online or at health food stores but I wouldnít buy the expensive stuff. Basically itís just dead yeast which has lots of different B vitamins along with Sulfur, Magnesium, Zinc, Iron and other minerals.

If you cant find it, you can just take bakers yeast and cook it.

Hereís a link to a random yeast supplement I found online but it gives you an idea of whatís found in the yeast that may have plant growth promoting properties.

I have not tried using live/activated bakers yeast but it may work.

Simon

Ah-ha!  And now I see the paper calls it yeast extract.

That makes it sound more like Vegemite or Marmite. In fact, I have a jar of Vegemite and it's called "Vegemite Yeast Extract" and the first ingredient is yeast extract. However, it is extremely salty (salt is second ingredient, i think.) May or may not be wise to use.

Another idea might be Nutritional Yeast, sold in health food stores, which is flaky yellow/brown stuff that has lots of B vitamins, etc, but does NOT have salt.

Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: roblack on March 11, 2019, 09:45:38 PM
All my trees have little loafs popping up everywhere.

Glad Simon cleared that one up. I'm not one to read the instructions very well, if at all.
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: clannewton on March 11, 2019, 11:53:38 PM
I had three sunrise trees and one ugly betty that gave me tons of fruit last year.  I am in Brevard county. The fruit were clean and this year they are just now flowering. The sunrise trees in particular were very productive and had a pretty extended season.

How is the fruit on both of those?

Very good..

If you like more of the spicey/piney tasting mangoes like carrie or angie, than these will be right up your alley.
Title: Re: Anyone with good fruit set on either Ugly Betty or Sunrise?
Post by: WGphil on March 12, 2019, 07:36:56 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/fS4Q9Rcc/76905-AAE-C2-B5-40-F8-B921-4-FB10-AAD91-B9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fS4Q9Rcc)


Guava mango fertilizer only