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Title: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 08, 2013, 12:33:23 PM
This is a thread for those who have a problem.  This isn't a thread for the casual jaboticaba grower...such as the growers who're satisfied with one or two varieties.  If you find yourself thinking about new varieties of jaboticaba several times a day, you have found the right place. 

Go ahead and contribute to the discussion, and you'll be an official member of J.A.  I ask that everyone please refrain from using real names, and defer to profile usernames...so we can remain anonymous.  ;D  ;)

here is a prayer to get our first meeting started:


        God, give me grace to accept with serenity
        the jabuticabeiras that I cannot cultivate,
        Courage to collect the jabuticabeiras
        which should be grown,
        and the Wisdom to distinguish
        one from the other.









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Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: jabotica on February 08, 2013, 01:24:43 PM
  Let me be the first to sign up .  so meny jaboticabas so little time
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Rtreid on February 08, 2013, 01:51:40 PM
Sign me up too!  Any time I see a variety available that I do not have I just have to obtain one.  And I am constantly finding myself drooling on the  photos of all the different jabo varieties in Lorenzo's book... if only I could get some seeds...

Richard
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: nullzero on February 08, 2013, 01:55:32 PM
Can sign me up too lol. I love the fact that the fruit grows out of the trunk on a lot of Jabos. The tasty fruit is a big plus. I am waiting on adding more jabos. Only have 2 atm, I really want to try out the hybrid Red Jabo.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on February 08, 2013, 02:00:21 PM
Hi, my username is Ohiojay...and I'm jaboticabaless.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 08, 2013, 02:22:14 PM
Great to see you guys here to get some help!  Your being honest and coming forward takes a lot of courage.

I have a few friends I'm worried about...

Jabomano might be the worst off!  He thinks about them even more than me...and I thought I could think anyone under the table, when it came to myrciaria madness.

Also, a nice new fellow I've met named Huertasurbanas has been associating with the jabo junkies..asking lots of questions about where they get their fix.  He's just getting into this whole mix, so the choice is still his to make.






Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on February 08, 2013, 02:59:28 PM
Hi Adam,
Count me in the jab madness...there is no cure and i'm afraid  :'( :o ;D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: pj1881 (Patrick) on February 08, 2013, 03:08:47 PM
Why is it always the dealers who set up these "recovery" programs?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: BENDERSGROVE on February 08, 2013, 03:18:14 PM
Junkies!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lol.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on February 08, 2013, 05:17:43 PM
Hello, i'm a jabocaholic. I used to be just mildly addicted, just eating some when i got home, so as to relax from a stressful day at work. But then i met Adam! I have to tell you that hanging around other jabocaholics, especially dealers, is not good for you! If you really want to get off the addiction you have to choose your friends more carefully. Birds of a feather stick together, and all that kind of stuff. The worst sinner is probably Harry Lorenzi because he published that devil's work, a sinful book with all those full frontal photos. We guys are so easily visually stimulated. That book should be prohibited reading. It should be banned.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on February 08, 2013, 05:22:17 PM
I forgot to add that Adam is definitely the most sinful of the lot. He mixes up all those cocktail jabos that one just can't resist, as much as i do try!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 08, 2013, 06:19:30 PM
BTW, I uploaded some pics in my first post on this thread...the allure of jaboticaba comes in many forms!

thanks to all who've contributed to this discussion so far...together we can have an amazing assortment of jaboticabas...world wide!

and we can make lots of wine and get drunk! ;D. just kdding!

fruits are best eaten right off of the cob (caulis) like corn.

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on February 08, 2013, 06:27:15 PM
I guess I shouldn't post here but I must admit I wish I was addicted to Jabo's, luckily or sadly I don't have a dealer close my me for I'm afraid that it would be very easy to get hooked!!!!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cookie Monster on February 08, 2013, 06:37:48 PM
hehe jaboticaba is just a gateway drug. wait til you hit full fledged mangoholism.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: luc on February 08, 2013, 06:41:04 PM
After much pressure from the family , Luc ( not the real name ) decided to give in and go trough the necessary steps that you will suggest .
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: BENDERSGROVE on February 08, 2013, 06:42:41 PM
hehe jaboticaba is just a gateway drug. wait til you hit full fledged mangoholism.
That must make Harry the Pablo Escobar of mangoes!!! hahahahaha!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 08, 2013, 06:49:56 PM
After much pressure from the family , Luc ( not the real name ) decided to give in and go trough the necessary steps that you will suggest .

Luc...hahaha...I guess it's no secret that Tomas and Edself65 are hooked as well.

Haha...so much for anonymous.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Rtreid on February 09, 2013, 12:05:56 AM
Adam,

I saw one of your multi graft jabos today....  Me want ( or should I say need)!!!!!

Richard
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Ethan on February 09, 2013, 12:07:01 AM
I dont need them, it is just for fun, I can quit anytime I choose....

Curtis Mayfield - Pusherman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCDAfa-NI-M#)

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on February 09, 2013, 12:25:57 AM
Super Fruit Fly singing da Jabo Pushaman?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Xeno on February 09, 2013, 02:23:19 AM
wait til you hit full fledged mangoholism.
I'm slowly getting there. I've got Glenn and Timotayo mango and I'm looking at a Gold Nugget and Carrie mango tree soon. And I haven't even tried the fruits yet!!! :(
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Tomas on February 09, 2013, 09:04:52 AM
Hi Adam,

Save a chair for me. Perhaps you can help me with my latest addiction to my imaginary Myrciaria coronata?

Anonymous


Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 09, 2013, 09:14:04 AM
Tomas,

I'm your sponsor...of course you have a chair.

 ;D

So do you want coronata light, or the coronata extra, with lime? ;D ;D

I'll make sure to pick you up a corona!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Berto on February 09, 2013, 10:29:07 AM
Hey psiu Tomas ma man!  I got something really nice for you!! (have you guys ever heard someone talking like this and trying to get your attention?  hahahahahaahahahahah).  It will make you feel like a king!  You will feel so good that you may want to throw that crown (corona, coroa) away!hahahahahahahahaahahahahaha
Tomas please send me an email! 

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Joshua_TX on February 09, 2013, 11:51:31 AM
They say the first step is admitting you have a problem...

It started so innocently enough.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 09, 2013, 12:23:33 PM
They say the first step is admitting you have a problem...

It started so innocently enough.

Yes...the main problem a jaboticaba addict has...is figuring out which ones they can grow...and which ones to bypass.

glad to see you here!  we can work it out as a group, I'm sure.

It helps to hear from others with the same problems...

I thought I was the only one, until I met Jabomano.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on February 09, 2013, 12:35:54 PM
Great to see you guys here to get some help!  Your being honest and coming forward takes a lot of courage.

I have a few friends I'm worried about...

Jabomano might be the worst off!  He thinks about them even more than me...and I thought I could think anyone under the table, when it came to myrciaria madness.

Also, a nice new fellow I've met named Huertasurbanas has been associating with the jabo junkies..asking lots of questions about where they get their fix.  He's just getting into this whole mix, so the choice is still his to make.

I was reading the rules carefully to enter this club of self-help, and since I dont have more of a variety of jaboticaba and not more than two days culturing it, I think I can still pretend to be healthy.

But as I tried to sleep last night thinking about the yellow leaves of jaboticaba of 32cm, the cutest one I have, and thought of spraying water to cuddle, and had my wife and my little girl next to me, and I thought about jabuticabas (and not about them): then I realized that I am infected with a new addiction.

Maybe I will have to wait 12 years to try a fruit of jaboticaba: is it much time to be sick of something?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 09, 2013, 12:41:37 PM
Huertas!

Good to see you here!  You have broken the curse of denial! (many others I know have yet to accept reality)

you're on the road to discovery.  A journey full of jaboticaba varieties, and things you never imagined possible. 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on February 09, 2013, 04:49:32 PM
Huertas!

Good to see you here!  You have broken the curse of denial! (many others I know have yet to accept reality)

you're on the road to discovery.  A journey full of jaboticaba varieties, and things you never imagined possible.


wow!! I was so happy to be accepted into the group, I ran and flew over my sink.

(http://s18.postimage.org/nongbdrf9/panzaso.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/nongbdrf9/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on February 09, 2013, 04:53:55 PM
Huertas!

Good to see you here!  You have broken the curse of denial! (many others I know have yet to accept reality)

you're on the road to discovery.  A journey full of jaboticaba varieties, and things you never imagined possible.


wow!! I was so happy to be accepted into the group, I ran and flew over my sink.

([url]http://s18.postimage.org/nongbdrf9/panzaso.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/nongbdrf9/[/url])


LMAO...Nice dive, Huertas ;D ;D ;D I can actually drown in that...Yikes :o
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 09, 2013, 08:06:06 PM
can you tell the difference between the 3 varieties in the photos?   Look at the pulp texture..
(http://s12.postimage.org/x276wiqyx/pictures_adam_2011_November_4_156.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/x276wiqyx/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: luc on February 09, 2013, 09:13:47 PM
Sorry I wont be able to be at the Thursday night meetings ( airfare too expensive ) so it will have to be by email , Facebook , Twitter or you guys just pray for me ( I just sinned again , Oscar's fault , by adding some wood ashes , potasium he said , to all my babies .)

BTW , are they still legal to grow in the " good old USA " , according to your news people growing their own food in their front yard are put in jail ????
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 10, 2013, 10:04:04 AM
Luc,

they're still legal!  But the local wildlife makes routine busts...with racoons, squirrels, rats, birds, and giant-hairless 2 legged squirrels, confiscating a large number of fruits.

BTW, the three jabos below from left to right...

Red jabo, Sabara, Grimal

Notice the pulp of the Grimal is much more gelatinous...I think Grimal might be the best of all 3, but I wouldn't trade one for the other.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 10, 2013, 10:07:21 AM
Huertas,

I just saw your post flying over the sink!

HAHAHA!  Hilarious!

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on February 10, 2013, 05:33:27 PM
Luc,

they're still legal!  But the local wildlife makes routine busts...with racoons, squirrels, rats, birds, and giant-hairless 2 legged squirrels, confiscating a large number of fruits.

BTW, the three jabos below from left to right...

Red jabo, Sabara, Grimal

Notice the pulp of the Grimal is much more gelatinous...I think Grimal might be the best of all 3, but I wouldn't trade one for the other.

Where's the fuzz? Grimals with no fuzz? Or just the camera angle?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 10, 2013, 06:05:10 PM
All grimals i've seen have fuzz, but it's hard to see unless lighting is right.

it's just this one picture angle...showing pulp consistency...and whole fruits.

the sizes are deceiving.. the reds which are usually smallest, are the largest...and the grimals which are usually the largest, are quite small.

but pulp is a dead giveaway
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on February 10, 2013, 06:25:25 PM
I've yet to have the pleasure of eating those fuzzy creatures. But i can't really tell from that photo that the grimals are more gelatinous? What do you base that on?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 10, 2013, 06:52:48 PM
if you look close (maybe click twice on photo to view full sze)
you'll see the 2 grimals have what looks to be a more fibrous pullp.
the red and sabara has a more watery pulp...you can see air bubbles in the pulp, showing how succulent the consistency is.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on February 10, 2013, 07:08:07 PM
OK i double clicked. The only conclusion i can come to for sure is that the red and sabara have a more translucent color. But isn't it possible to have a translucent gelatinous fruit? I do see an air bubble, but for me that wouldn't be enough to say with certainty that it's not gelatinous. I'm wondering if you come to these conclusions because you already know from having tasted it that grimal is gelatinous? We need to do a double blind gelatinous study on you to say for sure about your gelatinous discerning abilities!  ;)
Anyway, thanks for posting. I love those side by side varietal photos!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 10, 2013, 07:35:40 PM
in this case, translucent indicates more succulent.

just to put it simply, the grimal definitely has a thicker pulp, with a less watery consistency.  I've eaten hundreds...they have a thick skin, and small seeds!  lots of pulp.

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on February 10, 2013, 07:50:46 PM
in this case, translucent indicates more succulent.

just to put it simply, the grimal definitely has a thicker pulp, with a less watery consistency.  I've eaten hundreds...they have a thick skin, and small seeds!  lots of pulp.

Thanks, can't wait to try the fuzzy grimals. Would you say the vexator has similar gelatinous consistency to grimals? Vexator is another one i've not eaten yet. I'm seriously deprived over here!  :'(
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 10, 2013, 09:17:29 PM
yes!

the vexator is quite gelatinous...maybe even more gelatinous than Grimal...

they are  borderline fibrous..but it's not objectionable....somewhat similar to yellow jabo.



Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on February 10, 2013, 09:30:05 PM
yes!

the vexator is quite gelatinous...maybe even more gelatinous than Grimal...

they are  borderline fibrous..but it's not objectionable....somewhat similar to yellow jabo.

Vexator is similar to yellow jabo in being fibrous? I don't find the yellow jabo (cabelluda) to be at all fibrous. They're very juicy. Or did you mean similar in some other way?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: nullzero on February 10, 2013, 10:05:45 PM
All this talk about Grimal is making me want to seek one out.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 10, 2013, 10:06:16 PM
they're similar in pulp texture...being thicker...and yes...even having a somewhat more fibrous texture...with some fruits having fibrous bits that seem to emanate from the seed...not just free floating in the pulp.  Even reds, and sabaras have bits of fiber sometimes. 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 10, 2013, 10:09:07 PM
here is another pic of the fruits before they were cut.

(http://s18.postimage.org/b6g82rds5/pictures_adam_2011_November_4_154.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/b6g82rds5/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 10, 2013, 10:26:27 PM
vexator..showing fiber strands...
(http://s9.postimage.org/rkhmeccy3/pictures_adam_2011_November_4_1091.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/rkhmeccy3/)
glazioviana, showing fiber strands as well
(http://s7.postimage.org/9g9a5d013/GIANTYELLOW4_18_12_007.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/9g9a5d013/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: LEOOEL on February 11, 2013, 01:52:09 AM
OK, here's my Jaboticabaholics Anonymous confession. I've been Jaboticabadreaming for years. I bought a seedling in Key West about 10 years ago, and no fruit yet.  :'(

Where I live, Miami, nurseries that sell trees with fruit charge about $300-400/tree. That's out of reach for me.

I've never tasted Jaboticaba fruit  :'( What does it taste like? From the pictures I've seen, it looks like the Muscadine grape. Does it taste something like a Muscadine grape?

Jaboticabaholics Anonymous, I can't get any Jabotisfaction;           help?            :'(
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: zands on February 11, 2013, 02:03:16 AM
OK, here's my Jaboticabaholics Anonymous confession. I've been Jaboticabadreaming for years. I bought a seedling in Key West about 10 years ago, and no fruit yet.  :'(

Where I live, Miami, nurseries that sell trees with fruit charge about $300-400/tree. That's out of reach for me.

I've never tasted Jaboticaba fruit  :'( What does it taste like? From the pictures I've seen, it looks like the Muscadine grape. Does it taste something like a Muscadine grape?

Jaboticabaholics Anonymous, I can't get any Jabotisfaction;           help?            :'(

Thick astringent skin like muscadines but it will fruit in many seasons and muscadines only fruit in warm months. These thick astringent skins are what protects muscadine from insects, rot and fungus in our hot wet Florida climate. Spit out the skin on both. Jaboticaba are grape tasting

And on avocados year round in Florida. Be careful because many of them are watery avocados that are roughly like zucchini hanging from a tree. Low oil content so not meaty tasting and not suitable for guacamole. They are good in the own right but are not...might not be the oily ones you have in mind. Russel is your classic watery summer avocado
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on February 11, 2013, 02:17:49 AM
Leooel, they do taste somewhat similar to muscadine grapes, but much bigger in size. If you can't get any satisfaction, then you have to do like Mick Jagger: keep on trying! Jaboticabas when they do start fruiting will reward you very handsomely. In fact you probably won't be able to eat them all. You will have to force yourself to eat them all....like Adam is doing right now.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: LEOOEL on February 13, 2013, 02:15:36 AM
Oscar, Zands, you guys are a treasure trove of info.
I'm back on good terms with my Muscadine Grapes, now that I'm gonna stop eating the skin.  ;D
Since now I know that jabos. are much larger that Muscadines, and bear in different seasons, I can't wait to try, try, try.
You guys have definitely turned me into a Jaboticabaholic Anonymous wanna be. Many thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on February 13, 2013, 03:48:49 AM
Thought i'd throw out this candy.  ;) This is my jaboticabe tree fruiting last summer: (http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/JaboticasOnTree.jpg)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on February 13, 2013, 06:50:10 AM
Hi Oscar,
Your Jab tree looks awesome...this fruit is top notch and my favorite :) When i have quite a bunch of fruit, i like to put them in the fridge and chill them a bit...very refreshing on a hot summer's day 8)

Hi Adam,
I was meaning to ask you, buddy...what's ya favorite and must have at all times, jab sp.?  ???
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on February 13, 2013, 07:13:52 AM
Here's some of my favorite Jab vids :) Enjoy Jaboticabaholics ;D

Jabuticabas de Goiás - Hidrolândia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdGtpkDRUTI#)

Jaboticaba Fruit Tree DaleysFruit.com.au (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5LtRFLBgJY#)

A Jabuticaba - Neisa Pantera.flv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H90VZAypbTM#)
 ;D ;D ;D

JABOTICABA FLORES E FRUTOS fruit por Zenaido ARCOS MG BRASZIL.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQUu7_S-DUA#ws)

Savory Small Fruit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9cZzleYbII#)

Festival da Jabuticaba de Sabará 2007 :: Parte 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-pmDOrHfDw#ws)

Festival da Jabuticaba de Sabará 2007 :: Parte 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmbqV8TakOQ#ws)

PUC ACONTECE | JABUTICABA NA PUC GOIÁS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx3TSo7by9U#)

JABUTICABA 12-10-2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfh1j56sfIw#)

JABUTICABA - SABOR BRASILEIRO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pX2vMJobpk#)

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 13, 2013, 10:02:45 AM
Steven!

thanks for sharing all of these jabo videos!

I will have to watch them soon.

to answer your question....which is my favorite jabo...

I like the trunciflora for being so big, thin skinned, delicious, and rare (hard to find fruiting in FL)

but the red jaboticaba is an easy choice for a favorite....the tree is so small, fruits so much, and the fruits are versatile....u can have them early green sour, or late wine red, and very sweet.

but then again...the grimal makes a large uniquely delicious fruit, with thick (almost inedible) skin, but with small seeds, and lots of thick, nicely textured pulp.

I guess I'd say the red...but if I only had the red...Id want trunciflora or grimal!

this is a hard question!!!

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on February 13, 2013, 03:15:44 PM
Hi again,
You're most welcome, buddy :) Sit back and relax...you  and other fellow members are going to enjoy the vids very much(hopefully) :) I wish there was a huge plantation here, like in Brazil, were we can gorge ourselves with them jabs, must be fantastic experience to be amongst these huge trees 8)

 From the versatile red jab, to the large, thin-skinned rare jab and then to the large, thick-skinned delish textured Jab 8) All 3 species definitely sound trés yummy ;D Grimal with the thick skin, must pop nicely 8)

Thanks for sharing your favorite jab :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: LEOOEL on February 14, 2013, 02:15:40 AM
Oscar, thanks for the beautiful, amazing picture. I'm in a trance.  ;D Congrats.

Steven, thanks for the videos. I plan to watch them this weekend. I just gotta make sure I have the popcorn ready.  ;D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 14, 2013, 02:49:15 PM
here is some fruit for that monkey on your back...he needs to eat too, and his favorite food is jaboticaba
 
White, green, and Purple, (I love to see the 3 colors together), means the fruits almost never stop ripening. (approx, 30 days from flower to fruit)


red jabber T. cabberz
(http://s17.postimage.org/965y3voez/2_14_13_012.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/965y3voez/)

(http://s7.postimage.org/mqoqbpfzr/2_14_13_011.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/mqoqbpfzr/)

(http://s7.postimage.org/bqbypnh9z/2_14_13_010.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bqbypnh9z/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on February 14, 2013, 03:51:24 PM
Hi Leooel,
You're most welcome, buddy ;D enjoy them vids and the popcorn :-)

Hi Adam,
With all these white flowers...your tree looks like cotton candy  ::) ;D Absolutely gorgeous 8)
Thanks for sharing, Amigo :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on February 14, 2013, 06:00:15 PM
Looks like it's snowing in Winter Park, looks like snow crystals. Nice!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 14, 2013, 06:13:37 PM
Thanks guys!

these pics are from last year btw!

this year I've got lots of blooms and fruits coming!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on February 14, 2013, 10:17:03 PM
Steven, thanks for post links to all those amazing video very cool. Adam nice pic's in the flowering stage, beautiful.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on February 15, 2013, 08:15:57 AM
I saw all the videos: super great!

I puted one of my 3 little jabos in full sun today (we are in the middle of a dry hot summer) just to compare its grow rate with the other ones that has only sun from 12 to 16hs (they are below a lemon tree). All of them are sprouting new leaves.

Do you think it would be better to give them sun from the morning and not from the noon?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 15, 2013, 08:36:19 AM
Huertasurbanas,

give them full sun!!!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on February 15, 2013, 08:42:31 AM
Steven, thanks for post links to all those amazing video very cool. Adam nice pic's in the flowering stage, beautiful.

Hi Scott,
You're most welcome :)

Hola Huertas,
Hold onto your seat belt...I'm going to hunt for more vids ;D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on February 15, 2013, 04:06:38 PM
Steven, thanks for post links to all those amazing video very cool. Adam nice pic's in the flowering stage, beautiful.

Hi Scott,
You're most welcome :)

Hola Huertas,
Hold onto your seat belt...I'm going to hunt for more vids ;D

Stephen, thanks for your video hunts. I think it would be helpful if you could organize them by language, or just say which ones are in English. Obrigado.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 15, 2013, 06:39:26 PM
The Myrciaria vexator (blue jaboticabas) are starting to ripen...the flowered approx 9-23-12...so it's taking about 5 months for them to ripen!  They take for ever!!!  and they stay fresh on the tree for a long time...unlike many other species I grow...these take a while to show up, but stick around for a while...The tree is almost everbearing...producing fruits from about April-Jan
(http://s9.postimage.org/lzjvjyjiz/2_15_13_008.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/lzjvjyjiz/)

(http://s7.postimage.org/94vlknu53/2_15_13_007.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/94vlknu53/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: LEOOEL on February 16, 2013, 02:44:55 AM
The Myrciaria vexator (blue jaboticabas) are starting to ripen...the flowered approx 9-23-12...so it's taking about 5 months for them to ripen!  They take for ever!!!  and they stay fresh on the tree for a long time...unlike many other species I grow...these take a while to show up, but stick around for a while...The tree is almost everbearing...producing fruits from about April-Jan
([url]http://s9.postimage.org/lzjvjyjiz/2_15_13_008.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/lzjvjyjiz/[/url])

([url]http://s7.postimage.org/94vlknu53/2_15_13_007.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/94vlknu53/[/url])


Almost everbearing, that's impressive. For someone who's looking for just one (1) jaboticaba grafted cultivar, how would you describe the taste (common, average, good, excellent?) and the fruit size (small, average, large, very large?).
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 16, 2013, 09:56:28 AM
taste to me like jaboticaba / rollinia...very nice, and unique...not like typical jaboticaba.

fruits are large, thick skinned with large seed.

if u don't fertilize them and forget water the hell out of them, the fruits will be small, with scant pulp, and large seeds.

the skin is so thick and tannic, it isn't wise to go chomping through it (like typical jabos) it will have a suriname cherry tasting resin, that some dislike....I have come to enjoy the taste of the oils in the skin...but those who wish to avoid it, can simply precut the fruits in half before eating, and suck out the pulp, without getting much of the tannic oils in the skin.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on February 16, 2013, 02:24:50 PM
Steven, thanks for post links to all those amazing video very cool. Adam nice pic's in the flowering stage, beautiful.

Hi Scott,
You're most welcome :)

Hola Huertas,
Hold onto your seat belt...I'm going to hunt for more vids ;D

Stephen, thanks for your video hunts. I think it would be helpful if you could organize them by language, or just say which ones are in English. Obrigado.

Howdy Oscar,
 :) Sure, I can do that :) There isn't alot of English vids on Jabuticaba...there is more Brazilian Portuguese videos..I will try to find more English one ;) De nada, Amigo :)


Hi Adam,
Your blue Vex, with fruit, looks great 8) I got to say, they are my favorite jab, love the tree's shape, leaves...everything ;D 8) I don't know why they aren't as popular as them jabs :-\
Thanks for sharing :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 16, 2013, 02:34:15 PM
Jackfruitwhisperer,

thanks!!!

i think they're not as popular because of the thick tannic skin, high water requirement...and slight cold sensitivity. 

They can be killed in the cold, where Sabara will laugh!

the good thing about vexator is, they bear early from seed about 5yrs, and they can be kept relatively small (less than 10ft)

They are a must have in my opinion...a very ornamental, unique flavored jaboticaba...that has a very long fruiting season!  It's much more resistant to pests like fruit flies and birds...due to it's thick skin.

Also the fruit hangs on the tree forever!  Once they ripen you don't have to pick them all at once (like most jabos)....this adds to the longevity of the fruiting season!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on February 16, 2013, 04:39:18 PM
Adam,
I love a fruit with a kick ;D From what i see on the net...people prefer to cultivate this tree as an ornamental tree, than for fruit...maybe, they aren't aware they are edible :-\

5 years is not very long time to wait for them fruit, and they are great tree for growing in them pots...like you do 'em buddy 8) I can't freak'n wait for them to produce ;D

Thanks a bunch for sharing more info about the tree...I luv to learn all the facts about them trees :) The net lacks info on this tree :o   
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on February 16, 2013, 04:43:46 PM
Jackfruitwhisperer,

thanks!!!

i think they're not as popular because of the thick tannic skin, high water requirement...and slight cold sensitivity. 

They can be killed in the cold, where Sabara will laugh!

the good thing about vexator is, they bear early from seed about 5yrs, and they can be kept relatively small (less than 10ft)

They are a must have in my opinion...a very ornamental, unique flavored jaboticaba...that has a very long fruiting season!  It's much more resistant to pests like fruit flies and birds...due to it's thick skin.

Also the fruit hangs on the tree forever!  Once they ripen you don't have to pick them all at once (like most jabos)....this adds to the longevity of the fruiting season!

Vexators (blue grape) is almost completely unknown here, and we got no cold and plenty of rain.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 16, 2013, 08:04:51 PM
Oscar!

I can't believe they aren't fruiting all over in Hawaii !!

It will love your climate!  I believe it's tolerant somewhat to coastal locations...and it's very resistant to rust...and high temps....probably resistant to wind as well...more so than most jaboticabas.




Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 16, 2013, 08:21:04 PM
Here is one of my 7 gal fruiting Grimals...it decided to fruit way down low on the trunk, in about 50% shade...I'm pleased with how short the trees are!! 
(http://s9.postimage.org/fntt3a1dn/2_15_13_012.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/fntt3a1dn/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on February 16, 2013, 10:16:40 PM
Oscar!

I can't believe they aren't fruiting all over in Hawaii !!

It will love your climate!  I believe it's tolerant somewhat to coastal locations...and it's very resistant to rust...and high temps....probably resistant to wind as well...more so than most jaboticabas.

I bought some vexator plants from Frankies a few years ago, but they never did well. I think the plants were too pot bound when i bought them. So i need to start from scratch.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: LEOOEL on February 17, 2013, 03:03:52 PM
taste to me like jaboticaba / rollinia...very nice, and unique...not like typical jaboticaba.

fruits are large, thick skinned with large seed.

if u don't fertilize them and forget water the hell out of them, the fruits will be small, with scant pulp, and large seeds.

the skin is so thick and tannic, it isn't wise to go chomping through it (like typical jabos) it will have a suriname cherry tasting resin, that some dislike....I have come to enjoy the taste of the oils in the skin...but those who wish to avoid it, can simply precut the fruits in half before eating, and suck out the pulp, without getting much of the tannic oils in the skin.

Thanks for that great description. It looks like you have one fine fruit tree there.

Because I've very limited sun-space to plant trees, due to the landscaping method I'm using, I've decided to purchase a grafted jaboticaba fruit tree of the variety that's black-and-large. And, is known for producing fruit at least twice a year.  I am so glad and surprised that I've found it.  :) Now I just have to allocate the funds to purchase it. The government and economy, here and the world's, seem to have gone childish-stupid-crazy. Sorry, I digreess, couldn't help it. But, I'm mad, mad, mad about it and can't take it anymore!!!  >:(   ;D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on February 18, 2013, 08:53:43 AM
Huertasurbanas,

give them full sun!!!

ok, I did it

yes my lord!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: LEOOEL on February 19, 2013, 02:56:42 AM
Hi Leooel,
You're most welcome, buddy ;D enjoy them vids and the popcorn :-)

Hi Adam,
With all these white flowers...your tree looks like cotton candy  ::) ;D Absolutely gorgeous 8)
Thanks for sharing, Amigo :)

Steven, great jaboticaba videos, I really enjoyed them. I saw them over the weekend (while eating pop-corn, really). Although some of the vids. were in Portuguese, I was able to follow most of what they were saying, because Portuguese is similar to Spanish, lucky me.

They really have a jaboticaba industry over there in Brazil. And, it's nice to see how, pretty much, all the people are happy in jaboticaba season. The feeling seems contageous, in a good way of course.

I noticed that just about the time the trees are due to flower, they give the trees "streams of water," incredible. I guess it's true what they say, that jaboticaba fruit trees do benefit from a lot of water.

Thanks for the jaboticaba education, I'm definitely on my way to be a jaboticabaholic anonymous jaboticabaholic.  ;D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on February 20, 2013, 10:53:35 AM
Howdy Leo,
Happy you enjoyed them vids :) Brazilians sure love to twist and tango around the Jabuticaba tree, and they treasure the tree very much 8) The fazenda Jabuticabal is the biggest plantation of Jabuticaba in the World...they have 37.000 trees, that are producing :o 8) The owner says if you get eat one fruit of each tree...you can have the plantation for free ;D

Here's more vids 8)

Brazilian Portuguese ;)

Colheita de Jabuticaba em Roraima (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SguWAz8HDMM#)

TV Brasil Central_Vinho da Jabuticaba da pesquisa à produção (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6-nWU4_Lf0#)

Fazenda Jabuticabal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLtHn5S735Y#)

Jaboticaba em Goiás (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db7ukLnfbZ4#)

English ;)
Jaboticaba an Exotic Tropical Fruit that grows on the tree trunk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCpG5ZkLp5Y#)

Jaboticaba fruit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8-JmO5Mu-U#)

Harvest from Seedling Jaboticaba (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaG8UhqJHSQ#)

Picking Star Fruit and Jaboticaba in Maui Hawaii (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZbKvtOW7n0#)

Looks like Grimal or Fuzzy Jaboticaba 8)
Large-leaved Jaboticaba (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlds9ur3TrA#ws)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on February 20, 2013, 04:50:22 PM
hi, I went mad an did this:

http://www.huertasurbanas.com/2013/02/20/clima-comparacion-entre-junin-bs-as-arg-y-sabara-bh-brasil/ (http://www.huertasurbanas.com/2013/02/20/clima-comparacion-entre-junin-bs-as-arg-y-sabara-bh-brasil/)

you will love it

(sorry, it is in spanish but you can auto-translate using google or any other tool)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on February 20, 2013, 05:11:04 PM
Looks like you are trying to put Junin on the map...elevating Junin to world importance? ;)  The thing in your favor is that jaboticaba is an adaptable plant: doesn't have to have exact same climate to grow and fruit as where it originated. The other thing going for you is that there are a lot of different jaboticabas that have acclimitized to different parts of Brazil. I'm sure you can find some that will be happy in Junin. They might just need a bit of protection during your very coldest winters. They will be happy with your hotter summers.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on February 20, 2013, 07:47:32 PM
Thanks Oscar, I was wondering: it would be interesting for this addict group to find jaboticabas in google street view!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 24, 2013, 04:31:31 PM
I've been eating fruits from the Myrciaria vexator trees (blue jaboticaba), and notice that although they appear to have reached full coloration, and peak ripeness. they are still not ready...after about 8 days...fully purple...still not ripe!

They need to have a definite rubbery give when squeezed, to be considered ready, and after turning fully purple, it can take almost 2 weeks to reach this stage.

I've let a few people taste the fruits, because they saw them on the trees...and begged to eat them...I warned them that they weren't ripe yet, but based upon the fruit appearance they insisted...and the result was a disappointment to the eager consumers.  It's something like eating a sapodilla too early...the taste is horribly tart, tannic, and astringent.

When they are ready, the texture is divine, the flavor is outstanding...the fruits are quite large, but so is the seed, and the skin is thick, and tannic (its best to avoid biting right into the fruits, so use a knife to cut them in half, then consume).

This tree is one of my favorites, but you must understand the tree to enjoy the fruits.  The same is even true for the common Sabara (M. jaboticaba)...many people eat them too early, never getting a chance to enjoy the true delicious sweet flavor, and silky smooth texture of a properly ripened jabuticaba.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on February 24, 2013, 06:12:13 PM
Yeah, here too some people pick and sell the jaboticabas way too early and then complain that they are not sweet.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 25, 2013, 12:32:40 AM
On May 2nd 1976, where were you?

This photo had the words, "Phil Dorn Nursery, (Jaboticaba)" written on the back.  I believe it was a photo from the Miami Herald, bringing attention to jaboticaba, and Phil's nursery.

I love the old pics.

(http://s14.postimage.org/o60gbxwp9/oldjabophoto.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/o60gbxwp9/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 26, 2013, 05:01:50 PM
some sizeables!

I had to pickem early..the rats are voracious.  Thank goodness they leave the seeds behind!

If this was a red jaboticaba, they would have devoured all of the fruits by now, but the blue jaboticaba has a much higher resistance to animal attacks, by virtue of it's thick tannic skin.

(http://s24.postimage.org/r8ir2otm9/photo_11.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/r8ir2otm9/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 26, 2013, 07:08:05 PM
collect the whole set!

each one has it's own super power!

the medicinal values of each species are unique.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0968089612003872 (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0968089612003872)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on February 26, 2013, 07:16:25 PM
I like that you call the vexator blue jaboticaba, instead of the usual blue grape, which i find very confusing.
I wonder what is in the seeds that keep rats from eating it?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 26, 2013, 07:22:17 PM
I like that you call the vexator blue jaboticaba, instead of the usual blue grape, which i find very confusing.
I wonder what is in the seeds that keep rats from eating it?

thanks Oscar!

you and ejardim have encouraged the name change!  I'm protesting the name blue grape in your honor.

I know the seeds taste horrible and have a toxin inside of them....the only reason they gnaw through the skin, is to access the succulent flesh of the fruit. 

On the red jabo, they take the Fruits and chew up the skins into little bits...the blue jabo the skins are still whole, with a small portion exposed by the rat.

they never hurt the seeds!! the seeds are nasty tannic...not good to eat.  Worse than any jabo skin!

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on February 26, 2013, 09:37:37 PM
collect the whole set!

each one has it's own super power!

the medicinal values of each species are unique.

[url]http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0968089612003872[/url] ([url]http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0968089612003872[/url])


more very interesting stuff

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3040238/table/T1/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3040238/table/T1/)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3040238/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3040238/)

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: rcardaman on February 27, 2013, 10:53:45 PM



This is how it starts.  Adam sends you some seeds.  You innocently plant them, and they germinate into these cute little seedlings.  Then you're HOOKED!!!

All thanks to Adam, the johnny Appleseed of Jaboticabas.

 ;)

Richard

(http://s2.postimage.org/7bqz7p1o5/IMG_20130227_154542.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/7bqz7p1o5/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 28, 2013, 12:22:03 AM
Nice!!!

that was quick germination!

those have taken me over 4 months to germinate before!! 

thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 04, 2013, 10:42:30 PM
Translate this from Portuguese...you'll find out that some fruits in the family Menispermaceae are also called Jabuticaba (Jabuticaba de cipo) http://www.arvores.brasil.nom.br/lianas/jabuticacipo/index.htm (http://www.arvores.brasil.nom.br/lianas/jabuticacipo/index.htm)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on March 05, 2013, 01:17:30 AM
Never heard of that one. Common names are usually confusing, but Brazilian common names seem to be especially extra confusing as they always seem to have minimum 3-5 fruits with the same common name.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 05, 2013, 03:44:57 PM
Ok Oscar,

That last plant is real neat...but this next plant is for the totally deranged...jabo-loving deviants...

latin name, Mouriri pusa...commonly called, Mandapuça

these pics are so nasty...they can't be uploaded here on the page...just click the links for a show you won't soon forget....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cerrados/4158954404/#in/photostream/lightbox/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cerrados/4158954404/#in/photostream/lightbox/)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/andre_cardoso/5491954691/#lightbox/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/andre_cardoso/5491954691/#lightbox/)

http://www.kew.org/science/tropamerica/imagedatabase/large1/cat_single1-2768.htm (http://www.kew.org/science/tropamerica/imagedatabase/large1/cat_single1-2768.htm)

http://www.kew.org/science/tropamerica/imagedatabase/large1/cat_single1-2767.htm (http://www.kew.org/science/tropamerica/imagedatabase/large1/cat_single1-2767.htm)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Mandapu%C3%A7a2.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Mandapu%C3%A7a2.jpg)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Mandapu%C3%A7a3.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Mandapu%C3%A7a3.jpg)

I'm probably going to start a thread for this fruit.  I think it's probably a slow grower...(not sure), and can fruit in a pot....but might have a touch of the "Cerrado curse".  I'd love to find out.  :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on March 05, 2013, 04:09:14 PM
Had Mouriri pusa at some point. Don't recall what happened to it? Vague memory now, but as i recall it didn't have the cerrado curse, but was a slow grower. Photos you posted are neat looking alright!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 08, 2013, 05:19:59 PM
some trees are just plain ugly, but I grow them regardless. 
(http://s17.postimage.org/vig740ciz/3_8_13_019.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/vig740ciz/)

(http://s15.postimage.org/zd48nczlz/3_8_13_020.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/zd48nczlz/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 08, 2013, 07:56:37 PM
an updated photo of a Grimal seedling that decided to fruit...in a 7 gal, only about half full of soil!  It's one of those plants where I don't feel comfortable, unless I have 10 fruiting specimens.  I think this one would smash sabara in a taste test.

(http://s23.postimage.org/fbjwuwn13/3_8_13_010.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/fbjwuwn13/)

(http://s17.postimage.org/3nnw28myj/3_8_13_011.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3nnw28myj/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 15, 2013, 06:29:08 PM
so...jaboticaba doesn't make a taproot huh?

I have some Red's that I dug up from a planter I have at my house (like the equivalent of a 2ft deep pot).  The roots were allowed to grow, like they should.  The tree is only about one year old, and has out grown older seedlings that were raised in plugs.  This is one of the secrets to making your tree fruit in 3 years, rather than 5.  Also, this seedling has always been in the shade, receiving lots of indirect sunlight.
 

(http://s7.postimage.org/62bhzqsfb/3_15_13_002_jabotap.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/62bhzqsfb/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 17, 2013, 03:56:19 PM
The Blue Jaboticaba trees (in 25 gal pots) were not watered quite enough.  I missed the chance to water them during critical dry periods, and should have put them in a dish (kiddie pool) as I've done in the past...I really think this tree benefits from sitting in the water for short periods, especially while fruit is on the tree...you simply can't water them enough.

It just takes the right grower, with the right attitude, and these can really make some large delicious fruits.  Here is the largest one my tree has made so far, although it had an unusually high amount of seeds, the fruit still offered enough edible portion to satisfy me.   The texture and taste is so much different than any other Myrciaria I can think of...I always am reminded of rollinia pulp, mixed with jaboticaba pulp (surrounded by a key lime / pitanga, tasting skin, at first I detested this flavor aspect, but learned to enjoy in moderation....and how to avoid it almost entirely, using a knife to cut the fruits in half, prior to consumption)

 I will be sure to post when I've got some larger ones.  I know I can get them even bigger.


(http://s23.postimage.org/lpbiwrkt3/3_18_13_002.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/lpbiwrkt3/)

(http://s23.postimage.org/nvf0ir313/3_18_13_003.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/nvf0ir313/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on March 18, 2013, 01:58:06 AM
Lot bigger than i thought! Is that the average size or did you pick the very largest fruit to photo? Thanks for posting. Keep em coming.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 18, 2013, 10:06:46 AM
Lot bigger than i thought! Is that the average size or did you pick the very largest fruit to photo? Thanks for posting. Keep em coming.


It was one of the largest fruits I had.  I will produce an even bigger one soon!
the trees still have some fruits that are green...One thing I'm really starting to love about M. vexator is the long season, and durable fruits.  The longer they sit on the tree (up until a certain point of course) the better they taste (the  skin gets thinner, less tannic, and the pulp becomes sweeter).

I will keep em coming! keep an eye out for me!
(http://s8.postimage.org/8sf1djpi9/eyeout.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/8sf1djpi9/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on March 18, 2013, 06:33:50 PM
HAHA, you should do same photo using your largest vexators for eye balls. Interesting that this is one of the few myrciarias that doesn't originate in Brazil, but Venezuela. Maybe that is why it is so different?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 18, 2013, 07:07:10 PM
I thought they're indigenous to the Osa Peninsula of Costa Rica.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on March 18, 2013, 10:12:20 PM
I thought they're indigenous to the Osa Peninsula of Costa Rica.


Panama, CR, Venezuela, and Ecuador.

http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-94-007-2534-8_87#page-1 (http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-94-007-2534-8_87#page-1)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 18, 2013, 10:37:12 PM
hey thanks for the info Oscar..  I wonder how many varieties there are!!!  I can almost guarantee there is an amazing variety out there!!!  I've noticed a good amount of seedling variation....as far as foliage size, speed of growth, and fruit size/ quality.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on March 18, 2013, 10:44:53 PM
hey thanks for the info Oscar..  I wonder how many varieties there are!!!  I can almost guarantee there is an amazing variety out there!!!  I've noticed a good amount of seedling variation....as far as foliage size, speed of growth, and fruit size/ quality.

Because area of distribution is so big i would think you are right and there probably is quite a bit of variation. If you look up USDA records you can see where original experimental station material was sourced. I'm guessing from just one country.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: jc on March 20, 2013, 09:08:08 PM
Now I know I don't qualify for membership, however any advice from the membership is appreciated.

Got this beautiful red jabo that I want to plant out but I have a Q or 2 first.

1. Are the roots destructive and do they spread past the drip line?
2. How old is this tree (approximately) 1, 2, +?
3. How well do they fruit in pots vs in ground? 

(http://s17.postimage.org/3khylkvqj/image.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3khylkvqj/)

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on March 20, 2013, 10:55:00 PM
Now I know I don't qualify for membership, however any advice from the membership is appreciated.

Got this beautiful red jabo that I want to plant out but I have a Q or 2 first.

1. Are the roots destructive and do they spread past the drip line?
2. How old is this tree (approximately) 1, 2, +?
3. How well do they fruit in pots vs in ground? 

([url]http://s17.postimage.org/3khylkvqj/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/3khylkvqj/[/url])


1. No
2. 3 years old
3. If you have good soil put it in the ground. If your soil is just a bag of limestone follow Adam's advice and grow it in a pot.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: jc on March 21, 2013, 06:29:01 AM
Now I know I don't qualify for membership, however any advice from the membership is appreciated.

Got this beautiful red jabo that I want to plant out but I have a Q or 2 first.

1. Are the roots destructive and do they spread past the drip line?
2. How old is this tree (approximately) 1, 2, +?
3. How well do they fruit in pots vs in ground? 

([url]http://s17.postimage.org/3khylkvqj/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/3khylkvqj/[/url])


1. No
2. 3 years old
3. If you have good soil put it in the ground. If your soil is just a bag of limestone follow Adam's advice and grow it in a pot.


Sweet!  Sounds like its going in the ground.  My "soil" is light sand.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 22, 2013, 11:08:15 PM
Nice tree JC!!

U r close to fruition...but putting the tree in the ground might slow it down.  The tree will focus lots of energy on the roots.  It's not a bad thing though...you'll have more fruits in the long run.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: jc on March 23, 2013, 05:36:07 AM
Thank you. Definitely going to plant it out, just have to clear the right spot.

Nice tree JC!!

U r close to fruition...but putting the tree in the ground might slow it down.  The tree will focus lots of energy on the roots.  It's not a bad thing though...you'll have more fruits in the long run.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: jc on March 23, 2013, 11:15:49 AM
Anybody see any issues/problems with planting this red jabo in this space?  Is the space too tight?  I'll run irrigation to it and it will get about 6 hours of sun in the winter and 8+ in the summer.



(http://s15.postimg.cc/opbz4porb/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/opbz4porb/)

(http://s23.postimg.cc/8l26y1mk7/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/8l26y1mk7/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 23, 2013, 12:43:06 PM
Looks real nice.

Just be sure to water it frequently, and to fertilize it regularly.  Don't over do it on the fertilizer....it's really easy to kill a tree (especially with the synthetic fertilizers)

Pine Island uses a slow release fertilizer...and if u take one of their plants, and soak it in a dish..the coating on the fertilizer dissolves, leading to flash burn....which will kill your tree!

I've had several red jaboticabas die this way from PIN.  This is why I don't like to use this type of fertilizer with jaboticabas...I like organic stuff instead.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: jc on March 23, 2013, 01:08:45 PM
Thanks Adam. That's real good to know.

I've been using the Excalibur 8-3-9 w micros mix + 0-0-22+magnesium and a foliar routine on everything else on a monthly basis. I keep it light, but regular. The mangos and avos and others seem fine.

 I'll have to watch the red jabo closely. I've hit it with a 20-20-20 + 0-0-26 foliar mix and a chelated micro nutrient foliar, but no granular fert yet.  No issues so far with the foliars, it's got a good flush going now.

I'll plant it today, but wait until next month's granular fert day to test the Excalibur mix, lightly! 

This tree looks great right now, I'd hate to hurt it.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: jc on March 23, 2013, 01:49:50 PM
Done!

(http://s14.postimg.cc/4878rdc25/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4878rdc25/)

(http://s7.postimg.cc/g7tv78oyf/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/g7tv78oyf/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Dangermouse01 on March 23, 2013, 02:28:32 PM
I have a question about keeping a jobo in a pot.
The yellow tub in the picture is about 20" inside diameter x 18" deep (tag calls it 23 gal). In the picture it has potatoes growing in it, I drilled a couple (4) holes, 1.25 inch diameter in the bottom for drainage.
 If the jobo likes water, if I used the same style of tub, but instead of drilling holes in the bottom if I drilled holes in the side about 3-4 inches up from the bottom. Then if watered till water came out the side holes, it would basically be like sitting in a tray with water (or Adam's kiddie pool).
Would that plan work or would that be keeping it to wet?

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Misc/PP-401-31-13_zps719056a7.jpg)

Thanks.
DM
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 23, 2013, 02:41:12 PM
Yep,

I've seen this method work well, but be careful...U can rot the roots eventually.

The dynamics are a bit different when u have a kiddy pool (or a dish)....it's a safer bet in my opinion, because it allows for the roots in the pot to have better access to air.

I have a question about keeping a jobo in a pot.
The yellow tub in the picture is about 20" inside diameter x 18" deep (tag calls it 23 gal). In the picture it has potatoes growing in it, I drilled a couple (4) holes, 1.25 inch diameter in the bottom for drainage.
 If the jobo likes water, if I used the same style of tub, but instead of drilling holes in the bottom if I drilled holes in the side about 3-4 inches up from the bottom. Then if watered till water came out the side holes, it would basically be like sitting in a tray with water (or Adam's kiddie pool).
Would that plan work or would that be keeping it to wet?

([url]http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Misc/PP-401-31-13_zps719056a7.jpg[/url])

Thanks.
DM
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Pan Dulce on March 23, 2013, 08:15:25 PM
I might be an addict. So I'll be looking for a mentor to keep me in trouble.

Got a Q for you Jabo Masters, can 1 year old seedlings handle full sun or do they grow better in a more shaded environment until they get to a certain age?  Right now mine get morning sun and afternoon shade living under eave of the east facing side of my house.  Just wondering how they will handle the summer sun vs. the winter sun.  Would like to get some tips on speeding them up. 

Hey Adam, I got a couple Vexator seedlings off you last spring, they are super slow growers, does the same apply to them?

 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 23, 2013, 08:26:29 PM
for most species it's best to start them out in some shade for the first year at least...but most will tolerate full sun, if watered enough.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: harveyc on March 25, 2013, 05:48:03 PM
Mostly lurk here, don't usually have much to post.  My jaboticaba entered winter with what I'd estimated to be hundreds of flower buds and many of those died from cold weather (about 30 or so nights with frost with a low of 27F).  However, I have many flower buds this spring and my first flowers opened today.  This tree was purchased around June 2009 (Ong Nursery, San Diego) and was already about 7' tall at the time.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 25, 2013, 06:21:42 PM
luckily the rat pack hasn't been performing lately in the greenhouse, as a result some Blues and Reds made it through.  I had to pick some early, just to be safe...and the reds were not watered enough...so the fruits came out medium/small.  If you water them enough, they get quite large.  About the same size as the largest blue jabo in this picture.
(http://s13.postimg.cc/qbz4gj3f7/3_25_13_005.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qbz4gj3f7/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: nullzero on March 25, 2013, 06:28:21 PM
luckily the rat pack hasn't been performing lately in the greenhouse, as a result some Blues and Reds made it through.  I had to pick some early, just to be safe...and the reds were not watered enough...so the fruits came out medium/small.  If you water them enough, they get quite large.  About the same size as the largest blue jabo in this picture.
([url]http://s13.postimg.cc/qbz4gj3f7/3_25_13_005.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/qbz4gj3f7/[/url])


Nice looking tasty fruit.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 25, 2013, 06:54:49 PM
Nullzy,

I can't believe I forgot to give u some reds to taste!  I will make sure u get some ASAP!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jack, Nipomo on March 25, 2013, 07:24:15 PM
Hey Harvey...will this be your first crop on the jaboticaba?  I remember when you got the tree.  My jaboticaba is just now poking out buds, but certainly not hundreds of them.  I do get a crop yearly, usually quite large fruits, but not large numbers. 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: harveyc on March 25, 2013, 08:24:54 PM
Hi Jack, thanks for talking me into getting the "big one" at Ong's! :)

I believe I picked about 4 fruits in 2011 and maybe 30-35 in 2012.  This is really looking to be a "big" year.  I should take a better photo but this photo shows the flowers/buds pretty well, just taken this afternoon.  I don't believe "hundreds" is an exaggeration.

(http://s12.postimg.cc/xvu6gjul5/Jaboticaba20130325.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/xvu6gjul5/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: eNorm on March 25, 2013, 10:50:49 PM
Welcome and congratulations Harvey!  It looks much bigger than the last picture I saw of it in 2011.  I've yet to get a single flower on any of mine :(.

Norm
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 25, 2013, 11:06:30 PM
Harvey,

nice tree!  Is it a sabara or paulista?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: harveyc on March 26, 2013, 12:13:38 AM
Thanks Norm and Adam.  Adam, you're reached my point of competence as far as jaboticaba goes.  It's the "normal" one with purple fruit.  I'll attach some other older photos from last November.
(http://s22.postimg.cc/qpdc8tmsd/2012_11_24_16_30_53.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qpdc8tmsd/)

(http://s18.postimg.cc/g0otwy1b9/2012_11_10_14_49_19.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/g0otwy1b9/)

Some background on this tree: Planted in the ground in June 2009, I don't think it put out a single new leaf for maybe three years.  I had watered it regularly, fertilized it, given it some chelated iron, to no avail.  Around June 2012 I mentioned to my farm supplier salesman (also a distant cousin) about the suspected iron chlorosis in my Gold Nugget mandarin he strongly suggested that I try a product called PhotoGreen (-S for soil version) which has iron, manganese, and sulfur.  It gave a very quick response on the Gold Nugget so I gave the jaboticaba (and a pitanga) a couple of ounces of the product (about $60 for 2.5 gallons).  In seven days my jaboticaba had about twice as many leaves (and the pitanga, which had not flowered for two years, had over 100 flowers in the same 7 day time period).  Pretty remarkable, I think.  My tree is still somewhat sparse but has grown a little and filled out some and I continue to treat it periodically.  The tree had flowered some in 2011 and given me just about four fruits so I don't think that the PhotoGreen necessarily induced the flowering but it sure made a big difference in the overall health of the tree.  My soil pH is about 7.3 (ranges from 7.1 through 7.4 in this area of my farm) so iron is less available but the pH isn't what I'd consider extreme.  I did just treat it again about 10 days ago and it's putting out more leaves but I think that's partly due to the warmer spring-like weather.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 26, 2013, 12:45:20 AM
It might be a true M. cauliflora, (cultivar: Paulista)....instead of the more common M. jaboticaba (cv: Sabara).  I've seen some floating around CA.

I can't tell from the photos, but maybe some better pics of the foliage would help.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: harveyc on March 26, 2013, 12:58:13 AM
It's too dark to take more phtoos right now but attached is a photo from 4/29/2012 that shows the foliage pretty well.
(http://s3.postimg.cc/sq347ok27/Jaboticaba20120429b.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/sq347ok27/)

I don't recall if Quang Ong said specifically, but I know a lot of his nursery stock in the past has come from Pine Island Nursery.  Maybe Jack remembers.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 26, 2013, 01:00:03 AM
ok! thanks!  Judging by the photo it looks like an M. jaboticaba Sabara.

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: harveyc on March 26, 2013, 01:20:32 AM
Thanks, Adam. Can you tell me if that's a less desirable selection?  Is there a summary of the different jaboticaba here somewhere?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on March 26, 2013, 03:11:27 AM
luckily the rat pack hasn't been performing lately in the greenhouse, as a result some Blues and Reds made it through.  I had to pick some early, just to be safe...and the reds were not watered enough...so the fruits came out medium/small.  If you water them enough, they get quite large.  About the same size as the largest blue jabo in this picture.

Really neat shot Adam! It's great to see the blues side by side with the reds. Thanks for posting it.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on March 26, 2013, 03:16:09 AM
Neat shot Adam! It's really nice to see the blues side by side with the reds. Thanks for posting it!
About the rats, i suggest getting a good mouser cat. Our kitty is not very affectionate, but we put up with her as she is the best mouser in the world. She knows she does a great job, earns her keep, so gets our respect!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: marklee on March 26, 2013, 06:38:20 AM
Thanks Norm and Adam.  Adam, you're reached my point of competence as far as jaboticaba goes.  It's the "normal" one with purple fruit.  I'll attach some other older photos from last November.
([url]http://s22.postimg.cc/qpdc8tmsd/2012_11_24_16_30_53.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/qpdc8tmsd/[/url])

([url]http://s18.postimg.cc/g0otwy1b9/2012_11_10_14_49_19.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/g0otwy1b9/[/url])

Some background on this tree: Planted in the ground in June 2009, I don't think it put out a single new leaf for maybe three years.  I had watered it regularly, fertilized it, given it some chelated iron, to no avail.  Around June 2012 I mentioned to my farm supplier salesman (also a distant cousin) about the suspected iron chlorosis in my Gold Nugget mandarin he strongly suggested that I try a product called PhotoGreen (-S for soil version) which has iron, manganese, and sulfur.  It gave a very quick response on the Gold Nugget so I gave the jaboticaba (and a pitanga) a couple of ounces of the product (about $60 for 2.5 gallons).  In seven days my jaboticaba had about twice as many leaves (and the pitanga, which had not flowered for two years, had over 100 flowers in the same 7 day time period).  Pretty remarkable, I think.  My tree is still somewhat sparse but has grown a little and filled out some and I continue to treat it periodically.  The tree had flowered some in 2011 and given me just about four fruits so I don't think that the PhotoGreen necessarily induced the flowering but it sure made a big difference in the overall health of the tree.  My soil pH is about 7.3 (ranges from 7.1 through 7.4 in this area of my farm) so iron is less available but the pH isn't what I'd consider extreme.  I did just treat it again about 10 days ago and it's putting out more leaves but I think that's partly due to the warmer spring-like weather.

Harvey and Adam, for sure it is a Sabara, I had one from Quang a few years ago from that same lot. I just gave him a Paulista and the leaves are definitely different, even though the Paulista hasn't fruited yet. Mark
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 26, 2013, 09:27:26 AM
Harvey,

dont worry, sabara isn't inferior!  it's one of the best!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jack, Nipomo on March 26, 2013, 10:20:56 AM
Can Harvey graft on a scion from my big fruited paulista on his jaboticaba?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 26, 2013, 10:59:04 AM
see the reds can get sizeable.
(http://s21.postimg.cc/v7sn20akz/printjbo.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/v7sn20akz/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: harveyc on March 26, 2013, 11:32:09 AM
Thanks.  Rather than graft onto this tree I think I'd like to just plant a few more and develop a collection.  It seems to be one of the more rewarding "rare fruits" I'm growing, probably second to white sapote which are really coming on now (about 10 varieties in flower now).  Will Quang be offering these, Mark?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: marklee on March 26, 2013, 12:16:45 PM
Harvey,

I know Quang has some reds and whites, but they are real small, but he should be getting some larger ones in next month. As far as the Paulista, he only has one or 2, I bought 3 decent size ones and gave him 2, but they are a long way from fruiting compared to the reds. Also, I picked up some white sapote scions when I was down in Florida, I got a couple from Adam, and also some Wooly Leaf. I have some wooly leaf if you want a couple.

Mark
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: harveyc on March 26, 2013, 12:31:23 PM
Mark, I have 26 white sapote varieties and think I'm okay for now except I'd like to replace Cuccio and Fournoy which I lost.  Keep me posted on possible sources for other jaboticaba.  I'm also trading a member here for some small plants/seedlings so that I have something more to look forward to in my old age. ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 26, 2013, 04:36:02 PM
I bet this is the only photo on Google that shows the Blue, yellow, and red jabos together (although they're runts, they still taste amazing when eaten all at once!)
(http://s22.postimg.cc/c23vsqgt9/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/c23vsqgt9/)
(http://s13.postimg.cc/rv3sobdtf/photo_15.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/rv3sobdtf/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on March 27, 2013, 12:02:10 PM
Hey Harvey, great to hear of your your Jabo fruiting for there really is something to be said in obtaining bigger trees instead of waiting on seedlings. Adam, great pic's of all the Jabo colored fruit you must live in Paradise! ;) 8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 27, 2013, 04:11:12 PM
out of 1000+ red jabo seeds planted,  a few will end up looking a bit different.  This one really caught my eye...I hope it turns out to be something new!


(http://s22.postimg.cc/81i18iw19/photo_16.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/81i18iw19/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: nullzero on March 27, 2013, 04:25:04 PM
out of 1000+ red jabo seeds planted,  a few will end up looking a bit different.  This one really caught my eye...I hope it turns out to be something new!


([url]http://s22.postimg.cc/81i18iw19/photo_16.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/81i18iw19/[/url])


I bet you got plans to do multiple grafts with that seedling ;D. Got to speed it up maybe graft onto one of your fruiting jabos :).
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 27, 2013, 05:20:38 PM
Red jabos.
I love when the bark peels right underneath the flowers and fruits!  Lichens, and air-plants can take a hike.  If u see them all over your trees, there may be something wrong.  I've noticed, a healthy tree won't allow them to settle on it's bark, because it will be exfoliated before then.

(http://s11.postimg.cc/iwpckcfj3/3_27_13_002.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/iwpckcfj3/)
(http://s10.postimg.cc/li78fgxet/3_27_13_005.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/li78fgxet/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 27, 2013, 10:41:14 PM
Done!

([url]http://s14.postimg.cc/4878rdc25/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/4878rdc25/[/url])

([url]http://s7.postimg.cc/g7tv78oyf/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/g7tv78oyf/[/url])


looks wonderful!

keep an eye out for flowers!!  Its been confirmed, the oldest red jabos from PIN are starting to bloom this year!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 04, 2013, 01:42:17 PM
Jaboticabaholics everywhere I look nowadays.  The birds break down the doors, and get the juices flowing...then soon after, the little guys line up at the bar to have their fill.

They really must be drunk/happy, or full..because they don't even run when you pick the fruit.

I think I see the Jabomano of ants, by himself, right in the middle of the fruit.  ;D


(http://s11.postimg.cc/bnifltazj/4_4_13_005.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bnifltazj/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on April 04, 2013, 06:22:57 PM
Never seen ants on jabo fruits here fortunately, and we have a lot of different kinds of ants. What the ants really love here are rambutans. The exterior of the fruits are always filled with them.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 05, 2013, 02:50:23 PM
I'm getting ready for the hot weather!  I don't want my jabos to dry out too much, so I put these makeshift dishes underneath them...I used plastic (double layered) and the tops of 25 gal pots.  So far so good, less work for me, more water for the jabos, and bigger fruits!
(http://s24.postimg.cc/jsnj0eukx/4_5_13_017.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/jsnj0eukx/)
(http://s13.postimg.cc/ym2k5pxtv/4_5_13_015.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ym2k5pxtv/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: nullzero on April 05, 2013, 03:20:51 PM
I'm getting ready for the hot weather!  I don't want my jabos to dry out too much, so I put these makeshift dishes underneath them...I used plastic (double layered) and the tops of 25 gal pots.  So far so good, less work for me, more water for the jabos, and bigger fruits!
([url]http://s24.postimg.cc/jsnj0eukx/4_5_13_017.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/jsnj0eukx/[/url])
([url]http://s13.postimg.cc/ym2k5pxtv/4_5_13_015.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/ym2k5pxtv/[/url])


Great picture, its making me hungry!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Zambezi on April 05, 2013, 03:39:11 PM
Adam,

That's a really nicely branched jabo there. Beautiful color on the branches and great fruit set. How old is that tree?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 05, 2013, 03:43:57 PM
@ Nullzy, I owe u a whole crop!  Please hurry up and pick them!  Sorry I forgot to bring them out!  I'm a real chum....p   :-[ ;)

@ Greenthumb,  thanks, I've pruned that tree religously!  It's about 8-10 yrs old!

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on April 05, 2013, 07:47:13 PM
Adam, is that your red jabo, the big nice shaped guy?Very beautiful 8) shape with quite a bit of fruit too!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 05, 2013, 08:03:17 PM
it's one of many red jabos!!  I convinced all my friends and family to buy big trees!!  Now I'm the jabo janitor!!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on April 05, 2013, 09:46:13 PM
Wow, that's got to be the best janitor job on the planet. ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 09, 2013, 09:01:17 PM
(http://s1.postimg.cc/iy05t0kob/4_9_13_012.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/iy05t0kob/)
(http://s23.postimg.cc/c8nbm3bfb/4_9_13_033.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/c8nbm3bfb/)
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Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on April 09, 2013, 09:19:39 PM
Great pictures Adam! Those plants really look healthy! That stripiges looks really good to!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: nullzero on April 09, 2013, 09:21:12 PM
Nice crop of jabos! That looks mighty tasty.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: harveyc on April 09, 2013, 09:29:23 PM
Do you have any fertilizer recommendations?  My Sabara is still flowering pretty steadily and lots of new leaves as weather is warming up.  Can it take pretty good doses of fertilizer or is that something I should be cautious with?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on April 09, 2013, 10:00:18 PM
Nice pic's of some of your Jabo's Adam thanks for sharing! If  a guy wanted to get some seeds of your red Jabo is that a possibility? 8)Not familiar with stripiges is that the bigger leaved plant in the forth pic down? 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 09, 2013, 10:15:07 PM
@ Ed & Steven, thanks kindly!!

@ Harvey, I like to give them espoma (hollytone if possible, because it has sulfur in it, to lower ph), almost any type of espoma fertilizer should work (tree tone, plant tone, garden tone, citrus tone, garden manure, etc..)

Yes! be very careful,  you can easily kill a jaboticaba tree by over feeding it.  It's even easier to do with synthetic fertilizers.

@ Scott...yes!  Oscar at www.fruitlovers.com (http://www.fruitlovers.com) is your best bet!  He sells the same exact jaboticaba, but it's listed as "Hybrid Jaboticaba".

BTW strigipes is 3rd and down.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on April 10, 2013, 11:25:42 AM
Thanks Adam, for setting me straight on stripiges, what about the fourth plant down with big leaves is that cinnamon?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 10, 2013, 11:29:45 AM
Thanks Adam, for setting me straight on stripiges, what about the fourth plant down with big leaves is that cinnamon?

Fourth and down? cinnamon?

It has small leaves, what are you talking about?  (maybe the image is playing tricks on you, take a close look, click twice)  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on April 10, 2013, 11:33:16 AM
No No , fourth down two different plants in same pot the bigger leaves on plant right above pot rim?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 10, 2013, 12:02:31 PM
fourth down is just one plant!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: luc on April 10, 2013, 07:55:54 PM
Looking at your fruiting jab , you really removed a lot of branches Adam , I didn't go so drastic , will try one tree . Problem is the fruits are more visible and accessible for the birds .

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 10, 2013, 11:22:08 PM
Looking at your fruiting jab , you really removed a lot of branches Adam , I didn't go so drastic , will try one tree . Problem is the fruits are more visible and accessible for the birds .

Yep, easier for you to pick and easier for birds to pick.

I constantly keep the trees in check, removing any suckers that might form on the caulis.  It gets easier and easier the longer you do it.

The hybrid, and the sabara benefit from such treatment!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 10, 2013, 11:23:12 PM
ScottR,

sorry for dragging out my response!  I was testing you... :)  The 4th tree is a cocktail tree, and the scion with the larger leaves is M. aureana.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on April 10, 2013, 11:29:47 PM
Adam you :-X I thought I was losing my mind because I could see the difference in leaves  ??? ::):o :P :) 8)Thanks for reply glad to know I'm losing it yet!! ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 11, 2013, 01:43:56 AM
Here's a bunch of rascals that are near and dear to my heart.

The plant right in the middle (with 2 M. coronatas on each side  ;) ) is supposedly a hybrid Sabara...I'm very eager to see how it performs, and what the fruits eventually look and taste like.  If I had to guess, I'd say it's a hybrid of M. jaboticaba (Sabara) and M. trunciflora...but I'm probably wrong.  The person I got them from couldn't verify the parentage of this hybrid, but swears it's a cross. 

(http://s4.postimg.cc/uw842lx3d/3_1_13_001.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/uw842lx3d/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Squam256 on April 21, 2013, 12:31:50 PM

Did some Jaboticaba harvesting today at a friend's place that has a couple ancient trees. This tree in particular is probably around 15 to 20 ft tall.

(http://s1.postimg.cc/sur424qsr/P1010858.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/sur424qsr/)



(http://s21.postimg.cc/uirv0gw8j/P1010859.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/uirv0gw8j/)

Had to climb into the canopy to pick a lot of them. I ate so many jabos I feel sick. ::)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 21, 2013, 02:17:54 PM
very nice...thanks for sharing!

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: DuncanYoung on April 21, 2013, 08:25:03 PM
Very impressive!  Thanks for sharing.  How big a tree?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Soren on April 22, 2013, 02:45:10 AM
Had Mouriri pusa at some point. Don't recall what happened to it? Vague memory now, but as i recall it didn't have the cerrado curse, but was a slow grower. Photos you posted are neat looking alright!

Just received Mouriri pusa and Mouriri glazioviana seeds on my danish address - and tips on germination?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 26, 2013, 09:22:48 AM
Treat them like jaboticaba seeds.  Just don't water them as much.

Good luck.

(this is one of the few plants that we are allowed to discuss here, that's not a Myrtle.  ;) )

Had Mouriri pusa at some point. Don't recall what happened to it? Vague memory now, but as i recall it didn't have the cerrado curse, but was a slow grower. Photos you posted are neat looking alright!

Just received Mouriri pusa and Mouriri glazioviana seeds on my danish address - and tips on germination?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: PltdWorld on April 26, 2013, 12:44:40 PM
Adam - do you have some Jabo trees available?  My wife is a Jaboticabaholic and needs a fix.  I sent you a PM as well.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 26, 2013, 02:02:49 PM
Adam - do you have some Jabo trees available?  My wife is a Jaboticabaholic and needs a fix.  I sent you a PM as well.

sorry PltdWorld,

I will not be able to ship plants out of FL.

sorry for any inconvenience!

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on April 28, 2013, 03:09:30 PM

(http://s15.postimg.cc/tp5hacm8n/photo.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tp5hacm8n/)
I hope this worked!?!
Does anyone know what variety of Jabo this tree is? 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 28, 2013, 07:58:53 PM
hard to tell...need better pic!

try posting again!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on April 28, 2013, 08:04:04 PM

(http://s12.postimg.cc/bs4bjefmh/jabo.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bs4bjefmh/)

This picture should be better if you click on it, if not Ill take more tom.  Iphone pics are iffy.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 28, 2013, 08:07:22 PM
still pretty hard to tell from pics.

reminds me of M. trunciflora though.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on April 28, 2013, 08:11:37 PM
Thanks ADam, I will take a couple more pics tom and maybe that will help. 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 28, 2013, 08:17:03 PM
Thanks ADam, I will take a couple more pics tom and maybe that will help.

Kgnight,

youre welcome...I could tell you needed some help...your are in a support group after all !

Nice tree BTW...If it's truncilfora...it would be sensitive to city water, and high ph...always looking kind of sickly.  The bark looks different than the common M. jaboticaba , Sabara.  It looks more tan/beige...where the sabara looks more red/orange/grey.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on April 28, 2013, 08:21:04 PM
Adam this tree, i think, is definately not Sabara just based on the others I have that i know are Sabara.  I am no where near the expert but I have learned alot from you guys.  This particular tree was just transplanted and brought back from the dead.  Jabos are very tough i think, and I was able to bring this baby back to life.  I am on well water so I dont have to worry about city water which is good.  i have no idea what my soil is but I use alot of organic fertilizer on my trees.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 28, 2013, 08:26:09 PM
I've seen them get chlorotic on well water.

where did u get the tree?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on April 28, 2013, 09:23:17 PM
That tree came to me in a 5 gallon from Gary at GMG tropicals fruits in Loxahatchee.  I got that tree about 3 1/2 years ago and it was at my fathers house.  He neglected it so I took it and planted it at my house.  Its a really nice looking tree and it looked awful when I transplanted it but there is a ton of new growth on it now, and I am hoping it makes a come back.  Tom's picks will really shed some light, the actual bark on the tree is like a light gray color but I dont know if thats from the neglect or its natural color.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 28, 2013, 09:35:27 PM
ok..I looked again...real close..and I'm quite certain it's truncilfora.

the new growth has no pubescence at all...and the leaves are larger, more membranous than sabara.

the tree is larger than sabara, and takes longer to fruit from seed.   Give the tree some shade (maybe 15-40%), protection from wind, and lots of good water...(don't forget to feed regularly, but don't over do it!).

the tree will fruit much faster.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on April 28, 2013, 09:43:16 PM
Thanks Adam!  I can tell you the leaves are longer and more narrow than the Sabara's I have and also they are more membranous.  So I think you assumption is probably correct, I have a grimal too and they kind of look similiar and I almost thought it was, thats why I wanted to ask.  Is the truniclflora a good variety? 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 28, 2013, 10:10:02 PM
Thanks Adam!  I can tell you the leaves are longer and more narrow than the Sabara's I have and also they are more membranous.  So I think you assumption is probably correct, I have a grimal too and they kind of look similiar and I almost thought it was, thats why I wanted to ask.  Is the truniclflora a good variety?

Yes!!!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on April 29, 2013, 03:04:33 PM

(http://s23.postimg.cc/g48uy2093/jabo1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/g48uy2093/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/wmyfwdjg3/jabo2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wmyfwdjg3/)

(http://s2.postimg.cc/tsqz8dm6t/jabo3.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tsqz8dm6t/)

(http://s12.postimg.cc/5qxfuvojd/jabo4.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5qxfuvojd/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 29, 2013, 03:54:40 PM
looks like a trunciflora.  they really struggle in conditions that are less than optimal...unlike the sabara, which is adaptable.

I'd advise you to keep pH low...and keep the water flowing...it's a thirsty tree, and a quick grower!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on April 29, 2013, 04:34:04 PM
Thanks adam, i need to get a soil tester kit and check and see what my soil is doing.  I use alot of organic fertilizer and I like to heavily mulch the jabos to keep the moisture in.  The tree is really starting to come back so I am hoping it really gets going this summer. thanks for again for all your help. 

Unrelated, do you like the yellow Jabo and is it a hard to tree to grow in South Florida?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 29, 2013, 05:06:06 PM
I really like Yellow jabo...the flavor is unique and delicious...like apricot coconut.

Its easy to grow, but gets chlorotic pretty easy with city water, or lime rock  (likes low pH).

fruits can get decent sized if you properly care for the tree.  They fruit quickly from seed, in about 4yrs.


(http://s23.postimg.cc/s0dk9cvrb/GIANTYELLOW4_18_12_003.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/s0dk9cvrb/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on April 29, 2013, 05:27:44 PM
I really like Yellow jabo...the flavor is unique and delicious...like apricot coconut.

Its easy to grow, but gets chlorotic pretty easy with city water, or lime rock  (likes low pH).

fruits can get decent sized if you properly care for the tree.  They fruit quickly from seed, in about 4yrs.


([url]http://s23.postimg.cc/s0dk9cvrb/GIANTYELLOW4_18_12_003.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/s0dk9cvrb/[/url])


That's a nice big one! I like em too, but refuse to use the name yellow jaboticaba as they don't look, taste, or feel anything like a jaboticaba. Cabelluda, meaning hairy fruit, seems more descripitive, but probably yellow jabo is better selling name.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 29, 2013, 05:59:57 PM
I really like Yellow jabo...the flavor is unique and delicious...like apricot coconut.

Its easy to grow, but gets chlorotic pretty easy with city water, or lime rock  (likes low pH).

fruits can get decent sized if you properly care for the tree.  They fruit quickly from seed, in about 4yrs.


([url]http://s23.postimg.cc/s0dk9cvrb/GIANTYELLOW4_18_12_003.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/s0dk9cvrb/[/url])


That's a nice big one! I like em too, but refuse to use the name yellow jaboticaba as they don't look, taste, or feel anything like a jaboticaba. Cabelluda, meaning hairy fruit, seems more descripitive, but probably yellow jabo is better selling name.


Oscar,
the common Portuguese names are really hard to sell in USA. 

I agree somewhat with your statement, but other similar myrciaria fruits are hairy!  I still haven't even thought of a common name for M. strigipes...I think the translation of the common name is "Beach Cambuca", which is what I've been calling it, although I think a better name could be invented.

I've really got into the habit of only referring to jaboticabas by their botanical name...it can be a good and bad thing!  I seem to confuse lots of newbies, but it gets the message across to enthusiasts and collectors!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on April 29, 2013, 06:10:04 PM
I really like Yellow jabo...the flavor is unique and delicious...like apricot coconut.

Its easy to grow, but gets chlorotic pretty easy with city water, or lime rock  (likes low pH).

fruits can get decent sized if you properly care for the tree.  They fruit quickly from seed, in about 4yrs.


([url]http://s23.postimg.cc/s0dk9cvrb/GIANTYELLOW4_18_12_003.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/s0dk9cvrb/[/url])


That's a nice big one! I like em too, but refuse to use the name yellow jaboticaba as they don't look, taste, or feel anything like a jaboticaba. Cabelluda, meaning hairy fruit, seems more descripitive, but probably yellow jabo is better selling name.


Oscar,
the common Portuguese names are really hard to sell in USA. 

I agree somewhat with your statement, but other similar myrciaria fruits are hairy!  I still haven't even thought of a common name for M. strigipes...I think the translation of the common name is "Beach Cambuca", which is what I've been calling it, although I think a better name could be invented.

I've really got into the habit of only referring to jaboticabas by their botanical name...it can be a good and bad thing!  I seem to confuse lots of newbies, but it gets the message across to enthusiasts and collectors!


Well jaboticaba is a portuguese name isn't it? And it sells. But yeah, for the most part you're right. English names are easier to relate to for english speakers. BTW, cabelluda is the spanish spelling. The portuguese spelling ins cabeluda. True other myrtaceases are hairy, but this is hairiest of them all. I've been thinking about this one lately, but for now will stick to my guns (pun intended) and keep the name cabelluda.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on April 29, 2013, 06:47:55 PM
I will have to look into getting a yellow then!!! since i am cleary a jabo addict, what other varieties would you guys recommend me trying to get? I have a sabara, trunciflora, grimal, vexator, red, sabara X.  I am trying to get my hands on a white but i cant find one anywhere, and most places i called down here are out or havent heard of it.  So other than that am I missing any must get jabos ( that are available in the us) ??
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 29, 2013, 07:35:06 PM
I will have to look into getting a yellow then!!! since i am cleary a jabo addict, what other varieties would you guys recommend me trying to get? I have a sabara, trunciflora, grimal, vexator, red, sabara X.  I am trying to get my hands on a white but i cant find one anywhere, and most places i called down here are out or havent heard of it.  So other than that am I missing any must get jabos ( that are available in the us) ??

your missing about 75 varieties!  All must have!  :P

Honestly I think everyone should have at least 4 varieties...preferably 8 or more.

Here are my must haves!

Sabara
Grimal
Red
trunciflora
Blue (vexator)
yellow (glazioviana)
Cambuca
beach cambuca (strigipes)
coronata
paulista
white (aureana)
wine white (phitrantha)

with all of those species...you'll never have a dull moment...you'll get all of your vitamins and minerals...and your house will be the hang out for cat birds, cardinals, rats, and crazy fruit collectors.

Unfortunately, if you collect all of those species, there are cultivars of those that are supposedly superior.  There are also dozens of other species worth collecting.

But you've come to the right place to learn about your problem  :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on April 29, 2013, 08:11:33 PM
75!!!! man dont tell me that, i dont have enough room on my property lol.  Even the species that you mentioned, are they all available in the US, i can see most of them are but even some nurseries i call down here only have the standard jabo, which i think everyone said is sabara?? i am going to snap some more photos wed of my meager collection.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 30, 2013, 08:49:58 PM
too many varieties, not enough space!  Put them all on one tree!

Its a challenge to prune them properly, but I believe the multi-grafted trees will be popular in the future.  I think all of the varieties should fruit nicely on the old branches...and even the rootstock should make some fruits if you are lucky!  They fruit down to the dirt!

I finally got some decent picture of the cocktail trees to show all of the different branches clearly.

Here are some flicks...
 Left trunciflora, right Red.  (I've been pruning trunciflora to keep it smaller)
(http://s11.postimg.cc/jthup8vnj/04_30_2013_006.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/jthup8vnj/)

Red lower left, Grimal Upper left, Red Top/middle, trunciflora right (very large, needs pruning...again!)
(http://s11.postimg.cc/egt0b47r3/04_30_2013_008.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/egt0b47r3/)

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on April 30, 2013, 09:49:48 PM
Thats awesome, keep us posted! Id love to see if they would fruit at the same time.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on April 30, 2013, 09:53:40 PM
Nice looking plant Adam! Should be very interesting looking once it starts fruiting! Should be a very valuable plant especially to us collectors!

Ed
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on April 30, 2013, 10:14:26 PM
Very very nice pictures of your multi-grafted trees Adam, you are the Jaboman for sure great work, can't wait to see them fruiting! 8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 30, 2013, 10:16:11 PM
thanks Scott & Ed!  It's just a little tree I'm growing, nothing special.  ;)

Kgknight,

I doubt they will all fruit at once..but maybe 2 varieties at once.  I think the trunciflora and grimal are on different schedules!  But sabara, Red, and Grimal are close!

I bet the tree is still a good 5 years away from being able to have all varieties fruiting!  I think red will be first, followed by grimal, sabara, then trunciflora!




Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on April 30, 2013, 11:13:08 PM
Adam even if you get two different varieties fruiting at once, it would be a sight to see.  Might even be the only tree around that is doing that.  The reds fruit 3-4 years from seed right?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 01, 2013, 07:06:07 PM
Adam even if you get two different varieties fruiting at once, it would be a sight to see.  Might even be the only tree around that is doing that.  The reds fruit 3-4 years from seed right?


Yes,

Reds take about 2.5-5 yrs to fruit.

Here are 4 varieties fruiting at once! On separate trees though  ;D  I wonder how many other people in the USA were eating the same four fruits today?

Trunciflora had to be picked early...the animals have been shredding them!  They would have been much sweeter, but I still enjoyed them very much.  Very smooth texture..maybe silkiest of them all.  They seem to have 2-4 small seeds per fruit, and very thin skin.  There were much larger fruits than the ones I had pictured.  I think this one might be the largest fruited of the 4, maybe tied with Grimal.

Grimals were picked about 5 days prior, and were refrigerated, so they appear a bit wrinkled....they were the best of all four...the flavor reminds me of a concord grape but better.  Have about 1-3 small seeds per fruit.  Fruits are nice sized, and came off of containerized trees, only about 7ft tall.

Sabaras were delicious and very sweet as usual.  Very smooth texture.  small seeds.

and the reds taste like blueberry yogurt.  Very thin skin, texture much like Sabara....smooth.

left to right, trunc., sabara, red, Grimal
(http://s14.postimg.cc/q85t6ytvx/5_01_2013_024.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/q85t6ytvx/)


different pic, top left Grimal, lower left trunc., top right red, lower right sabara
(http://s11.postimg.cc/ft4esdlj3/5_01_2013_026.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ft4esdlj3/)

halved top left trunc., lower left Sabara, top right Grimal, lower right red
(http://s24.postimg.cc/wuufspfqp/5_01_2013_029.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wuufspfqp/)
residual seeds...some were accidentally consumed.  Top left red, lower left Grimal, top right Sabara, lower right trunc.

(http://s1.postimg.cc/cxk4464a3/5_01_2013_030.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/cxk4464a3/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Tomas on May 01, 2013, 07:18:17 PM
Wow Adam! Those are great pictures. So it seems like you preferred Grimal and the birds prefer Trunciflora. It would be interesting to hear back from you after you have had a fully ripe Trunciflora.

Tomas
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 01, 2013, 07:28:15 PM
Tomas,

I've had trunciflora perfectly ripe! It's excellent!!  But I still prefer Grimals..it's the concord grape flavor I guess.  Trunciflora is nice because of the low tannins, and large size of fruits.  They're also silky smooth, the texture is excellent.

BTW...the tortoises that live below a Sabara tree were being hand fed again today...I seem to do this once a year at least...it's one of my favorite ways to share jaboticabas with other jaboticabaholics...even if they're cold blooded, and reluctant to come out of their shells!  :D
(http://s15.postimg.cc/8c897k54n/5_01_2013_016.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/8c897k54n/)

(http://s12.postimg.cc/ts69izagp/5_01_2013_017.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ts69izagp/)

(http://s15.postimg.cc/ly8z03mrb/5_01_2013_018.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ly8z03mrb/)

(http://s18.postimg.cc/83c5f0bn9/5_01_2013_019.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/83c5f0bn9/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on May 01, 2013, 07:51:22 PM
Those Tortoises are awesome, I can't believe they live in your yard, really cool. Oh and all the Jabos you are dining are awesome too, I'm jealous.  All my trees are still getting established in my yard. Adam the trunciflora, I haven't seen that variety anywhere, is that considered fairly rare? The Grimals almost look blue!!!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on May 02, 2013, 02:29:19 AM
Adam, great comparison shots! Loved the tortoise photos. 8) Thanks for sharing.
The Grimals do indeed look bluish, kind of like vexators. The truncifloras look like larger version of the red jabos.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 02, 2013, 11:20:32 AM
Those Tortoises are awesome, I can't believe they live in your yard, really cool. Oh and all the Jabos you are dining are awesome too, I'm jealous.  All my trees are still getting established in my yard. Adam the trunciflora, I haven't seen that variety anywhere, is that considered fairly rare? The Grimals almost look blue!!!


Yes the trunciflora is hard to find in FL...I suppose because it's really sensitive to high pH...and takes a while to finally fruit, even longer than Sabara.

Those tortoises aren't mine!  they belong to a friend...and they live in a pen right underneath a jabo tree!  Let's just say they keep the area beneath the tree totally free of weeds, and they also spread quick release fertilizer frequently!  The jabo and the tortoises are a wonderful match.
(http://s8.postimg.cc/fy2udqg69/5_01_2013_010.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fy2udqg69/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on May 02, 2013, 12:49:29 PM
What's funny about the jabo in Florida is that alot of the folks selling them don't realize that some of them are different varieties. Actually until this forum I didn't realize it either. Also I have learned that I own a grimal and trunciflora and I know the people that sold them to me did not realize it either. Now I am going out of my way to find the different varieties but its kinda funny. Most of the trees I have or find at shows, nurseries etc are sabara.
I saw some marked are crown 1,2,3. Anyone know what their actual names are and what the fruit are like?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 05, 2013, 06:21:07 PM
recently grafted jaboticaba from last year...growing nicely.  I think I've finally identified this one.  It's one of the many forms of M. cauliflora...not paulista...maybe ponhema? (PS..JFW69, I think this is the same variety that is in Madeira)
(http://s24.postimg.cc/cr5rjkca9/5_05_2013_001.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/cr5rjkca9/)

my friends M. aureana...recently planted.  The foliage was hanging below the container when the plant was in a pot, now it lays on the ground...the owner didn't have the heart to prune the tree.  Its about to push out nice new growth all over...its just recently came out of it's dormancy.  This spring has been wacky.
(http://s9.postimg.cc/a7i83ud0r/5_05_2013_006.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/a7i83ud0r/)

Grafted M. trunciflora.  Should grow like a rocket this year.  The planting location is perfect, with wind protection, acid soil, and good filtered sunlight.

(http://s16.postimg.cc/x0q1m3c3l/5_05_2013_007.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/x0q1m3c3l/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on May 05, 2013, 06:38:07 PM
adam, on the aureana is that leaf browning common? i get something similiar on my other jabos but its a darker brown ?  I water them quite a bit but i have had a jabo get overwatered and the leaves turned a light brown.  The darker brown seems to be different though and kinda common from what I have observed.     
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 05, 2013, 06:44:38 PM
yes it's normal!

those leaves are from last year...and that's what the winter seems to do...burns the leaf tips, then they're eventually shed.

I've seen them (jabos) look horrible this time of year...only to sprout out with new lush growth all over.

You can overwater/fertilze them for sure though..and yes the leaves will turn brown...almost like what you see in the picture.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on May 05, 2013, 06:52:06 PM
The leaves of the white look alot different then most of the varieties I have seen.  Does the white have less of a cold tolerance? its a nice looking tree thought. 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 05, 2013, 06:56:38 PM
The leaves of the white look alot different then most of the varieties I have seen.  Does the white have less of a cold tolerance? its a nice looking tree thought.

yes...I believe it's a bit less cold tolerant...it might survive brief exposure to 25F, but I've never let them go below 32F.

I think temps around 40F can cause defoliation...the tree is semi deciduous in it's native habitat.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on May 05, 2013, 06:59:14 PM
good stuff! Jabo related question for you or anyone else.  Is Harri Lorenzi's book Brazilian fruits and cultivated exotics a good book to further educate myself on Jabos?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 05, 2013, 07:39:09 PM
good stuff! Jabo related question for you or anyone else.  Is Harri Lorenzi's book Brazilian fruits and cultivated exotics a good book to further educate myself on Jabos?


yes I got my copy from www.fruitlovers.com (http://www.fruitlovers.com)

It's one of my favorite books.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on May 05, 2013, 07:56:00 PM
Very cool pic's of your trees Adam, it looks like you have very sandy soil, thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 06, 2013, 12:26:04 AM
Scott,

sometimes I like to graft two scions on one tree.  That's what I did for my friends trunciflora.  I figured he'd have twice the biomass.

the soil is sandy!  The jabos seem to like it!!  This guy has about 10 varieties in his collection!! He's a high ranking official in the jaboticaba jurisdiction.
(http://s10.postimg.cc/hf1i8b6dh/5_05_2013_008.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/hf1i8b6dh/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 06, 2013, 08:09:30 PM
One of the best features about the Red Jaboticaba (M. cauliflora hybrid), is that they're virtually everbearing.  The only months I have trouble getting fruits seem to be Feb and March, during the coldest part of the year, and right after.

If you have more than one tree fruiting, they'll produce more fruit than you know what to do with!  Here's a pair of trees that are in different stages of fruit development, the pics were taken today.

I better hurry up and pick these...the cardinals are crazy for them...as soon as they turn red, they get pecked!  I don't know how these fruits didn't get picked off yet.
(http://s16.postimg.cc/rjga0e6pt/5_06_2013_003.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/rjga0e6pt/)

(http://s12.postimg.cc/izwc8dnbt/5_06_2013_002.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/izwc8dnbt/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on May 06, 2013, 08:52:13 PM
how old are those reds adam?

ken
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 06, 2013, 09:22:56 PM
about 10yrs old
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on May 06, 2013, 09:38:07 PM
Very nice looking trees! Jabos sure do take a long time to grow.  How big do you think a Red would get if you let it go?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 06, 2013, 10:02:35 PM
thanks Ken!

they get about about 9 ft max

they just keep getting thicker, and wider, not really getting much taller.

my trees are only about 4.5-6.5 ft tall...and it seems like they've been the same size for years.

they might be the ultimate fruit tree for container culture.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on May 07, 2013, 05:24:02 AM
recently grafted jaboticaba from last year...growing nicely.  I think I've finally identified this one.  It's one of the many forms of M. cauliflora...not paulista...maybe ponhema? (PS..JFW69, I think this is the same variety that is in Madeira)
([url]http://s24.postimg.cc/cr5rjkca9/5_05_2013_001.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/cr5rjkca9/[/url])



Olá Adão,
The tree does look similar, I'll share some pics :) Hang on tight, Amigo...you'll twist and tango soon ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: harveyc on May 12, 2013, 12:52:11 AM
On my first flowering I counted 52 fruits.  Not huge, but I'm pretty happy about it.  I've picked a couple so far with the rest in the next week or two.  Looks like I should be getting many more flowers soon.  I don't remember reading comments about flowering cycles, though I imagine it might be different in NorCal, but I'm wondering how many waves of flowers I might expect in one year.

(http://www.chestnuts.us/images/Fruit20130511-a.jpg)

(http://www.chestnuts.us/images/Fruit20130511-b.jpg)

(http://www.chestnuts.us/images/Fruit20130511-c.jpg)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: tropical66 on May 12, 2013, 01:29:33 AM

Hi All,

http://www.rarefruit.org/AdamProgram.pdf (http://www.rarefruit.org/AdamProgram.pdf)


cheers
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: marklee on May 12, 2013, 10:05:25 AM
On my first flowering I counted 52 fruits.  Not huge, but I'm pretty happy about it.  I've picked a couple so far with the rest in the next week or two.  Looks like I should be getting many more flowers soon.  I don't remember reading comments about flowering cycles, though I imagine it might be different in NorCal, but I'm wondering how many waves of flowers I might expect in one year.


Harvey, those are real nice and glad you got the tree going up there. I had one from Ong that fruited real quick and one from Exotica that is real thick and tall and is still not flowering.

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 12, 2013, 10:47:10 AM

Hi All,

[url]http://www.rarefruit.org/AdamProgram.pdf[/url] ([url]http://www.rarefruit.org/AdamProgram.pdf[/url])


cheers


thanks for sharing this link...I didn't even know it existed.

I have more recent version of this speech with updated info, and pictures.

Although I don't know how to upload the PDF.

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on May 12, 2013, 11:32:57 AM
Adam that is a very nice presentation ! I would like to see the updated one!

Ed
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: harveyc on May 12, 2013, 12:36:48 PM
Harvey, those are real nice and glad you got the tree going up there. I had one from Ong that fruited real quick and one from Exotica that is real thick and tall and is still not flowering.

Thanks, Mark.  Steve from Exotica was here about a year ago delivering some plants and I gave him some PhotoGreen-S to give a try since I told him about how well it worked for me.  If you happen to see him, please ask him if it did anything for him.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: eNorm on May 12, 2013, 01:02:22 PM
That looks delicious Harvey!  I wish had started off years ago with with a larger tree instead of a smaller one. :(  Still no flowers in sight for me.

The family and I were at the arboretum yesterday plenty of flowers and no ripe fruit yet.

(http://s8.postimg.cc/dvlyko3wx/Photo1279.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/dvlyko3wx/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/xmri0ekjx/Photo1280.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/xmri0ekjx/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 12, 2013, 01:05:37 PM
Adam that is a very nice presentation ! I would like to see the updated one!

Ed

Ed Thanks!

Here is the updated version...on google docs.

Let me know if you can see it!

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bzp93fP3pCRQdVNPZkE2OEE1VDg/edit?usp=sharing




Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 12, 2013, 02:53:14 PM
10th try is a charm...I think I finally got it uploaded.  :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on May 12, 2013, 07:09:32 PM
Nice presentation Adam. It's also great to have all your photos in one spot easy to access.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: davidgarcia899 on May 12, 2013, 07:59:22 PM
Someone should transfer the info and pictures to the fruit wiki
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 13, 2013, 12:42:40 AM
Harvey,
sorry I didn't answer your question sooner, but the species you most likely have (M. jaboticaba, Sabara), will fruit over 4 times a year...but only 2 or 3 of the crops seem to be substantial.

Irrigate your tree liberally (but be sure to drain eventually) , and fertilize it periodically and modestly.

it will fruit much more than a neglected tree....

also consider pruning your tree...but only if you're not growing this tree in a marginal zone...a tree left unpruned is more resilient to freezes! 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: harveyc on May 13, 2013, 12:49:12 AM
Thanks, Adam.  I am keeping most but avoiding it being saturated.  My soil is fairly heavy even though I did amend it with compost when I planted it four years ago.  I'll keep fertilizing with a mild solution to avoid any burning.  What I've done for the past couple of years seems to be working out pretty well.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: LEOOEL on May 13, 2013, 01:13:31 AM
I have one jaboticaba tree that I bought about 10 years ago in Key West. I think it's a seedling and it has never fruited. I just put it in a large pot and never tended much to it. Now, I'm looking for some kind of potted kiddy pool with no drainage, then I plan to fill it with water, then put my potted jabo in it, and I plan to keep the lower one fourth of potted jabo always filled with water. All of this to see if I can get it to fruit. If this jabo is a seedling, I wonder how long it will take to fruit, if at all.

After researching the ten pages of this thread, and noticing the success some of you jabo masters have had, I've decided on a plan of action.

Because of the dissappointment had with my suspected jabo seedling, I need instant gratification. I've decided to purchase a fruiting potted jabo tree. I saw it once at a nearby nursery. It was very expensive and who knows, maybe it's more expensive now, although I hope not.

After that, I plan to purchase a grafted joboticaba of a different variety and plant it in the ground. This method is much cheaper and, two to five years for it to fruit is not bad at all. Then, when the grafted jabo does fruit, God willing, I'll then plant in the ground, the jaboticaba that was fruiting when purchased.

This plan seems to me to be a sure-proof way to finally get some jaboticabas growing in my yard. By the way, the two varieties that have so far piqued my attention are Sabara, and the blue colored one that ASaffron has mentioned that they grow almost in an everbearing fashion, from April to January.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on May 13, 2013, 01:24:26 AM
LEOOEL, I understand where your coming from, waiting for Jabos to fruit is sometimes a long task.  I took adams advice and got my hands on 3 Red (hybirds) that he says have fruited 3 to 4 years from seed.  Might be something to consider.... I got mine from Pine Island but I think i got the last one when I went.  I also bit the bullet and bought a couple larger trees but I paid some coin for them.  I wanted at least a couple trees in the yard that were close to fruiting. 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 13, 2013, 01:25:34 AM
Remember...they have to get some drainage eventually!

I don't like to keep them sitting in water for longer than 10 days!!

Although they can handle much longer I'm sure...it's not optimal to have your trees permanently saturated.

I have one jaboticaba tree that I bought about 10 years ago in Key West. I think it's a seedling and it has never fruited. I just put it in a large pot and never tended much to it. Now, I'm looking for some kind of potted kiddy pool with no drainage, then I plan to fill it with water, then put my potted jabo in it, and I plan to keep the lower one fourth of potted jabo always filled with water. All of this to see if I can get it to fruit. If this jabo is a seedling, I wonder how long it will take to fruit, if at all.

After researching the ten pages of this thread, and noticing the success some of you jabo masters have had, I've decided on a plan of action.

Because of the dissappointment had with my suspected jabo seedling, I need instant gratification. I've decided to purchase a fruiting potted jabo tree. I saw it once at a nearby nursery. It was very expensive and who knows, maybe it's more expensive now, although I hope not.

After that, I plan to purchase a grafted joboticaba of a different variety and plant it in the ground. This method is much cheaper and, two to five years for it to fruit is not bad at all. When it does fruit, God willing, I'll then plant in the ground the jaboticaba that was fruiting when purchased.

This plan seems to me to be a sure-proof way to finally get some jaboticabas growing in my yard. By the way, the two varieties that have so far piqued my attention are Sabara, and the blue colored one that ASaffron has mentioned that they grow almost in an everbearing fashion, from April to January.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on May 13, 2013, 01:29:58 AM
I planted one of my newer trees in a spot where it received constant water via run off and the soil never drained.  Needless to say the leaves turned a light color brown and all fell off.  I ended up transplanting it and its doing fine now.  But like adam says it can handle flooding but not forever. 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: LEOOEL on May 13, 2013, 01:42:30 AM
ASaffron and KGKnight, thanks for the valuable information. I'll follow your advice and I won't keep it saturated with water much longer than ten days.

Also, Red Hybrid jabos that fruit in three to four years, now that is something that's definitely worth looking into.

Thanks to you guys I have now what I consider to be a wonderful plan of action.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on May 13, 2013, 12:09:19 PM
Amazing presentation Adam, very beautiful pic's with lot's of information congrat's! ;) 8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 22, 2013, 10:54:46 PM
another reason to munch on M. vexator??

http://www.shopping.com/stakich-grape-seed/RAo8bJxWcrlDDz-y9fezjA==/info (http://www.shopping.com/stakich-grape-seed/RAo8bJxWcrlDDz-y9fezjA==/info)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on June 06, 2013, 02:13:53 PM
Amazing presentation Adam, very beautiful pic's with lot's of information congrat's! ;) 8)


it was totally insane! very thanks!

by the way: here in Argentina, we are almost in winter... I protected the small 3 years all M. jaboticabas, they are still in the garden. (and they look pretty good)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/m4pu15a7h/jaboticaba_otonio.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/m4pu15a7h/)


I protected them from frosts by putting them under an eave, but

1 would it be good to enter them into the house in a place where the temperature never falls below 20º C and the sun gives them 3 or 4 hours per day?

2 should I use artificial light also? would it be good?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 06, 2013, 02:21:49 PM
Thanks Hueratas!!! Glad you enjoyed the presentation!

Your jaboticaba looks just fine to me!  Maybe let it experience some cold weather to toughen it up!  I think some cold weather is beneficial.  Just don't let the tree get dry, and icy!  They seem to thrive, even if the temps are in the low 30's (F), as long as there is enough moisture in the air (or on the leaves), and protection from cold dry winds...(reduce wind exposure!)

Stay warm!!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on June 06, 2013, 06:46:03 PM
I vote keep them as warm as you possibly can. The warmer they are the faster they are going to grow for you. It's better to toughen them up when the plants are a lot larger. Small plants have a lot less resistance to cold than older plants. Also this way you will get fruits a lot faster!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on June 07, 2013, 03:15:03 PM
Hi, thanks both

lets do something: I have three jaboticaba on a similar evolutionary state, 2 of them less grown than the other. I'll leave out 2 and enter 1. In 4 or 5 months we will see which grew more: if the one on the inside, or the 2 that are in the yard.


This is the one inside my house:

(http://www.huertasurbanas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/590x442xSAM_3435-1024x768.jpg.pagespeed.ic.m23ryepknZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on October 13, 2013, 09:13:56 AM
SHG Hi, I have an important question for you: I have several Jaboticaba hybrid seeds that are germinating in ziploc bags,

(http://www.huertasurbanas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/590x442xSAM_4582-1024x768.jpg.pagespeed.ic.883OErHzmC.jpg)

 while another 3 germinated just in soil.(there are 3 more on soil, that had not being into ziploc bags)

(http://www.huertasurbanas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/SAM_4620-1024x768.jpg)

The others are germinating in ziploc at temps that go from 25º C to 32º C or more, I pass them to soil when I hardly see a stem, Into the pots, the temp is 25º C or so. Then there is a noticeable drop in temperature.

(http://www.huertasurbanas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/590x442xSAM_4587-1024x768.jpg.pagespeed.ic.qz-QB_ahyn.jpg)

put them in small pots and add a bit of soil just on the roots (not covering the whole seed), spraying water to moist, then I cover with PET bottle to keep moisture ;

(http://www.huertasurbanas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/SAM_4618-1024x768.jpg)

(http://www.huertasurbanas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/SAM_4617-1024x768.jpg)

I've been doing this two days ago: am I doing it well?

I would not want to spoil the seeds just as they are born to life ...


And the big question I have is: should cover the seeds completely with soil or should cover only the roots?

With guavas has worked well the method of covering only the root with soil after passing from ziploc to ground...
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: PltdWorld on October 13, 2013, 11:02:19 AM
I used the ziplock method to germinate jaboticaba seeds, once they sprouted a "tail", I transferred to soil outside.  Same as you, there is a noticeable drop in temps from inside to outside.  For the most part, they have all done well under those conditions.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 13, 2013, 05:41:50 PM
Great to see you guys here to get some help!  Your being honest and coming forward takes a lot of courage.

I have a few friends I'm worried about...

Jabomano might be the worst off!  He thinks about them even more than me...and I thought I could think anyone under the table, when it came to myrciaria madness.

Also, a nice new fellow I've met named Huertasurbanas has been associating with the jabo junkies..asking lots of questions about where they get their fix.  He's just getting into this whole mix, so the choice is still his to make.
:o

it seemed like yesterday, i was expressing my concern about some of these questionable addict acquaintances you've been associating with... you got caught up with a bunch of jabo junkies...now look at you!!  :'(

openly posting on forums with total disregard for who might know about your self destructive habits.
 :'(

if you don't change your ways soon, you'll have jabos coming out of your ears!
 :D :P

but you know I'm proud of you for all of this  8) ;)




Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on October 13, 2013, 06:26:15 PM
I would cover the whole seed, not just the roots, because if you accidentally miss a watering the seed can too easily dry out. Ok if temperature is lower when transplanted, will do fine just grow a tiny bit slower.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on October 14, 2013, 08:35:14 PM
Adam: I am totally lost! Oscar: I will do like you said from here and see what happens, thanks SHG
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 14, 2013, 08:47:06 PM
Huertas,

Sorry I dont mean to confuse you...I was just kidding.

I'm really happy to see you're addicted to jaboticabas!

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on October 14, 2013, 09:58:48 PM
Adam: you are not confusing me, I am accepting my mental illness,

I have taken several photos to a jabo hybrid seed that now looks like a spider with many legs because the roots do not penetrate the soil..., but I have not posted for shame ...
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on October 15, 2013, 01:49:25 PM
My new jaboticaba family new plants  blue jabo
(http://s13.postimg.cc/a782s5ppv/foto0281.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/a782s5ppv/)
 cabeludinha
(http://s8.postimg.cc/l3fydk681/foto0279.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/l3fydk681/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 15, 2013, 06:51:48 PM
Luisport,

welcome to the meeting.

you must admit that you are powerless to the persuasion of plinia.

it's the first step to recovery.
  :D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on October 15, 2013, 07:03:34 PM
I have has poor germination with jabs in the past except for vexator.I am pleased to report I have a few red hybrid,new vexators,M.grandiflora, white jaboticabas and loads of M.trunciflora sprouting now. With about 6 species not germinating at all and 6 others lined up for this season there is still much to do on the jab. front.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 15, 2013, 10:47:57 PM
when it comes to grafting, vexator lives up to it's name.

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on October 16, 2013, 03:30:03 AM
Luisport,

welcome to the meeting.

you must admit that you are powerless to the persuasion of plinia.

it's the first step to recovery.
  :D
Well yes...  :-[
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on October 16, 2013, 05:00:56 AM
Judging by the number of posts and people having input anonymity is out the window.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: val on October 16, 2013, 07:19:04 AM
It's a gateway fruit, all the cool people are doing it!
 I bought a large tree but I didn't inhale, I mean taste.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 16, 2013, 09:49:51 AM
Judging by the number of posts and people having input anonymity is out the window.

that's why we are using are profile names...duh.

Just don't try to figure out who Luc, Tim, and Tomas are.
 :P
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: davidgarcia899 on October 16, 2013, 10:47:08 AM
I hate this thread, makes me realize how many species I'm missing.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Tomas on October 16, 2013, 10:54:17 AM
Hi David,

I have to agree. Just when I think I have all the different jaboticaba species I want, I learn about new ones that I haven't heard about before with different characteristics that I cannot resist.

Tomas
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Tim on October 16, 2013, 11:25:44 AM
That's where you're wrong...Tim is just a profile name, my real name is Mit

Judging by the number of posts and people having input anonymity is out the window.

that's why we are using are profile names...duh.

Just don't try to figure out who Luc, Tim, and Tomas are.
 :P
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: davidgarcia899 on October 16, 2013, 12:57:09 PM
Hi David,

I have to agree. Just when I think I have all the different jaboticaba species I want, I learn about new ones that I haven't heard about before with different characteristics that I cannot resist.

Tomas

I am dying to try a white jabo. Or to have a M. trunciflora again, its been soooooo long.

And every time I look my Coronata seedlings I want to yell at them to hurry up hahaha
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: xshen on October 16, 2013, 01:34:10 PM
I bought 4 jabos form PIN and I intend to keep them in containers for the rest of their lives.  Assuming space is not a concern, Is it beneficial to transplant the 3 gal jabos straight into a 25g pot?  Or should I work my way up from a 5gal pot first?  I just wanted to make sure first before I transfer them.

Should I transplant now or should I wait until next spring.  I am thinking next spring.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 16, 2013, 03:59:22 PM
I bought 4 jabos form PIN and I intend to keep them in containers for the rest of their lives.  Assuming space is not a concern, Is it beneficial to transplant the 3 gal jabos straight into a 25g pot?  Or should I work my way up from a 5gal pot first?  I just wanted to make sure first before I transfer them.

Should I transplant now or should I wait until next spring.  I am thinking next spring.

step it up gradually!

as long as you're keeping the plant warm. I wouldn't worry about waiting for spring...go ahead and step them up into 5 or 7 gal.

I like to use a deep pots...like the ones pecans come in.

it allows you to go from 5 to a 15gal much faster. (like I did with my starcherries)

but it can also be nuisance when the trees get large and fill out the deep pots....they're very prone to being knocked over by the wind.

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on October 16, 2013, 06:50:33 PM
I hate this thread, makes me realize how many species I'm missing.

I visited Marco Lacerda's nursery and farm in October 2009. He is one of the co-authors of the Brazilian Fruits book. His nursery is just a few miles from Rio, on the outskirts. It was mind boggling to see all the diversity he has planted there. He specializes in myrtaceaes. We walked along the tree orchard and he told me all the species, most of which i'd never heard of at that time. Also there were variations and cultivars of many of the species...even more mind boggling! I realized then we only had a drop in the bucket in the USA of what actually exists. Unfortunately i wasn't there during fruiting season so didn't get to taste any of the rare jabos. Would be great to go back there some year in September, which i think is peak season for these fruits there. Marco was here for a visit a couple of months ago and i tried in vain to return some of his great hospitality.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on October 17, 2013, 01:10:20 AM
Oscar, that sounds like a really awesome opportunity you had visiting there.  Have you ever talked with him about getting some seeds? He sounds like a perfect resource to get a lot of the rare varieties into the US.  Id love to go there one day for a variety of reasons but definitely to visit some of these places that are full of rare jabo species. 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on October 17, 2013, 01:37:36 AM
Oscar, that sounds like a really awesome opportunity you had visiting there. Have you ever talked with him about getting some seeds? He sounds like a perfect resource to get a lot of the rare varieties into the US.  Id love to go there one day for a variety of reasons but definitely to visit some of these places that are full of rare jabo species.

Is the pope Catholic? Yes ofcourse i talked to him about it!  :D Brazil is a wonderful place to visit. You should go if you ever have the chance.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on October 17, 2013, 01:43:41 AM
I forgot to mention. Marcos brought me a bottle of jaboticaba wine when he visited. It was the best wine ever! I really savored every drop.  :-*
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on October 17, 2013, 01:46:39 AM
lol Ill be expecting exotic seeds to be posted to your website then!!!  Its on the to do list.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on October 22, 2013, 12:00:07 AM
Hi, just showing some progres with the red jabo seeds :D

(http://www.huertasurbanas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/590x442xSAM_4740.jpg.pagespeed.ic.KJ9_Cld7ws.jpg)

(http://www.huertasurbanas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/SAM_4742.jpg)

Just 2 questions:

1 are them sensitive to overwatering?

2 Being polyembryonic, I see that sometimes grows more than one stem, then would it make sense to divide to produce 2 trees?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on October 22, 2013, 12:10:24 AM
Not sensititive to over watering, they like a LOT of water. Sometimes you get twin seeds stuck together, not really polyembryonic seed, and if you can easily separate them then yes can make two plants. The true polys are hard to separate and would just leave them as they are for fear of damaging them.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 22, 2013, 12:12:50 AM
Huertas,

nice pics!

in theory you should be able to split a seed before germinating, but I wouldn't try after the seeds have been sprouted in soil.  I'd be afraid to damage the plant, but Im sure it could be done.

they can be sensitive to over watering in certain cases, especially if the water or soil quality is not optimal.  For instance, overwatering with high ph or salt laden water can be detrimental...but with that said, I've had red jabo seedlings submerged underwater completely for over 1 month that showed no signs of stress.  So yes, they can handle a flood...but it's best to let them breath...at least once in a while.

they also like a bit of shade, especially when less than 2yrs old.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on October 22, 2013, 11:55:40 PM
Thanks Oscar and Adam, as I killed several guabiju seedlings because overwatering, I was afraid...

here In argentina we said

"the one who burns himself with milk see the cow and cries"...

So, almost no problems with overwatering...

For "a bit of shade" I understand: sun from the morning, shade from the afternoon or the inverse.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: emegar on October 23, 2013, 11:50:29 AM
Jaboholics, a question:

I know we often talk about years to fruiting for various species, but I'm wondering if anyone can give me a sense of how caliper, or trunk thickness relates to fruiting.  Here's my situation.  I bought a what I believe is a sabara seedling from a guy who had it in a small pot in the shade, allegedly for about 10 years.  It was tiny, but has more than tripled in size since I potted it up and started giving it more sun.  I'm planning on doing some pruning soon, because it has a fairly sprawling habit at the moment (not very upright), and is only about 18" tall, but at least twice as wide.  About how thick should the trunk be a few inches above the soil level before I can expect to see any flowering?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 23, 2013, 02:56:47 PM
the smallest I've seen sabara fruit is about 4ft tall with a 2.5 inch caliper.

I've never seen a jaboticaba that flowered before the bark exfoliated for the first time.



in other words, no fruits until your bark peels.

Jaboholics, a question:

I know we often talk about years to fruiting for various species, but I'm wondering if anyone can give me a sense of how caliper, or trunk thickness relates to fruiting.  Here's my situation.  I bought a what I believe is a sabara seedling from a guy who had it in a small pot in the shade, allegedly for about 10 years.  It was tiny, but has more than tripled in size since I potted it up and started giving it more sun.  I'm planning on doing some pruning soon, because it has a fairly sprawling habit at the moment (not very upright), and is only about 18" tall, but at least twice as wide.  About how thick should the trunk be a few inches above the soil level before I can expect to see any flowering?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: emegar on October 23, 2013, 04:27:18 PM
Thanks, Adam.  That definitely helps me gauge their progress. 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: shah8 on October 25, 2013, 05:07:09 PM
It seems to me that M. spirito santensis and M coronata have relatively similar fruit and growth habits/leaves.  I have a plant grown from seeds of a "giant jaboticaba" sent by the Grimal estate curator back in the nineties.  So I've been curious about whether it is M coronata after all, instead of it being the Grimal variety.  The fruit didn't taste like concord grapes much to me, being more like canned mangosteen with a muscadine-thick resinous rind.

The plant isn't that vigorous, but it's an extremely tough one, having survive all these years of abuse and is about 7 ft tall now.  Definitely can handle flooded situations without a sweat for some time.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 25, 2013, 05:34:53 PM
shah8,

they're quite differen to me...spirito santensis (Grimal) has fuzzy skin, and thicker pulp...and thicker skin.

sounds like u have Grimal...I doubt u have coronata.

also, coronata has a crown (yellow / green spot at apex of fruit) hence the name, coronata.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: shah8 on October 25, 2013, 06:21:44 PM
What are the differences between the plants?  It's been a very long time since that fruit entered my gullet...
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 10, 2013, 07:08:35 PM
the rats are getting my red jaboticaba fruits...but there's too many for them to eat them all.
(http://s21.postimg.cc/441927077/DSCN8652.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/441927077/)
one of the grafted white jabos that I ended up keeping...it was a cocktail tree, but I decided to cut one scion off.
(http://s23.postimg.cc/wnfyc65gn/DSCN8651.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wnfyc65gn/)
killer sunset.
(http://s11.postimg.cc/4ufdaz9zz/DSCN8644.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4ufdaz9zz/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Tomas on November 10, 2013, 07:37:58 PM
Hi Adam,

Is that red jaboticaba plant in the top picture from a seedling?

Tomas
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 10, 2013, 08:21:04 PM
Hi Adam,

Is that red jaboticaba plant in the top picture from a seedling?

Tomas

yes Tomas,

that's a seedling.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: emegar on November 10, 2013, 08:28:21 PM
Do we know if anyone on the forum has a fruiting white jabo? Does Helton offer seeds on a regular basis? I belive I read that they're in season in December in Brazil. I've been checking his English seed page on an ongoing basis, but I'd rather buy or trade with a forum member,  if that were an option.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: davidgarcia899 on November 10, 2013, 08:38:56 PM
Ya, I am still looking for a white jabo as well
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on November 10, 2013, 11:49:14 PM
That's a great looking grafted White Jaboticaba Adam! They seem to perform way better as a grafted plant versus on their on roots!

Ed
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: BMc on November 11, 2013, 01:40:49 AM
I had a bunch of seeds from a friends white jab tree. Ran out of time to post on the forum and ended up with heaps of young plants. Unfortunately I over fertilized and about 40% have perished but I've got a few. Rey strong seedlings as a result. I should be able to get a few seeds if anyone's interested.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: davidgarcia899 on November 14, 2013, 09:57:23 AM
I'd be interested in some seeds
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on November 14, 2013, 12:03:22 PM
Nice looking White Jabo Adam, how hardy do you think the White Jabo is ? thanks for posting. ;) 8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 14, 2013, 12:29:24 PM
thanks Robert!

I've never fully tested their tolerance, in fear of losing one of these rare plants...but I'm certain they're more sensitive than sabara...probably can handle 28F with superficial damage...but 26F should be close to critical.

on a side note, they seem to be very resistant to rust, high humidity, and low light levels.

they will absolutely hate cold dry wind...i bet they could defoliate at 39F if it's dry and windy. (although partial defoliation may be normal...as they're semi deciduous)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 14, 2013, 02:23:11 PM
I have got some jabos that I need to post pics of...

I have some peculiar seedlings that popped up...I can't identify them...so it's exciting for now...that is, until the leaves revert back to normal, and I realize what they are!  or maybe I'm lucky...and have a new variety...I think it will be a little of both.

I also have a grafted tree (scions taken from my friends tree) that I can't identify....it reminds me somewhat of truciflora, but the leaves are fuzzy when young...and fuzzy on the undersides when mature...also, I've seen the mother tree flower, and they don't hang from stalks...so it can't be a variety of trunciflora.

I will try to post pics by sunday
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on December 21, 2013, 10:58:48 AM
As of right now I don't have pictures of my jabo collection bc it would take some time, but I promise to work on that and get something up.  Over the past year I have acquired the following trees; m. Aureanna, m. Grandiflolia, m. Coronata restinga, m. Sabara (of course), m. Glaziovana, vexator, m. Truncilflora, m.  Spirito santesis, plinia edulis, red (hybrid) and some stuff from pine island labeled sabara X and crown 1, 2, 3.  Most of this is thanks to Adam! Lol.
Now I was looking on e-jardim and heltons website and wanted to know if anyone is collecting the following Jabos; myrcianthes pungens, m. Phitrantha ( really want to find this one), and m. Oblongata?
Sorry for the spelling guys. Anyway most of my trees are small or seedlings but I have two Grimals on the verge of fruiting, and 4 reds that are fruiting and my sabaras are fruiting as well.  The other stuff will take anywhere from 5 to 10 years :/  what is everyone's jabo collection looking like?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AnnonAddict on December 21, 2013, 11:22:16 AM
If it's not to late I'd like to join Adam.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 21, 2013, 05:29:52 PM
If it's not to late I'd like to join Adam.

it's never to late to join...I'm glad you realize you have a problem.

too many damn species of myrciaria/plinia to collect!
 ;D

glad to have you in the support group.

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: BMc on December 21, 2013, 06:26:56 PM
Unfortunately, I have become a jaboticabaholic. I have at least 100 pots full of jaboticaba seeds and seedlings of so many species and hybrids I never new about. My plan is to have lots of different jabs planted out at the family farm, Turing it into a sort of PYO jab heaven. My grandfathers azalea collection has had its day. The soil should be perfect for them and is some of the best alluvial soil in town
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on December 21, 2013, 06:48:16 PM
BMc you and me both. I have 13 species and a number are seeds in pots. Some of these species have numerous varieties that I have recently acquired. M.trunciflora I had 6 varieties, M.coronata I had 5 varieties and similar numbers for M.jaboticaba and M.cauliflora. I have given away most varieties of these 4 species as I really only need a plant or two of each species.

If the seeds all come up I can officially retire from jaboticaba acquisition.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on December 21, 2013, 07:35:56 PM
Bmc, what varieties man? Sounds like you have a heck of a collection!
Mike T I didn't realize Truncilflora had different varieties? I wonder what I have, I bought 2 seedlings from Oscar and seeds from Oscar as well.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on December 21, 2013, 08:05:33 PM
kgk look at the link in the other jaboticaba thread that BMc posted. It mentions a few varieties and relationships between them. Most of the time just species are identified not varieties. I thought that white jaboticaba was just one species until I got seeds from 2 named types. Unfortunately only one white type came up.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on December 21, 2013, 11:39:20 PM
I think a whole book could easily be written on just all the different jaboticabas. I wish one of our Brazilian brothers would do it. I will mention it to some of them to try to encourage them.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AnnonAddict on December 21, 2013, 11:46:23 PM
We gotta get Helton on this forum!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruithunter on December 22, 2013, 05:54:55 AM
I think a whole book could easily be written on just all the different jaboticabas. I wish one of our Brazilian brothers would do it. I will mention it to some of them to try to encourage them.

It will be great, if the book can be written sooner. I can't  wait to have one.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on December 22, 2013, 05:56:58 AM
We gotta get Helton on this forum!
Not easy as he doesn't speak/read english.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: omarudy on December 22, 2013, 07:09:57 AM
We gotta get Helton on this forum!
Not easy as he doesn't speak/read english.

Does he speak google translate?  ;D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on December 22, 2013, 09:32:25 AM
Mike T, I read that article, it's interesting.  Truncilflora is one of my favorites just based on how the tree grows.  It's unlike any other of the varieties I have. Really all them either have subtle or more pronounced differences in the shape of the tree, etc.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on December 22, 2013, 05:16:57 PM
We gotta get Helton on this forum!
Not easy as he doesn't speak/read english.

Does he speak google translate?  ;D

Obviously not because he has someone else handle all his english correspondance. Not everyone wants to bother with google translate. Anyway like the saying goes, a lot is lost in the translation.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 22, 2013, 10:31:00 PM
I think a whole book could easily be written on just all the different jaboticabas. I wish one of our Brazilian brothers would do it. I will mention it to some of them to try to encourage them.

It will be great, if the book can be written sooner. I can't  wait to have one.

I'm planning on writing a short book about jaboticaba, but I'm still a few years away from being ready.

It won't be as extensive as a book you'd get from Lorenzi (et al) but it will have some good information (and pictures) about all of the jaboticabas in the USA (of which I believe I have the most diverse collection in the country...and possibly the whole world, outside of Brazil).

I would also include a section about how to propagate them, and what some of the graft compatibilites are.

I wish I could get started sooner, but I'm still trying to get my story together.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on December 22, 2013, 11:08:27 PM
Saff now you have to tell us how many species and varieties you have and which ones you are still chasing.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 22, 2013, 11:45:25 PM
Saff now you have to tell us how many species and varieties you have and which ones you are still chasing.

Here is what I can tell you...without listing everything.

I have over 20 different varieties and species,

but I only have about 15 different species. (some are species I can't identify)

I will be getting a few new species and varieties this year, but only about 3.

Some I don't have, and don't care much about getting...and the ones I'm still after, I keep quiet about!  so I don't increase demand before I get my share!
 ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on December 23, 2013, 12:21:32 AM
Saff it seems there is much afoot in the world of jabs and even some underground seeds being acquired.I think there may well be more species and varieties that are good to eat than many jaboticaba enthusiasts realise.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruithunter on December 23, 2013, 09:00:13 AM
I think a whole book could easily be written on just all the different jaboticabas. I wish one of our Brazilian brothers would do it. I will mention it to some of them to try to encourage them.

It will be great, if the book can be written sooner. I can't  wait to have one.

I'm planning on writing a short book about jaboticaba, but I'm still a few years away from being ready.

It won't be as extensive as a book you'd get from Lorenzi (et al) but it will have some good information (and pictures) about all of the jaboticabas in the USA (of which I believe I have the most diverse collection in the country...and possibly the whole world, outside of Brazil).

I would also include a section about how to propagate them, and what some of the graft compatibilites are.

I wish I could get started sooner, but I'm still trying to get my story together.
Adam you really do a good job. Having a jaboticaba book is fantastic for me. I do not have a book that introduce jaboticaba in details so far. So I really really want one. Looking forward to your book ready :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AnnonAddict on December 23, 2013, 02:55:45 PM
The story of how I became a Jaboticabaholic is a tragic one.

It was a dark and stormy night and it twas I who was craving jaboticaba.
The fruit on friends tree had turned a violet purple and I was drawn to
devouring it. Juicy and succelent, with rich overtones... it was perfect.
Then I couldn't stop, I got three trees tasted more and more jabo until
the season was over, I was doomed. But shalt I get revenge!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: jc on December 23, 2013, 05:51:00 PM

(http://s21.postimg.cc/yn3wpd0pv/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/yn3wpd0pv/)

How dark should a red hybrid be at peak flavor and ready to pick?

This is my first fruit from this tree.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 23, 2013, 06:30:06 PM
JC,

congrats on the red fruit!

once they turn red, they take a while (especially this time of year) to reach the stage of being super ripe...about 1 week, or more.

if you eat it now, the texture will be slightly firmer, even slightly fibrous...it's also has a more tart flavor, with a seemingly thicker skin.   I have learned to enjoy the fruits at this stage, because the rats and birds usually get them before me if I let them go any longer.

if you can protect the fruit (maybe with a net, or small plastic clam shell package) and let it ripen for another 5-8 days, the fruit will turn a deep wine red color, the skin will become very thin, and the pulp becomes very succulent and smooth, and the flavor is much sweeter, like a blueberry yogurt to me.

btw, if you pick them early, they will ripen a bit more if you let them sit on a plate (at room tenp) for a day or two.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: jc on December 23, 2013, 06:42:24 PM
Thanks, Adam!  I'm going to cover it w an organza bag and wait for the red wine color. It started coloring up yesterday so I'll look forward to a weekend tasting! 

Thanks again!

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: roesn on December 24, 2013, 04:23:52 PM
Hello! I was told go for the Red jaboticaba (hybrid) and the Grimal (m spirito santensis) So they are good for fast bearing fruit and does well in pots indoors? What do you think?

If so I want to buy one of each as soon as possible! :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: BMc on December 24, 2013, 06:04:57 PM
Grimal gets larger than most other standard types, but does bear earlier than most. Except the hybrid, which would be your best bet.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: roesn on December 26, 2013, 12:58:18 AM
Thanks for the reply! So are these two the most popular to grow in pots?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 30, 2013, 09:33:45 PM
Here is one of the weird looking Myrciarias that sprouted...I thought at first it could be a deficiency or too much of a certain micro-nutrient... but i've noticed the leaves are like none other I've seen...I keep waiting for the plant to grow out of it...maybe the leaf type will change?

For now it makes very small, slender, leaves...with a bit of fuzz on them...which is somewhat unusual.

I'm beginning to suspect that its a seedling of the hybrid (red jaboticaba)...after planting thousands of them, I'm realizing they have more variation than I thought...but you really have to plant thousands to notice.

Next I have to post some pics of the strange trunciflora seedling that sprouted...it's definitely unusual.  Looks like a perfect cross between M. trunciflora and the Red jabo, (M. cauliflora hybrid).  I will post pics of all three trees to show what I'm talking about.


I have got some jabos that I need to post pics of...

I have some peculiar seedlings that popped up...I can't identify them...so it's exciting for now...that is, until the leaves revert back to normal, and I realize what they are!  or maybe I'm lucky...and have a new variety...I think it will be a little of both.

I also have a grafted tree (scions taken from my friends tree) that I can't identify....it reminds me somewhat of truciflora, but the leaves are fuzzy when young...and fuzzy on the undersides when mature...also, I've seen the mother tree flower, and they don't hang from stalks...so it can't be a variety of trunciflora.

I will try to post pics by sunday



(http://s28.postimg.cc/vchk54oqh/Picture_834.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/vchk54oqh/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on December 30, 2013, 11:07:48 PM
Adam in the pic that seedling looks healthy! The leaves are nice and dark but they seem very slender and narrow?!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 03, 2014, 05:17:58 PM
Here are a few photos of the seedling that looks like a perfect cross between M. trunciflora and the Red jabo, (M. cauliflora hybrid)...

(http://s24.postimg.cc/yldkgu2jl/01_03_2014_001.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/yldkgu2jl/)

Notice the branching habit is much more lateral than M. cauliflora, or M. jaboticaba.
(http://s13.postimg.cc/eq9ffgqw3/01_03_2014_004.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/eq9ffgqw3/)

the leaves of my mystery seedling have a slight fuzz, and so do them new stems...but they are elongated like M. trunciflora...
(http://s13.postimg.cc/ca7m1m8tf/01_03_2014_003.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ca7m1m8tf/)
here is a true M. trunciflora, notice the stems and leaves don't have any fuzz.
(http://s13.postimg.cc/5tynbj09v/01_03_2014_007.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5tynbj09v/)

it maybe difficult to tell, but one more difference I see, is the nerves on the leaves...the mystery seedling (on the left) has more prominent venation, than the true M. trunclfora on the right, which has very discreet venation.

(http://s13.postimg.cc/8f47z1pnn/01_03_2014_029.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/8f47z1pnn/)


Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on January 03, 2014, 05:28:43 PM
There are at least 7 named M.trunciflora varieties that are supposed to have different characteristics such as leaf form. You never know it could one of the more aberrant types.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: mikesid on January 03, 2014, 05:37:02 PM
Adam, I noticed that my ten year old jabo that hasn't fruited yet has started peeling on the trunk and branches more than ever. Also, it seems like there is a slight color change to the bark underneath. It's seems a lot whiter than it use to be. Does the jabo go through different stages of peeling as it matures? This is the most it has peeled but still hasn't put out a flower yet?
(http://s29.postimg.cc/rpgx2wa5v/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/rpgx2wa5v/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 03, 2014, 05:39:34 PM
There are at least 7 named M.trunciflora varieties that are supposed to have different characteristics such as leaf form. You never know it could one of the more aberrant types.

how could a new variety of trunciflora originate from a tree that's isolated (from other truncifloras)?  I would have had to plant seeds from a different source to get a new variety....every single seed I've planted from this tree has come up the same....except this one.

I've never even ordered or planted trunciflora seeds from an outside source...I've only planted ones from a local tree.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: plantlover13 on January 03, 2014, 05:44:06 PM
There are at least 7 named M.trunciflora varieties that are supposed to have different characteristics such as leaf form. You never know it could one of the more aberrant types.

how could a new variety of trunciflora originate from a tree that's isolated (from other truncifloras)?  I would have had to plant seeds from a different source to get a new variety....every single seed I've planted from this tree has come up the same....except this one.

I've never even ordered or planted trunciflora seeds from an outside source...I've only planted ones from a local tree.

If all the others are the same, then there could be a mutation that ocurred. Also, pollen has a way of getting around sometimes.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on January 03, 2014, 05:47:19 PM
Sorry Adam I missed the bit where it is an unusual seedling from the same source.Guess it must be a cross then.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 03, 2014, 05:47:28 PM
Adam, I noticed that my ten year old jabo that hasn't fruited yet has started peeling on the trunk and branches more than ever. Also, it seems like there is a slight color change to the bark underneath. It's seems a lot whiter than it use to be. Does the jabo go through different stages of peeling as it matures? This is the most it has peeled but still hasn't put out a flower yet?
([url]http://s29.postimg.cc/rpgx2wa5v/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/rpgx2wa5v/[/url])


that's a good sign...peeling is real good..means your tree is bursting at the seems...getting proper food and irrigation...and most likely u have a decent pH.

just keep that truck free of suckers...really try to maximize the amount of light that can penetrate the big old branches.

that joker should fruit this year....
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 03, 2014, 05:51:05 PM
Sorry Adam I missed the bit where it is an unusual seedling from the same source.Guess it must be a cross then.

Mike...I'm not convinced it's a cross yet...but that's my only guess.  I can't figure it out otherwise...because it looks just like a trunciflora...especially the lateral branching habit...and the elongated foliage...and weeping appearance.

I will be more convinced it's a cross when I see some enlongated peduncles on the bark...and especially if the tree fruits much sooner than a normal trunciflora...I will be happy to have that trait from the Red jabo.

I will be totally convinced once I can analyze the DNA..and apply for a patent...LOL (In my dreams)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 03, 2014, 06:22:13 PM

Here is one more jaboticaba I can't ID...I got it from a scion, from a friend and collector of Plinia species.

the foliage is quite fuzzy...and reminds me of trunciflora, being elongated...but I've seen the mother tree flower, and it doesn't have elongated peduncles...instead the flowers have very short peduncles, even shorter than the Red and Sabara...I've actually never seen a jabo flower so close to the bark, in very tight clusters.

(http://s9.postimg.cc/adqalhqrv/01_03_2014_017.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/adqalhqrv/)(http://s9.postimg.cc/7m70uvs97/01_03_2014_019.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7m70uvs97/)

Below is a seedling M. grandifolia, I posted a picture because it's the only species I've seen that resembles this mystery jabo, mainly because the foliage is hairy when new...but grandifolia makes much larger leaves than my mystery tree...and the bark has a totally different appearance.

(http://s9.postimg.cc/aiu1v5y2z/01_03_2014_044.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/aiu1v5y2z/)

and check out the variation between these two aureana trees...the first one has smoother looking, almost hairless new growth, and smaller leaves,
(http://s9.postimg.cc/3r3msb93f/01_03_2014_043.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3r3msb93f/)
the second one has much more fuzzy leaves, and impressed nerves.
(http://s9.postimg.cc/bhaexgbez/01_03_2014_018.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bhaexgbez/)

and this is a supposed hybrid of Sabara (from PIN) I think it's a cross with trunciflora (but they couldn't provide me with info as to what the other parent was.)  Its recovering now from a bit of chlorosis...I just drenched it with chelated Fe a month ago.
(http://s9.postimg.cc/qnggoe1fv/01_03_2014_020.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qnggoe1fv/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 05, 2014, 04:01:33 PM
my oldest Red (hybrid )tree decided to pop today...after spending one night in my recently covered greenhouse...now it's attracting all sorts of bees and flies, I keep having to catch them and release them with a net...my greenhouse is a great bug trap...the greenhouse smells delicious...like a sweet melon.

That's why I love the Red jaboticaba...its easy to maintain in a pot (less than 8-10ft tall total, including pot), and it fruits all year long.  Here comes some freezing weather, so I put a few of them in a greenhouse to keep them going strong....(I left a few of them out for now...which will put them on an alternate cycle...so I can have fruit when the greenhoused trees are shutting down, from producing a huge crop in the winter).



(http://s24.postimg.cc/d7klm0cv5/01_03_2014_001.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/d7klm0cv5/)

(http://s24.postimg.cc/y5qrk3cpt/01_03_2014_002.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/y5qrk3cpt/)

(http://s24.postimg.cc/iugyjhfdt/01_03_2014_006.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/iugyjhfdt/)

(http://s24.postimg.cc/mpkcm1yjl/01_03_2014_004.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/mpkcm1yjl/)


Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruithunter on January 07, 2014, 08:55:12 AM

Here is one more jaboticaba I can't ID...I got it from a scion, from a friend and collector of Plinia species.

the foliage is quite fuzzy...and reminds me of trunciflora, being elongated...but I've seen the mother tree flower, and it doesn't have elongated peduncles...instead the flowers have very short peduncles, even shorter than the Red and Sabara...I've actually never seen a jabo flower so close to the bark, in very tight clusters.

([url]http://s9.postimg.cc/adqalhqrv/01_03_2014_017.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/adqalhqrv/[/url])([url]http://s9.postimg.cc/7m70uvs97/01_03_2014_019.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/7m70uvs97/[/url])

Below is a seedling M. grandifolia, I posted a picture because it's the only species I've seen that resembles this mystery jabo, mainly because the foliage is hairy when new...but grandifolia makes much larger leaves than my mystery tree...and the bark has a totally different appearance.

([url]http://s9.postimg.cc/aiu1v5y2z/01_03_2014_044.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/aiu1v5y2z/[/url])

and check out the variation between these two aureana trees...the first one has smoother looking, almost hairless new growth, and smaller leaves,
([url]http://s9.postimg.cc/3r3msb93f/01_03_2014_043.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/3r3msb93f/[/url])
the second one has much more fuzzy leaves, and impressed nerves.
([url]http://s9.postimg.cc/bhaexgbez/01_03_2014_018.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/bhaexgbez/[/url])

and this is a supposed hybrid of Sabara (from PIN) I think it's a cross with trunciflora (but they couldn't provide me with info as to what the other parent was.)  Its recovering now from a bit of chlorosis...I just drenched it with chelated Fe a month ago.
([url]http://s9.postimg.cc/qnggoe1fv/01_03_2014_020.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/qnggoe1fv/[/url])

Wow! I'm so envious of your collection of so many varieties.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: val on January 07, 2014, 12:05:07 PM
Wow! Beautiful.  I like your idea about leaving some in and some out of the greenhouse.   Low temp here last night was 33.5.  It was a good practice run.

my oldest Red (hybrid )tree decided to pop today...after spending one night in my recently covered greenhouse...now it's attracting all sorts of bees and flies, I keep having to catch them and release them with a net...my greenhouse is a great bug trap...the greenhouse smells delicious...like a sweet melon.

That's why I love the Red jaboticaba...its easy to maintain in a pot (less than 8-10ft tall total, including pot), and it fruits all year long.  Here comes some freezing weather, so I put a few of them in a greenhouse to keep them going strong....(I left a few of them out for now...which will put them on an alternate cycle...so I can have fruit when the greenhoused trees are shutting down, from producing a huge crop in the winter).



([url]http://s24.postimg.cc/d7klm0cv5/01_03_2014_001.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/d7klm0cv5/[/url])

([url]http://s24.postimg.cc/y5qrk3cpt/01_03_2014_002.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/y5qrk3cpt/[/url])

([url]http://s24.postimg.cc/iugyjhfdt/01_03_2014_006.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/iugyjhfdt/[/url])

([url]http://s24.postimg.cc/mpkcm1yjl/01_03_2014_004.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/mpkcm1yjl/[/url])
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 07, 2014, 12:44:21 PM
Fruithunter,

thanks!!  I got very lucky and met some serious Plinia/Myrciaria collectors in FL.....so I really got a helping hand....I wouldn't have such diversity without their generosity!!

Val,

thanks!!  Yes last night was a good practice run!  But it could have been fatal for my tiny guanabana seedlings!  I left out some sensitive stuff for the freeze just to see what would happen.

Wow! Beautiful.  I like your idea about leaving some in and some out of the greenhouse.   Low temp here last night was 33.5.  It was a good practice run.

my oldest Red (hybrid )tree decided to pop today...after spending one night in my recently covered greenhouse...now it's attracting all sorts of bees and flies, I keep having to catch them and release them with a net...my greenhouse is a great bug trap...the greenhouse smells delicious...like a sweet melon.

That's why I love the Red jaboticaba...its easy to maintain in a pot (less than 8-10ft tall total, including pot), and it fruits all year long.  Here comes some freezing weather, so I put a few of them in a greenhouse to keep them going strong....(I left a few of them out for now...which will put them on an alternate cycle...so I can have fruit when the greenhoused trees are shutting down, from producing a huge crop in the winter).



([url]http://s24.postimg.cc/d7klm0cv5/01_03_2014_001.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/d7klm0cv5/[/url])

([url]http://s24.postimg.cc/y5qrk3cpt/01_03_2014_002.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/y5qrk3cpt/[/url])

([url]http://s24.postimg.cc/iugyjhfdt/01_03_2014_006.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/iugyjhfdt/[/url])

([url]http://s24.postimg.cc/mpkcm1yjl/01_03_2014_004.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/mpkcm1yjl/[/url])

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 07, 2014, 02:01:40 PM
Here is a pic (sorry the contrast is so poor) from a few days ago, it's of Red Jabo I gave to my friend a few years back...now its about 4ft tall...3.5yrs old...planted in about 50% shade...right beneath the canopy of a large oak tree...it finally decided to start flowering.
(http://s8.postimg.cc/rkfqxjl69/01_03_2014_003.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/rkfqxjl69/)
(http://s8.postimg.cc/aimwvg6b5/01_03_2014_002.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/aimwvg6b5/)


Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: nullzero on January 07, 2014, 02:39:14 PM
Here is a pic (sorry the contrast is so poor) from a few days ago, it's of Red Jabo I gave to my friend a few years back...now its about 4ft tall...3.5yrs old...planted in about 50% shade...right beneath the canopy of a large oak tree...it finally decided to start flowering.

Thanks for the information! Adam, its good to hear its flowering and compatible being close by an oak. I may do something similar to a few of the jabos I have not planted out yet.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 16, 2014, 10:18:11 PM
here is an interesting observation about Myrciaria trunciflora...

I notice that it makes large fissures, near the crotches of the branches...at first I thought my tree was sickly..maybe a fungal infection...but I looked at several other trees and noticed that all Myrciaria truncifloras do this.

It's actually a sign that the tree is growing vigorously...so fast that the bark splits from within.

(http://s27.postimg.cc/v08ji0n5r/01_16_2014_004.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/v08ji0n5r/)

(http://s27.postimg.cc/xt1r21ni7/01_16_2014_005.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/xt1r21ni7/)

(http://s27.postimg.cc/izn3hafr3/01_16_2014_006.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/izn3hafr3/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 16, 2014, 10:49:05 PM
here is a grafted trunciflora, with scions taken from a totally different tree.....it's also splitting like my large seedling truncilfora.

(http://s21.postimg.cc/6pzhuhbc3/01_16_2014_025.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6pzhuhbc3/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/8j6zwjlwj/01_16_2014_026.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/8j6zwjlwj/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: emegar on January 16, 2014, 10:51:11 PM
Adam,

You been taking those cafe jabos to the gym lately, cuz they lookin ripped!  :D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 04, 2014, 12:48:44 AM
After 3 years of grafting Myrciarias/Plinias, I've come to realize that the most precocious species still take about 2 yrs to flower, from grafting...but I think it will take an additional year or two, for them to achieve decent fruit set.  It's still exciting to see them flowering so early!

Here is a small Hybrid Jaboticaba that's started to flower...about 1.5 yrs from grafting.

(http://s11.postimg.cc/wkefsfjf3/photo_14.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wkefsfjf3/)

you can just see some of the flower buds, right above the graft union to the left, and some other buds forming up a bit higher, on the right side of the trunk)
(http://s4.postimg.cc/uax0sp221/image_3.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/uax0sp221/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: LEOOEL on February 04, 2014, 02:36:04 AM
Wow, I have to say that I'm impressed. I wonder if what lead to this early flowering was the seed type, a special technique of conditions of soil, water, fertilizer, sun, etc. Or, a combination of the above. Anyhow, very nice, good job.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on February 04, 2014, 11:38:58 AM
Very Cool Adam, all the great infor & pic's of your Jabo's, perhaps you can tell us a little more about you soil and fertilizer program ( and not have to kill me later). Because you sure can grow those Jabo's!!! Great post keep up the great work!! Very interesting seedling going on there hope you end up with a new hybrid!! ;) 8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AnnonAddict on February 04, 2014, 06:43:43 PM
Very cool!

I would like to see and have a hybrid of Myrciaria phitrantha and Myrciaria aureana, then we'd have Pink Cambuca!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 15, 2014, 04:57:20 PM
a little time lapse photography of a grafted Myricaria coronata, over the course of about 2 yrs.

(http://s8.postimage.org/k501iqlq9/11_27_12_006.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/k501iqlq9/)
(http://s1.postimg.cc/iy05t0kob/4_9_13_012.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/iy05t0kob/)
(http://s30.postimg.cc/irm1o10dp/2_15_2014_010.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/irm1o10dp/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on February 15, 2014, 10:32:50 PM
Wow Adam, what are you feeding those Jabo's with? Nice growth in 2 yrs. :o 8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 15, 2014, 11:39:02 PM
Wow Adam, what are you feeding those Jabo's with? Nice growth in 2 yrs. :o 8)

Robert,

thanks!  I feed them with espoma (holly tone usually, but any of the espoma products work fine).  I also kept it in partial shade, and planted it in a deep pot!  And....I put a dish of water underneath!

maybe it will fruit in the next 5yrs??
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on February 16, 2014, 11:59:36 AM
Thanks Adam,. 8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Central Floridave on February 17, 2014, 11:23:22 AM
I've been using espoma also and mine are in the shade.  I can't seem to grow jaboticaba in full sun. Which is fine as I don't have anymore full sun spots. 

We have had a ton of rain this past two weeks.  Over ten inches.   Thus, jaboticaba flower! 

My trees are on the 1st flower flush of 2014.   They fruited back in December also as we got a lot of rain for that month also.  So eating fruit and watching them flower again is pretty cool! 

I've heard they can have 5 flower flushes and this is the first year I've seen multiple.  I've only seen a spring flower flush in the past.  So....viva la jaboticaba!!!

(http://s27.postimg.cc/z7if9ff3j/IMG_0486.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/z7if9ff3j/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/mo7p807v7/IMG_1116.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/mo7p807v7/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 02, 2014, 03:07:02 PM
before the spring pop-2-15-14
(http://s30.postimg.cc/irm1o10dp/2_15_2014_010.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/irm1o10dp/)
after spring pop-3-1-14 (LOOKS DIFFERENT RIGHT?)  :)
(http://s29.postimg.cc/pqgupat5f/3_1_2014_006.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/pqgupat5f/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 02, 2014, 03:13:15 PM
x
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 08, 2014, 10:03:46 PM
the champion Grimal blooms now...and the battle to keep the animals from stealing the seeds begins soon!


(http://s28.postimg.cc/6f3xvcbtl/3_8_2014_034.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6f3xvcbtl/)
(http://s27.postimg.cc/n8zg2khtb/3_8_2014_035.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/n8zg2khtb/)

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on March 08, 2014, 11:50:09 PM
A pretty sight to behold! Wasn't it you who posted before about covering developing fruits with aluminum foil to deter the critters? Didn't that work well for you?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 09, 2014, 04:46:00 PM
A pretty sight to behold! Wasn't it you who posted before about covering developing fruits with aluminum foil to deter the critters? Didn't that work well for you?

Yes...I will have to try that again this year!  Maybe a big net too.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: HMHausman on March 09, 2014, 05:55:40 PM
the champion Grimal blooms now...and the battle to keep the animals from stealing the seeds begins soon!


([url]http://s28.postimg.cc/6f3xvcbtl/3_8_2014_034.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/6f3xvcbtl/[/url])
([url]http://s27.postimg.cc/n8zg2khtb/3_8_2014_035.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/n8zg2khtb/[/url])


Where do you get your jaboticbas so beautifully flocked?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on March 09, 2014, 08:18:47 PM
Adam do you know how old those grimals are?  very nice looking trees
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 09, 2014, 09:27:58 PM
Adam do you know how old those grimals are?  very nice looking trees

just one big tree like this! I'm guessing it's about 20yrs old??
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: HMHausman on March 09, 2014, 09:55:49 PM
Mine bloomed heavily on some branches and not at all on others
(http://s17.postimg.cc/p1r0r108r/20140309_184339.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/p1r0r108r/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Central Floridave on March 10, 2014, 02:13:34 PM
Harry, how do you get your tree to grow sideways like that!  Probably easier to pick the fruit like that.  LOL.  (joking)

As a follow up on my post above, my trees are now on the 2nd flower flush this year.   Fruit are developing and with a new flower flush.

Birds have been visiting my trees and taking the fruit.  erggg...Squirrels as well. 

Also, I would like to mention that the aroma of jaboticaba flower is nice.  Kind of like Jasmine.  It grabs your attention.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 10, 2014, 04:34:10 PM
Harry, how do you get your tree to grow sideways like that!  Probably easier to pick the fruit like that.  LOL.  (joking)

As a follow up on my post above, my trees are now on the 2nd flower flush this year.   Fruit are developing and with a new flower flush.

Birds have been visiting my trees and taking the fruit.  erggg...Squirrels as well. 

Also, I would like to mention that the aroma of jaboticaba flower is nice.  Kind of like Jasmine.  It grabs your attention.

the fragrance always reminded me of a cantaloupe...or some type of sweet melon
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: val on March 11, 2014, 08:04:11 AM
Moving this post to jabo pruning thread.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on March 11, 2014, 10:04:55 AM
I now have:

Crown 1,2,3,
Sabara 5
Grimal
2 Reds

Edit:  Should have read:  I now have a problem  :-[ ;D

Thinking about capping it there, but as we all know, that probably is futile.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: HMHausman on March 11, 2014, 11:08:02 AM
Harry, how do you get your tree to grow sideways like that!  Probably easier to pick the fruit like that.  LOL.  (joking)

I have two recommendations.  First, subject your tree to hurricane force winds that blow the tree over.  Then, make the momentous decision that the tree will be fine in the prone position( read that, I was too lazy to do the work to upright it).  Or, you can fail to turn your upright taken photo when it appears horizontally because of the camera position at the moment of the shot.  In actuality, both modalities suggested above have been employed in the picture you are commenting on. 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 06, 2014, 10:21:34 PM
i'm going to have lots of Red jaboticaba seeds soon!

There's so much fruit the birds can't keep up!
(http://s29.postimg.cc/48clxc9ur/4_5_2014_010.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/48clxc9ur/)

(http://s29.postimg.cc/6scu56msj/4_5_2014_032.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6scu56msj/)

(http://s29.postimg.cc/45sqai677/4_5_2014_034.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/45sqai677/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on April 06, 2014, 10:23:58 PM
Great looking crop of Red Jaboticabas Adam!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on April 06, 2014, 10:31:31 PM
Adam that's awesome! The lower part of the trunk is smothered with fruit. So cool.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Tropicaliste on April 07, 2014, 09:10:36 AM
Forgive me if this sounds ignorant.  You mention using "Hollytone".  Went to my farmers coop, I was about to get the Hollytone, but then I saw they had processed Chicken manure, processed Cow manure, Worm Castings, and something called TTP Compost which looked full of good stuff.  Any thoughts? 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on April 07, 2014, 07:56:34 PM
Hi crazy folks!!!

is this a jabo sprouting?

(http://s11.postimg.cc/rjqr952tr/SAM_7372.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/rjqr952tr/)

very early to say, maybe, but to me it's similar to vexator...
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on April 07, 2014, 08:17:30 PM
so what if i have 3 in-ground, 5 in pots, and NEED aureana (white) and a grafted grimal (if that is even possible),  I don't have a problem.  I can quit any time.  I feel bad for others who are clearly out of control  ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: BMc on April 07, 2014, 09:37:45 PM
I shed a tear two weeks back when I went through the pots of the 15 or so varieties of Jab seeds I planted out didnt make it  :'( Wouldnt you know it, the only thing from that batch to come up was E dysinterica! hahahahahahasob.

Oh well, maybe having 10 Jab species planted out will be enough?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 07, 2014, 09:43:47 PM
I shed a tear two weeks back when I went through the pots of the 15 or so varieties of Jab seeds I planted out didnt make it  :'( Wouldnt you know it, the only thing from that batch to come up was E dysinterica! hahahahahahasob.

Oh well, maybe having 10 Jab species planted out will be enough?

10 will be enough...until you learn about a new one!  There's so many out there that are yet to be discovered.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: BMc on April 08, 2014, 05:43:11 AM
Can one of the Jabowizards out there help ID a few jablings I have? Here is the first.

(http://s23.postimg.cc/ie85g041z/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ie85g041z/)

(http://s23.postimg.cc/9hxdc2dfr/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9hxdc2dfr/)

(http://s23.postimg.cc/gwmp4fzbb/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/gwmp4fzbb/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: BMc on April 08, 2014, 05:45:04 AM
Here is the second. It has a label as 'Rio Jaboticaba'

(http://s7.postimg.cc/kv7lrg1dz/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/kv7lrg1dz/)

(http://s7.postimg.cc/eg8kuruo7/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/eg8kuruo7/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: BMc on April 08, 2014, 05:48:02 AM
Here is the third and final. If I remember correctly the three were originally said to be either trunciflora and or grandifolia. If anyone can help it'd be greatly appreciated.

(http://s2.postimg.cc/4s3cgyip1/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4s3cgyip1/)

(http://s2.postimg.cc/400ohrehx/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/400ohrehx/)

(http://s2.postimg.cc/6stw1seud/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6stw1seud/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 08, 2014, 09:21:28 AM
third is def grandifolia...second looks like it could be grandifolia as well...first might be trunciflora....one way to tell, is to check the new growth...grandiflora is fuzzy, trunciflora is totally hairless.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: LEOOEL on April 08, 2014, 11:32:31 PM
Ok, I consider myself a proud member of this club because I've had a seedling jaboticaba for over 10 years that hasn't ever fruited. But, I want to be a real member, I want fruit!

A few years ago, I found one at a nursery in a big pot with flowers, very pretty but not impressive and was for sale in the hundreds of dollars. Today, I've been pointed in the right direction by a reliable source, to jabo trees with flowers that are impressive and for about the same price as a few years ago, but still in the hundreds.

I'm 'gonna' try to find out a little bit more info., like what variety is it. I hope it's the 'Grimal' variety. I already have a great spot in the yard for this new jabo fruit tree addition to my fruit collection. This anticipation to get it is killing me. I feel a bit better now that I got this off my jaboticabaholic chest.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on April 08, 2014, 11:37:57 PM
mike has some red jabos (precocious) that are pretty large for under $100, if i recall.  Fruiting size...i know you want fruit yesterday so this may not help....just fyi

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: marklee on April 09, 2014, 01:50:27 AM
Ok, I consider myself a proud member of this club because I've had a seedling jaboticaba for over 10 years that hasn't ever fruited. But, I want to be a real member, I want fruit!

A few years ago, I found one at a nursery in a big pot with flowers, very pretty but not impressive and was for sale in the hundreds of dollars. Today, I've been pointed in the right direction by a reliable source, to jabo trees with flowers that are impressive and for about the same price as a few years ago, but still in the hundreds.

I'm 'gonna' try to find out a little bit more info., like what variety is it. I hope it's the 'Grimal' variety. I already have a great spot in the yard for this new jabo fruit tree addition to my fruit collection. This anticipation to get it is killing me. I feel a bit better now that I got this off my jaboticabaholic chest.
Mine had the same problem 10-12 year old, I took a bat to the trunk, (just one swing), pruned it heavily and 3 months later it started behaving.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on April 09, 2014, 07:05:35 AM
just like the old electronics method of hitting the vcr or whatever....once just might do it, but frequently, over time, it will break for good.  Sounds you you may need to give it the old Love Tap, Leo. 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: LEOOEL on April 10, 2014, 02:04:06 AM
Will try just about anything at this point.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on April 11, 2014, 11:55:58 AM
Ok, I consider myself a proud member of this club because I've had a seedling jaboticaba for over 10 years that hasn't ever fruited. But, I want to be a real member, I want fruit!

A few years ago, I found one at a nursery in a big pot with flowers, very pretty but not impressive and was for sale in the hundreds of dollars. Today, I've been pointed in the right direction by a reliable source, to jabo trees with flowers that are impressive and for about the same price as a few years ago, but still in the hundreds.

I'm 'gonna' try to find out a little bit more info., like what variety is it. I hope it's the 'Grimal' variety. I already have a great spot in the yard for this new jabo fruit tree addition to my fruit collection. This anticipation to get it is killing me. I feel a bit better now that I got this off my jaboticabaholic chest.
Mine had the same problem 10-12 year old, I took a bat to the trunk, (just one swing), pruned it heavily and 3 months later it started behaving.
I like your attitude Mark, when my trees get older and don't flower I'll know what to do! ;) 8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 13, 2014, 05:40:47 PM
some pictures from my friends house...he's got a great collection of fruit trees...(myrciarias)


Bart Simpson would be proud of this slingshot....check out the dual scions on this grafted M. trunciflora
(http://s10.postimg.cc/3oervqtyd/4_12_2014_036.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3oervqtyd/)
whole tree
(http://s10.postimg.cc/6rfhz48x1/4_12_2014_037.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6rfhz48x1/)

a 4 yr old red jabos first fruiting...been planted for 2yrs...still less than 5ft tall...in quite a bit of shade, right underneath an oak tree.
(http://s10.postimg.cc/5hhok2f51/4_12_2014_045.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5hhok2f51/)
(http://s10.postimg.cc/3s8lbzzfp/4_12_2014_031.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3s8lbzzfp/)
Grimal with decent crop...not a bumper crop though.
(http://s10.postimg.cc/s7gtd1ycl/4_12_2014_028.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/s7gtd1ycl/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on April 13, 2014, 06:24:19 PM
Adam: are those jabos producing fruit right now? I hope my red hybrids would bear fruit when 4 years old :-D for now they are just 10cm to 15cm tall

By the way: here we are in autumn, it's getting cold and we have 4º C min, 20º C max, would be wise to move these tiny babies indoors? I mean: they are in places were there will be no frosts in winter, but will be really cold... (1º C min, 10º C max)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 13, 2014, 06:43:53 PM
Adam: are those jabos producing fruit right now? I hope my red hybrids would bear fruit when 4 years old :-D for now they are just 10cm to 15cm tall

By the way: here we are in autumn, it's getting cold and we have 4º C min, 20º C max, would be wise to move these tiny babies indoors? I mean: they are in places were there will be no frosts in winter, but will be really cold... (1º C min, 10º C max)

yes the grimal and Red are both fruiting except the grafted M. trunciflora.

if u look close at both pics of the red jaboticaba you can see fruits on the trunk.

I would recommend to protect the tree from freezing weather just to be safe...but I know they can handle a brief freeze...and might benefit from the cold weather when they are older.

in my experience with the Red jabo (sabara, grimal, trunciflora and other similar species), the cold weather strips the leaves..and exposes more light to the branches...so it will flower more, and produce more fruits.

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on April 13, 2014, 08:25:55 PM
Adam what's he doing to keep the trunc so healthy and the leaves so green?  I wish mine was like that!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 13, 2014, 08:49:42 PM
Adam what's he doing to keep the trunc so healthy and the leaves so green?  I wish mine was like that!

nice acid pH, and well water...being in shade can help too.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kgknight on April 13, 2014, 10:03:38 PM
I tested my well water once with a kit and it tested neutral so I bet that's what's working against me.  Anyone else notice that their well water is neutral or even a touch alkaline?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 13, 2014, 10:13:34 PM
I tested my well water once with a kit and it tested neutral so I bet that's what's working against me.  Anyone else notice that their well water is neutral or even a touch alkaline?

yes..well water ph can be variable...i notice people who have lots of sulfur  in their well water, who seem to have trouble keeping M. vexator happy...it's almost like giving M. aureana city water.....but M. vexator doesn't mind city water..at least not at my house...with chlorine so bad u can smell it.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: xshen on April 30, 2014, 06:53:14 PM
It appears that I am going to have a few jabos to enjoy from a couple of grafts done a few months ago.  They are starting to ripen up and the bigger one is a bit bigger than a quarter!

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3768/12309520794_e48cfd5356_b.jpg)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7145/13709228545_20847bca58_b.jpg)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7443/13888160790_4eb9a986f1_b.jpg)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7324/14094817413_33a6d27335_b.jpg)


Grandifolia
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5311/14072860511_7ef8d86962_b.jpg)

paulista parked on a large sabara
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7362/14072892072_8023a32fee_b.jpg)

White, grimal, and grandifolia.  The grimal graft on the lower left was eaten back by a locust.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7325/14052927656_f5542ee80c_b.jpg)

Another Grimal growing rampantly
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7389/14076030225_8953c7201e_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 30, 2014, 07:35:38 PM
very cool!

I can't see the pics though...

what variety did u graft?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: xshen on May 01, 2014, 11:42:26 AM
very cool!

I can't see the pics though...

what variety did u graft?

The pictures should be fixed.  The fruiting branches are from a mature sabara tree.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 01, 2014, 07:03:40 PM
cool beans!
(http://s29.postimg.cc/pfwj2myhf/coolbeans.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/pfwj2myhf/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Zambezi on May 02, 2014, 07:11:42 PM
Xshen,

Nice!! It's great to see a graft flower and fruit so quickly..:) Great job!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: rac78 on May 11, 2014, 10:28:31 PM
I'm so envious , I want 1 of each preferably 3 of each. so many varieties out there for me to track down, I'm sure all our grandchildren will appreciate the fruits of our labour of love, even if we don't get to live long enough to see them all flower and fruit. I'm hoping my new obsession with collecting fruit trees doesn't get too bad, i'm itching to get new seed everyday now. Is this what an addiction feels like?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: LEOOEL on May 27, 2014, 07:36:49 PM
I'm well on my way to full membership on this Club. Over the weekend I traveled hundreds of miles (no kidding) to meet up with Jaboticaba Yogui-Master ASaffron. I asked for guidance from the master about a jaboticaba that I've had for well over 10 years waiting for it to fruit. Sure enough, the master gave me a new jaboticaba fruit tree which he said would fruit in about 3-4 years, and I was the wiser for my effort. Jabo Master ASaffron showed me some of his fruit trees, many had fruit on them, impressive for this time of year. The ones that made the biggest impression werer the Jaboticabas. I struggled a bit to control my amazement at the sight of these trees full of fruit. Up to then, I had only seen such things in pictures, videos, and in far off lands like Brazil. I crossed a threshold when Adam invited me to taste a Jaboticaba for the first time in my life, it was almost akin to a religious experience. There was no doubt I was in the presence of a fruit tree master. - Thanks Adam for showing me some of your wonderful fruit trees, I really enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 27, 2014, 07:45:35 PM
I'm well on my way to full membership on this Club. Over the weekend I traveled hundreds of miles (no kidding) to meet up with Jaboticaba Yogui-Master ASaffron. I asked for guidance from the master about a jaboticaba that I've had for well over 10 years waiting for it to fruit. Sure enough, the master gave me a new jaboticaba fruit tree which he said would fruit in about 3-4 years, and I was the wiser for my effort. Jabo Master ASaffron showed me some of his fruit trees, many had fruit on them, impressive for this time of year. The ones that made the biggest impression werer the Jaboticabas. I struggled a bit to control my amazement at the sight of these trees full of fruit. I crossed a threshold when Adam invited me to taste a Jaboticaba for the first time in my life, it was almost akin to a religious experience. There was no doubt I was in the presence of a fruit tree master. - Thanks Adam for showing me some of your wonderful fruit trees, I really enjoyed it.

Hahaha!

great to have met you!  Thankfully the trees are pretty much everbearing...because I had fruit available to get you hooked!

you have completed the first step of myrciaria mastery...you have recognized your addiction!

 ;D

PS...try growing your Red jabo in a pot for the next 2-3 yrs...they will usuallyl fruit much faster that way.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FRUITBOXHERO on May 27, 2014, 10:01:03 PM
I'm well on my way to full membership on this Club. Over the weekend I traveled hundreds of miles (no kidding) to meet up with Jaboticaba Yogui-Master ASaffron. I asked for guidance from the master about a jaboticaba that I've had for well over 10 years waiting for it to fruit. Sure enough, the master gave me a new jaboticaba fruit tree which he said would fruit in about 3-4 years, and I was the wiser for my effort. Jabo Master ASaffron showed me some of his fruit trees, many had fruit on them, impressive for this time of year. The ones that made the biggest impression werer the Jaboticabas. I struggled a bit to control my amazement at the sight of these trees full of fruit. Up to then, I had only seen such things in pictures, videos, and in far off lands like Brazil. I crossed a threshold when Adam invited me to taste a Jaboticaba for the first time in my life, it was almost akin to a religious experience. There was no doubt I was in the presence of a fruit tree master. - Thanks Adam for showing me some of your wonderful fruit trees, I really enjoyed it.
LEOOEL, I wish I knew you were going up there, I would of carpooled with you!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on May 28, 2014, 12:08:17 AM
I'm well on my way to full membership on this Club. Over the weekend I traveled hundreds of miles (no kidding) to meet up with Jaboticaba Yogui-Master ASaffron. I asked for guidance from the master about a jaboticaba that I've had for well over 10 years waiting for it to fruit. Sure enough, the master gave me a new jaboticaba fruit tree which he said would fruit in about 3-4 years, and I was the wiser for my effort. Jabo Master ASaffron showed me some of his fruit trees, many had fruit on them, impressive for this time of year. The ones that made the biggest impression werer the Jaboticabas. I struggled a bit to control my amazement at the sight of these trees full of fruit. I crossed a threshold when Adam invited me to taste a Jaboticaba for the first time in my life, it was almost akin to a religious experience. There was no doubt I was in the presence of a fruit tree master. - Thanks Adam for showing me some of your wonderful fruit trees, I really enjoyed it.

Hahaha!

great to have met you!  Thankfully the trees are pretty much everbearing...because I had fruit available to get you hooked!

you have completed the first step of myrciaria mastery...you have recognized your addiction!

 ;D

PS...try growing your Red jabo in a pot for the next 2-3 yrs...they will usuallyl fruit much faster that way.

any idea how much longer if growing reds in-ground?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on May 28, 2014, 07:22:29 AM
I have a few questions for perhaps the Master of Myrciaria, the King of Cauliflory, the Sultan of Sabara, the Prince of Plinia. Maybe a warm up series of questions needing just quick answers, before hitting the stage and being called back for multiple encores would help.

Is the scarlet/scarlet a cross between white and red hybrid?
Why do my coronata restingia and common cornonata seedlings look so different?
Are the fruit of M.oblongata sour?
Does M.grandiflora take a long time to reach fruiting age?
Is M.quaquieba a worthwhile species to grow as I have a few seedlings?
Should the seedlings of different white jaboticaba varieties look really different from each other?
Is it normal for M.trunciflora to be really slow growing?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Soren on May 28, 2014, 08:00:41 AM
Regarding your last question Mike - and the only one I can answer (not being the Master of Myrciaria, the King of Cauliflory, the Sultan of Sabara nor the Prince of Plinia); my M. trunciflora have been amongst the quickest growing Myrciaria spp. I have had. Got seeds from Carlos V 7-9 years back or so and were amazed about the speed, as Myrciaria spp. are usually consider 'slow'. Can imagine parent ecotype, soil, humidity, shade/sun exposure, fertilizing etc. and more of that did play a big role in it, but I actually neglected them a bit so its not because of my caretaking.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on May 28, 2014, 08:22:30 AM
Soren thanks for that and it is the same source as my seeds about a year ago, Have yours fruited yet?
Altogether I have had seeds of 6 varieties of trunciflora but only one sprouted that did not have a variety specified.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Soren on May 28, 2014, 09:18:23 AM
Soren thanks for that and it is the same source as my seeds about a year ago, Have yours fruited yet?
Altogether I have had seeds of 6 varieties of trunciflora but only one sprouted that did not have a variety specified.

No - mine are in pots and still neglected, but age-wise they should be close to fruiting age...
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 28, 2014, 10:45:50 AM
I have a few questions for perhaps the Master of Myrciaria, the King of Cauliflory, the Sultan of Sabara, the Prince of Plinia. Maybe a warm up series of questions needing just quick answers, before hitting the stage and being called back for multiple encores would help.

Is the scarlet/scarlet a cross between white and red hybrid?
Why do my coronata restingia and common cornonata seedlings look so different?
Are the fruit of M.oblongata sour?
Does M.grandiflora take a long time to reach fruiting age?
Is M.quaquieba a worthwhile species to grow as I have a few seedlings?
Should the seedlings of different white jaboticaba varieties look really different from each other?
Is it normal for M.trunciflora to be really slow growing?

Is the scarlet/scarlet a cross between white and red hybrid?

yes, I hear it is basically a hybrid of the hybrid. I believe the components are the Red (hybrid) and the white.

Why do my coronata restingia and common cornonata seedlings look so different?

there are so many variations of this species it's amazing (something like M. cauliflora)...hopefully it's just this species exhibiting it's vast diversity, not just some mislabeled seeds.
Are the fruit of M.oblongata sour?

Never tasted, but hear it has some good acidity....(much like some of the more acid types of M. cauliflora, where they use fruit for juices and processing...not so much eating out of hand)
Does M.grandiflora take a long time to reach fruiting age?

yes I believe so...a bit longer than the common Sabara....but not as long as coronata or trunciflora...but I can't be for sure...I don't have any fruiting trees yet....but maybe this is a testament to it's non-precocity...I have seen some trees about 7-8yrs old...no fruit yet.

Is M.quaquieba a worthwhile species to grow as I have a few seedlings?

You mean M. guaquiea?  Yes I think it's worthwhile, but may not be an easy species to grow for those who struggle with high pH, or only have city water...I'm still testing this species...grows super slow....looks sensitive...but time will tell...the fruit is supposed to be great.

Should the seedlings of different white jaboticaba varieties look really different from each other?

I have noticed a great deal of variation within this species, even from seeds planted from the same batch, same source.

Is it normal for M.trunciflora to be really slow growing?

this species actually grows somewhat swiftly (when it's growing)...faster than Sabara in my opinion....putting on long 2ft shoots during spring and summer.....but man this tree gets tall!  and takes forever to fruit....over 15 yrs is what it took for a few growers in FL...despite the trees being very happy.....on a side note...try breaking some branches of this species with your hands....the wood is very brittle compared to sabara, or M. cauliflora...(and other similar species)...the species with brittle wood seem to enjoy some shade and wind protection.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 28, 2014, 10:48:28 AM
depends on soil pH (water pH), lighting, your cultural care, and if the seedling is an early bloomer..

some just take longer....like people maturing.

anywhere between 2.5-6 yrs...maybe longer if you have poor growing conditions.
I'm well on my way to full membership on this Club. Over the weekend I traveled hundreds of miles (no kidding) to meet up with Jaboticaba Yogui-Master ASaffron. I asked for guidance from the master about a jaboticaba that I've had for well over 10 years waiting for it to fruit. Sure enough, the master gave me a new jaboticaba fruit tree which he said would fruit in about 3-4 years, and I was the wiser for my effort. Jabo Master ASaffron showed me some of his fruit trees, many had fruit on them, impressive for this time of year. The ones that made the biggest impression werer the Jaboticabas. I struggled a bit to control my amazement at the sight of these trees full of fruit. I crossed a threshold when Adam invited me to taste a Jaboticaba for the first time in my life, it was almost akin to a religious experience. There was no doubt I was in the presence of a fruit tree master. - Thanks Adam for showing me some of your wonderful fruit trees, I really enjoyed it.

Hahaha!

great to have met you!  Thankfully the trees are pretty much everbearing...because I had fruit available to get you hooked!

you have completed the first step of myrciaria mastery...you have recognized your addiction!

 ;D

PS...try growing your Red jabo in a pot for the next 2-3 yrs...they will usuallyl fruit much faster that way.

any idea how much longer if growing reds in-ground?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on May 28, 2014, 12:32:04 PM
Not sure the best way to word this but here goes:

What types of jaboticaba have you encountered that have  adifferent growth habit than red hybrid or sabara.  I am especially interested in the growth habit of coronata, aureana, and Grimal varieties. 

Also, can coronata take a little shade, especially when young (a la jackfruit) until it grows up into the sun.  I want to plant one of my coronatas (crown 3) a few feet back from a fence with passionfruit on it so it'll be shaded a little until it reaches about 3-4 feet (2 feet now in a 3 gallon)


Thanks.  Hope that wasn't too confusing.  Every time I get "caught up" with your JA meetings, it seems like you have more species that I haven't heard of before.  Started with sabara and hybrid red, then grimal and crown, you really keep them coming!  FL just may be running amok with jabos in 20-30 years 8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 28, 2014, 03:19:37 PM
Not sure the best way to word this but here goes:

What types of jaboticaba have you encountered that have  adifferent growth habit than red hybrid or sabara.  I am especially interested in the growth habit of coronata, aureana, and Grimal varieties. 

Also, can coronata take a little shade, especially when young (a la jackfruit) until it grows up into the sun.  I want to plant one of my coronatas (crown 3) a few feet back from a fence with passionfruit on it so it'll be shaded a little until it reaches about 3-4 feet (2 feet now in a 3 gallon)


Thanks.  Hope that wasn't too confusing.  Every time I get "caught up" with your JA meetings, it seems like you have more species that I haven't heard of before.  Started with sabara and hybrid red, then grimal and crown, you really keep them coming!  FL just may be running amok with jabos in 20-30 years 8)

not sure what u mean by different growth habits...they each seem to have unique growth habits...while all being some what similar....there are too many varieties and variations to compare them all briefly.

most all of the jaboticabas can take shade...that is why they are so great...off hand, I can't think of one that demands full sun...but seems like full sun is best for maximum production on some varieties...not all of them though.

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on May 28, 2014, 03:50:28 PM
Adam thanks for the answers, you truly are a Prince.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on May 28, 2014, 06:26:40 PM
I have a few questions for perhaps the Master of Myrciaria, the King of Cauliflory, the Sultan of Sabara, the Prince of Plinia. Maybe a warm up series of questions needing just quick answers, before hitting the stage and being called back for multiple encores would help.

Is the scarlet/scarlet a cross between white and red hybrid?
Why do my coronata restingia and common cornonata seedlings look so different?
Are the fruit of M.oblongata sour?
Does M.grandiflora take a long time to reach fruiting age?
Is M.quaquieba a worthwhile species to grow as I have a few seedlings?
Should the seedlings of different white jaboticaba varieties look really different from each other?
Is it normal for M.trunciflora to be really slow growing?

M. guaquiquea is very similar fruit to cabelluda (yellow jaboticaba) M. glazioviana. Just that guaquiquea has larger fruit. This is what i heard from nursery in Brazil.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: LEOOEL on May 29, 2014, 10:02:30 PM
I'm well on my way to full membership on this Club. Over the weekend I traveled hundreds of miles (no kidding) to meet up with Jaboticaba Yogui-Master ASaffron. I asked for guidance from the master about a jaboticaba that I've had for well over 10 years waiting for it to fruit. Sure enough, the master gave me a new jaboticaba fruit tree which he said would fruit in about 3-4 years, and I was the wiser for my effort. Jabo Master ASaffron showed me some of his fruit trees, many had fruit on them, impressive for this time of year. The ones that made the biggest impression werer the Jaboticabas. I struggled a bit to control my amazement at the sight of these trees full of fruit. Up to then, I had only seen such things in pictures, videos, and in far off lands like Brazil. I crossed a threshold when Adam invited me to taste a Jaboticaba for the first time in my life, it was almost akin to a religious experience. There was no doubt I was in the presence of a fruit tree master. - Thanks Adam for showing me some of your wonderful fruit trees, I really enjoyed it.
LEOOEL, I wish I knew you were going up there, I would of carpooled with you!

I'll let you know beforehand the next time I head up there.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FRUITBOXHERO on June 03, 2014, 06:06:47 PM
Any of you guys ever taste a crown1? if so how is it? I just picked up one today DIRT CHEAP!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on June 03, 2014, 07:45:45 PM
It's my understanding that crown is M. coronata.  I have 1, 2, and 3 but haven't tasted them yet.  I think Adam has a thread on coronata and maybe even info on his website
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jack, Nipomo on June 03, 2014, 09:17:31 PM
Cut back my Paulista months ago as suggested, sorta like Oscar did.  Now I have buds all over the tree, especially where I cut off a limb division.

Now, that the experts are aboard...I have a Myrciaria jaboticaba - Jabuticaba capirinha from a fellow in Brazil.  One seed sprouted, totally different from all others I have sprouted (every one that Oscar offers).  The cotyledons are huge, and so far the single leaf is different from those I have seen and grown.  So....anybody familiar with Jabuticaba caipirinha or capirinha?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 03, 2014, 09:52:55 PM
jack

I have some of these caipirinhas...they dont appreciate high pH or city water

supposedly just like sabara, but smaller, and has small leaves....very sweet...good for bonsai and container culture.

mine are making a slow comeback...leaves are very small.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: davidgarcia899 on June 04, 2014, 10:04:02 AM
never heard of caipirinha, that sounds like one to add to the list
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jack, Nipomo on June 04, 2014, 10:06:47 AM
Thanks Adam... I wasn't sure if these were a true variety or not.  Guess so.

Thanks for info on pruning as I really slashed my big fruited Paulista and am now seeing little buds pushing all over.  That's more than I have ever had before.  And...this is the first year since slashing.  Looks like my other jaboticabas will be undergoing the same torture treatment. Another question: is that cruel treatment as effective on the other varieties of Jaboticaba?

Jack
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 04, 2014, 04:21:20 PM
Thanks Adam... I wasn't sure if these were a true variety or not.  Guess so.

Thanks for info on pruning as I really slashed my big fruited Paulista and am now seeing little buds pushing all over.  That's more than I have ever had before.  And...this is the first year since slashing.  Looks like my other jaboticabas will be undergoing the same torture treatment. Another question: is that cruel treatment as effective on the other varieties of Jaboticaba?

Jack


Jack....

not all Myrciaria/Plinia species benefit from such pruning....M. cauliflora, M. jaboticaba, M. aureana, M. coronata (these are some that should benefit from some pruning, to encourage old wood to get more light...and there are others that can be pruned)

but M. vexator, P. edulis, P. rivularis, M. glazioviana, M. strigipes, M. guaquiea, and others that don't fruit heavily on the caulis, will not benefit from pruning.


check out this Myrciaria species, (I haven't been able to identify)...it just fruited for the first time (in deep shade)....makes small black fruit...thicker pulp, with an acidic taste...(not much of a seed, but I only ate one fruit)...I really enjoyed this one.  I've never really had an acid tasting jaboticaba....the flavor was intense! 

(http://s14.postimg.cc/3w47g9nfh/6_4_2014_012.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3w47g9nfh/)

(http://s14.postimg.cc/vd7t50ov1/6_4_2014_013.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/vd7t50ov1/)

(http://s14.postimg.cc/k9ssd5syl/6_4_2014_014.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/k9ssd5syl/)

(http://s14.postimg.cc/d94skdr6l/6_4_2014_015.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/d94skdr6l/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Tropicaliste on June 04, 2014, 09:32:13 PM
Adam, the grafted Grimal I bought a while back from you has plenty of new leaves ... would you say Grimal prefers sun or shade? It gets filtered light.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 04, 2014, 09:47:36 PM
Adam, the grafted Grimal I bought a while back from you has plenty of new leaves ... would you say Grimal prefers sun or shade? It gets filtered light.

Full sun!

seems to actually enjoy city water!!!

doesn't enjoy excessive humidity or standing water (but doesn't mind a flood if grafted on sabara)....but can endure both...although foliage and fruits can be cosmetically affected by rust.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jack, Nipomo on June 04, 2014, 11:46:51 PM
Thanks Adam for the good advice.

Jack
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Tropicaliste on June 05, 2014, 03:50:11 PM
Thanks Adam, one more question.  What about M. Coronata? :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 05, 2014, 03:51:51 PM
Thanks Adam, one more question.  What about M. Coronata? :)

what about it?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Tropicaliste on June 05, 2014, 04:13:30 PM
Can they take full sun?  In your experience, what's the preferable water?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 05, 2014, 05:31:03 PM
Can they take full sun?  In your experience, what's the preferable water?

seems to handle full sun very well...but can also fruit in some shade....I think full sun is probably best.

They seem to enjoy plenty of water...and a ph of about 6-6.5.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Vietnamese Dragon fruit on June 09, 2014, 10:56:04 PM
hi all of my friends!
 I'm newcomer to this forum and also like Jaboticaba! I have just gotten these two Jabos' (about 1 year); wonder what kind of these Jabos' and how about the fruit in the future???!!
Please give me some ideas about these, all comments are wellcome!

(http://s30.postimg.cc/crgm6hk65/SDC10179.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/crgm6hk65/)

(http://s11.postimg.cc/lbqa97x27/SDC10180.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/lbqa97x27/)

Close up to the leaves!
(http://s7.postimg.cc/s78evf7d3/SDC10181.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/s78evf7d3/)

(http://s28.postimg.cc/v3f0zh1mh/SDC10182.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/v3f0zh1mh/)

thanks you very much and best regard!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on June 10, 2014, 12:45:37 AM
tasted my first jabos this weekend.  Vexator was a big two thumbs down, but sabara was quite tasty.  I even ate the sabara skin when i was done.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on June 28, 2014, 10:56:03 PM
Hi Jeff, thanks for the report. I read many times on the net that vexator is a very good fruit, even better than sabara... so, maybe there are some variations and/or your fruit came from a tree that lacks on some nutrient...
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on June 29, 2014, 01:23:12 AM
the flsh did taste of blueberry yogurt. but there's not much flesh and the skin is insipid.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: rac78 on June 30, 2014, 05:38:01 PM
Hi everyone, My name is Russell and I am only just coming to acceptance and now am able to admit I have a problem with jaboholisim. First step: admittance second step: the hunt third step: take a look

blue and black pots M.vexator, red pots Red Hybrid, purple pots Grimal, larger plant in orange pot Cambuca, small plant in orange pot P.rivularis(?) Um maybe.
(http://s13.postimg.cc/rxpdtj7fn/DSCN0056_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/rxpdtj7fn/)

These I are my M.aureana
(http://s18.postimg.cc/5pp148ayt/DSCN0058_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5pp148ayt/)

Coronata
(http://s30.postimg.cc/6aggjzwzh/DSCN0057_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6aggjzwzh/)

Not sure whats what yet but there is M.trunciflora and M.grandiflora
(http://s4.postimg.cc/eq6qu4mqh/DSCN0059_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/eq6qu4mqh/)

my M.glazioviana
(http://s27.postimg.cc/567j5sncv/DSCN0062_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/567j5sncv/)

I think front one is Grimal Back one I think is Sabara
(http://s27.postimg.cc/ygnotq5of/DSCN0063_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ygnotq5of/)

and this ones a mystery
(http://s7.postimg.cc/aj17oyjbb/DSCN0060_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/aj17oyjbb/)

(http://s7.postimg.cc/krtous7d3/DSCN0061_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/krtous7d3/)

I also have some seeds from that Plinia sp. Shawi, I hope they are the real deal. Hope you all like my babies and a big thanks to Mike and Bruce for your contributions to my collection. Thanks all



Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on June 30, 2014, 06:24:04 PM
Welcome Russell! that looks wow! When I subscribed to this group, I only had 3 plants of just one species: myrciaria jaboticaba, now (only 1 year later) I have many plants and 6 species, so this is an addiction for sure :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: BMc on June 30, 2014, 07:33:03 PM
Russ, looks like they came through the bare rooting with flying colours. They should recover well in a Cairns winter. It just dropped to 4c here last night, so they must be breathing a sigh of relief that they've woken up in warmer climes. I hope the guaquea survived the trip too.

Yes, the Grimal is at the front of your pic and the Sabara at the back. I'd start training them already, taking the side growing branches off. Makes for a nicer plant with the ornamental trunk showing and it does seem to make them flower earlier...
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 01, 2014, 01:06:54 AM
the flsh did taste of blueberry yogurt. but there's not much flesh and the skin is insipid.


when they are cared for properly, they can have lots of flesh!  but of course skin is thick and seeds are large....I still love the flavor...and several advantages for having this tree...it makes several crops per year, it's resistant to limerock soils, , more tolerant of coastal planting (than common jabos), it is very very ornamental, the fruits can sit on the tree for a long time without rotting (unlike common jabos), and because of the durable skins, they are almost impervious to bird attacks, and fruit flies of course.

and I wouldn't call the skins insipid..more like tart/tannic, and resinous...I don't mind this...but some people really detest the oils and tannins in the skins....(but this can be avoided by cutting the fruits with a knife before eating, and then sucking out pulp and seeds!)

here are some decent sized fruits...from my container grown trees...they were full of delicious pulp...
(http://s16.postimg.cc/z5agmlyw1/photo_82.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/z5agmlyw1/)
and yes, they had two big seeds, and thick tannic skins...not even a locust would eat!  but in my opinion very worth while to eat, and to grow!
(http://s16.postimg.cc/fbyctwli9/photo_81.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fbyctwli9/)
now when you get your tree in ground and get a good selection...the fruit can get closer to the size of small cambucas!  yes..the most giant fruits are usually loaded with about 3 very large seeds...but still have a nice amount of pulp to eat.  One of these fruits measured about 4cm in diameter.
(http://s16.postimg.cc/aeks8sjj5/photo_80.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/aeks8sjj5/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 01, 2014, 01:22:58 AM
Here is my unscholarly unqualified, unverified, uncensored unbiased unopinionated opinion....

Hi everyone, My name is Russell and I am only just coming to acceptance and now am able to admit I have a problem with jaboholisim. First step: admittance second step: the hunt third step: take a look

blue and black pots M.vexator, red pots Red Hybrid, purple pots Grimal, larger plant in orange pot Cambuca, small plant in orange pot P.rivularis(?) Um maybe.I see you got what I call the impostor P. rivularis...unlike the one described in Brazilian fruits!  but I know you will get the real one soon enough..you are an ambitious collector!
([url]http://s13.postimg.cc/rxpdtj7fn/DSCN0056_1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/rxpdtj7fn/[/url])

These I are my M.aureana Beautiful AUREANA....your collection has grown quickly!!!
([url]http://s18.postimg.cc/5pp148ayt/DSCN0058_1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/5pp148ayt/[/url])

Coronata very pretty, any idea which variety? looks like coronata to me, but not sure which one
([url]http://s30.postimg.cc/6aggjzwzh/DSCN0057_1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/6aggjzwzh/[/url])

Not sure whats what yet but there is M.trunciflora and M.grandiflorai think you are right..top two larger plants trunc...bottom Grand.
([url]http://s4.postimg.cc/eq6qu4mqh/DSCN0059_1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/eq6qu4mqh/[/url])

my M.glazioviana Pretty seedlings! nice yeller jabberz
([url]http://s27.postimg.cc/567j5sncv/DSCN0062_1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/567j5sncv/[/url])

I think front one is Grimal Back one I think is Sabara U R Correct SIR
([url]http://s27.postimg.cc/ygnotq5of/DSCN0063_1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/ygnotq5of/[/url])

and this ones a mystery
AUREANA
([url]http://s7.postimg.cc/aj17oyjbb/DSCN0060_1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/aj17oyjbb/[/url])
AUREANA
([url]http://s7.postimg.cc/krtous7d3/DSCN0061_1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/krtous7d3/[/url])

I also have some seeds from that Plinia sp. Shawi, I hope they are the real deal. Hope you all like my babies and a big thanks to Mike and Bruce for your contributions to my collection. Thanks all
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: rac78 on July 01, 2014, 02:26:23 AM
Thanks Adam, good to get an Id on that last aureana. Not sure what variety the coronate is, when it comes to training the jaboticabas do I take off all small side branches leaving only the main trunk and branches? is this correct. By doing this growth should focus on these main structural branches. It scares me to snip away any growth when I'm not exactly sure. I'll get one of your P.Rivularis when I get the Chance Adam, (Fingers crossed) I'm on the hunt.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on July 01, 2014, 02:50:30 AM

(http://s15.postimg.cc/5ji6g0wh3/SAM_0900.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5ji6g0wh3/)
The seedlings are quite distinctive and I just took this pic and left out red hybrid, vexator and grandiflora but put in most around the same size. Whites look a lot like Campomanesia lineatifolia,hell vexators look like Ficus benjamina. These ones would be a breeze for Adam.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on July 01, 2014, 03:26:28 AM
Rack them up Rac76! Nice collection you have. Definitely you are on early stage syndrome of jabo addiction. I'm selling the anti dote. It's something simllar to that given to heroin addicts so that they don't have to go cold turkey. HAHA
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: BMc on July 01, 2014, 06:06:20 AM
Russ, the coronata are restinga.
Mike, C. lineatifolia doesn't look like M. aureana. It has crinkly leaves that remind me more of mulberry or something than any jaboticaba. I noticed you had a few plants labelled with as perfume guava that was really a myrciaria...
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on July 01, 2014, 06:40:52 AM
BMc there is mass hallucination in Brazil as these Campomanesia came from 2 sources and I was surprised they looked like white jaboticaba from Taiwan rather than white jaboticaba var. rosa. I have a number of other Campo species that look not unlike yellow and white jaboticaba as well. My 2 coronata types look really different and the M.oblongatas look like grimals.I am pretty sure I got the C.lineatiflora correct...I think I'm sure.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: BMc on July 01, 2014, 07:15:31 AM
Google image search the leaves. Big and crinkly. Plus, there is a fruiting one at a mates place here, so I reckon the big crinkly leaves are spot on. Can't imagine there bei enough diversity that the same species would have large crumpled leaves and small pointed deeply indented veins on the same species?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on July 01, 2014, 07:53:57 AM
Bruce you're correct and I was scratching my head about that. The only explanation is someone pulled a switchero between my 3 pots of lisa white jaboticaba and 3 pots of C.lineatifolia and none of the latter sprouted. Thanks for pointing that out. Suddenly I have 6 white jaboticaba of 3 varieties planted out instead of 3 of 2 varieties.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 01, 2014, 11:03:32 AM
Russ,

I was hoping u got the M. coronata var. Restinga.

I hear this one is not as large of a tree, and is somewhat precocious...fruiting in less than 8 yrs (sometimes).

it makes a beastly fruit...bigger than most other coronatas I've seen...or any other purple fruited Myrciaria for that matter...

although there is one bigger!  I believe another type of coronata...makes fruits same size as cambuca.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on July 01, 2014, 05:19:21 PM
Saff I had seeds that didn't grow of about 5 other coronata varieties and the 2 largest fruiting types (golf ball +) were identified.I think one was gold crown and the other had giant in the variety name.There was another very large fruiting type where the name escapes me.I think the coronata x sabara is precocious.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on July 19, 2014, 12:18:43 AM
Hi guys, I am suffering a lot, see:

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=11683.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=11683.0)

really dont know what are them.... :S, sabara, paulista?

I cant sleep!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on August 04, 2014, 12:22:35 AM
Great info from Cassio
"I think a good option for the pot is Jabuticaba Hybrid, which produces faster. Can u find seedlings of this variety with a metro and already producing.
But the pot needs to be large anyway, at least about 50 cm and a mouth 80 cm. ;)
Before placing the seedling in the pot, a caution: when jabuticabeira has approximately 04 years old and is on sale in those plastic containers, sometimes the taproot has hit bottom and is turning to the side. If this root get in the container wall, it will turn up and grow in the opposite direction and, rise to the surface, the seedling will die (is what they call ill of 04 years). To avoid the problem, before transplanting the seedling carefully pour and cut only the bottom of the container to see how the root. If it is turned to the side, cut it exactly at the point where they meet. Then you can plant the plant or peaceful feel. Who taught me this was the father of a colleague, who gave me two seedlings of hybrid blemish. In both, I had to cut the tip of the root as described above. See photos in which plants were felt"

"Creio que uma boa opção para vaso é a Jabuticaba Híbrida, que produz mais rápido. É possível vc encontrar mudas desta variedade com um metro e já produzindo.
Mas o vaso precisará ser grande de qualquer forma, com pelo menos uns 50 cm de boca e uns 80 cm de altura. ;)
Antes de colocar a muda no vaso, um cuidado: quando a jabuticabeira tem aproximadamente 04 anos de idade e está à venda naqueles containers plásticos, por vezes a raiz principal já atingiu o fundo e está virando para a lateral. Se esta raiz chegar na parede do container, ela irá virar para cima e crescer no sentido contrário e, se aflorar à superfície, a muda morrerá (é o que chamam de mal dos 04 anos). Para se evitar o problema, antes do transplante deite a muda com cuidado e corte apenas o fundo do container para ver como está a raiz. Se ela estiver virada para o lado, corte-a exatamente no ponto onde ela se dobra. Depois, pode plantar sossegado que a planta nem sentirá. Quem me ensinou isso foi o pai de um colega, que me deu as duas mudas de jabuticaba híbrida. Em ambas, precisei cortar a ponta da raiz conforme descrevi acima. Veja nas fotos que as plantas não sentiram"
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on August 04, 2014, 12:49:59 PM
Huertas....

thanks for sharing the information, although I'm not sure I understand the translation.

I've never noticed this "Ill of 4 yrs".

btw, one thing I've noticed so far when comparing Escarlate to Precoce (red Jabo)....its that the escarlate is much more sensitive to high pH (something like M. aureana)...so this is a bit disappointing for me.

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on August 04, 2014, 11:48:16 PM
Huertas....

thanks for sharing the information, although I'm not sure I understand the translation.

I've never noticed this "Ill of 4 yrs".

btw, one thing I've noticed so far when comparing Escarlate to Precoce (red Jabo)....its that the escarlate is much more sensitive to high pH (something like M. aureana)...so this is a bit disappointing for me.
Oh do prey tell jaboticaba sage, what are the other main differences between red and scarlet besides pH tolerance. Maybe this was covered before but if so i missed it. I'm a bit confused because scarlet is just a shade of red. What is the ancestry, and how is it really different from the red? Befuddled in Hawaii.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on August 05, 2014, 10:16:10 PM
well Oscar,

this is my understanding:

escarlate is generally more precocious, usually taking only 3-4 yrs from seed..unlike Red jabo which can take 3-5yrs...also the fruit of escarlate supposed to have superior flavor when compared to red jabo.

I believe escarlate is the Red jabo, back crossed to M. aureana....

Probably making it even more like the white jabo, which has very low tannin, and thin skin.

but also, the white jabo is more sensitve than M. cauliflora...so it inherits the intolerance to city water or high ph..

on the other hand the Red jabo is quite resilient...and can be grown on lime rock as long as you regularly drench with chelated Fe, or take other measures to reduce pH

keep in mind my observations about Escarlate's sensitivity to pH are preliminary... I will know more as my plants progress..so far they are much less vigorous than Red jabos though.

Huertas....

thanks for sharing the information, although I'm not sure I understand the translation.

I've never noticed this "Ill of 4 yrs".

btw, one thing I've noticed so far when comparing Escarlate to Precoce (red Jabo)....its that the escarlate is much more sensitive to high pH (something like M. aureana)...so this is a bit disappointing for me.
Oh do prey tell jaboticaba sage, what are the other main differences between red and scarlet besides pH tolerance. Maybe this was covered before but if so i missed it. I'm a bit confused because scarlet is just a shade of red. What is the ancestry, and how is it really different from the red? Befuddled in Hawaii.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on August 07, 2014, 04:53:29 AM
well Oscar,

this is my understanding:

escarlate is generally more precocious, usually taking only 3-4 yrs from seed..unlike Red jabo which can take 3-5yrs...also the fruit of escarlate supposed to have superior flavor when compared to red jabo.

I believe escarlate is the Red jabo, back crossed to M. aureana....

Probably making it even more like the white jabo, which has very low tannin, and thin skin.

but also, the white jabo is more sensitve than M. cauliflora...so it inherits the intolerance to city water or high ph..

on the other hand the Red jabo is quite resilient...and can be grown on lime rock as long as you regularly drench with chelated Fe, or take other measures to reduce pH

keep in mind my observations about Escarlate's sensitivity to pH are preliminary... I will know more as my plants progress..so far they are much less vigorous than Red jabos though.

Huertas....

thanks for sharing the information, although I'm not sure I understand the translation.

I've never noticed this "Ill of 4 yrs".

btw, one thing I've noticed so far when comparing Escarlate to Precoce (red Jabo)....its that the escarlate is much more sensitive to high pH (something like M. aureana)...so this is a bit disappointing for me.
Oh do prey tell jaboticaba sage, what are the other main differences between red and scarlet besides pH tolerance. Maybe this was covered before but if so i missed it. I'm a bit confused because scarlet is just a shade of red. What is the ancestry, and how is it really different from the red? Befuddled in Hawaii.
Thanks Adam for the good info!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on August 08, 2014, 05:25:08 PM
Look what I found....a 45 gal M. trunciflora!

So pretty I had to take her home with me....where she belongs.


(http://s8.postimg.cc/l3nyggd8h/photo_3_5.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/l3nyggd8h/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on August 08, 2014, 10:44:26 PM
Wow that's one huge tree nice find Adam 8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Tropicaliste on August 09, 2014, 12:20:57 AM
"where she belongs"...that's healthy...   ::)  :P j/k, as if I could resist a plant myself ...
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on August 19, 2014, 09:59:38 PM
Hi

This video is perfect for this group!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5GF9o4oWWo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5GF9o4oWWo)

(I'm teetotal ... I dont want to incite the worst of the sins: Jaboticaba mix with alcohol, would leave us in various groups for anonymous addicts!)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on September 01, 2014, 03:56:32 PM
i've had a few people ask me, how long can a jaboticaba tree live?

my guess is anywhere from 40-200+ yrs, depending on the species (or variety)...

maybe I'm way off?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: PltdWorld on September 01, 2014, 04:49:27 PM
Adam, is there anything unique among the jaboticabas I found while in Brazil (or are they all common)?  I think the jaboticaba is my favorite landscape tree.

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=12360.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=12360.0)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on September 01, 2014, 05:04:16 PM
Adam, is there anything unique among the jaboticabas I found while in Brazil (or are they all common)?  I think the jaboticaba is my favorite landscape tree.

[url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=12360.0[/url] ([url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=12360.0[/url])


nice photos...looks like u got some Sabara, Red jabo (precocoe, hibrida), and maybe some M. cauliflora...

hard to say for sure what some of the dark black fruits are....
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: PltdWorld on September 01, 2014, 05:09:11 PM
Thanks Adam... hopefully will get some of the seeds from black fruit to germinate so we can ID for certain.  I figured sabara since its so common, but couldn't find sabara in fruit anywhere I went.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Dangermouse01 on October 21, 2014, 04:18:47 PM
I'm in!  ;D  Finally got a flower forming on one of my jaboticabas.
On my white jabo. There are a few more flower buds on the white also.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Jaboticaba/White-jabo_14-10-21_zps8ef4e324.jpg)

The grimal looks like it is getting ready to put some buds out also.

DM
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 21, 2014, 04:27:25 PM
Congrats!!

not many of these fruiting in USA! 

the fruits are easy to miss...they blend in with the foliage, and stay green even when ripe....birds are oblivious...I bet fruit flies have trouble seeing them too!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: BMc on October 23, 2014, 06:47:52 AM
Dropped around to a friends place earlier this week and his jabs were just finishing their first crop. He has a nice sized sabara and a tall Grimal. He also has a fruiting white jab, but it's not cropping yet - later in the summer. A few pics

Sabara, with many fruits knocked to the ground by the bats.

(http://s1.postimg.cc/d3kmksuhn/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/d3kmksuhn/)

(http://s1.postimg.cc/np4hwt0t7/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/np4hwt0t7/)

(http://s1.postimg.cc/nnuk3dyzf/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/nnuk3dyzf/)

Grimal

(http://s7.postimg.cc/jpm2sqn47/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/jpm2sqn47/)

(http://s7.postimg.cc/hwj64f1xj/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/hwj64f1xj/)

(http://s7.postimg.cc/78ff5kryf/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/78ff5kryf/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: davidgarcia899 on October 23, 2014, 09:07:21 AM
is tha a koala doll in the sabra?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: BMc on October 23, 2014, 07:26:07 PM
Its a wombat hand puppet. He has a few in trees, which I am pretty sure is just to warn off possums, who will destroy a crop in a night. They are territorial, so animal dolls in trees can fool them for a while - hopefully near as long as your crop ripens.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on October 26, 2014, 12:31:55 PM
Nice trees beautiful fruit! 8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: CGameProgrammer on November 07, 2014, 02:12:15 PM
Are jaboticabas self-fertile? I'm considering buying a red jaboticaba but only have room for one.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on November 07, 2014, 02:38:20 PM
"Myrciaria cauliflora is fairly cold-hardy and will tolerate temperatures in the mid-lower 20° F range for short periods.  They grow best in full sun to part shade.  The root system is shallow and trees will benefit from supplemental irrigation during dry periods.  Trees are self-pollinating but fruit production will be increased with cross-pollination."

http://growerjim.blogspot.com/2010/09/jaboticaba-myrciaria-cauliflora.html (http://growerjim.blogspot.com/2010/09/jaboticaba-myrciaria-cauliflora.html)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 07, 2014, 02:39:24 PM
Are jaboticabas self-fertile? I'm considering buying a red jaboticaba but only have room for one.

yes!!!!!!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on November 07, 2014, 02:44:04 PM
Red Jaboticaba seems to be the perfect fruit tree. 

It has cold tolerance
It is precocious
It is self-fertile
It is ornamental
It can take some shade

A gift of the fruit Gods!!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on November 08, 2014, 05:11:27 AM
"Myrciaria cauliflora is fairly cold-hardy and will tolerate temperatures in the mid-lower 20° F range for short periods.  They grow best in full sun to part shade.  The root system is shallow and trees will benefit from supplemental irrigation during dry periods.  Trees are self-pollinating but fruit production will be increased with cross-pollination."

[url]http://growerjim.blogspot.com/2010/09/jaboticaba-myrciaria-cauliflora.html[/url] ([url]http://growerjim.blogspot.com/2010/09/jaboticaba-myrciaria-cauliflora.html[/url])


That is a direct quote from the Morton book. But really there is no proof that jaboticabas fruit better in groups. Definitely they are self pollinating. It's never been shown, as far as i know, that trees fruit better in groups.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: tropical66 on November 29, 2014, 12:21:23 AM
Hi All,

Help me please! Need to know what type of Myrciaria or Plinia seedlings in the picture below:

(http://s11.postimg.cc/a290dedzz/20141129_123942.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/a290dedzz/)

(http://s11.postimg.cc/fexurj1wf/20141129_123953.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fexurj1wf/)

(http://s11.postimg.cc/acgiwqsm7/20141129_124005.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/acgiwqsm7/)

(http://s11.postimg.cc/xf71vwu3j/20141129_124023.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/xf71vwu3j/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: BMc on November 29, 2014, 07:12:41 AM
Hoping for a first fruiting on my sabara. Third flowering coming on now.

Is it usual for sabara to throw grape like clusters of flowers? Most of the flowers are arranged in clusters on a single stalk, up to ten on each. I've seen them set multiple flowers on multiple stalks from a single flowering node, but I can't recall seeing this flower arrangement. Not that I've ever really looked that hard, mind you.


(http://s15.postimg.cc/43bfxnevr/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/43bfxnevr/)

(http://s15.postimg.cc/tktuh8wlz/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tktuh8wlz/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 29, 2014, 08:45:36 PM
hard to say for sure, but looks a lot like M. cauliflora hybrid (Red jabo, aka Precoce, aka Hibrida)

might be something else, like M. phitrantha, but it is not as likely.

Hi All,

Help me please! Need to know what type of Myrciaria or Plinia seedlings in the picture below:

([url]http://s11.postimg.cc/a290dedzz/20141129_123942.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/a290dedzz/[/url])

([url]http://s11.postimg.cc/fexurj1wf/20141129_123953.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/fexurj1wf/[/url])

([url]http://s11.postimg.cc/acgiwqsm7/20141129_124005.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/acgiwqsm7/[/url])

([url]http://s11.postimg.cc/xf71vwu3j/20141129_124023.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/xf71vwu3j/[/url])
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 29, 2014, 08:47:18 PM
interesting photo..i've seen them do some weird stuff like this before...it could be in response to the branch being pruned.

Hoping for a first fruiting on my sabara. Third flowering coming on now.

Is it usual for sabara to throw grape like clusters of flowers? Most of the flowers are arranged in clusters on a single stalk, up to ten on each. I've seen them set multiple flowers on multiple stalks from a single flowering node, but I can't recall seeing this flower arrangement. Not that I've ever really looked that hard, mind you.


([url]http://s15.postimg.cc/43bfxnevr/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/43bfxnevr/[/url])

([url]http://s15.postimg.cc/tktuh8wlz/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/tktuh8wlz/[/url])
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: BMc on November 30, 2014, 04:22:03 AM
interesting photo..i've seen them do some weird stuff like this before...it could be in response to the branch being pruned.

Hoping for a first fruiting on my sabara. Third flowering coming on now.

Is it usual for sabara to throw grape like clusters of flowers? Most of the flowers are arranged in clusters on a single stalk, up to ten on each. I've seen them set multiple flowers on multiple stalks from a single flowering node, but I can't recall seeing this flower arrangement. Not that I've ever really looked that hard, mind you.


([url]http://s15.postimg.cc/43bfxnevr/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/43bfxnevr/[/url])

([url]http://s15.postimg.cc/tktuh8wlz/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/tktuh8wlz/[/url])



The tree also has the same flowers three quarters the way up branches, so not just in response to pruning. These are the first low down flowers. Hope they set in bunches. That would be fun.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: tropical66 on November 30, 2014, 07:52:50 AM
hard to say for sure, but looks a lot like M. cauliflora hybrid (Red jabo, aka Precoce, aka Hibrida)

might be something else, like M. phitrantha, but it is not as likely.

Hi All,

Help me please! Need to know what type of Myrciaria or Plinia seedlings in the picture below:

([url]http://s11.postimg.cc/a290dedzz/20141129_123942.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/a290dedzz/[/url])

([url]http://s11.postimg.cc/fexurj1wf/20141129_123953.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/fexurj1wf/[/url])

([url]http://s11.postimg.cc/acgiwqsm7/20141129_124005.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/acgiwqsm7/[/url])

([url]http://s11.postimg.cc/xf71vwu3j/20141129_124023.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/xf71vwu3j/[/url])



Hi Adam, thanks for the informations.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 30, 2014, 12:14:08 PM
one of my red jaboticabas did this before, but it was only temporary...

I'm betting this is the case with your tree...if not let me know!

interesting photo..i've seen them do some weird stuff like this before...it could be in response to the branch being pruned.

Hoping for a first fruiting on my sabara. Third flowering coming on now.

Is it usual for sabara to throw grape like clusters of flowers? Most of the flowers are arranged in clusters on a single stalk, up to ten on each. I've seen them set multiple flowers on multiple stalks from a single flowering node, but I can't recall seeing this flower arrangement. Not that I've ever really looked that hard, mind you.


([url]http://s15.postimg.cc/43bfxnevr/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/43bfxnevr/[/url])

([url]http://s15.postimg.cc/tktuh8wlz/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/tktuh8wlz/[/url])



The tree also has the same flowers three quarters the way up branches, so not just in response to pruning. These are the first low down flowers. Hope they set in bunches. That would be fun.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bush2Beach on December 15, 2014, 12:50:49 PM
My Jaboticaba journey is underway. Here is my little collection in Northern California.

2 Grimal's up top. Bottom right is Vexator. Bottom left Cambuca. Red Jabo middle right. I am trying to ID the plants in the middle.
(http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy53/actionphoto7/fc1414d1dc46d2f602725b8ef7d4949a.jpg)

Please help ID these Jaboticaba. The top plant is Red.
(http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy53/actionphoto7/1aa1da64f87c403d255864e7b760391f.jpg)

.????
(http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy53/actionphoto7/th_1a48122909b2f3491b6573f0e768a7d0.jpg) (http://s777.photobucket.com/albums/yy53/actionphoto7/?action=view&current=1a48122909b2f3491b6573f0e768a7d0.jpg)

I have a lot of these and need to figure out what I've got.
(http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy53/actionphoto7/th_eabe3379bb57b3f7566871bc5c6e95f0.jpg) (http://s777.photobucket.com/albums/yy53/actionphoto7/?action=view&current=eabe3379bb57b3f7566871bc5c6e95f0.jpg)

15 gallon from Montoso in PR
(http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy53/actionphoto7/bc721aa190eec0926eb365267aa61baa.jpg)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on December 15, 2014, 01:08:15 PM
Nice collection, Jonah.  The trees look good.

I miss Montoso Gardens.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: tropical66 on December 15, 2014, 11:09:36 PM

Hi,


Is it Jaboticaba Escarlate same as Jaboticaba Vermelha Regina. Which one is the same as Jaboticaba Red Hybrid?


cheers
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 28, 2014, 07:35:06 PM
right now flowering or setting fruits:
M. vexator
M cauliflora hybrid
M strigipes
M glazioviana
M aureana
M sp (Grimal, aka Peluda de Alagoas)
 

here are pics of some:

Red
(http://s4.postimg.cc/na1t6wbxl/IMG_0335.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/na1t6wbxl/)
Blue
(http://s4.postimg.cc/odlxiuwkp/IMG_0339.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/odlxiuwkp/)
Blue, bark
(http://s4.postimg.cc/i3qnvux61/IMG_0340.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/i3qnvux61/)
Blue fruit
(http://s4.postimg.cc/d7n145x0p/IMG_0353.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/d7n145x0p/)
Grimal buds
(http://s4.postimg.cc/rfcpst9pl/IMG_0342.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/rfcpst9pl/)
Yellow
(http://s4.postimg.cc/gibe41my1/IMG_0354.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/gibe41my1/)
strigipes
(http://s15.postimg.cc/s7xv92qh3/IMG_0346.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/s7xv92qh3/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bush2Beach on December 29, 2014, 02:35:37 AM
Holy smokes those are some impressive potted specimens. How do you do it !! ( rhetorical question )  8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: nullzero on December 29, 2014, 03:15:38 AM
Adam,

Plants look very healthy, nice!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 29, 2014, 10:35:02 AM
Nullz, Bush2beach,

thanks!

I have a few more varieties that are getting closer to fruition....it will be nice to have over 10 species and varieties of Myrciaria fruiting at my nursery.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: nullzero on December 29, 2014, 11:08:02 AM
Nullz, Bush2beach,

thanks!

I have a few more varieties that are getting closer to fruition....it will be nice to have over 10 species and varieties of Myrciaria fruiting at my nursery.

The plants look happy at their new home  ;D.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on December 29, 2014, 11:11:04 AM
Adam, wow you've got some amazing mother plants growing and fruiting, way to go Prince 8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: davidgarcia899 on December 31, 2014, 11:09:21 AM
isnt grimal M. spirito-santensis
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 31, 2014, 02:38:04 PM
isnt grimal M. spirito-santensis

no, it was mistakenly identified as M. spirito-sanctensis, but it's a species that's not yet described....it only has a common name in Brazil, Peluda de Alagoas.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: GrassFlats on December 31, 2014, 11:57:51 PM
Was great touring your nursery recently Adam!  I can take some of the fruit off your hands for ya!

Chad
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: davidgarcia899 on January 01, 2015, 09:21:16 PM
Do you have M. spirito-sanctensis?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 01, 2015, 10:07:36 PM
Do you have M. spirito-sanctensis?

Yes, when I found out it was a different species than the Grimal, I sourced seed from Brazil and planted a bunch of them, they look very interesting, supposedly it's closely related to M aureana and M grandifolia, and judging by the foliage appearance it looks like a close relative for sure.

They should be ready by April.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 01, 2015, 10:09:45 PM
Adam, wow you've got some amazing mother plants growing and fruiting, way to go Prince 8)

Thanks Robert!!
Was great touring your nursery recently Adam!  I can take some of the fruit off your hands for ya!

Chad

Chad, thanks! I will have some rare stuff for you to taste soon (in about 1-2weeks)!  Send me an email or txt before you come visit!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on January 02, 2015, 07:00:23 AM
right now flowering or setting fruits:

strigipes
([url]http://s15.postimg.cc/s7xv92qh3/IMG_0346.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/s7xv92qh3/[/url])


Hi Adam!
Are you sure this one is Strigipes? I have one of these, and the young leafs are light green, not redish.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 02, 2015, 09:23:43 AM
Yes I'm sure.

Sometimes the foliage comes out green, it depends on growing conditions.

You also might have a different species (but my only guess is guaquiea or glazioviana...there aren't really any other species that look similar)

right now flowering or setting fruits:

strigipes
([url]http://s15.postimg.cc/s7xv92qh3/IMG_0346.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/s7xv92qh3/[/url])


Hi Adam!
Are you sure this one is Strigipes? I have one of these, and the young leafs are light green, not redish.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on January 02, 2015, 01:59:14 PM
Yes I'm sure.

Sometimes the foliage comes out green, it depends on growing conditions.

You also might have a different species (but my only guess is guaquiea or glazioviana...there aren't really any other species that look similar)

right now flowering or setting fruits:

strigipes
([url]http://s15.postimg.cc/s7xv92qh3/IMG_0346.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/s7xv92qh3/[/url])


Hi Adam!
Are you sure this one is Strigipes? I have one of these, and the young leafs are light green, not redish.



No... surelly mine isn´t guaquiea or glazoviana.
Maybe it´s due growing conditions as you said.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 02, 2015, 03:04:11 PM
Cassio,

also consider that you may have a different variety of M. strigipes, and the color of the new growth may be variable between specimens, not only due to environmental discrepancies, but also slight genetic variations.

This is one of my favorite aspects about collecting Myrciaria/Plinia...an individual species can seem like 10 separate species, due to genetic variation....(something like Dogs...poodles, pitbulls, pugs, wolves...they're all same species....the amount of variation is astounding!)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on January 05, 2015, 09:38:44 AM
Cassio,

also consider that you may have a different variety of M. strigipes, and the color of the new growth may be variable between specimens, not only due to environmental discrepancies, but also slight genetic variations.

This is one of my favorite aspects about collecting Myrciaria/Plinia...an individual species can seem like 10 separate species, due to genetic variation....(something like Dogs...poodles, pitbulls, pugs, wolves...they're all same species....the amount of variation is astounding!)

Totally right Adam!  8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: BMc on January 06, 2015, 09:56:06 PM
Does anyone have any ideas about how big a Coronata v restinga might get? I'm trying to figure out how close I can plant to a retaining wall?
Thanks!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 06, 2015, 10:06:05 PM
Does anyone have any ideas about how big a Coronata v restinga might get? I'm trying to figure out how close I can plant to a retaining wall?
Thanks!

BMc,

I have seen pics of a mature tree, it seems to be quite compact compared to most M. coronata varieties I've seen...supposedly it stays about 2-3m tall...but I wouldn't be surprised if it can grow slightly taller than this.

I'm guessing it's safe to plant about 3-4 ft away at the closest, depending on how you prune the tree.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: cbss_daviefl on January 25, 2015, 09:02:42 AM
Adam, the grafted Grimal I got from you 2 years ago as a 1gal just pushed its first flower. 

On your grafted trees, have you ever seen the sabara rootstock flower?  I see some protrusions that look like the root stock might put out some leaves and I have a red jabo that is flowering at soil level, even from a sucker I had cut a few inches from the truck, and it had me wondering if you have ever had the rootstock flower.

(http://s29.postimg.cc/ys7v2wwgj/Grimal_Grafted_flower.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ys7v2wwgj/)


(http://s8.postimg.cc/3t5oqzzj5/Grimal_Grafted.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3t5oqzzj5/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 25, 2015, 10:34:44 AM
Cbss,

Looking real good!

I've seen the rootstocks flower for sure (not here at my farm, but at my friends house)

Believe it or not, most of the rootstocks I've grafted onto are less than 6yrs old, so theyre not quite ready to flower....but in another 3-4 yrs I'm guessing you could get some Sabara fruits from the rootstock

Btw your tree looks great....I see no rust on the leaves...and looks like your tree has been kept in a very bright location...I can tell by how the leaves are folded up...I bet this helped your tree fruit quicker!  Grimal is a really tough tree, being able to withstand more drought than sabara, handles city water better than sabara, and can endure the baking heat of FL without showing leaf burn.

 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 27, 2015, 09:59:05 PM
cbss_daviefl,

how much you do want for that grafted Grimal?  :P

Adam, the grafted Grimal I got from you 2 years ago as a 1gal just pushed its first flower. 

On your grafted trees, have you ever seen the sabara rootstock flower?  I see some protrusions that look like the root stock might put out some leaves and I have a red jabo that is flowering at soil level, even from a sucker I had cut a few inches from the truck, and it had me wondering if you have ever had the rootstock flower.

([url]http://s29.postimg.cc/ys7v2wwgj/Grimal_Grafted_flower.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/ys7v2wwgj/[/url])


([url]http://s8.postimg.cc/3t5oqzzj5/Grimal_Grafted.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/3t5oqzzj5/[/url])

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on January 28, 2015, 06:49:42 AM
cbss_daviefl,

how much you do want for that grafted Grimal?  :P

Adam, the grafted Grimal I got from you 2 years ago as a 1gal just pushed its first flower. 

On your grafted trees, have you ever seen the sabara rootstock flower?  I see some protrusions that look like the root stock might put out some leaves and I have a red jabo that is flowering at soil level, even from a sucker I had cut a few inches from the truck, and it had me wondering if you have ever had the rootstock flower.

([url]http://s29.postimg.cc/ys7v2wwgj/Grimal_Grafted_flower.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/ys7v2wwgj/[/url])


([url]http://s8.postimg.cc/3t5oqzzj5/Grimal_Grafted.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/3t5oqzzj5/[/url])




Hahaha  Full circle.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: cbss_daviefl on February 10, 2015, 09:16:17 PM
Today I can finally say I have eaten the fruit from a jaboticaba tree I planted from seed.  I purchased the red jaboticaba seeds from Fruit Lovers on 5/29/2012 and a mere 2 years, 8 months, and 12 days later, I am enjoying the fruits of my labor.  Gone are the decade long waits, these are wondrous times we live in!

(http://s22.postimg.cc/eu8l1nol9/Red_Jaboticaba_from_seed.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/eu8l1nol9/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: nullzero on February 10, 2015, 09:21:32 PM
cbss,

Congrats on the fruit!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 10, 2015, 10:00:29 PM
Nice job!

The red jabo can fruit in about 2.5yrs if you give it optimal care, and provided you don't get unlucky with a late bloomer ...

I just tell people 3-5 yrs to be safe.

How much are u selling that tree for ?  $125?  :P
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on February 10, 2015, 10:33:03 PM
Today I can finally say I have eaten the fruit from a jaboticaba tree I planted from seed.  I purchased the red jaboticaba seeds from Fruit Lovers on 5/29/2012 and a mere 2 years, 8 months, and 12 days later, I am enjoying the fruits of my labor.  Gone are the decade long waits, these are wondrous times we live in!

([url]http://s22.postimg.cc/eu8l1nol9/Red_Jaboticaba_from_seed.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/eu8l1nol9/[/url])


congrats, Brandon!!!  How was the fruit?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: cbss_daviefl on February 10, 2015, 10:38:24 PM
My preecccciiiioooouussss! Definitely priceless and not for sale!  I only have 4 small fruiting reds and the grimal and there are 3 jabo lovers in this house. No fruiting jabo goes up for sale until I have enough to make jam! Time to step them up from 5s and 7s to 15gals
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Barnacle1982 on February 10, 2015, 10:58:09 PM
Count me in.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 10, 2015, 11:08:51 PM
My preecccciiiioooouussss! Definitely priceless and not for sale!  I only have 4 small fruiting reds and the grimal and there are 3 jabo lovers in this house. No fruiting jabo goes up for sale until I have enough to make jam! Time to step them up from 5s and 7s to 15gals

Hahaha good answer!

But just so u know, once they have fruit I don't sell them for less than $100-125!

(Also, have you pruned the tree at all?  I see one branch down low that could go...I'm like obsessive compulsive when it comes to pruning red jabos)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on February 10, 2015, 11:14:14 PM
I had a red jabo and stupidly placed the tree where I was going to plant it, then forgot about it for a few days.  It was totally dried out, but a few leaves are still hanging in there.  I have since potted it up, watered it thoroughly and often, and put it in shade to grow, plus hit it with a chelated fe micronutrient drench. 

Any idea if these trees have 9 lives?  I have had good luck with other fruit trees with 2 lives, so I am hoping it will be a survivor.

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on February 10, 2015, 11:32:52 PM
Had my first Rollinia after reading a post by ASaffron and seeing his video on youtube about Rollinia. And coincidentally bumped into Jabos there too by coincidence, in the back of my mind I kept saying "I know I have seen people speak of these on the Fruit forum" After I tasted the first one I KNEW why. Delicious!!!!! And I am afraid I have tasted the drug, and was on my way to Pine Island near by, but showed a little restrain lol They had regular ones and red ones for sale, said the red ones should fruit in 1-2 years. Figured do so more research before deciding. And seeing now how many possible varieties, should have asked which they had. Once the guy their told me how long they took to fruit my heart sank. BUT now seeing about these reds, my heart is a little happy again!!!!! Must find an older fruit in the next year or 2 Jabo!!!! Who do I gotta talk too!!!??? LOL
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: cbss_daviefl on February 10, 2015, 11:51:34 PM
I trimmed them around 4 months ago probably not enough.  I looked at them this morning and noticed some of the root suckers I had trimmed were now branching out like a tipped mango.  I am sure you would be disgusted by their wildness.  I will get to pruning them eventually.  Root suckers are out of control!

Jeff, chances are it can come back.  One of my crowns died back  to a few leaves and is doing OK now.

Fisherking, there are plenty of red jabos available.  Benders grove has them most of the time or can get them in 3 and 7 gal size. 7 gals are fruiting size and 3 gals are a year or so.  I got 1 gals for sale too.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on February 10, 2015, 11:58:34 PM
I will be checking out Benders this week for avocado, great news that he usually has. Hope I get lucky.  Another question, I have read here they seem to like water, but how bout sun? Does it have to have 100% sun or will it do ok half day sun? Morning sun vs afternoon sun? I get about 4-6 hours in the front yard depending on time of year from sunrise to about 11am. Backyard gets direct sun about 12 till sundown. I will probably end up cutting down a black olive tree in front of my house (not sure I  have the heart to do it as it is older than me) and that would open a lot more room for trees.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: cbss_daviefl on February 11, 2015, 12:19:43 AM
With jabos, find a low spot that floods and gets sun part of the day and plant it there.  The more sun the better but best to fill the low flood zones since most trees don't like it.

I don't like cutting down trees either but you will feel much better about the death of the black olive tree when 4 fruit trees have taken its place.  ;D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on February 11, 2015, 01:05:48 AM
Cutting down that big tree and taking out the roots is gonna cost  a pretty penny lol.  I really don't have any low flooding areas on my property as my house is somewhat on a hill.  Will they grow well in containers? I guess I am going to have to move around some of my trees after this fruiting season. Maybe 2 sugar apples I have that are in prime sun real estate. Although I do have an area under a large coconut tree that gets good sun, but just scared of one of those palm fronds crushing anything I plant under it LOL
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 11, 2015, 01:13:26 AM
Cutting down that big tree and taking out the roots is gonna cost  a pretty penny lol.  I really don't have any low flooding areas on my property as my house is somewhat on a hill.  Will they grow well in containers? I guess I am going to have to move around some of my trees after this fruiting season. Maybe 2 sugar apples I have that are in prime sun real estate. Although I do have an area under a large coconut tree that gets good sun, but just scared of one of those palm fronds crushing anything I plant under it LOL

Yep red jabo is dwarfish and does will in a pot
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on February 11, 2015, 01:41:23 AM
Thanks Adam!  So now to find a Red Jabo local that is a few years in, a Rollinia, and an oro negro avocado (easiest of the three), no biggie. Might be going to Ocala beginning of March for an archery tournament, and to visit a friend that use to run a blueberry farm in Polk County, if I have time might hit you up. You think a large Jabo would do good in the back of a pick up on the highway for 3 hours lol?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Das Bhut on February 11, 2015, 02:32:05 AM
There's a jaboticaba at broward college that's been there since the 70s or 80s (whenever they had the tropical fruit program) it's fruit are pretty huge, almost plum sized
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on February 11, 2015, 05:33:49 AM
Well, I have a grafted jaboticaba coroada da restinga which produced his first eight fruits this year. I also have a sabará, which produced around 30 fruits this year, and a hybrid which produced just one fruit.  ;D Coroada da restinga has the small seeds between the 3 species, and also have a good amount of pulp and sweet flavor, being the bigger fruit 3 centimeters in diameter. Almost forgot...I also have a blue jaboticaba, but this one will take sometime to fruit.
By other side, I have a white jaboticaba, 2,20 meters tall, which is flowering like crazy since the middle of january, but she don´t hold the fruits. This one was bought last year by a low price (the seller insisted it was a goiaba...) and I don´t know the tree´s age or if this is the first time she flowers...

In time: Coroada, Hybrid, Blue and White jabos are in containers, and sabará is in the soil. Later, I´ll post photos.

Any ideas why the white isn´t holding their fruits? There is something I can do to "help" her?

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on February 11, 2015, 10:14:20 AM
Where on Broward central campus? PlEASE give me coordinates lol I am currently enrolled for my second Bachelors at BC, and would love to take a stroll during study breaks and have a snack. I am sure the students there just walk past it oblivious.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on February 11, 2015, 10:35:20 AM
Where on Broward central campus? PlEASE give me coordinates lol I am currently enrolled for my second Bachelors at BC, and would love to take a stroll during study breaks and have a snack. I am sure the students there just walk past it oblivious.

I have visions of you "going to class" and coming home with fruit stains on all over, and having never made it to class.   ;D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on February 11, 2015, 11:02:11 AM
HA! Probably, being married and this my second go around, unlike in my younger period through college I have nothing to prove and about 20 years older than the average freshman LOL Got much more money in my pocket than I did last go around. So probably would not care and yes would get stained up LOL
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on February 11, 2015, 04:03:01 PM
Its official, got my first Red Jabo the Hut. Now how do I turn this thing on to get candy out of it........
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: cbss_daviefl on February 11, 2015, 04:09:05 PM
On this forum, it aint true until you post the picture!!!  We need our daily dose of fruit porn!!! :P

Its official, got my first Red Jabo the Hut. Now how do I turn this thing on to get candy out of it........
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on February 11, 2015, 05:26:14 PM
Ain't no fruit porn to show  :'( :'(    will post a pic of the new baby in a bit.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on February 11, 2015, 05:38:15 PM
Why? Because I had the day off, and had to add a Jabo Hut to my micro grove. Oro Negro avocado in the 3 galloner next to it in front of one of my sugar apples I have yet to plant. Now where to put these 2 is the better question.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/pier_afficionado/20150211_172640.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/pier_afficionado/media/20150211_172640.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/pier_afficionado/20150211_172640.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/pier_afficionado/media/20150211_172640.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: cbss_daviefl on February 11, 2015, 06:02:42 PM
That red is actually quite a bit bigger than the one I was eating fruit from yesterday.   The near constant fruit production will begin soon.  The oro negro looks good too.  Congrats!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: luc on February 11, 2015, 07:47:37 PM
Here's my hybrid or is it the red , just finished fruiting and is flowering again .
(http://s30.postimg.cc/up07fdv19/Jaboticaba_precose_or_hybrid.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/up07fdv19/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on February 11, 2015, 07:50:58 PM
Fisherking, nice trees!  You can get away with fitting the jabo in wherever...the avo needs full sun and room to grow.  The red jabo can get less sun.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 11, 2015, 09:11:40 PM
Here's my hybrid or is it the red , just finished fruiting and is flowering again .
([url]http://s30.postimg.cc/up07fdv19/Jaboticaba_precose_or_hybrid.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/up07fdv19/[/url])


Nice Luc

Yes that's what I call red jabo, in Brazil they call it precoce or hibrida.

Probably my favorite fruit tree to date...can be grown almost anywhere in the world...does well in a pot for decades.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on February 11, 2015, 09:48:10 PM
I am debating pot or ground. In pot I understand it will not produce as much? I think I have a good spot that it will get sun from about 9am to about 3pm full sun then filtered sun through coco palm fronds.  Wife thinks I have lost my  gourd as I have been waking up earlier than usual, and walking around back yard staring at sun then ground. Marking areas. Then going back to see again and again how long I get sun in certain areas LOL  The avocado is splitting the difference of the mango trees and gonna move my small sugar apples elsewhere as they seem a bit on the ehh side. Lots of leaves with brown, barely any leaves. Will see how they do this season before I give up on them. Only mummified fruit last year.  But this JABO the HUT has me all sorts of excited. You bet I will be posting the first sprout that comes out of that bark LOL
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 11, 2015, 09:50:42 PM
My trees in pots produce even more than the trees I've seen in the ground!

It all has to do with how you care for the trees

Low pH, lots of water, don't over fertilize, prune them properly.
I am debating pot or ground. In pot I understand it will not produce as much? I think I have a good spot that it will get sun from about 9am to about 3pm full sun then filtered sun through coco palm fronds.  Wife thinks I have lost my  gourd as I have been waking up earlier than usual, and walking around back yard staring at sun then ground. Marking areas. Then going back to see again and again how long I get sun in certain areas LOL  The avocado is splitting the difference of the mango trees and gonna move my small sugar apples elsewhere as they seem a bit on the ehh side. Lots of leaves with brown, barely any leaves. Will see how they do this season before I give up on them. Only mummified fruit last year.  But this JABO the HUT has me all sorts of excited. You bet I will be posting the first sprout that comes out of that bark LOL
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on February 11, 2015, 10:10:50 PM
Keep reading about this pH thing LOL gonna have to figure it out and check my soil. Have just been using stuff from nurseries and the Depot.  Sooooooooo much to learn so little time.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: nullzero on February 12, 2015, 08:46:42 PM
Paulista Jabo is telling me spring is here, I would agree maybe even say summer is here... 87 today and feels like its August.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Yu0jRhiyBBU/VN1VjgdPxKI/AAAAAAAAHeU/eeRBRIwQZvU/s640/CAM00859.jpg)

I fertilized the plant about 2 weeks ago with some spring water diluted fermented urine (3 weeks old, close to 1 part urine to 10 parts water) with mycogrow added and agave syrup, gave .06ppm Brassinoide roughly in the water. Fertilized with about 4 oz of this mix to the plant. Growth flush most likely attributed to the warm temps +80s last few days, fertilizer may play a part. The plant is growing in mostly coco coir with leaf compost in a 12 gal Superoots. I see plenty of earth worm activity.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: CGameProgrammer on February 13, 2015, 03:19:01 AM
Can a red jaboticaba be pruned as a shrub (ideally 4-5' high) and still remain productive? I have a small one sandwiched between two trees (a carambola and a wax jambu) and plan to let those trees grow high and keep the jaboticaba basically underneath them. Does the tree respond OK to pruning? Do you have any pruning tips?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on February 13, 2015, 09:16:00 AM
Adam is huge jabo pruning advocate.  If you search for pruning jabos on the forum, you will probably find good info.  Basically, he prunes them from the bottom up to expose the ornamental peeling bark.  He even convinced oscar to do it! 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: luc on February 13, 2015, 10:51:53 AM
Here's my hybrid or is it the red , just finished fruiting and is flowering again .
([url]http://s30.postimg.cc/up07fdv19/Jaboticaba_precose_or_hybrid.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/up07fdv19/[/url])


Nice Luc

Yes that's what I call red jabo, in Brazil they call it precoce or hibrida.

Probably my favorite fruit tree to date...can be grown almost anywhere in the world...does well in a pot for decades.


Adam , the reason I am a little confused is that in Harri Lorenzi's book page 220 he shows the Precoce and the Red as 2 different varieties ????
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: luc on February 13, 2015, 10:54:21 AM
Adam is huge jabo pruning advocate.  If you search for pruning jabos on the forum, you will probably find good info.  Basically, he prunes them from the bottom up to expose the ornamental peeling bark.  He even convinced oscar to do it!

I did this on Adam's advise , with very good results , thank you Adam .
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 13, 2015, 11:35:23 AM
thanks Luc!

I'm so happy to hear this.

I'm starting to realize, even the species that I recommend not pruning (M. vexator, M. glazioviana, M. strigipes, M.guaquiea, Plinia edulis, P. rivularis...and others that fruit closer to branch tips) can benefit from branch thinning to increase air circulation and light penetration!

I will try to take before and after photos when I prune my big vexators (8yr), and glazioviana (12yr)...they have not been pruned their whole life.

Adam is huge jabo pruning advocate.  If you search for pruning jabos on the forum, you will probably find good info.  Basically, he prunes them from the bottom up to expose the ornamental peeling bark.  He even convinced oscar to do it!

I did this on Adam's advise , with very good results , thank you Adam .
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on February 13, 2015, 11:44:48 AM
Pruning video!!!!! PLEASE!!!!! LOL
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 13, 2015, 12:44:58 PM
Pruning video!!!!! PLEASE!!!!! LOL

great idea my friend...I will take your advise, the video is in the works.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: CGameProgrammer on February 13, 2015, 02:17:50 PM
Thinning is one thing, but I was asking about pruning to limit the size of the plant to a shrub. Can it still remain productive if you do that? Obviously the quantity of fruit would be reduced.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on February 13, 2015, 03:20:15 PM
Thinning is one thing, but I was asking about pruning to limit the size of the plant to a shrub. Can it still remain productive if you do that? Obviously the quantity of fruit would be reduced.

red jabos stay pretty small from what i understand.  Shouldn't be an issue.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 13, 2015, 03:26:24 PM
Thinning is one thing, but I was asking about pruning to limit the size of the plant to a shrub. Can it still remain productive if you do that? Obviously the quantity of fruit would be reduced.

they fruit on old wood, so yes they can be pruned heavy as long as lots of old wood is left untouched....even sabara is good for this...you can keep a tree under 12ft tall fruiting heavy..for over 20yrs
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 13, 2015, 03:34:24 PM
i believe this was a bit of a mistake on their part...they are the same essentially...one of the trees just made a lighter colored fruit...(I'm starting to realize the red jabo/hibrida/precoce is more variable than sabara from seed for sure).

If you plant enough red jaboticaba seeds, I'm sure you could even get a white fruited variety...I actually have a seedling right now that came from a Red jabo, it looks like a white jabo more than anything...but leaves are smaller, with venation less prominent and less bullate than aureana....waiting to see what the fruit looks like...and I'm excited to find some new varieties.



Here's my hybrid or is it the red , just finished fruiting and is flowering again .
([url]http://s30.postimg.cc/up07fdv19/Jaboticaba_precose_or_hybrid.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/up07fdv19/[/url])


Nice Luc

Yes that's what I call red jabo, in Brazil they call it precoce or hibrida.

Probably my favorite fruit tree to date...can be grown almost anywhere in the world...does well in a pot for decades.


Adam , the reason I am a little confused is that in Harri Lorenzi's book page 220 he shows the Precoce and the Red as 2 different varieties ????
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gnappi on February 14, 2015, 03:45:25 AM
Pruning video!!!!! PLEASE!!!!! LOL

great idea my friend...I will take your advise, the video is in the works.

I'm real eager to see a vid on this. My Jabo is ~7' tall and pretty dense. It's fruiting quite a bit but only on the sides that get sun, the north is barren maybe opening it up will help it? If I understand what I'm reading more air and light inside may be conducive to fruiting?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 14, 2015, 10:04:18 AM
Yes exactly!

I will try to get the video finished for spring...a good time to prune
Pruning video!!!!! PLEASE!!!!! LOL

great idea my friend...I will take your advise, the video is in the works.

I'm real eager to see a vid on this. My Jabo is ~7' tall and pretty dense. It's fruiting quite a bit but only on the sides that get sun, the north is barren maybe opening it up will help it? If I understand what I'm reading more air and light inside may be conducive to fruiting?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Das Bhut on February 14, 2015, 04:29:07 PM
Where on Broward central campus? PlEASE give me coordinates lol I am currently enrolled for my second Bachelors at BC, and would love to take a stroll during study breaks and have a snack. I am sure the students there just walk past it oblivious.

It's at building 1 I forgot the exact location
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on February 15, 2015, 05:39:32 PM
Well, I have a grafted jaboticaba coroada da restinga which produced his first eight fruits this year. I also have a sabará, which produced around 30 fruits this year, and a hybrid which produced just one fruit.  ;D Coroada da restinga has the small seeds between the 3 species, and also have a good amount of pulp and sweet flavor, being the bigger fruit 3 centimeters in diameter. Almost forgot...I also have a blue jaboticaba, but this one will take sometime to fruit.
By other side, I have a white jaboticaba, 2,20 meters tall, which is flowering like crazy since the middle of january, but she don´t hold the fruits. This one was bought last year by a low price (the seller insisted it was a goiaba...) and I don´t know the tree´s age or if this is the first time she flowers...

In time: Coroada, Hybrid, Blue and White jabos are in containers, and sabará is in the soil. Later, I´ll post photos.

Any ideas why the white isn´t holding their fruits? There is something I can do to "help" her?


Here it goes the photos I´d promised. Pardon the low quality of them.
White Jaboticaba is flowering a lot, but don´t hold the fruits... Any ideas why it´s happening? There is something I can do to "help" her?

(http://s17.postimg.cc/gri9jsxmj/DSC02004.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/gri9jsxmj/)

(http://s15.postimg.cc/y8xt7pihz/DSC02005.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/y8xt7pihz/)

(http://s13.postimg.cc/731a4js9f/DSC02006.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/731a4js9f/)

(http://s8.postimg.cc/h5ysy15bl/DSC02008.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/h5ysy15bl/)

(http://s17.postimg.cc/rsiglxw6z/DSC02009.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/rsiglxw6z/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 15, 2015, 06:48:53 PM
Cassio,

that is strange that your tree will not set fruits..I have a small tree (actually several of them), and they have set fruits very well...even when isolated in a greenhouse...and when they first bloomed.

How long has your tree been flowering for?  sometimes it can take them a while to finally start setting fruits....sometimes more than 2 or 3yrs after they first flower.

maybe having another flowering jaboticaba near this tree would help? (but i'm thinking you already have some nearby?)

i also know some trees (especially Eugenias I notice) have a problem with pollen receptivity...or at least this is my theory. I have some Rainforest plums, Cherry of rios, and Pitangatubas that suffer from this...even cross pollination doesn't help them

good luck!  i hope it starts to set fruits!

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on February 15, 2015, 09:04:42 PM
Cassio,

that is strange that your tree will not set fruits..I have a small tree (actually several of them), and they have set fruits very well...even when isolated in a greenhouse...and when they first bloomed.

How long has your tree been flowering for?  sometimes it can take them a while to finally start setting fruits....sometimes more than 2 or 3yrs after they first flower.

maybe having another flowering jaboticaba near this tree would help? (but i'm thinking you already have some nearby?)

i also know some trees (especially Eugenias I notice) have a problem with pollen receptivity...or at least this is my theory. I have some Rainforest plums, Cherry of rios, and Pitangatubas that suffer from this...even cross pollination doesn't help them

good luck!  i hope it starts to set fruits!

Noooooooooo!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on February 19, 2015, 07:57:26 AM
Cassio,

that is strange that your tree will not set fruits..I have a small tree (actually several of them), and they have set fruits very well...even when isolated in a greenhouse...and when they first bloomed.

How long has your tree been flowering for?  sometimes it can take them a while to finally start setting fruits....sometimes more than 2 or 3yrs after they first flower.

maybe having another flowering jaboticaba near this tree would help? (but i'm thinking you already have some nearby?)

i also know some trees (especially Eugenias I notice) have a problem with pollen receptivity...or at least this is my theory. I have some Rainforest plums, Cherry of rios, and Pitangatubas that suffer from this...even cross pollination doesn't help them

good luck!  i hope it starts to set fruits!

Hi Adam. Thanks for trying to help.
I don´t know the tree´s age, nor if it´s the first time she´s flowering. This is that tree which I bought last year and which the seller insisted to be a goiaba, remember? :)
Well, I have other 03 jaboticaba trees near of this tree, but none of them is flowering now. The white jabo is flowering continuosly since the beggining of january, and with each new "wave" bringing more flowers than the previous "wave" and so on. Yesterday I found the two fruits, but they aren´t there today. I´m thinking to put her in a bigger pot and increase adubation, but I´m unsure if it´s the right time for doing it...
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 19, 2015, 10:01:54 AM
Jeff...

dont' worry, it's a small percentage of trees that suffer from this...

for the pitangatubas it was only 4 out of almost 40 trees...and almost all of the trees that don't set fruit came from the same source!

I planted a bunch of seeds from a different source, about 5 yrs ago...and all of them set fruits fine.

its' the same deal with rainforest plum....I got some trees from one source that refuse to set a good crop...then I planted seeds from Oscar, which are extremely productive (slender leaf).
Cassio,

that is strange that your tree will not set fruits..I have a small tree (actually several of them), and they have set fruits very well...even when isolated in a greenhouse...and when they first bloomed.

How long has your tree been flowering for?  sometimes it can take them a while to finally start setting fruits....sometimes more than 2 or 3yrs after they first flower.

maybe having another flowering jaboticaba near this tree would help? (but i'm thinking you already have some nearby?)

i also know some trees (especially Eugenias I notice) have a problem with pollen receptivity...or at least this is my theory. I have some Rainforest plums, Cherry of rios, and Pitangatubas that suffer from this...even cross pollination doesn't help them

good luck!  i hope it starts to set fruits!

Noooooooooo!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TheDom on February 24, 2015, 05:46:33 PM
I suppose I need to join the support group here too. I got one on recommendation from backyard nurseryman. Then once I read about how well they produce, albeit in many years, I got a good deal on some so I got another 4 figuring "hey, they're small now, and if I end up liking them I'll be pissed in 8 years if I have to wait another 8 for the new ones to start producing.".

So they grew all shrubby and unpruned and frankly sort of ugly for a while until I found the forum full of enablers here. Once I pruned them I was actually sort of excited about how they looked, and started reading through this thread.

Then I found out there are jabos that start fruiting in 3 years! So I ordered three from Adam right before the freeze, and these beauties got here today:

(http://s27.postimg.cc/60k1em17z/IMG_20150224_162639.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/60k1em17z/)

This weekend we had a thing in Tampa, and we stopped by Wayne's place in Bradenton to take a look at his Dream annona and do the usual property tour. In addition to being surprised by 3 grafted Dream ready to rock that I wasn't expecting until May, he had a 5.5' tall Grimal jaboticaba!

(http://s18.postimg.cc/6313o08vp/IMG_20150224_162617.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6313o08vp/)

It may just be my imagination or the addiction talking, but is this thing thinking about fruiting?

(http://s14.postimg.cc/5nj9cxaj1/IMG_20150224_162558.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5nj9cxaj1/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 24, 2015, 06:09:49 PM
wow!

u hit the jackpot at Wayne's world!

I'm going to be hitting you up for Dream fruit, and jaboticaba fruit in a couple years!!

that Grimal is a frickin beauty!  I would have bought that thing in a second...and I have like 10 fruiting trees already...lol

I'm greeeeedy when it comes to myrciaria!

the don't let those suckers grow, i see some new shoots trying to form on the caulis...make sure to keep them in check...the tree is not ready to fruit yet, maybe next year (or later this year if you are lucky).

thanks for posting about your trees from my nursery!! those things are ready to grow!!  they will probably fruit in a year from now!

keep me posted on your progress, and keep those jabos pruned properly!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: CGameProgrammer on February 24, 2015, 07:05:38 PM
Is there a way to verify a tree is a red jaboticaba even when it's too young to flower? I have one (grafted) just a couple of feet high that I got from TopTropicals a few of months ago; it recently put on a flush of new leaves and looks nice and healthy, but since it'll likely be a few years before I get fruit, I'd like to try to verify its identication beforehand if possible.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 24, 2015, 07:23:26 PM
Is there a way to verify a tree is a red jaboticaba even when it's too young to flower? I have one (grafted) just a couple of feet high that I got from TopTropicals a few of months ago; it recently put on a flush of new leaves and looks nice and healthy, but since it'll likely be a few years before I get fruit, I'd like to try to verify its identication beforehand if possible.

Post a pic
 
I didn't realize they were offering grafted trees...I don't see any on their website?

They seem to have made up a new name for the red jaboticaba, and a new story I've never heard.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TheDom on February 24, 2015, 08:11:21 PM
wow!

u hit the jackpot at Wayne's world!

I'm going to be hitting you up for Dream fruit, and jaboticaba fruit in a couple years!!
...
keep me posted on your progress, and keep those jabos pruned properly!

Yeah, I was thrilled to find a jabo that big! So same principle pruning the reds and grimal as the others: sun on the big branches, keep the leaves up high, encourage it vertical?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 24, 2015, 08:13:48 PM
Yes, just thin out small branches and encourage bigger branches to grow more and to have more sunlight.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 24, 2015, 09:20:41 PM
about to plant out this pair of 45 gal Myrciaria truncifloras!

I'm so eager to get this done, I just haven't been able to decide on the spot!

(http://s4.postimg.cc/gxacpk3jd/IMG_0805.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/gxacpk3jd/)

M. vexator is blooming up a storm! I have another tree that has decided to take a break...maybe it will bloom when this one stops?  I'm curious to see if I get a decent fruit set, when the tree is in the greenhouse.
(http://s4.postimg.cc/ru730l0x5/IMG_0819.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ru730l0x5/)
here is a 3 gal Yellow Jabo, supposedly a seedling of a large fruited variety...it was able to sneak some blooms past me, and I missed it's first flowers...but looks like a fruit may have set....and it's going to bloom more heavily in April.
(http://s4.postimg.cc/nhd4vwhk9/IMG_0821.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/nhd4vwhk9/)

(http://s4.postimg.cc/604fn1re1/IMG_0824.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/604fn1re1/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 24, 2015, 09:25:13 PM
(http://s9.postimg.cc/tvjbu2257/jaboticabaalien.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tvjbu2257/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: CGameProgrammer on February 24, 2015, 09:41:33 PM
Sorry I was wrong about my plant from TopTropicals being grafted. Here are shots of my alleged red jaboticaba:

(http://s17.postimg.cc/fs7mmluxn/IMG_0057.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fs7mmluxn/)

(http://s30.postimg.cc/d0vzl2uil/IMG_0059.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/d0vzl2uil/)

(http://s24.postimg.cc/4n8ozskch/IMG_0058.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4n8ozskch/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 24, 2015, 09:47:37 PM
that's what they're selling as volcano red...it's just hibrida/precoce, or red jaboticaba...what I've been selling for years now.

looks like the tree could fruit later this year!!

I had a feeling they weren't grafted!  ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: CGameProgrammer on February 24, 2015, 09:52:54 PM
I expected and wanted it to be the regular red jaboticaba, just NOT the more typical sabara. So it does look like red jaboticaba to you? How can you tell?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TheDom on February 24, 2015, 10:07:02 PM
When planting in-ground in our lovely sandy alkaline soils with alkaline well water, do you do anything at planting to amend the soil to keep these guys happy? Pine bark fines? Compost? Just sulfur on top from time to time?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on February 24, 2015, 11:34:07 PM
When planting in-ground in our lovely sandy alkaline soils with alkaline well water, do you do anything at planting to amend the soil to keep these guys happy? Pine bark fines? Compost? Just sulfur on top from time to time?

Ditto on what he said LOL  Your trees look amazing Adam. I am heavily watering my red every other day to see if it will make it flush with leaves cuz pretty bare now. Still in pot, same problem, trying to figure out where to plant
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 24, 2015, 11:56:12 PM
I expected and wanted it to be the regular red jaboticaba, just NOT the more typical sabara. So it does look like red jaboticaba to you? How can you tell?
The meme I posted wasn't in regard to your tree...

As I stated before it's the red jabo...just renamed by top trop.

The foliage is different than sabara ... Being larger and the nerves are more salient.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 25, 2015, 12:39:33 AM
When planting in-ground in our lovely sandy alkaline soils with alkaline well water, do you do anything at planting to amend the soil to keep these guys happy? Pine bark fines? Compost? Just sulfur on top from time to time?

I believe growers in south FL fill the planting holes with some organic matter, like compost, peat, or pine bark, etc...

They don't like alkaline soil!

Chelated Fe will be your savior.

Sulfur helps, and so does rain!  Drought sucks for jaboticaba in FL...especially when your soil or well water is alkaline or even neutral.

Grafting into sabara can be very beneficial for some varieties that are sensitive to pH.  The difference is night and day.

Sabara is one of the most adaptable varieties, being able to grow in alkaline soil with proper care.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Das Bhut on February 25, 2015, 02:22:42 AM
If I plant a jabo in the wet muck on the shore of a canal will it die?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 25, 2015, 02:40:08 AM
If I plant a jabo in the wet muck on the shore of a canal will it die?

quite possibly, but not certainly...it depends on several factors...but in general i don't recommend planting them in mucky locations.  They must get some drainage eventually.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Das Bhut on February 25, 2015, 02:53:51 AM
If I plant a jabo in the wet muck on the shore of a canal will it die?

quite possibly, but not certainly...it depends on several factors...but in general i don't recommend planting them in mucky locations.  They must get some drainage eventually.

ah that's too bad, I figured if anything could live in muck it'd be a jabo. I suppose I'm out of spots to plant trees now :/
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: CGameProgrammer on February 25, 2015, 04:36:41 AM
Thanks for your expertise, ASaffron. I would be surprised if I get fruit this year since mine is only a couple of feet high with a 1.5" trunk but we'll see!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: greenman62 on February 25, 2015, 02:26:42 PM

I am glad i found this thread.
i was going nuts trying to figure out how to prune the thing.

in late November, it took 27F
the weather report said 34 would be the low,
and i didnt want to try and move it by myself
so, it stayed outside in its container.
.it took some minor leaf damage, but came out like a champ.
Its a Cauliflora from Pine Island Nursery


Last week we got back up in the 70s for a few days
i hadnt given it any ferts at all in 3 months
so i gave it urine 1/10 and some worm tea.
and now it just spurted new growth, i guess i shouldnt be surprised.
its very doubtful it will freeze again this year.
New Orleans almost never gets them after Feb is over.

I am considering getting another.
a dwarf ? a Yellow ? the one that tastes like coffee berry ?

i buy Kona juice, i love the taste, but never had a fresh coffee berry.
i have a couple of Kona seeds i am planting though.

so what to buy next ? I want a 3gal or larger shipped to New Orleans.
something that wont take forever to fruit ?

what are the sun requirements ?
i am running out of full sun spots.

yesterday...
(http://s24.postimg.cc/dwvwpxwip/jabot.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/dwvwpxwip/)
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from last fall
(http://s22.postimg.cc/d9ry3162l/jabot.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/d9ry3162l/)
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from last fall
(http://s11.postimg.cc/n3k76ere7/jabo.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/n3k76ere7/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: bradflorida on February 25, 2015, 03:10:11 PM
Red jabotiCaba.  Precocious and smaller tree
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: emegar on February 25, 2015, 03:35:59 PM
This may be something posted elsewhere, and I just haven't found it, but do we have a list of myrciarias sorted by relative growth rate?  I'm thinking of a ranking from slowest to fastest grower, perhaps with estimated time to fruiting from seed next to those for which that info is known.  Seems like this would be a useful reference to have in one place.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 25, 2015, 04:33:15 PM
This may be something posted elsewhere, and I just haven't found it, but do we have a list of myrciarias sorted by relative growth rate?  I'm thinking of a ranking from slowest to fastest grower, perhaps with estimated time to fruiting from seed next to those for which that info is known.  Seems like this would be a useful reference to have in one place.  Thanks!

that would be great...but if I took the time to do it right, I would try to make some sort of book...I just haven't had time....maybe someone already has one in the works in Brazil?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on February 25, 2015, 05:12:55 PM
Since I got her at Benders, she dropped a bunch of leaves, guessing from the cold. Still debating on where to plant her or keep her in pot, need to do a bunch more research and questions till I decide as my soil is very alkaline.  So either gotta figure out how to bring it down enough to keep her happy. Watering is not a problem as where I plan to plant her has a hose feet away.  I noticed today a BUNCH of new growth, and some peeling on the main barks (not sure if that means a good thing or bad thing) What is the expected final container size for a mature Red Jabo and how often does it need to be repotted once mature? At what point would you attack it with the shears to prune it? Wait for this growth to fully flush before nipping branches?

(http://s3.postimg.cc/7wjwkjk1b/20150225_122500_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7wjwkjk1b/)

(http://s10.postimg.cc/fbg048aw5/20150225_122420_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fbg048aw5/)

(http://s2.postimg.cc/isakt8h2t/20150225_122512_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/isakt8h2t/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TheDom on February 25, 2015, 05:13:43 PM
How do the reds and Grimal do with things being more alkaline? I have to get a soil and water test done, but I'm pretty sure with as hard as our water is that it is at least somewhat alkaline. Chelated iron and micros aren't a problem, everything here gets foliar micros about monthly and the few that need iron get that every so often if they yellow on me.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gnappi on February 25, 2015, 05:34:24 PM
" but never had a fresh coffee berry"

I have 8 coffee bushes (4 producing coffee) and the pulp between the skin and bean is sweet and mostly tasteless, with a sort of woody undertone. If any fruit was described like that I wouldn't buy it. The bean is IMO inedible and unusable till roasted.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gnappi on February 25, 2015, 05:39:45 PM
Since I got her at Benders, she dropped a bunch of leaves, guessing from the cold. Still debating on where to plant her or keep her in pot, need to do a bunch more research and questions till I decide as my soil is very alkaline.  So either gotta figure out how to bring it down enough to keep her happy. Watering is not a problem as where I plan to plant her has a hose feet away.  I noticed today a BUNCH of new growth, and some peeling on the main barks (not sure if that means a good thing or bad thing) What is the expected final container size for a mature Red Jabo and how often does it need to be repotted once mature? At what point would you attack it with the shears to prune it? Wait for this growth to fully flush before nipping branches?

I went to Benders recently and bought a pair of smaller bushy blue and red jabos and they did not defoliate (they're in the ground) and I'm ~30 miles north of you. I'm thinking maybe it wasn't the cold but it wanting a re-pot. Have you pulled it from the pot to check the roots?


Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 26, 2015, 06:41:08 PM
Planted one of the two 45 gal Myrciaria truncifloras today!

It only took about 20 minutes...I love central FL soil.

I'll take a pic once I plant the other tree...I still haven't decided where to put it.
(http://s27.postimg.cc/7e0thftkf/IMG_0849.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7e0thftkf/)

(http://s27.postimg.cc/bsdw70tin/IMG_0851.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bsdw70tin/)

(http://s27.postimg.cc/9y11pa6i7/IMG_0853.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9y11pa6i7/)

(http://s27.postimg.cc/zfeuv4yun/IMG_0855.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/zfeuv4yun/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: From the sea on February 26, 2015, 07:33:17 PM
It would take forever for me to dig a hole that big, and I would need more than a shovel.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on February 26, 2015, 09:17:57 PM
Cool Adam!  Gnappi, I will check roots my next day off, it has TONS of growth about to burst, tons of little leaves coming out of the trunks. Wish they were flowers LOL  I will plant it after I get some sulfur to help my pH in my soil just a bit. Just my OCD kicking in.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 27, 2015, 01:59:52 PM
Pruned one of the white jaboticaba finally.

I have about 4 more I need to prune like this!

it makes a big difference.
(http://s13.postimg.cc/xg96pkd2r/IMG_0856.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/xg96pkd2r/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on February 27, 2015, 02:01:27 PM
Pruned one of the white jaboticaba finally.

I have about 4 more I need to prune like this!

it makes a big difference.
([url]http://s13.postimg.cc/xg96pkd2r/IMG_0856.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/xg96pkd2r/[/url])
WOW!!!  :P
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 27, 2015, 02:31:21 PM
Beautiful plant Adam! My White Jaboticaba is my all time favorite plant!

Pruned one of the white jaboticaba finally.

I have about 4 more I need to prune like this!

it makes a big difference.
([url]http://s13.postimg.cc/xg96pkd2r/IMG_0856.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/xg96pkd2r/[/url])
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on February 27, 2015, 04:39:07 PM
So basically prune off any branching branches lol leave the mains from root to tip, everything else comes off? But definetly see the difference in branching (even though mine is small) with your tree and mine. Once my leaves flush I see how opening it up will give much more sunlight to trunks like yours.  Would love an after pic once yours is full of fruit!!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 27, 2015, 06:45:53 PM
planted the other trunciflora...this one is further underneath an oak tree, in more shade.

being an understory tree, this plant can produce nice crops in the shade!

also I notice the branches are brittle compared to sabara (grimal, red, white, and others)..so it really hates strong winds, and can easily break.
(http://s13.postimg.cc/w5xogd44z/IMG_0870_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/w5xogd44z/)

(http://s13.postimg.cc/gbndk84s3/IMG_0871.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/gbndk84s3/)

(http://s13.postimg.cc/vdv0h5zxv/IMG_0876.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/vdv0h5zxv/)

(http://s13.postimg.cc/88p78wk6r/IMG_0878.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/88p78wk6r/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: nullzero on February 27, 2015, 06:51:35 PM
Nice Adam! Jabo forest in the making,  ;D.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 27, 2015, 10:30:13 PM
Nice Adam! Jabo forest in the making,  ;D.

haha thanks Nullz....

so far I've got the following trees planted out...

M. jaboticaba (Sabara) 2 trees, almost fruiting size
M. cauliflora (Paulista, grafted onto Sabara) going to plant more seedlings ASAP...I have 3 decent sized specimens ready to plant
M. aureana (grafted onto Sabara)
M. coronata (grafted onto Sabara)
M. sp (Grimal grafted onto Sabara)
M. trunciflora (2 large seedlings, and 2 smaller plants grafted onto Sabara)
M. cauliflora hybrid (red jaboticaba grafted onto Sabara...will probably be the first jaboticaba tree to bear on my property in ground....and I will plant hundreds of seedlings)

still have yet to plant a few other varieties and species...I've been keeping them in the greenhouse until I'm ready...Like Plinia edulis (have about 5 decent sized trees to plant)...

considering planting P. rivularis....

and M. phitrantha....

and a bunch more....
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: emegar on February 27, 2015, 10:33:08 PM
Adam,

Why are you using Sabara as a rootstock, rather than the Red Jabo?  Is it a pH issue?


Nice Adam! Jabo forest in the making,  ;D.

haha thanks Nullz....

so far I've got the following trees planted out...

M. jaboticaba (Sabara) 2 trees, almost fruiting size
M. cauliflora (Paulista, grafted onto Sabara) going to plant more seedlings ASAP...I have 3 decent sized specimens ready to plant
M. aureana (grafted onto Sabara)
M. coronata (grafted onto Sabara)
M. sp (Grimal grafted onto Sabara)
M. trunciflora (2 large seedlings, and 2 smaller plants grafted onto Sabara)
M. cauliflora hybrid (red jaboticaba grafted onto Sabara...will probably be the first jaboticaba tree to bear on my property in ground....and I will plant hundreds of seedlings)

still have yet to plant a few other varieties and species...I've been keeping them in the greenhouse until I'm ready...Like Plinia edulis (have about 5 decent sized trees to plant)...

considering planting P. rivularis....

and M. phitrantha....

and a bunch more....
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 27, 2015, 10:37:42 PM
in my experience the red jaboticaba suckers too much...I never use it as stock...but maybe you can find a use for it...if you do, please let me know...

also, it doesn't have the same resilience as Sabara...Sabara is more adaptable, and less likely to have nutritional deficiencies....and is more well behaved when it comes to suckering at the base.

(and sabara is slightly more cold tolerant)

Adam,

Why are you using Sabara as a rootstock, rather than the Red Jabo?  Is it a pH issue?


Nice Adam! Jabo forest in the making,  ;D.

haha thanks Nullz....

so far I've got the following trees planted out...

M. jaboticaba (Sabara) 2 trees, almost fruiting size
M. cauliflora (Paulista, grafted onto Sabara) going to plant more seedlings ASAP...I have 3 decent sized specimens ready to plant
M. aureana (grafted onto Sabara)
M. coronata (grafted onto Sabara)
M. sp (Grimal grafted onto Sabara)
M. trunciflora (2 large seedlings, and 2 smaller plants grafted onto Sabara)
M. cauliflora hybrid (red jaboticaba grafted onto Sabara...will probably be the first jaboticaba tree to bear on my property in ground....and I will plant hundreds of seedlings)

still have yet to plant a few other varieties and species...I've been keeping them in the greenhouse until I'm ready...Like Plinia edulis (have about 5 decent sized trees to plant)...

considering planting P. rivularis....

and M. phitrantha....

and a bunch more....
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Central Floridave on February 28, 2015, 07:34:57 AM
2nd flower flush for 2015 for my tree
(http://s9.postimg.cc/ns80d5d2j/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ns80d5d2j/)

(http://s9.postimg.cc/l9hpyq1yj/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/l9hpyq1yj/)

(http://s9.postimg.cc/xa35zg9d7/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/xa35zg9d7/)

(http://s9.postimg.cc/57f6sc297/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/57f6sc297/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 28, 2015, 12:23:26 PM
Dave,

nice pics...is your tree in ground, or in a pot?
and is it in mostly shade or mostly sun?
have you pruned it ever?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TheDom on February 28, 2015, 05:41:46 PM
So the addiction continues. On a tip from a friend I picked up these two for $60 each from Driftwood, a local garden supply store and nursery. The one on the R has a trunk a little over 3" (Edit: probably a little under 3") in diameter. It is rootbound something awful though, looks to have been in that same 7gal pot for a while. It's dropping a bunch of its leaves, and unlike the other one I didn't see a bit of fertilizer in the pot.

Any tips on nursing this big guy back to health? I figure I want to get it in either a bigger pot or the ground ASAP, prune back all the scraggly growth, either prune or tease out the roots, and give it some regular and very diluted treatments of fish hydrolysate and of course ample water. Sound good? 
(http://s21.postimg.cc/x6rhgagab/IMG_20150228_165544.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/x6rhgagab/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 01, 2015, 12:16:51 AM
Just prune them up and give them some love...

Be moderate with th fertilizer

Heavy on the water

Low in the pH
So the addiction continues. On a tip from a friend I picked up these two for $60 each from Driftwood, a local garden supply store and nursery. The one on the R has a trunk a little over 3" (Edit: probably a little under 3") in diameter. It is rootbound something awful though, looks to have been in that same 7gal pot for a while. It's dropping a bunch of its leaves, and unlike the other one I didn't see a bit of fertilizer in the pot.

Any tips on nursing this big guy back to health? I figure I want to get it in either a bigger pot or the ground ASAP, prune back all the scraggly growth, either prune or tease out the roots, and give it some regular and very diluted treatments of fish hydrolysate and of course ample water. Sound good? 
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Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on March 01, 2015, 12:46:57 AM
Saw CBS_Davie jabos (along with his other amazing trees) and think I will give pot growing a go since my soil ph is so high. Is there a way to know when they are ready to move up a pot size? What signs do you like for or just move up yearly?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Central Floridave on March 01, 2015, 09:50:54 AM
"nice pics...is your tree in ground, or in a pot?
and is it in mostly shade or mostly sun?
have you pruned it ever?"

Thanks. Tree in ground for about 15 years. Mostly shade. Up against SE corner of my house.  Huge Live Oak grows over it.  Only time I prune it is to stop it from touching the roof line. 

I use wood ash (sparingly from my fire pit) and tons of oak leaf mulch. Only water it with captured rain water.  I've got 3 trees that are producing. Some smaller reds/whites that are still young. 

My advice on growing jaboticaba is basically the same mentioned. Low PH, especially the water source.  Heavy mulch. Never let dry out.    I'm thinking jaboticaba don't like nematodes as the only success I've had is close to the house foundation.  They die a slow death further away. 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Central Floridave on March 01, 2015, 09:56:51 AM

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Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Central Floridave on March 01, 2015, 10:07:50 AM
First photo you can see it growing over the roof line. I cut it back so it doesn't hit the roof in wind storms.  I've encouraged it to grow away from the house as best as possible. 

2nd photo is fruit from January bloom.

3rd photo pulled back shot.  Rain water from the roof channels into this corner of the back patio.  I got a pond and use buckets to capture the water and use it when it doesn't rain.

4th photo, detail showing the girth of the trunk.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Central Floridave on March 01, 2015, 10:10:51 AM
First photo you can also see the Live Oak that towers over my house.  It gets maybe 2-3 hours direct sunlight. Basically shifting shade the other time.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: greenman62 on March 01, 2015, 10:19:24 AM
How long do Jabo's hold on to the fruit ?

Im sure most people pick them as soon as they are ripe
but, if you happen to have a few large trees with a  lot of fruit
(not that i will  have that problem any time soon mind you)
it would be good to know they will keep on the tree for a while
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 01, 2015, 11:14:07 AM
How long do Jabo's hold on to the fruit ?

Im sure most people pick them as soon as they are ripe
but, if you happen to have a few large trees with a  lot of fruit
(not that i will  have that problem any time soon mind you)
it would be good to know they will keep on the tree for a while

depends on species or variety!

sabara can hold for a while, but u cant'really eat them when they first turn black!

they need to turn black, then hang on the tree for a few days or more...then they get a bit rubbery, and soft...this is when they're ready to eat...

but to be honest, it seems like the longer they sit on the tree,(without being molested by wildlife, mind you) the fruits develop a sweeter smoother pulp...up until the inevitable point, when they turn to wine.

the red jaboticaba is unique because it can be eaten at several stages...when partially green (it is tart, and a bit fibrous, but still good if you want to beat the birds)....or when fully red...when the fruit is quite sweet and tart, the skin is thicker when you chew, but comparable to sabara.....or finally when super ripe...the fruits turn a very deep wine red (or purple...not black), and become extremely rubber/soft to the touch...the pulp on the inside is silky smooth, and very succulent...the flavor is so sweet it's incredible...when you juice the fruit at this phase, it's too sweet to drink by itself..i found that it must be cut in half with water, or even use 1/4th juice and 3/4 water...and it will still be sufficiently sweet.

typically the fruits with thicker skins..like M. vexator, M.glazioviana, and P. edulis....can sit on the tree much longer than Sabara, trunciflora, red jabo, and others which are similar.....then you have those like the Grimal, which are in between, having a nice thick skin, that can really hang on the tree even longer than Sabara, but not as long as glazioviana....

the diversity is astounding!  I only have experience with a fraction of what's out there in the world.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: davidgarcia899 on March 02, 2015, 10:57:57 AM
Adam, youre not being fair to yourself, you are the closest thing the US has to a jaboticaba research station
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 02, 2015, 11:07:04 AM
Adam, youre not being fair to yourself, you are the closest thing the US has to a jaboticaba research station

thanks David.

I do believe my collection of Myrciaira/Plinia is one of the largest, if not the most extensive in the world (outside of Brazil...of course the most diversity is in the collections down there...but I've had collectors in Brazil contact me for seeds  :P)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: From the sea on March 02, 2015, 11:11:52 AM
The jabo at Grimal is blooming now, Patrick says its the biggest bloom he has seen on it yet, and way more than when it would bloom before they cleared it out.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 02, 2015, 11:13:27 AM
The jabo at Grimal is blooming now, Patrick says its the biggest bloom he has seen on it yet, and way more than when it would bloom before they cleared it out.

haha that is great news...

did you have lots of rain down there this year??

that will help too!

I bet he's been showing it some extra attention too...I think he's learned a lot about the tree...and the value of it's seeds.... :D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: davidgarcia899 on March 02, 2015, 11:56:10 AM
I need to post a picture of the M. grandifolia I got from you, it flushing at the moment and the new leaves look so cool
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: From the sea on March 02, 2015, 12:07:32 PM


haha that is great news...

did you have lots of rain down there this year??

that will help too!

I bet he's been showing it some extra attention too...I think he's learned a lot about the tree...and the value of it's seeds.... :D

not a lot of rain, but they do water all the trees now.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 02, 2015, 12:08:12 PM
I need to post a picture of the M. grandifolia I got from you, it flushing at the moment and the new leaves look so cool

for sure!

btw..is that one in ground? or in pot?

I believe it's somewhat sensitive to pH, like white jaboticaba.

also...I didn't realize until the whole confusion with M. spirito-sanctensis and the Grimal (Myrciaria sp., also known as Peluda de Alagoas)....that M. spirito-sanctensis is closely related to M. aurena, M. grandifolia, and M. phitrantha (and probably a few more species I'm ignorant of)...they are part of a species complex. 

(and The Grimal is not part of this group.)

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 02, 2015, 12:10:59 PM
thanks for the info!

that makes sense.

If you can take some pics please do!!

or maybe we can convince Patrick to take some??


haha that is great news...

did you have lots of rain down there this year??

that will help too!

I bet he's been showing it some extra attention too...I think he's learned a lot about the tree...and the value of it's seeds.... :D

not a lot of rain, but they do water all the trees now.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: From the sea on March 02, 2015, 12:19:15 PM
I will on Friday when I'm there with my wife's class.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: davidgarcia899 on March 02, 2015, 02:32:45 PM
I planted it in the ground a couple months ago, its on an elevated mound with alot of compost.

My in ground collection (stuff ive mostly gotten from you) include Coronata var. restinga, grandfolia, a different Coronata, 2 paulista, 2 cambuca,1 yellow, sabra, 2 white, a grimal, and two reds.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: davidgarcia899 on March 02, 2015, 02:35:34 PM
My Grimal and a couple other things I planted near it look awful and I finally figure out why. I was so afraid of PH issues that I replaced like 75% of the native soil with compost and that compost degraded to basically sand so it holds like zero water and takes forever to rehydrate
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 02, 2015, 03:39:40 PM
keep me posted, I'm curious to see how your grandifolia holds up in the redlands soil!

i notice when we have lots of rain, even the plants that are in high pH soil can start to look happy...especially during spring...when temps are not as high, and the plants are not metabolizing as fast.

when the heat picks up in June, then you really start to see nutritional deficiencies, and sun burnt leaves.  Especially if we have a drought!!

I planted it in the ground a couple months ago, its on an elevated mound with alot of compost.

My in ground collection (stuff ive mostly gotten from you) include Coronata var. restinga, grandfolia, a different Coronata, 2 paulista, 2 cambuca,1 yellow, sabra, 2 white, a grimal, and two reds.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: davidgarcia899 on March 03, 2015, 12:01:33 AM
Drought is definitely one of Jabos major enemies
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on March 04, 2015, 01:12:26 PM
Since I got her at Benders, she dropped a bunch of leaves, guessing from the cold. Still debating on where to plant her or keep her in pot, need to do a bunch more research and questions till I decide as my soil is very alkaline.  So either gotta figure out how to bring it down enough to keep her happy. Watering is not a problem as where I plan to plant her has a hose feet away.  I noticed today a BUNCH of new growth, and some peeling on the main barks (not sure if that means a good thing or bad thing) What is the expected final container size for a mature Red Jabo and how often does it need to be repotted once mature? At what point would you attack it with the shears to prune it? Wait for this growth to fully flush before nipping branches?

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So in the matter of a week !!!!! Looks much better now! She is full of leaves and more coming.


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Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TheDom on March 04, 2015, 02:20:29 PM
Glad to see how quickly that one turned around for you. It gives me hope for mine that was dropping leaves all over the place as I was loading it in the car.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 04, 2015, 03:01:26 PM
Glad to see how quickly that one turned around for you. It gives me hope for mine that was dropping leaves all over the place as I was loading it in the car.

This time of year they shed leaves.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on March 04, 2015, 06:40:46 PM
Was at a local nursery and forgot to take pictures of a nice Jabo with a Zills tag on it. Was in a big container going for $250. Was tempted, but have appointment at Excalibur Saturday lol  If the right Jabo presents itself might walk out of Excalibur with another Jabo.  But yeah Dom, this Jabo was looking pretty leafless not even 2 weeks ago. Kept watering every third day or so depending on rains and she seems happy.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 04, 2015, 07:39:23 PM
Was at a local nursery and forgot to take pictures of a nice Jabo with a Zills tag on it. Was in a big container going for $250. Was tempted, but have appointment at Excalibur Saturday lol  If the right Jabo presents itself might walk out of Excalibur with another Jabo.  But yeah Dom, this Jabo was looking pretty leafless not even 2 weeks ago. Kept watering every third day or so depending on rains and she seems happy.

Probably a 25 gal Sabara...I have them available here in a 15 gal, but probably almost as big as the tree you saw, for $150

The trees are about 6-7ft tall, and beautiful...ready to fruit this year if u r lucky(or maybe 2 yrs max)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Tropicaliste on March 04, 2015, 11:56:54 PM
My grafted Grimal from you Adam keeps pushing new growth, it's kind of exploding. It's covered in the bay window and I water it with tap water, lately fish and kelp emulsion, and it keeps growing. Is that normal for this time of year? Does it prefer cooler weather?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 05, 2015, 12:00:53 AM
My grafted Grimal from you Adam keeps pushing new growth, it's kind of exploding. It's covered in the bay window and I water it with tap water, lately fish and kelp emulsion, and it keeps growing. Is that normal for this time of year? Does it prefer cooler weather?

normal for sure...they explode in spring...and grow very well..but then intense heat of summer (here in FL), starts to make the leaves look burnt.

they will be fine, but just not as pretty...

then finally the weather cools again in Fall (Sept-Dec) and they start to grow nicely again...almost like in spring.

Make sure to keep any suckers in check...i notice the grimals like to send out tons of suckers!  they look like lances, or spears....and the flowers look like clusters of grapes (or balls)...break off all the lances!!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on March 06, 2015, 10:31:48 AM
My grafted Grimal from you Adam keeps pushing new growth, it's kind of exploding. It's covered in the bay window and I water it with tap water, lately fish and kelp emulsion, and it keeps growing. Is that normal for this time of year? Does it prefer cooler weather?

normal for sure...they explode in spring...and grow very well..but then intense heat of summer (here in FL), starts to make the leaves look burnt.

they will be fine, but just not as pretty...

then finally the weather cools again in Fall (Sept-Dec) and they start to grow nicely again...almost like in spring.

Make sure to keep any suckers in check...i notice the grimals like to send out tons of suckers!  they look like lances, or spears....and the flowers look like clusters of grapes (or balls)...break off all the lances!!

Jabos are hardy!  I had a nice red jabo that I placed where i wanted to plant it and forgot all about it.  After a few weeks in the sun, it was dry as a bone.  Thought it was a lost cause, but noticed today (after about 3-4 weeks in rehab) that new leaves are pushing!!  Grimal is also pushing leaves, after a year in the ground without any growth spurts.  This is a nice time of year in the garden...so much activity!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on March 06, 2015, 11:08:00 AM
Absolutely nice Gunnar, Seems like things change/grow by the day.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 06, 2015, 05:38:47 PM
the red jabos are fruiting very nicely in the greenhouse.

this is already the second decent crop of the year.

having more than 10 fruiting trees, the production is virtually non-stop.

I'm going to make some serious fruit leather out of this batch...maybe some juice and jam...

still have lots of flowers coming, and lots of green fruits.

there are not many fruit trees I've seen that can produce as much as the Red jaboticaba
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Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Dangermouse01 on March 06, 2015, 05:41:30 PM
My Grimal is getting ready to explode in flowers.
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DM
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 06, 2015, 05:43:51 PM
Nice pic!

if you have a sabara or red jabo blooming at the same time, try to cross pollinate with the Grimal!!

my Grimals are about to bloom like crazy as well!
My Grimal is getting ready to explode in flowers.
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DM
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TheDom on March 06, 2015, 07:11:27 PM
Nice pics folks! Hopefully in another year or two I'll be able to post some!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: jackedfruit on March 07, 2015, 09:12:52 AM
Hi Adam!

I would just like to give you an update on the seeds you sent to Sweden a few months ago, they are finally starting to put out some growth (at a somewhat pleasant rate). 

Myrciaria guaquiea
(http://i.imgur.com/GeJjhB5.jpg)
Myrciaria cauliflora
(http://i.imgur.com/wIS8t6v.jpg)

Anyways, I've been looking through a lot of book for M.guaquiea but haven't found any solid information on cultivation. Could you maybe point me in the right direction? Any good books or websites treating this species (preferably in English or Spanish)?

What soil and what pH is optimal?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 07, 2015, 12:26:25 PM
Jackedfruit

Thanks for the update!

They both enjoy an acid pH, of about 6.5-5.5 (I believe it can be lower and it will be ok)

Just be careful keeping them inside your house (if they are)

They need humidity or else the leaves will have trouble growing, and you wil get burnt tips.

If you are keeping them in the house, at some point soon, you may want to make some sort of covering for them...like a clear plastic bag, or plastic bottle.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: jackedfruit on March 07, 2015, 04:57:07 PM
Jackedfruit

Thanks for the update!

They both enjoy an acid pH, of about 6.5-5.5 (I believe it can be lower and it will be ok)

Just be careful keeping them inside your house (if they are)

They need humidity or else the leaves will have trouble growing, and you wil get burnt tips.

If you are keeping them in the house, at some point soon, you may want to make some sort of covering for them...like a clear plastic bag, or plastic bottle.

Thank you for the information!

I figured they would like a slightly acid soil so I planted them in a 5,8 mix but it's always good to get the confirmation from someone successfully growing the species!

I'm keeping them in room with 80F; RH 60% at the moment but when temperatures rises a bit, in a month or so, they will be placed in a greenhouse with my other tropical’s :)


Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on March 08, 2015, 11:42:57 AM
Adam, thanks for posting pic's of amazing red jabo harvest. Can't wait until my seedlings fruit ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 08, 2015, 03:06:41 PM
Adam, thanks for posting pic's of amazing red jabo harvest. Can't wait until my seedlings fruit ;)

thanks Robert!

I think I got about 10lbs, or more, but I didn't weight it.

I washed it all up, and juiced it...

now I'm dehydrating the pulp into fruit leathers...

I will post pics.

last time i made the fruit leathers I didn't pour the juice on the tray thick enough...this time it's going to be something I can chew on....I made sure to pour it on the tray as heavy as possible...so the leather will be about 4 times as thick.

Looks like I'll have enough juice to make about 10 batches? maybe more??
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: davidgarcia899 on March 08, 2015, 06:49:29 PM
Fruit leathers?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 08, 2015, 06:55:16 PM
Fruit leathers?

Never heard of them?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on March 08, 2015, 07:44:27 PM
Fruit leather sounds wonderful, you said that you juiced them then lay out for leather, how to you get seeds out? ;) 8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 08, 2015, 07:46:13 PM
Fruit leather sounds wonderful, you said that you juiced them then lay out for leather, how to you get seeds out? ;) 8)

I mash the fruits through a colander and separate the seeds and skins from the juice and pulp

About 20-30% of the pulp / juice can't be recovered becasue it clings tenaciously to the seeds.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on March 08, 2015, 07:56:37 PM
Nice Adam, thanks for detailed method ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: CGameProgrammer on March 09, 2015, 12:54:56 AM
Fruit leathers are sheets of pureed dried fruit. Fruit roll-ups are similar, if that helps.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 09, 2015, 12:57:44 AM
Fruit leathers are sheets of pureed dried fruit. Fruit roll-ups are similar, if that helps.

I've always been a fruit leather fiend...now that I can manufacture my own high quality leathers, it's going to be hard to go back to the store boughts.  :D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bush2Beach on March 09, 2015, 11:51:07 AM
Yeah, they don't have your flavors at the store. The combo of those and the juice sound amazing. I'm just now polishing off my Jabo jelly stash and starting to fiend for Jabo. I Should have bought 3 15 G back in September when I had the chance and I would be that much closer.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on March 09, 2015, 07:17:53 PM
Adam, you still gonna do that pruning video?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 09, 2015, 07:33:06 PM
Adam, you still gonna do that pruning video?

yes..just waiting for my bro to get a professional camera..maybe this weekend...

my trees are sooooo ready to be pruned....

the before and after will be crazy....

i have Fruiting Red jabos, Blue Jabos, White Jabos, Yellow Jabos, Grimal Jabos, and a bunch of other jabos I can't pronounce...

you'll just have to see what I'm squawking about  :P
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on March 09, 2015, 07:52:39 PM
LOL do you sell and ship the fruit with in florida?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 09, 2015, 07:59:03 PM
LOL do you sell and ship the fruit with in florida?

in the not so distant future I will be able to sell some fruit, but now we mostly sell seeds.

I do allow visitors to eat the fruits when they are hear!  just spit out the seeds!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ftmyersfruit on March 09, 2015, 08:05:32 PM
I have quite a lot of confusion as to which type these are with conflicting identification from multiple people. Can anyone identify with any certainty? Images 1 & 2 are the same plant. Images 3 & 4 are two additional different plants. Thank you in advance.

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 ;)
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Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 09, 2015, 08:16:19 PM
blue jabo in pics 1 & 2 (m vexator)

pic 3 is (Sabara)( M. jaboticaba) always sold mislabeled as M. cauliflora, which I can assure you, it is NOT

pic4, is the Hybrid Red Jaboticaba, aka Precoce, or Hibrida...looks like maybe yours got dry? or maybe too much fert? or high pH city water?

it will bounce back don't worry..just keep it watered, and don't over fertilize it..they can die from too much Nitrogen



Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ftmyersfruit on March 09, 2015, 08:18:45 PM
Thank you. I was most confused by the hybrid. I will have to read more about that. Thanks again!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ftmyersfruit on March 09, 2015, 08:20:15 PM
Yes it did get a little dry when I was out of town unfortunately someone forgot to water for me.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 09, 2015, 08:24:13 PM
Yes it did get a little dry when I was out of town unfortunately someone forgot to water for me.

it will be ok..it might even make it stronger!

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ftmyersfruit on March 09, 2015, 08:40:50 PM
I water with well water. I am working on putting in a rainwater system solely for the jaboticabas, particularly when the smaller ones are large enough to plant.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 09, 2015, 08:51:47 PM
I water with well water. I am working on putting in a rainwater system solely for the jaboticabas, particularly when the smaller ones are large enough to plant.

sounds like u have the right idea...if your well water is problematic (which it most likely is not), you can always drench occasionally with chelated Fe to treat any nutritional deficiencies.

if you can collect rainwater for your plants, the pH sensitive varieties will love it!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: KennyT on March 10, 2015, 10:25:50 AM
Can someone help to confirm that these two plants are Sabara, thanks
(http://s24.postimg.cc/6sa0g1ksh/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6sa0g1ksh/)

(http://s24.postimg.cc/sq6h9tzsx/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/sq6h9tzsx/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 10, 2015, 12:07:42 PM
looks like sabara...but close up pics of the leaves would be helpful.

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: davidgarcia899 on March 10, 2015, 12:24:14 PM
Leaves look a little big to be sabrara, but I'd defer to Adam's opinion
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: KennyT on March 10, 2015, 08:27:37 PM
Another picture that has better view of the leaves. Actually the seller only say that it is Jaboticaba from Taiwan, it is my understanding that most Jaboticaba in Taiwan are Sabara. Especially at the price of less than US13 for a 1 meter plant. A friend of mine in China is getting this, he ask me to help to confirm that it is a real Jaboticaba.
(http://s15.postimg.cc/njl6gu8mv/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/njl6gu8mv/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 10, 2015, 08:58:52 PM
sabara
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: KennyT on March 10, 2015, 09:46:10 PM
Thanks Adam.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Central Floridave on March 12, 2015, 08:37:54 AM
3rd bloom of the year for this tree. Looks to be a super bloom.  I guess it liked the shovel full of wood ash a month ago!

Difficult to get a good photo.
(http://s29.postimg.cc/kztl60hhv/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/kztl60hhv/)

(http://s29.postimg.cc/aoh8dcpsj/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/aoh8dcpsj/)

(http://s29.postimg.cc/o4492syab/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/o4492syab/)

(http://s29.postimg.cc/kvv6c0mmr/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/kvv6c0mmr/)

(http://s29.postimg.cc/tn276a5xv/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tn276a5xv/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: raimeiken on March 12, 2015, 02:17:04 PM
What's the difference between a red hybrid jabo and a regular sabara? Any leaf difference?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bush2Beach on March 12, 2015, 02:33:03 PM
Back that thread up.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TheDom on March 14, 2015, 09:38:20 PM
Re:pruning, I was looking at the very unpruned jaboticaba outside of ECHO earlier today, and I was wondering if leaving one more bushy might help to keep bird predation down. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Das Bhut on March 14, 2015, 10:22:21 PM
Which kind of jaboticaba would most likely be able to live in a spot that has water 4 feet / 1 foot deep at all times?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: CGameProgrammer on March 14, 2015, 10:38:42 PM
None. They like occasional temporary flooding but die from root rot if kept in standing water all the time.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 14, 2015, 10:47:21 PM
Re:pruning, I was looking at the very unpruned jaboticaba outside of ECHO earlier today, and I was wondering if leaving one more bushy might help to keep bird predation down. Thoughts?

definitely.

we've touched on this subject before...

it will make your fruit vulnerable, by virtue of them being exposed more, and also the tree will have much more fruit to be seen, and stolen, because it's so much more productive!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Das Bhut on March 14, 2015, 11:04:58 PM
None. They like occasional temporary flooding but die from root rot if kept in standing water all the time.

I'll take that as a challenge I suppose
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on March 14, 2015, 11:13:31 PM
If your tree is not too big, maybe put like a chicken wire cage around it on all sides, maybe cylindrical with a top to prevent birds from getting at it?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: From the sea on March 15, 2015, 07:15:06 AM
If your tree is not too big, maybe put like a chicken wire cage around it on all sides, maybe cylindrical with a top to prevent birds from getting at it?


http://www.amazon.com/Dalen-BN4-45-Foot-Bird-X-4-Inch/dp/B0016APS14/ref=pd_sim_lg_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=1XBW4Z5RYSE25WKZ1E97 (http://www.amazon.com/Dalen-BN4-45-Foot-Bird-X-4-Inch/dp/B0016APS14/ref=pd_sim_lg_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=1XBW4Z5RYSE25WKZ1E97)

I use this, way softer than chicken netting.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on March 15, 2015, 07:55:35 AM
Re:pruning, I was looking at the very unpruned jaboticaba outside of ECHO earlier today, and I was wondering if leaving one more bushy might help to keep bird predation down. Thoughts?

definitely.

we've touched on this subject before...

it will make your fruit vulnerable, by virtue of them being exposed more, and also the tree will have much more fruit to be seen, and stolen, because it's so much more productive!

When jaboticabas are happy they produce incredibly so much fruit that everyone has more than enough, both people and animals. Birds will tend to eat the ones at the top and people the ones at the bottom. And even so the ground will still be carpeted in fruits. What is the good of birds not stealing anything if the tree also hardly produces anything? I'd rather go with plan B: Bountiful.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TheDom on March 15, 2015, 09:07:41 AM
Thanks, sorry if that had been discussed earlier in the thread and I missed it. I'm generally also in favor of the more bountiful option, but Jabomano talking about having one of his jabos stripped bare in a day when he forgot the bird netting had me thinking.

Re:pruning, I was looking at the very unpruned jaboticaba outside of ECHO earlier today, and I was wondering if leaving one more bushy might help to keep bird predation down. Thoughts?

definitely.

we've touched on this subject before...

it will make your fruit vulnerable, by virtue of them being exposed more, and also the tree will have much more fruit to be seen, and stolen, because it's so much more productive!

When jaboticabas are happy they produce incredibly so much fruit that everyone has more than enough, both people and animals. Birds will tend to eat the ones at the top and people the ones at the bottom. And even so the ground will still be carpeted in fruits. What is the good of birds not stealing anything if the tree also hardly produces anything? I'd rather go with plan B: Bountiful.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 15, 2015, 10:37:36 AM
Dom,

No worries...it would have been almost impossible to find the info by searching the forum.

Aside from bird netting, I've also used tin foil to cover the fruiting branches (wrapping them up like a burrito)

It looks like a space alien is protecting your fruits...I'm not sure if the homeowners association will be keen on this...but I'm certain the jaboticaba consuming wildlife is not!

Thanks, sorry if that had been discussed earlier in the thread and I missed it. I'm generally also in favor of the more bountiful option, but Jabomano talking about having one of his jabos stripped bare in a day when he forgot the bird netting had me thinking.

Re:pruning, I was looking at the very unpruned jaboticaba outside of ECHO earlier today, and I was wondering if leaving one more bushy might help to keep bird predation down. Thoughts?

definitely.

we've touched on this subject before...

it will make your fruit vulnerable, by virtue of them being exposed more, and also the tree will have much more fruit to be seen, and stolen, because it's so much more productive!

When jaboticabas are happy they produce incredibly so much fruit that everyone has more than enough, both people and animals. Birds will tend to eat the ones at the top and people the ones at the bottom. And even so the ground will still be carpeted in fruits. What is the good of birds not stealing anything if the tree also hardly produces anything? I'd rather go with plan B: Bountiful.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: greenman62 on March 15, 2015, 12:35:36 PM

I have a Cauliflora (or Sabra?) from PIN
i had pruned the bottom and figured i should try to root it.

its been in water for almost 3 months.
no roots yet, but this is its second set of leaves (LOL)

any ideas ?

I cut the leaves off the first time.
this time, there were 6, and i left 2 on it. a small one, and
cut the remaining one in half.

(http://s10.postimg.cc/dcdzm9zit/P3150001.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/dcdzm9zit/)

(http://s12.postimg.cc/ygebm0ekp/P3150002.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ygebm0ekp/)

(http://s8.postimg.cc/haflbg44x/P3150003.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/haflbg44x/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: raimeiken on March 24, 2015, 11:16:30 AM
blue jabo in pics 1 & 2 (m vexator)

pic 3 is (Sabara)( M. jaboticaba) always sold mislabeled as M. cauliflora, which I can assure you, it is NOT

pic4, is the Hybrid Red Jaboticaba, aka Precoce, or Hibrida...looks like maybe yours got dry? or maybe too much fert? or high pH city water?

it will bounce back don't worry..just keep it watered, and don't over fertilize it..they can die from too much Nitrogen

how does one tell the difference between the hybrid red from a sabara? Do you have a side by side leaf pics to tell the difference or is it also something with the trunk color?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 24, 2015, 11:24:42 AM
blue jabo in pics 1 & 2 (m vexator)

pic 3 is (Sabara)( M. jaboticaba) always sold mislabeled as M. cauliflora, which I can assure you, it is NOT

pic4, is the Hybrid Red Jaboticaba, aka Precoce, or Hibrida...looks like maybe yours got dry? or maybe too much fert? or high pH city water?

it will bounce back don't worry..just keep it watered, and don't over fertilize it..they can die from too much Nitrogen

how does one tell the difference between the hybrid red from a sabara? Do you have a side by side leaf pics to tell the difference or is it also something with the trunk color?
red leaf is larger, with more impressed nerves..also seems a lighter shade of green than sabara...and is a shorter tree than sabara, that suckers more.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: raimeiken on March 24, 2015, 12:34:33 PM
still tough for me to differentiate from images I looked through this thread. I have 3 Jabos that I got and were labeled as M.Cauliflora from PIN. Which I believe are just regular Sabaras. Here's some pics.


This one was planted in ground a year ago and started to flush out new bigger leaves this February since I started to foliar feed it.
(http://i.imgur.com/F0aYeXx.jpg?1)


These other two are relatively new. Just got them about 3 months ago and planted them in ground right away. They flushed new leaves a couple weeks ago but are about the same size as the old leaves they have.
(http://i.imgur.com/ygG06Xr.jpg)


Here's a comparison on the leaf size. Left and middle are from the two new trees, and the right big leaf is from the one I got a year ago.
(http://i.imgur.com/T57QB7Y.jpg?1)

What do you think? are all three just regular sabaras?

I'd like to know because the guy I buy these from he gets these from PIN and he supposedly have one red jabo in hand and I want to be able to ID it from the leaves if it is a red one or not. 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 24, 2015, 02:33:16 PM
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1926.msg54242#msg54242 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1926.msg54242#msg54242)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bob407 on March 24, 2015, 03:18:33 PM

I have a Cauliflora (or Sabra?) from PIN
i had pruned the bottom and figured i should try to root it.

its been in water for almost 3 months.
no roots yet, but this is its second set of leaves (LOL)

any ideas ?

I cut the leaves off the first time.
this time, there were 6, and i left 2 on it. a small one, and
cut the remaining one in half.

([url]http://s10.postimg.cc/dcdzm9zit/P3150001.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/dcdzm9zit/[/url])

([url]http://s12.postimg.cc/ygebm0ekp/P3150002.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/ygebm0ekp/[/url])

([url]http://s8.postimg.cc/haflbg44x/P3150003.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/haflbg44x/[/url])




That is interesting. I had an extra Grimald scion several months ago and wrapped the top half in buddy tape and stuck it in the dirt half buried in a pot with a Sabara. It never pushed leaves or rooted and eventually rotted. I thought it was worth a try.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 24, 2015, 03:28:43 PM
although it will push leaves and remain alive...it won't form roots just being submerged in water...you must have the right medium to root cuttings.

cuttings are easy to root, they just take forever it seems.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TheDom on March 24, 2015, 05:52:08 PM
Hooray cocktail jabo? I think it was about 3-4wks ago that I made my second ever attempt at grafting anything, and it is looking like I might be able to declare victory! It's a grimal cutting cleft grafted on to one of our smaller sabaras.
(http://s18.postimg.cc/vojh9rjdh/IMG_20150321_074716425.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/vojh9rjdh/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 24, 2015, 07:23:25 PM
Hooray cocktail jabo? I think it was about 3-4wks ago that I made my second ever attempt at grafting anything, and it is looking like I might be able to declare victory! It's a grimal cutting cleft grafted on to one of our smaller sabaras.
([url]http://s18.postimg.cc/vojh9rjdh/IMG_20150321_074716425.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/vojh9rjdh/[/url])


it's that easy!  now you have the power to collect more jaboticabas than the average Joe....without grafting, your collection would be limited!

nice work!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bush2Beach on March 25, 2015, 11:59:57 AM
Hooray cocktail jabo? I think it was about 3-4wks ago that I made my second ever attempt at grafting anything, and it is looking like I might be able to declare victory! It's a grimal cutting cleft grafted on to one of our smaller sabaras.
([url]http://s18.postimg.cc/vojh9rjdh/IMG_20150321_074716425.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/vojh9rjdh/[/url])


Nice job! I have a bunch of Sabara seedlings getting thick enough to graft , thanks for the inspiration.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TheDom on March 25, 2015, 03:56:53 PM
Yeah, go get em!

Hooray cocktail jabo? I think it was about 3-4wks ago that I made my second ever attempt at grafting anything, and it is looking like I might be able to declare victory! It's a grimal cutting cleft grafted on to one of our smaller sabaras.
([url]http://s18.postimg.cc/vojh9rjdh/IMG_20150321_074716425.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/vojh9rjdh/[/url])


Nice job! I have a bunch of Sabara seedlings getting thick enough to graft , thanks for the inspiration.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Central Floridave on March 26, 2015, 11:19:00 AM
So...I had the distinct pleasure to meet Adam and hear his speech at the Brevard Tropical Fruit Club last night! 

what a great and entertaining speaker he is.  Topic was grafting Jaboticaba.  I have no interest in grafting but was entertained to see how to do it.  Adam is funny in real life just like he is on this forum!   He has reached Rock-Star level in the Tropical Fruit Tree world!  Rock on Adam!  Thanks for the speech and for the trees.  Enjoyed it. 

...also, picked up a grimal, yellow, and won the door prize for another jaboticaba!  Woot! 

#officialmemberJaboticabaholicsAnonymous
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 26, 2015, 12:25:28 PM
haha!

thanks for the kind words Dave!  It means a lot to me!

It was definitely nice to meet another upstanding forum member in person!

I hope you can come visit the nursery soon...If all goes well, I will have yellow jaboticaba, red jaboticaba, Grimal jaboticaba, blue jaboticaba, pitangatuba, Zill Dark and smooth pitangas, savannah pitanga, uvalha, pitomba, rainforest plum, cedar bay cherry, and possibly a few others, in limited amounts for friends and customers to taste!

So...I had the distinct pleasure to meet Adam and hear his speech at the Brevard Tropical Fruit Club last night! 

what a great and entertaining speaker he is.  Topic was grafting Jaboticaba.  I have no interest in grafting but was entertained to see how to do it.  Adam is funny in real life just like he is on this forum!   He has reached Rock-Star level in the Tropical Fruit Tree world!  Rock on Adam!  Thanks for the speech and for the trees.  Enjoyed it. 

...also, picked up a grimal, yellow, and won the door prize for another jaboticaba!  Woot! 

#officialmemberJaboticabaholicsAnonymous
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Central Floridave on March 26, 2015, 01:05:53 PM
Couple photos from last night. iPhone so poor quality.
(http://s30.postimg.cc/e3hc501bx/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/e3hc501bx/)

(http://s30.postimg.cc/yz3mg8xj1/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/yz3mg8xj1/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Central Floridave on March 26, 2015, 01:09:53 PM
Photo this morning of my largest jaboticaba. It is absolutely loaded!
(http://s2.postimg.cc/akvgc8ajp/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/akvgc8ajp/)

(http://s2.postimg.cc/7faum0rxh/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7faum0rxh/)

(http://s2.postimg.cc/w4ql6f5gl/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/w4ql6f5gl/)

(http://s2.postimg.cc/55mqb9izp/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/55mqb9izp/)

(http://s2.postimg.cc/bi1vl3m1x/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bi1vl3m1x/)

(http://s2.postimg.cc/s4jfu6ezp/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/s4jfu6ezp/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Central Floridave on March 26, 2015, 01:15:09 PM
I only use captured rain water or nasty pond water.  The buckets are out today as we are expecting rain today.  My well water is high alkaline/ph so when I run out of rain water I fill that pond up and dump a wheel barrow of oak debris in it and let it cure.  It's nasty water but I think the jaboticaba like it!
(http://s27.postimg.cc/wstid7cpr/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wstid7cpr/)

(http://s27.postimg.cc/k3z7tj6lb/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/k3z7tj6lb/)

(http://s27.postimg.cc/bhvy8xulb/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bhvy8xulb/)

(http://s27.postimg.cc/msylxb1gf/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/msylxb1gf/)

(http://s27.postimg.cc/8wqdlf57j/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/8wqdlf57j/)

(http://s27.postimg.cc/t2tvkb0v3/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/t2tvkb0v3/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Central Floridave on March 26, 2015, 01:17:11 PM
The small bush photo above is from my stash I scored last night. A Grimal, yellow, and door prize jabo.

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 26, 2015, 01:50:32 PM
([url]http://s30.postimg.cc/yz3mg8xj1/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/yz3mg8xj1/[/url])


hahaha!  you got a pic of my mudflap!  Nice!

I got the haircut as a joke last week, and ended up keeping it...(It's the first time I've gone to a barber in the last 15 yrs...I usually let my hair grow out until I can't stand it, then shave it on a number 8 )....this mullet thing is working out great so far...I'm just a FL nursery man, good ol' boy!

here is a pic Bob took after I got the mullet installed...I was planting a 25 gal Garcinia from Luc...but I look more like a foreman on a construction site.  :P

(http://s9.postimg.cc/wkxbufzob/dcard0_DCIM_Camera_IMG_20150319_184457.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wkxbufzob/)


Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Dangermouse01 on March 26, 2015, 04:29:12 PM
The small bush photo above is from my stash I scored last night. A Grimal, yellow, and door prize jabo.

I think the door prize jabo is a Red that Adam donated. I don't remember seeing any other jabos on the table.

DM
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 26, 2015, 04:36:53 PM
The small bush photo above is from my stash I scored last night. A Grimal, yellow, and door prize jabo.

I think the door prize jabo is a Red that Adam donated. I don't remember seeing any other jabos on the table.

DM

Yes!  It was a root bound one gallon!

It needed to be pruned, but could fruit in just 1-2 yrs with proper care!!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Central Floridave on March 26, 2015, 04:53:12 PM
Cool, then that would make the 3rd Red I have.    My wife asked where I was going to plant them. I just shrugged and said 'somewhere'.  Do we even think about that with our obsession?    Got a couple whites, 4 or 5 sabara's (3 fruiting age). Now a Yellow.  I guess blue is next.  LOL.  Wish me luck. My main problem is keeping fresh water on them.  My only water sources are alkaline well water or rain.   Too bad they aren't a little more drought friendly!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Das Bhut on March 26, 2015, 07:37:12 PM
Cool, then that would make the 3rd Red I have.    My wife asked where I was going to plant them. I just shrugged and said 'somewhere'.  Do we even think about that with our obsession?    Got a couple whites, 4 or 5 sabara's (3 fruiting age). Now a Yellow.  I guess blue is next.  LOL.  Wish me luck. My main problem is keeping fresh water on them.  My only water sources are alkaline well water or rain.   Too bad they aren't a little more drought friendly!

What are the differences between blue and the normal ones?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Central Floridave on March 26, 2015, 08:33:02 PM
Sorry. I have no idea about the blues.  Unless we are talking about the delta blues. (Re: music)

The yellow looks like it has a different ornamental look!


(http://s11.postimg.cc/aj7yn0nbj/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/aj7yn0nbj/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 26, 2015, 08:55:50 PM
totally different...blue has super thick tannic skin, and large seeds...but has a unique exquisite flavor when properly grown, and eaten.

Cool, then that would make the 3rd Red I have.    My wife asked where I was going to plant them. I just shrugged and said 'somewhere'.  Do we even think about that with our obsession?    Got a couple whites, 4 or 5 sabara's (3 fruiting age). Now a Yellow.  I guess blue is next.  LOL.  Wish me luck. My main problem is keeping fresh water on them.  My only water sources are alkaline well water or rain.   Too bad they aren't a little more drought friendly!

What are the differences between blue and the normal ones?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Qoppa on March 26, 2015, 10:21:05 PM
([url]http://s30.postimg.cc/yz3mg8xj1/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/yz3mg8xj1/[/url])


hahaha!  you got a pic of my mudflap!  Nice!

I got the haircut as a joke last week, and ended up keeping it...(It's the first time I've gone to a barber in the last 15 yrs...I usually let my hair grow out until I can't stand it, then shave it on a number 8 )....this mullet thing is working out great so far...I'm just a FL nursery man, good ol' boy!

here is a pic Bob took after I got the mullet installed...I was planting a 25 gal Garcinia from Luc...but I look more like a foreman on a construction site.  :P

([url]http://s9.postimg.cc/wkxbufzob/dcard0_DCIM_Camera_IMG_20150319_184457.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/wkxbufzob/[/url])


So you're willing to post a photo of yourself mulletized but just last year, this is all you were willing to let the internet see of you:


(http://s9.postimg.cc/5o05yvv4r/CAM00657.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5o05yvv4r/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: davidgarcia899 on March 26, 2015, 10:29:09 PM
Lol, I thought that was a pony tail.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Qoppa on March 26, 2015, 10:33:50 PM
Lol, I thought that was a pony tail.

Same here.  However, it seems he has upgraded himself to redneck.  Whoooooo!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 26, 2015, 10:36:53 PM
([url]http://s30.postimg.cc/yz3mg8xj1/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/yz3mg8xj1/[/url])


hahaha!  you got a pic of my mudflap!  Nice!

I got the haircut as a joke last week, and ended up keeping it...(It's the first time I've gone to a barber in the last 15 yrs...I usually let my hair grow out until I can't stand it, then shave it on a number 8 )....this mullet thing is working out great so far...I'm just a FL nursery man, good ol' boy!

here is a pic Bob took after I got the mullet installed...I was planting a 25 gal Garcinia from Luc...but I look more like a foreman on a construction site.  :P

([url]http://s9.postimg.cc/wkxbufzob/dcard0_DCIM_Camera_IMG_20150319_184457.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/wkxbufzob/[/url])


So you're willing to post a photo of yourself mulletized but just last year, this is all you were willing to let the internet see of you:


([url]http://s9.postimg.cc/5o05yvv4r/CAM00657.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/5o05yvv4r/[/url])


Hahaha!  That's a great pic...(your expression is great...like, "is this tweaker seriously gonna cover his face for a photo?  does he owe child support payments or what?")  :P

at the time I was trying to keep my photo from being posted for as long as possible.  I liked the fact that you could remain somewhat anonymous...it's always interesting to read someone's writings for a few years...and then finally see their mug.


Since then (I don't remember when exactly), my picture made it on the forum.  At first it was the jew fro, now it's the jullet.  :P

I'm trying to get my own reality show on vh1.  ::)  :P
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Qoppa on March 26, 2015, 10:48:31 PM
Quote
Hahaha!  That's a great pic...(your expression is great...like, "is this tweaker seriously gonna cover his face for a photo?  does he owe child support payments or what?")  :P

at the time I was trying to keep my photo from being posted for as long as possible.  I liked the fact that you could remain somewhat anonymous...it's always interesting to read someone's writings for a few years...and then finally see their mug.


Since then (I don't remember when exactly), my picture made it on the forum.  At first it was the jew fro, now it's the jullet.  :P

I'm trying to get my own reality show on vh1.  ::)  :P

Yeah, I saw a few of the videos that started to show up (Grimal Grove, Pitangatuba) and then you started posting your own.  I figured it was inevitable. 

!לחיים
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 27, 2015, 01:06:30 AM
hard to tell from the pics...but looks like you have a sabara...and the first one looks almost like Grimal, having larger leaves.

but it can be really hard to tell them apart, especially if the leaves are not perfectly healthy...or if one tree is grown in the shade, and another is in full sun (It can make the leaves look very different)

try to take pics of the leaves, top and bottom, and compare them...and also pics of new growth.

still tough for me to differentiate from images I looked through this thread. I have 3 Jabos that I got and were labeled as M.Cauliflora from PIN. Which I believe are just regular Sabaras. Here's some pics.


This one was planted in ground a year ago and started to flush out new bigger leaves this February since I started to foliar feed it.
([url]http://i.imgur.com/F0aYeXx.jpg?1[/url])


These other two are relatively new. Just got them about 3 months ago and planted them in ground right away. They flushed new leaves a couple weeks ago but are about the same size as the old leaves they have.
([url]http://i.imgur.com/ygG06Xr.jpg[/url])


Here's a comparison on the leaf size. Left and middle are from the two new trees, and the right big leaf is from the one I got a year ago.
([url]http://i.imgur.com/T57QB7Y.jpg?1[/url])

What do you think? are all three just regular sabaras?

I'd like to know because the guy I buy these from he gets these from PIN and he supposedly have one red jabo in hand and I want to be able to ID it from the leaves if it is a red one or not.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on March 27, 2015, 10:16:03 AM
To the Jaboticabaholics, I present you the biggest jabo that I ever seen!!!! Look at the real photos posted by Rodrigues, which shows fruits with the size of cambucás:

http://guaranature.blogspot.com.br/2014/10/jabuticabas-gigantes-olho-de-boi.html (http://guaranature.blogspot.com.br/2014/10/jabuticabas-gigantes-olho-de-boi.html)  :o

I´m trying to contact him, but with no luck ´til now.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: davidgarcia899 on March 27, 2015, 10:18:14 AM
To the Jaboticabaholics, I present you the biggest jabo that I ever seen!!!! Look at the real photos posted by Rodrigues, which shows fruits with the size of cambucás:

[url]http://guaranature.blogspot.com.br/2014/10/jabuticabas-gigantes-olho-de-boi.html[/url] ([url]http://guaranature.blogspot.com.br/2014/10/jabuticabas-gigantes-olho-de-boi.html[/url])  :o

I´m trying to contact him, but with no luck ´til now.


Holy Hell batman
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: From the sea on March 27, 2015, 10:32:25 AM
what kind of black magic are they using?

 
To the Jaboticabaholics, I present you the biggest jabo that I ever seen!!!! Look at the real photos posted by Rodrigues, which shows fruits with the size of cambucás:

[url]http://guaranature.blogspot.com.br/2014/10/jabuticabas-gigantes-olho-de-boi.html[/url] ([url]http://guaranature.blogspot.com.br/2014/10/jabuticabas-gigantes-olho-de-boi.html[/url])  :o

I´m trying to contact him, but with no luck ´til now.


Holy Hell batman
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on March 27, 2015, 11:19:53 AM
Whoa!!! must be black magic ;) 8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 27, 2015, 12:22:05 PM
nice!  looks about the same size as the M. coronata var. Restinga pic.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5081/5281374928_c4ab52dd16.jpg (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5081/5281374928_c4ab52dd16.jpg)

the largest I've seen was just slightly larger than both of these...a rare variety of M. coronata...I don't recall the varietal name.

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bush2Beach on March 27, 2015, 12:22:25 PM
([url]http://s30.postimg.cc/yz3mg8xj1/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/yz3mg8xj1/[/url])


hahaha!  you got a pic of my mudflap!  Nice!

I got the haircut as a joke last week, and ended up keeping it...(It's the first time I've gone to a barber in the last 15 yrs...I usually let my hair grow out until I can't stand it, then shave it on a number 8 )....this mullet thing is working out great so far...I'm just a FL nursery man, good ol' boy!

here is a pic Bob took after I got the mullet installed...I was planting a 25 gal Garcinia from Luc...but I look more like a foreman on a construction site.  :P

([url]http://s9.postimg.cc/wkxbufzob/dcard0_DCIM_Camera_IMG_20150319_184457.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/wkxbufzob/[/url])

Rock and a Roll bro! All business up front !

(http://s8.postimg.cc/5vpwycpg1/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5vpwycpg1/)


Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 27, 2015, 12:34:41 PM
by far the loudest LOL I've ever had on the forum yet!

I wanna be the bassist for the Simcox band...

and we can get this other guy to join as well...he has the proper hair...and he likes jabos!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvFTrWEMfVQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvFTrWEMfVQ)

([url]http://s30.postimg.cc/yz3mg8xj1/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/yz3mg8xj1/[/url])


hahaha!  you got a pic of my mudflap!  Nice!

I got the haircut as a joke last week, and ended up keeping it...(It's the first time I've gone to a barber in the last 15 yrs...I usually let my hair grow out until I can't stand it, then shave it on a number 8 )....this mullet thing is working out great so far...I'm just a FL nursery man, good ol' boy!

here is a pic Bob took after I got the mullet installed...I was planting a 25 gal Garcinia from Luc...but I look more like a foreman on a construction site.  :P

([url]http://s9.postimg.cc/wkxbufzob/dcard0_DCIM_Camera_IMG_20150319_184457.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/wkxbufzob/[/url])

Rock and a Roll bro! All business up front !

([url]http://s8.postimg.cc/5vpwycpg1/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/5vpwycpg1/[/url])
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 27, 2015, 12:38:59 PM
on second thought, looks like u just have Sabara!  doesnt' look like Grimal.
hard to tell from the pics...but looks like you have a sabara...and the first one looks almost like Grimal, having larger leaves.

but it can be really hard to tell them apart, especially if the leaves are not perfectly healthy...or if one tree is grown in the shade, and another is in full sun (It can make the leaves look very different)

try to take pics of the leaves, top and bottom, and compare them...and also pics of new growth.

still tough for me to differentiate from images I looked through this thread. I have 3 Jabos that I got and were labeled as M.Cauliflora from PIN. Which I believe are just regular Sabaras. Here's some pics.


This one was planted in ground a year ago and started to flush out new bigger leaves this February since I started to foliar feed it.
([url]http://i.imgur.com/F0aYeXx.jpg?1[/url])



Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bush2Beach on March 27, 2015, 12:48:35 PM
Niice, class and forum clown here from 19 how long.
work "Turtle Place" into the band name somehow and I'll work tour management for y'all. I will simply require Jabo commission as well as Jabo stipend, and a case of Jabo port for every leg shall be in the tour rider.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 27, 2015, 02:16:46 PM
just tell me where to sign boss!
(http://s23.postimg.cc/kx070pcl3/001.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/kx070pcl3/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on March 27, 2015, 02:40:48 PM
nice!  looks about the same size as the M. coronata var. Restinga pic.

[url]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5081/5281374928_c4ab52dd16.jpg[/url] ([url]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5081/5281374928_c4ab52dd16.jpg[/url])

the largest I've seen was just slightly larger than both of these...a rare variety of M. coronata...I don't recall the varietal name.


Oh I know it, but this isn´t the restinga var., but the Coronata itself. I have a grafted Restinga in a container. It produces big fruits, but not so big as the coronata itself. ;)
The hand in the photo is from Márcia, which I meet last year. She is a kind girl. She also have amoras, Grumixamas and other fruit trees.
Her personal blog has a suggestive name "Crazy for jabuticabas" :) http://loucosporjabuticaba.blogspot.com.br/2010/10/fotos-de-jabuticaba-paulista.html (http://loucosporjabuticaba.blogspot.com.br/2010/10/fotos-de-jabuticaba-paulista.html)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 27, 2015, 02:49:28 PM
thanks for the info Cassio!

for some reason I always thought this photo was of coronata var Restinga! 

nice!  looks about the same size as the M. coronata var. Restinga pic.

[url]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5081/5281374928_c4ab52dd16.jpg[/url] ([url]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5081/5281374928_c4ab52dd16.jpg[/url])

the largest I've seen was just slightly larger than both of these...a rare variety of M. coronata...I don't recall the varietal name.


Oh I know it, but this isn´t the restinga var., but the Coronata itself. The hand in the photo is from Márcia, which I meet last year. She is a kind girl. She also have amoras, Grumixamas and other fruit trees.
Her personal blog has a suggestive name "Crazy for jabuticabas" :) [url]http://loucosporjabuticaba.blogspot.com.br/2010/10/fotos-de-jabuticaba-paulista.html[/url] ([url]http://loucosporjabuticaba.blogspot.com.br/2010/10/fotos-de-jabuticaba-paulista.html[/url])
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 27, 2015, 02:54:10 PM
btw, e jardim's website says the largest form of coronata found so far is:

Carijó  (with fruits of more than 4, 5 cm)

I bet it takes a good 20yr to fruit!  :o :(
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on March 27, 2015, 03:33:17 PM
btw, e jardim's website says the largest form of coronata found so far is:

Carijó  (with fruits of more than 4, 5 cm)

I bet it takes a good 20yr to fruit!  :o :(

Exactly! Marcia´s Coronata took more than this in fact.  :o
I´m to much old for this, and can´t wait for so long time. So, my choice was to buy a grafted coronata var. restinga, which produced her first five fruits this year. The fruits aren´t that big as coronata itself, but the var. restinga has small seeds and a sweet flavor. I´m satisfied. ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 27, 2015, 04:00:37 PM
thanks for the great info Cassio!

I remember you posted a pic of your grafted tree fruiting!  it was really encouraging to see this...considering the usual wait for some of these rare species to fruit (like trunciflora or coronata)


 
btw, e jardim's website says the largest form of coronata found so far is:

Carijó  (with fruits of more than 4, 5 cm)

I bet it takes a good 20yr to fruit!  :o :(

Exactly! Marcia´s Coronata took more than this in fact.  :o
I´m to much old for this, and can´t wait for so long time. So, my choice was to buy a grafted coronata var. restinga, which produced her first five fruits this year. The fruits aren´t that big as coronata itself, but the var. restinga has small seeds and a sweet flavor. I´m satisfied. ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: raimeiken on March 27, 2015, 07:13:56 PM
on second thought, looks like u just have Sabara!  doesnt' look like Grimal.
hard to tell from the pics...but looks like you have a sabara...and the first one looks almost like Grimal, having larger leaves.

but it can be really hard to tell them apart, especially if the leaves are not perfectly healthy...or if one tree is grown in the shade, and another is in full sun (It can make the leaves look very different)

try to take pics of the leaves, top and bottom, and compare them...and also pics of new growth.

still tough for me to differentiate from images I looked through this thread. I have 3 Jabos that I got and were labeled as M.Cauliflora from PIN. Which I believe are just regular Sabaras. Here's some pics.


This one was planted in ground a year ago and started to flush out new bigger leaves this February since I started to foliar feed it.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/F0aYeXx.jpg?1[/img






thanks for the ID

I might get a few scions from you and try grafting some to expand my collection here. It's tough to get any other varieties here in AZ.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TheDom on March 29, 2015, 10:29:12 AM
Any tips on a potting mix for jabos, specifically a yellow? I usually do a 5:1:1 mix for most plants, but would something with a little more water holding capacity do better for a yellow, or should I just make it a well draining mix and sit the pot in a tub of water? Also, should freshly harvested mullet locks be added at planting, or top-dressed with later?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 29, 2015, 11:51:34 AM
Any tips on a potting mix for jabos, specifically a yellow? I usually do a 5:1:1 mix for most plants, but would something with a little more water holding capacity do better for a yellow, or should I just make it a well draining mix and sit the pot in a tub of water? Also, should freshly harvested mullet locks be added at planting, or top-dressed with later?

nothing special for the yellow, but it seems to like good drainage...can handle a prolonged flood, but won't be as resilient as M. cauliflora or M. jaboticaba...

is a bit more sensitive to high pH (or nutrient deficiency) than Sabara.

mullet sounds good...I don't see how it could hurt.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on March 29, 2015, 12:42:32 PM
thanks for the great info Cassio!

I remember you posted a pic of your grafted tree fruiting!  it was really encouraging to see this...considering the usual wait for some of these rare species to fruit (like trunciflora or coronata)


You´re welcome Adam. :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: From the sea on March 30, 2015, 08:35:56 AM
The Grimal at grimal grove is fruiting right now, it tastes amazing, way better than the Sabaras at the fruit and spice.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 30, 2015, 02:40:35 PM
The Grimal at grimal grove is fruiting right now, it tastes amazing, way better than the Sabaras at the fruit and spice.

thanks for the update!

yes the fruit seems to be larger than sabara, with a unique texture (thicker, more gelatinous pulp)  seeds are usually smaller than sabara...but skin is thicker, and more tannic.

Grimal is great because it holds up very well for bringing to a market.

too bad the seed is worth way too much to sell the fruit at a market(anytime soon)!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on March 30, 2015, 02:44:57 PM
The Grimal is definitely my favorite!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: jabotica on March 30, 2015, 05:02:21 PM
One of my grimal trees is fruiting for the first time ' it is in a 20 gal pot and the fruit
should be ripe in a week or two. I can't wait
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 30, 2015, 06:06:07 PM
One of my grimal trees is fruiting for the first time ' it is in a 20 gal pot and the fruit
should be ripe in a week or two. I can't wait

congratulations Robert!

don't make the mistake of eating them too early...they are very astringent and stringy if not properly ripened.

they will take several days to ripen after reaching full coloration.

they should feel like an under inflated basket ball when you squeeze them.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ftmyersfruit on March 31, 2015, 09:57:46 AM
I've read through this thread several times so I apologize if this has been answered but when a sabara starts to shed its bark, what is the average time until fruiting approximately?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 31, 2015, 11:38:24 AM
I've read through this thread several times so I apologize if this has been answered but when a sabara starts to shed its bark, what is the average time until fruiting approximately?

ive grown many eugenias and myrciarias to fruition...I can only remember about 3 fruiting before the bark peeled (that was Eugenia candolleana and E. reinwardtiana, and E. pitanga).

Usually the bark will peel before your tree ever fruits....but this can be years before you will see fruit...there is no set time...but as a general rule of thumb (with Myrciaria/Plinia/Eugenia), your tree will begin to exfoliate bark before it begins to flower.

for sabara, I notice the trees will start peeling 3-5yrs before fruiting (or longer, depending on who's growing them)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: From the sea on March 31, 2015, 11:49:25 AM
Adam, What fertilizer do you recommend for jabos?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 31, 2015, 02:23:02 PM
Adam, What fertilizer do you recommend for jabos?
I personally use espoma products (holly tone in particular)...but be careful, using too much can easily kill a plant.

I just fertilize using a bit less than what the bag says, and I do it more often...

so light, frequent feedings is ok...(like 3-6  times per year, depending on the size of the tree, and how much fert you put down)

high nitrogen fertilizer on a Myrciaria is like playing with FIRE!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: From the sea on March 31, 2015, 06:23:16 PM
Thanks a lot
 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: raimeiken on March 31, 2015, 07:01:49 PM
Adam, What fertilizer do you recommend for jabos?

I personally use espoma products (holly tone in particular)...but be careful, using too much can easily kill a plant.

I just fertilize using a bit less than what the bag says, and I do it more often...

so light, frequent feedings is ok...(like 3-6  times per year, depending on the size of the tree, and how much fert you put down)

high nitrogen fertilizer on a Myrciaria is like playing with FIRE!


interesting, that particular one is formulated for acid loving plants. I should give that a try since my conditions here are very high PH soil and water.

Do you do any foliar feeding?

I started foliar spraying with Dyna-gro's foliage pro with some iron chelate in the mix beginning of Feb, and when the new leaves emerged, they're much bigger than the older foliage. I spray every two weeks with it and do a soil drench the weeks in between with the same stuff including some humic acid.

(http://i.imgur.com/mnRVwwc.jpg)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 31, 2015, 07:10:04 PM
raimeiken,

i have done lots of foliar feeding, drenching with micro-nutrition, and chelated Fe, in the past....when i had most of my plants in a location with city water. (now that I have acidic well water, it is not required as much, thank goodness!)

all the rare myrciarias seemed to hate city water (except the grimal and vexator)

also, my plants are older now..and older plants can deal with stress better, showing more resistance to nutritional deficiencies.



I used an organic product called TurfPro (or AgriPro), and also would use just about any micronutritional formula....KeyPlex is expensive, and effective...I've had good success using even using the stuff from Southern AG (for citrus?).

just don't over do it with the micros!  An overdose of micro-nutrition can be way worse than being nutrient deficient!
Adam, What fertilizer do you recommend for jabos?

I personally use espoma products (holly tone in particular)...but be careful, using too much can easily kill a plant.

I just fertilize using a bit less than what the bag says, and I do it more often...

so light, frequent feedings is ok...(like 3-6  times per year, depending on the size of the tree, and how much fert you put down)

high nitrogen fertilizer on a Myrciaria is like playing with FIRE!


interesting, that particular one is formulated for acid loving plants. I should give that a try since my conditions here are very high PH soil and water.

Do you do any foliar feeding?

I started foliar spraying with Dyna-gro's foliage pro with some iron chelate in the mix beginning of Feb, and when the new leaves emerged, they're much bigger than the older foliage. I spray every two weeks with it and do a soil drench the weeks in between with the same stuff including some humic acid.

in my experience, drenching with chelated Fe is the most effective treatment for chlorosis.

([url]http://i.imgur.com/mnRVwwc.jpg[/url])
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: shah8 on March 31, 2015, 07:14:51 PM
Just wanted to add that my (probably Grimal) Jaboticaba is also fruiting, in a pot in Roswell, Ga.  First year for something like a 17yo houseplant.

I have a cambuca, too, and that has flowered once when very young, which was probably freak, and didn't result in fruit set.  So subsequent flowering, of course.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 31, 2015, 07:17:49 PM
thanks for the interesting info!

btw, grimal is easy to identify...the flowers have very large petals compared to Sabara.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: raimeiken on March 31, 2015, 08:15:35 PM
raimeiken,

i have done lots of foliar feeding, drenching with micro-nutrition, and chelated Fe, in the past....when i had most of my plants in a location with city water. (now that I have acidic well water, it is not required as much, thank goodness!)

all the rare myrciarias seemed to hate city water (except the grimal and vexator)

also, my plants are older now..and older plants can deal with stress better, showing more resistance to nutritional deficiencies.



I used an organic product called TurfPro (or AgriPro), and also would use just about any micronutritional formula....KeyPlex is expensive, and effective...I've had good success using even using the stuff from Southern AG (for citrus?).

just don't over do it with the micros!  An overdose of micro-nutrition can be way worse than being nutrient deficient!

good to know. what would be a sign of overdose of micro-nutrients? So far everything is looking great aside from a little salt burn on some leaves, which is common on here because of our water.

oh and good info on grimal and vexator handling the city water better. I'll probably give those two a try in the future whenever I find a source for them here. or maybe even in Cali. Anyone know of a nursery in LA or San Diego that might carry those varieties? I usually take a trip there in the summer, i'll see if I can take some back home with me.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 31, 2015, 09:09:20 PM
all sorts of things can happen im sure, but usually the leaves seem to come out all crazy, deformed, almost like witches broom...and the trees growth is retarded.

what's the deal with shipping plants to AZ? I need to figure this out..I have some stuff that will be certified nematode free (very soon if all goes well)...I should have Grimals, and Vexators to send....they can easily fit in a USPS small flat rate box.

I need to recheck the laws...I will ask about this when the gentleman from the USDA comes to check for nematodes.  Should be soon.

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: raimeiken on March 31, 2015, 10:49:24 PM
Thanks! Yeah if only you're able to ship the larger ones I would be all over that! Lol

I know a guy here that sells tropical fruit trees here, he drives back over from a couple nurseries down there in Florida like PIN. I mentioned your place to him to check out next time he heads over to Florida. Not sure if he will for sure or not though.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: simon_grow on April 01, 2015, 08:50:10 AM
all sorts of things can happen im sure, but usually the leaves seem to come out all crazy, deformed, almost like witches broom...and the trees growth is retarded.

what's the deal with shipping plants to AZ? I need to figure this out..I have some stuff that will be certified nematode free (very soon if all goes well)...I should have Grimals, and Vexators to send....they can easily fit in a USPS small flat rate box.

I need to recheck the laws...I will ask about this when the gentleman from the USDA comes to check for nematodes.  Should be soon.

Hey Adam, when will you be able to ship Jaboticaba plants to California? I would like to add a few of your favorites to my collection. Thanks,
Simon
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: CGameProgrammer on April 01, 2015, 01:02:05 PM
There are several local sources for Sabara, particularly TropicalFruitTrees.com in Vista which propagates many of them and have lots of sizes. For some other varieties, Exotica in Vista had a few the last time I was there; you can visit and check. But obviously for any other varieties Adam is your best bet.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ccamp on April 01, 2015, 02:33:46 PM
What homemade soil mixes has anyone been successful with jabos in containers?  I am trying to build a suitable mix without having to resort to buying Scott's Miracle Grow etc.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Das Bhut on April 01, 2015, 08:20:03 PM
Adam do you think the Grimal would do better on Florida's limestone sand than other jabos?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 01, 2015, 08:26:13 PM
Adam do you think the Grimal would do better on Florida's limestone sand than other jabos?

not exactly...the one at fruit and spice looks like it went through a meat grinder.

it would be best to get a one grafted onto Sabara.

but I'm sure you can keep a seedling Grimal happy...it just might take a bunch of chelated Fe.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Das Bhut on April 01, 2015, 08:27:47 PM
Adam do you think the Grimal would do better on Florida's limestone sand than other jabos?

not exactly...the one at fruit and spice looks like it went through a meat grinder.

it would be best to get a one grafted onto Sabara.

but I'm sure you can keep a seedling Grimal happy...it just might take a bunch of chelated Fe.

Are all jabos florida soil intolerant?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: xshen on April 01, 2015, 08:35:49 PM
When is a red jabo fully ripe?  I have a few that just turned completely red today.  How many more days until optimal ripeness?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 01, 2015, 08:41:33 PM
Most of them hate high pH soil.  vexator seems to be one of the exceptions.

Sabara can tolerate higher pH soil without totally declining..but .it will still need some help.

They love the soil in central FL though...we have good acid sandy soil.


Adam do you think the Grimal would do better on Florida's limestone sand than other jabos?

not exactly...the one at fruit and spice looks like it went through a meat grinder.

it would be best to get a one grafted onto Sabara.

but I'm sure you can keep a seedling Grimal happy...it just might take a bunch of chelated Fe.

Are all jabos florida soil intolerant?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 01, 2015, 08:47:30 PM
When is a red jabo fully ripe?  I have a few that just turned completely red today.  How many more days until optimal ripeness?

U can eat them early, but they are a bit tart and fibrous.
With Sabara u can't do this...it's too astringent.

I let them sit for more than a week..and the flavor gets intensely sweet.   They seem to last for about 2 weeks after achieving full coloration on the tree...

But birds and animals always find them if you let them sit on the tree too long.

It's great to have them in a greenhouse .... But then aphids get all over them!

I've had some of the sweetest fruit imaginable this season...the fruits are allowed to sit on the trees for over 10 days after turning fully red
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: xshen on April 01, 2015, 08:57:54 PM
When is a red jabo fully ripe?  I have a few that just turned completely red today.  How many more days until optimal ripeness?

U can eat them early, but they are a bit tart and fibrous.
With Sabara u can't do this...it's too astringent.

I let them sit for more than a week..and the flavor gets intensely sweet.   They seem to last for about 2 weeks after achieving full coloration on the tree...

But birds and animals always find them if you let them sit on the tree too long.

It's great to have them in a greenhouse .... But then aphids get all over them!

I've had some of the sweetest fruit imaginable this season...the fruits are allowed to sit on the trees for over 10 days after turning fully red

Thanks for the info Adam. I'm glad I asked. I was about to pick them
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kh0110 on April 01, 2015, 08:58:30 PM
When is a red jabo fully ripe?  I have a few that just turned completely red today.  How many more days until optimal ripeness?

The fruits from my tree are almost black when they're fully ripe and good to eat.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TheDom on April 01, 2015, 10:36:18 PM
It may be the addiction talking, but this art popped up on our Chromecast earlier, and I'm pretty sure I'm seeing a depiction of jaboticaba there.
(http://s18.postimg.cc/gc7jlhpf9/IMG_20150401_223213.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/gc7jlhpf9/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 01, 2015, 10:53:54 PM
haha!

i picked a stray fruit off of one of my Grimals today, and it looked just like that!

I hadn't noticed it...and it got huge!

(I will post some pics soon.. I think some might be the size of a ping-pong ball almost...just slightly smaller)
It may be the addiction talking, but this art popped up on our Chromecast earlier, and I'm pretty sure I'm seeing a depiction of jaboticaba there.
([url]http://s18.postimg.cc/gc7jlhpf9/IMG_20150401_223213.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/gc7jlhpf9/[/url])
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on April 02, 2015, 04:49:26 AM
Adam, What fertilizer do you recommend for jabos?
I personally use espoma products (holly tone in particular)...but be careful, using too much can easily kill a plant.

I just fertilize using a bit less than what the bag says, and I do it more often...

so light, frequent feedings is ok...(like 3-6  times per year, depending on the size of the tree, and how much fert you put down)

high nitrogen fertilizer on a Myrciaria is like playing with FIRE!

Can you say how much NPK this product has since we don't have that product here?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on April 02, 2015, 07:31:19 AM
Well, cattle and horse dung, tanned, dry and crumbly, are also good fertilizer. They are also much cheaper and they are not chemical, which is better both for plants and for us humans. On the other hand, chemical fertilizers may be more effective.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: raimeiken on April 02, 2015, 08:52:11 AM

Can you say how much NPK this product has since we don't have that product here?


Here's the product's breakdown

http://www.espoma.com/p_consumer/pdf/products/tones/Esp_Holly.pdf (http://www.espoma.com/p_consumer/pdf/products/tones/Esp_Holly.pdf)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on April 02, 2015, 12:19:15 PM
Have been eye balling this beauty at a local nursery, its the only big one, but with a $250 price tag out of my price range for now. I visit her every week (stalker) to see if she is still there since this nursery is blocks from my house. Too bad not a great fruit tree selection, more of an ornamental nursery. Any idea if this is Sabara? Guess on age and time to fruit? It is a fairly large bush about 7-8ft tall, main trunk about 3 inch diameter.  Everytime I see her I think of Adam and want to sneak my shears in and give her a haircut LMAO......  Maybe one day they will get tire of her and put her on clearance or sale   :(


(http://s9.postimg.cc/8e3dxs1mj/20150402_102329_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/8e3dxs1mj/)


(http://s8.postimg.cc/djg2vdnwh/20150402_102340_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/djg2vdnwh/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 02, 2015, 12:35:29 PM
Sabara!

I have some now, exact same size tree, but in a 15 gal pot, with fruit hanging on them (small crop) for $200!

(just to give you an idea of the price)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TnTrobbie on April 02, 2015, 12:45:38 PM
Thats a nice looking Sabara. PM me that nursery's location. I'll give her a good home :horns: :D.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on April 02, 2015, 03:26:23 PM
I am going to talk to the people there and see if that is the best price they can do, if it is will let you know Tn lol If they can do a little better, might take it off their hands. But also might check at Excalibur as they had some about same size, just don't recall if they were Sabara.  I have been trying to resist it, having a red already (not fruiting yet, check it every day LOL) but just seems like a Sabara is NECESSARY as I tell my wife. 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TnTrobbie on April 02, 2015, 03:40:21 PM
 ;D. I was only kidding. I got a nice Sabara already and a Red. Looking for a Grimal very soon.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on April 02, 2015, 03:49:57 PM
Jealous  :-[
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on April 02, 2015, 07:53:05 PM
So finally finished my area where I want to plant my Red Jabo. I built a 4 high retaining wall on nasty slope in my backyard so she could have a level surface to do her thing. I do plan to put a little pitch, eventhough my yard never floods, this is a new low point, so gonna slope it a tad just in case.  It is under a big coco palm, gets about 3-4 hours of direct morning sun (soon to get about another hour when I pull big black olive from front yard that cast shade from sunrise to about 8 in this spot) Then gets filtered light through palm fronds during peak sun, then gets about 1-2 hours late afternoon sun. I hope I picked a spot she likes and will flourish. Added an extra sprinkle head in the pit and converted it to a drip head so she will have her own direct water supply.

(http://s17.postimg.cc/qccn6j297/20150402_192730_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qccn6j297/)


(http://s1.postimg.cc/unkn1oiij/20150402_192704_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/unkn1oiij/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on April 02, 2015, 07:55:28 PM
Also I want to add a few inches of soil (used the dirt here for a frontyard project build up  >:() What soil would be good to add to amend to my dirt? Plain old top soil? or some organic nursery planting dirt? something to maybe even  bump the pH down a little more acidic.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 06, 2015, 10:54:16 PM
that is a mighty fine shrine.

u don't really need to amend the soil if it's nice and sandy...

but adding lots of mulch, or some other organic matter (like pine bark, peat moss, pine straw, etc...) can be very beneficial.

I'm probably going to use a combination of oak leaves, pine straw, and spanish moss as mulch or ground cover for my grove.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on April 06, 2015, 10:56:11 PM
Super sandy lol I put some topsoil mixed in cuz needed to fill a bit more.  But probably 60-70% sand.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Dangermouse01 on April 07, 2015, 03:57:58 PM
Grimal getting close.  :)
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Jaboticaba/Grimal/Grimal_15-04-07_zpsqarlnqbk.jpg)

DM
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 07, 2015, 04:44:19 PM
NICE CROP!  make sure to let them sit on the tree as long as possible...the flavor and pulp texture improves greatly.

from the same batch of plants as my 15 gals!

yours is part of my extended family...

we are all related to Grimal's tree!

and our family tree has roots in Alagoas!

Grimal getting close.  :)
([url]http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/dangermouse2006/flowers%20and%20plants/Jaboticaba/Grimal/Grimal_15-04-07_zpsqarlnqbk.jpg[/url])

DM
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on April 07, 2015, 05:25:38 PM
Uau! The fruits appears to be big! 3 to 4 cm in diameter, maybe?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 07, 2015, 05:31:28 PM
Uau! The fruits appears to be big! 3 to 4 cm in diameter, maybe?

Grimal typically has larger fruit than Sabara (if properly grown)...I have not measured, but I think 3-4cm is close....

Paulista and coronata can be larger for sure.

the flavor of Grimal is unique...having a concord grape taste IMO.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Dangermouse01 on April 07, 2015, 06:57:42 PM
Uau! The fruits appears to be big! 3 to 4 cm in diameter, maybe?

Grimal typically has larger fruit than Sabara (if properly grown)...I have not measured, but I think 3-4cm is close....

Paulista and coronata can be larger for sure.

the flavor of Grimal is unique...having a concord grape taste IMO.

My larger ones measure a little over 1 inch diameter.

DM
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: davidgarcia899 on April 13, 2015, 11:43:12 AM
Uau! The fruits appears to be big! 3 to 4 cm in diameter, maybe?

Grimal typically has larger fruit than Sabara (if properly grown)...I have not measured, but I think 3-4cm is close....

Paulista and coronata can be larger for sure.

the flavor of Grimal is unique...having a concord grape taste IMO.

Idk about your sabaras adam, but if you leave the fruit on my sabara until they are super ripe, like right before they start going bad on the tree....they taste exactly like concord grapes.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 13, 2015, 12:04:43 PM
Uau! The fruits appears to be big! 3 to 4 cm in diameter, maybe?

Grimal typically has larger fruit than Sabara (if properly grown)...I have not measured, but I think 3-4cm is close....

Paulista and coronata can be larger for sure.

the flavor of Grimal is unique...having a concord grape taste IMO.

Idk about your sabaras adam, but if you leave the fruit on my sabara until they are super ripe, like right before they start going bad on the tree....they taste exactly like concord grapes.

yes...I know what you are talking about!

I guess the Grimal has this, but a bit different.

I'm starting to think its good to let most of the myrciarias get slightly drier, after the fruits have developed full size and coloration...

it helps hasten the ripening process I believe, and makes them sweeter.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: shah8 on April 13, 2015, 03:12:52 PM
What sp. do you think Grimal is closest to?  I mean, the fruits really do seem to be relatively close to coronata, while only a few of the leaves have much resemblance...
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: shah8 on April 13, 2015, 03:25:05 PM
Also, the fruit that my tree came from did not remind me of a concord grape at the time.  I thought it tasted a lot like canned mangosteen, as in that it was rich in a direction closer to stone fruits like peaches or plums~really closer to a blend of subtle litchi and subtle peach.  As much as the experience was like eating muscadine grapes, the fruit definitely doesn't taste like muscadines.  As far as Concord grapes, thinking of the juice, I bet it's mostly only similar because it's rich and has tannins.  Eh, I'm only a few days away from tasting my first fruit, so I'll see what I think today as opposed to trying to remember almost twenty years.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 13, 2015, 05:03:57 PM
Also, the fruit that my tree came from did not remind me of a concord grape at the time.  I thought it tasted a lot like canned mangosteen, as in that it was rich in a direction closer to stone fruits like peaches or plums~really closer to a blend of subtle litchi and subtle peach.  As much as the experience was like eating muscadine grapes, the fruit definitely doesn't taste like muscadines.  As far as Concord grapes, thinking of the juice, I bet it's mostly only similar because it's rich and has tannins.  Eh, I'm only a few days away from tasting my first fruit, so I'll see what I think today as opposed to trying to remember almost twenty years.
here is what i'm noticing about Grimal this year...

u really must wait a long time after they acheive full coloration, before they're ripe...

they taste best when you let them get almost to the point of rotting on the tree...

eating them too early is really going to make you not like this fruit...it's tart, not sweet, and stringy if you eat them too early (even though they are totally purple)

not sure what Grimal is related to closely..it's hard to say...the fruit is fuzzy...and the flowers have big petals...this is unlike coronata...
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 13, 2015, 05:25:45 PM
I'm harvesting lots of Grimal fruits now.

they could be sweeter...but it's ok..

i need to pick them now!  so I can sell/plant seeds!  and make some jam or fruit leather or something!
(http://s10.postimg.cc/g8fp35zut/Full_Size_Render_8.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/g8fp35zut/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on April 13, 2015, 05:27:46 PM
I'm harvesting lots of Grimal fruits now.

they could be sweeter...but it's ok..

i need to pick them now!  so I can sell/plant seeds!  and make some jam or fruit leather or something!
([url]http://s10.postimg.cc/g8fp35zut/Full_Size_Render_8.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/g8fp35zut/[/url])
Please reserve few seeds for me... Thank's!  ;D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: jabotica on April 13, 2015, 05:37:23 PM
I just picked 25 fruit from my grimal .I left 3 on that had not fully ripend .I lost about 10 to birds
It's hard to wait. I now have flowers on a unkone jaboticaba tree ,this is the first time.the flowers
are smaller than gimal there is no loose bark.The leaves are different from other jabos
the tree has lost many leaves ,but are now coming out with new leavs. I will take pictures
I hope it will set fruit
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: shah8 on April 13, 2015, 07:37:40 PM
what other Myrcaria has big petals?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 13, 2015, 11:14:32 PM
what other Myrcaria has big petals?

off hand, I can't think of one...but i'm sure there are several comparable species.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Central Floridave on April 14, 2015, 11:02:18 AM
I've reached jaboticaba nirvana...

(http://s16.postimg.cc/fyya2qc0x/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fyya2qc0x/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/fkscpe2jl/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fkscpe2jl/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/lkg3t1nc1/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/lkg3t1nc1/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: HMHausman on April 14, 2015, 11:38:49 AM
A nice thick trunk.....I assume this tree is in ground?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Central Floridave on April 14, 2015, 11:44:27 AM
If you talking about my photos,  yes, in the ground.  Page 28 of this thread are some photos of the tree. It is very big and growing over the roof line. 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 14, 2015, 12:17:01 PM
nice crop!

time to practice your juicing skills...

no way u can eat all that at once...

you'd be doing an unforgettable solo performance on the porcelain drum.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Central Floridave on April 14, 2015, 12:25:57 PM

Most of the fruit on this tree is undersized due to the month long drought I suffered while the fruit was developing. I tried the best I could to keep it moist during fruit development.  But, zero rain for over a month was difficult.   the fruit taste as good as normal but the size is small relative to rainier times. 

Since there is no way I can eat all these, or even juice them, Would thinning the fruit produce larger fruit?  If no one has an answer maybe next flower flush I'll knock off a portion of the developing fruit to test the theory.  Conventional wisdom says yes at it works with other fruit trees.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 14, 2015, 12:29:07 PM
maybe thinning will help...but it would be so labor intensive to do this...I doubt anyone does it in Brazil.

Most of the fruit on this tree is undersized due to the month long drought I suffered while the fruit was developing. I tried the best I could to keep it moist during fruit development.  But, zero rain for over a month was difficult.   the fruit taste as good as normal but the size is small relative to rainier times. 

Since there is no way I can eat all these, or even juice them, Would thinning the fruit produce larger fruit?  If no one has an answer maybe next flower flush I'll knock off a portion of the developing fruit to test the theory.  Conventional wisdom says yes at it works with other fruit trees.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: From the sea on April 14, 2015, 01:23:18 PM
nice crop!

time to practice your juicing skills...

no way u can eat all that at once...

you'd be doing an unforgettable solo performance on the porcelain drum.

LOL I know all about that, and I say..... totally worth it!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: raimeiken on April 16, 2015, 09:43:42 PM
I finally figured out what's been causing all these circular cuts on the leaves of my jabos.
(http://i.imgur.com/senO6rR.jpg)

It's these cute little boogers! Leaf cutter bees! I heard their tiny little buzzing when I was walking by the trees. I've never seen these guys before. They look harmless. I don't want to hurt them but I'm also worried about my trees since they're cutting holes all over the foliage. And it's only the jaboticabas that they're cutting from.  :-\
(http://i.imgur.com/y8XnIWx.jpg)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 16, 2015, 10:23:22 PM
I finally figured out what's been causing all these circular cuts on the leaves of my jabos.
([url]http://i.imgur.com/senO6rR.jpg[/url])

It's these cute little boogers! Leaf cutter bees! I heard their tiny little buzzing when I was walking by the trees. I've never seen these guys before. They look harmless. I don't want to hurt them but I'm also worried about my trees since they're cutting holes all over the foliage. And it's only the jaboticabas that they're cutting from.  :-\
([url]http://i.imgur.com/y8XnIWx.jpg[/url])


Yep, those leaf cutter bees are not a problem!  Let them have fun!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Central Floridave on April 21, 2015, 09:58:09 AM
Jaboticaba Mulch!
(http://s9.postimg.cc/6uhuxn5gb/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6uhuxn5gb/)

(http://s9.postimg.cc/qntyqciu3/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qntyqciu3/)

(http://s9.postimg.cc/z4th19niz/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/z4th19niz/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AlexRF on April 22, 2015, 12:53:51 PM
First flowers

(http://s10.postimg.cc/bg5dl0tth/P1020935.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bg5dl0tth/)

of my decidious Red Jabo

(http://s16.postimg.cc/4zlrboc2p/P1020950.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4zlrboc2p/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 22, 2015, 01:34:50 PM
NICE WORK!

wow the first Rusky Jaboticaba i've seen!!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 22, 2015, 02:19:17 PM
nice mulch!  i bet the tree will love it...

but maybe you can pick em up and juice em!

are they rotted already?

Jaboticaba Mulch!
([url]http://s9.postimg.cc/6uhuxn5gb/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/6uhuxn5gb/[/url])

([url]http://s9.postimg.cc/qntyqciu3/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/qntyqciu3/[/url])

([url]http://s9.postimg.cc/z4th19niz/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/z4th19niz/[/url])
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: shah8 on April 22, 2015, 03:37:10 PM
Interestingly, the jaboticaba fruit has appeal to family members who don't really approve of your tropical fruiting.  Might be useful for bribing.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: KennyT on April 22, 2015, 08:16:21 PM
Alex,

How old is you red Jaboticaba?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 22, 2015, 08:39:50 PM
Alex,

How old is you red Jaboticaba?

4-5yrs? that would be my guess... :D

let us know Alex  :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AlexRF on April 23, 2015, 01:23:26 AM
My Jaboticaba near 6-7 year old. Note that the 60 latitude there is a shortage of sunlight.
Because of this, all plants grow more slowly. This plant was purchased from German nursery "Flora Toskana" two years ago. The same source with Greeny's Jaboticaba: http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=11307.msg145200#msg145200 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=11307.msg145200#msg145200)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gaston on April 26, 2015, 04:55:01 AM
hello,few questions about jaboticaba.
Are seeds short or long lived and I what cultivar to choose if I want to plant say 3 differents CV.
For private eating as fresh fruit and commercial sale too.Land is bit acid with humid season from mai-->december and dry dec-->april.
Any suggestions and seeds available

thanks
francois
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: stuartdaly88 on April 26, 2015, 05:47:55 AM
So my first jabos can I join the club now? Or only once I secure a few more varieties and species? I'm already addicted in spirit ;)

These are seeds from Ponhema looking really cut and making.me happy
(http://s28.postimg.cc/9zrnuwhx5/DSC_1050.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9zrnuwhx5/)

(http://s23.postimg.cc/pkj2nlqev/DSC_1049.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/pkj2nlqev/)

Is it normal for one seed to send up multiple shoots? All of these seem to.be doing it like 2-3 shoots from the same seed
Is it preferable to leave it multistemmed or rather remove extra stems?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 26, 2015, 02:47:03 PM
Stuart,

you're in the club!  Having a plant is not even a requisite.....the only requirement, is that you're totally obsessed!

nice plants!

i'm curious to know how you are growing them? just inside your house? like a house plant?  if so, they can look happy at first, but they rapidly decline (if the humidity is too low).  When I'm growing them indoors, I always put a covering over them to increase humidity (like a bottle, or clear plastic bag, to make a greenhouse environment)

as for the multiple stems on your small seedlings...I would leave them...even though it looks like your tree will have several trunks, over time, it might only have one.   Also, just in case something happens to the plant while it's small and fragile, I would keep as many stems as possible.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: stuartdaly88 on April 26, 2015, 07:19:40 PM
Stuart,

you're in the club!  Having a plant is not even a requisite.....the only requirement, is that you're totally obsessed!

nice plants!

i'm curious to know how you are growing them? just inside your house? like a house plant?  if so, they can look happy at first, but they rapidly decline (if the humidity is too low).  When I'm growing them indoors, I always put a covering over them to increase humidity (like a bottle, or clear plastic bag, to make a greenhouse environment)

as for the multiple stems on your small seedlings...I would leave them...even though it looks like your tree will have several trunks, over time, it might only have one.   Also, just in case something happens to the plant while it's small and fragile, I would keep as many stems as possible.

Thanks!
I'm definitely got jabo fever in my blood:)
Thanks for the advice I will make sure they stay nice and humid they still seem rather fragile and don't grow that fast are brown leaf tips a sign of low humidity? .

I have half on my desk inside they get min 35% max 70% humidity
(http://s16.postimg.cc/egek6mn29/DSC_1069.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/egek6mn29/)
The other half are in my cupboard humidity always above 60%
(http://s18.postimg.cc/4c9ax2605/DSC_1063.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4c9ax2605/)
They will go outside in my greenhouse when they are abit bigger but I was just worried they might be abit sensitive while so small.
Not a jabo but at least a cousin cambuca also in my cupboard
(http://s8.postimg.cc/caigty2sh/DSC_1067.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/caigty2sh/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bush2Beach on April 27, 2015, 12:34:54 PM
Stuart,
 I separated all of my multi stem seedlings at around 8 months old when they started to get a good root system. I wanted as many Jaboticaba tree's as possible and now have a lot of Sabara for graing options etc...They all survived after separating and the herd is growing nicely . Now I am tempted to start pruning these little bushes for shape, some of the branches weep down and sit at soil level.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: simon_grow on April 29, 2015, 10:09:54 AM
Hey Adam, I read through many of the pages on this thread and noticed that many people recommend lots of water for these Jaboticaba plants. We have a drought in California and I was wondering if you would recommend using an olla for watering? It's supposed to be very water efficient and the plant can pull what water it needs without the roots sitting in a pool of water. After a while, there are reports of a root mass completely surrounding the olla.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KGxqShoGKFI

Simon
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 29, 2015, 11:04:32 AM
Hey Adam, I read through many of the pages on this thread and noticed that many people recommend lots of water for these Jaboticaba plants. We have a drought in California and I was wondering if you would recommend using an olla for watering? It's supposed to be very water efficient and the plant can pull what water it needs without the roots sitting in a pool of water. After a while, there are reports of a root mass completely surrounding the olla.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KGxqShoGKFI

Simon

looks like it could work, but you might need several of them, or maybe a larger size?

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: stuartdaly88 on April 29, 2015, 11:44:08 AM
Stuart,
 I separated all of my multi stem seedlings at around 8 months old when they started to get a good root system. I wanted as many Jaboticaba tree's as possible and now have a lot of Sabara for graing options etc...They all survived after separating and the herd is growing nicely . Now I am tempted to start pruning these little bushes for shape, some of the branches weep down and sit at soil level.
That sounds nice and big for 8months awesome ;D
Please.post some pics so I can know what my guys will look like soon if I keep them as happy.as you did :D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bush2Beach on April 29, 2015, 10:15:01 PM
I checked out when I got the fruit and these plants started germinating March 1st last year so now 14 months from germination. All single stalk plants.

(http://s18.postimg.cc/g8vf0upr9/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/g8vf0upr9/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on April 29, 2015, 10:20:23 PM
Very nice plants Jonah, no leaf tip burn like mine get! What gives? I use rain water too ;) 8) All red jabo?
Thanks for posting pic. 8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bush2Beach on April 29, 2015, 11:09:01 PM
All Sabara. These are some of the nicer ones, I have plenty of leaf tip burn on some. I think it's soil mix and overwatering small root systems contributing to leaf burn on mine, perhaps low light or too much sun as well. They all started in the greenhouse and now about half outside half in , no wind or lack of humidity in the G house and I have some leaf tip burn in there.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gnappi on April 30, 2015, 01:14:13 PM
Thanks to Adam i just got my sixth jabo a real nice yellow. That makes two yellow, a blue, a red and two original purples (sorry dont know the cultivar names) With only one fruiting im hoping for enough jabo someday to have enough to get sick of them... NOT!!!   :-)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: shah8 on April 30, 2015, 03:01:44 PM
You know...if the skin wasn't so resinous and sandpapery, grimals would be a clearly better eating experience than muscadines.  I can eat my way through a pound of muscadines in a sitting.  There's just no way I'll ever get enough fruit from my potted specimen to ever get sick of jaboticaba.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gnappi on April 30, 2015, 06:36:40 PM
You know...if the skin wasn't so resinous and sandpapery, grimals would be a clearly better eating experience than muscadines.  I can eat my way through a pound of muscadines in a sitting.  There's just no way I'll ever get enough fruit from my potted specimen to ever get sick of jaboticaba.

I can eat muscadines till I cant eat any more, but I only have have 5 vines and they are not as fruitful as the Jabo. All my Jabo are in the ground except the newest from Adam and I hope to get sick of them someday.

I've never had a Grimal... still looking. Adam???
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 30, 2015, 07:44:13 PM
Gnappi,

thanks for posting about the tree u got from me...it was one of the prettiest ones I had in that size.

should fruit (or flower at least) next year.

I have plenty of Grimals now...but price is high because of demand!  Small trees are at least $25, the are less than 12 inch tall, but are over a year old (they should have been repotted a while ago, so they stayed a bit small, but I recently repotted them, and they have started to grow quickly)

this season my trees made the most Grimals ever  (they've only been bearing for a few years)...i was eating them a bit too early at first, because I was so excited to taste them....but as the season progressed, I got to taste some that were ripened properly...they really have to sit on the tree for a long time after achieving full coloration...I also like to restrict watering, (maybe reducing the amount, or letting the leaves slightly wilt)...i believe this can hasten the ripening process, and increases the sweetness of the fruits!

when you squeeze them, they should feel like a partially deflated basket ball, then they are ready to be harvested.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: BMc on April 30, 2015, 09:10:39 PM
Does anyone have a rough idea of the size of a vexator at maturity?
I have one spot that I currently have a vexator in, that I put in because it holds water, but only has room for a tree of around 6-8ft. I had read it only grows to around that, but I suspect that could be an underestimation. I could easily dig the plant out at this stage and replace it with a smaller growing species like strigipes or quaquica.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 30, 2015, 09:12:27 PM
here in FL i doubt they will exceed 20ft...the largest I have seen was at fruit and spice park, maybe 12 ft tall, by 15 ft wide...

i hear the one at fairchild is closer to 20ft tall

in it's natural habitat I wouldn't be surprised if it gets closer to 25-30 ft all.

Does anyone have a rough idea of the size of a vexator at maturity?
I have one spot that I currently have a vexator in, that I put in because it holds water, but only has room for a tree of around 6-8ft. I had read it only grows to around that, but I suspect that could be an underestimation. I could easily dig the plant out at this stage and replace it with a smaller growing species like strigipes or quaquica.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AlexRF on May 09, 2015, 11:13:02 PM
Looks like Jaboticaba close New Caledonian relative:
http://www.endemia.nc/flore/fiche2112.html (http://www.endemia.nc/flore/fiche2112.html)

They ID this to Eugenia genus, not Myrciaria.  Any ideas?

Also interesting:
http://www.endemia.nc/flore/fiche613.html (http://www.endemia.nc/flore/fiche613.html)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 09, 2015, 11:57:08 PM
very beautiful pics!

eugenia bullata reminds me of M. aureana, (but looks like it was put in the microwave!)

wonder how they taste? those trees are so beautiful...but I bet they are not easy to grow!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on May 10, 2015, 12:40:07 AM
Just recently went to Fruit Spice 2 weeks or so ago,  JUST in hopes to eat some jabos. Got rewarded, few sabara, and got to try some vexator.  I found them to have a smokey taste if that makes any sense???? But yes definitly the vexator trees there seem to be growing more out than up, and would put them at 9-12ft tall.  Bonus of the trip was a large 2-3lb purple custard apple, not sure which variety could not find tag on tree. But was DELISH.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Central Floridave on May 10, 2015, 10:46:45 AM
Thanks for the New Caledonia (NC)  link.  I grow a bunch of different type of palms from NC.  They are some of the most beautiful palms.  Neat to see the Eugenia ouentoroensis and other types. 

NC is an interesting island for plant evolution study. 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AlexRF on May 10, 2015, 11:53:02 AM
Thanks for the New Caledonia (NC)  link.  I grow a bunch of different type of palms from NC.  They are some of the most beautiful palms.  Neat to see the Eugenia ouentoroensis and other types. 

NC is an interesting island for plant evolution study.


And one of N. Caledonian "Jabo-Syzigium":
http://www.endemia.nc/flore/fiche1027.html (http://www.endemia.nc/flore/fiche1027.html)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 10, 2015, 12:23:34 PM
wow Alex!

I bet collectors would go crazy for something like that!

thanks for sharing pics and links!!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AlexRF on May 10, 2015, 12:39:28 PM
Adam,
I supppose alot of fantastic wild fruit in N. Caledonia that worthy for domestication and further breeding.
Maybe one day our Australian friends to visit this nearby wonderful island.  :)

For those whose jaboticaboholizm is complicated by Eugenia addiction:
http://www.endemia.nc/flore/fiche4231.html (http://www.endemia.nc/flore/fiche4231.html)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on May 11, 2015, 10:39:01 AM

Also interesting:
[url]http://www.endemia.nc/flore/fiche613.html[/url] ([url]http://www.endemia.nc/flore/fiche613.html[/url])


Beautifull plant!
Would be interesting to have seeds of her.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AlexRF on May 11, 2015, 01:00:11 PM
Maybe someone will persuade our N. Caledonian friend Vincent "Vitiga" to help us... 8) :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on May 11, 2015, 11:53:33 PM
Maybe someone will persuade our N. Caledonian friend Vincent "Vitiga" to help us... 8) :)

I don't know if i can persuade him, if he has access, or how difficult it is to get them.....but i will try as those are some neat looking plants!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gaston on May 12, 2015, 07:12:26 AM
and one of the most primitive (and beautiful ) tree of N.Caledonia

https://www.google.co.kr/search?q=ixora+margaretae&newwindow=1&biw=1920&bih=951&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ft5RVbD5JYzc8AWfj4HABQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

Sorry Adam,didn't want to spoil your topic  ;) but this one is gorgious
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on May 12, 2015, 07:19:08 AM
I don't know if i can persuade him, if he has access, or how difficult it is to get them.....but i will try as those are some neat looking plants!

So there is still hope. :)
I've been reading about the fruits listed on the link that Alex posted, and saw that there are many caulifloras there. A great find.

and one of the most primitive (and beautiful ) tree of N.Caledonia

https://www.google.co.kr/search?q=ixora+margaretae&newwindow=1&biw=1920&bih=951&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ft5RVbD5JYzc8AWfj4HABQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

Sorry Adam,didn't want to spoil your topic  ;) but this one is gorgious

Uau! That Ixora is a beauty!!!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gaston on May 12, 2015, 07:22:50 AM
more pics
http://www.barjon.net/article.php?thold=3&mode=flat&order=0&sid=4201
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: stuartdaly88 on May 12, 2015, 03:08:48 PM
Love those leaves wow:)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: vitiga on May 12, 2015, 06:05:19 PM
Dear Friends,

I am in Vanuatu at the moment and internet is really bad here. We are lost in the middle of no where…lol I will be back home in New Caledonia this coming week end and I will take some time to write and post a brief report about new caledonian endemic fruit species as many of you emailed me to get info and seeds. Briefly I would say that we have many very interesting and kind of unique fruit species in New Caledonia including some that have not been discovered yet for sure, they look quite spectacular for some of them, but fruits are not really good and tasty in general… except may be for a couple of them. The main problem is that most species/areas/biotops are locally protected now and it is then complicate to get access to some of them in the wild. The positive point is that due to the mining industry, and their impact on the biotops, many local nurseries are now into multiplying and saving endemic flora including many of those fruit species. So I can get access to some of them just visiting a couple of specialized nurseries I know pretty well. More infos this week end. All the best, Vincent.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 12, 2015, 06:23:46 PM
Vitiga

thanks for the honest and informative post!

I hope you find some really great seeds to distribute to forum members soon!

good luck!!!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AlexRF on May 13, 2015, 12:01:48 AM
Vitiga,
many thanks for responce.  We are very interested in any info about local nurseries involved into multiplying and saving endemic flora. It would be good if you will connect to this too.  ;) :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on May 23, 2015, 06:36:25 AM
Thought all the jaboticabaholics out there would like this photo:

(https://scontent-lax1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10172730_633562170070534_4297106270148208728_n.jpg?oh=bd98a04557511887afc4815f9b6ba83e&oe=55C59241)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Don on May 23, 2015, 07:43:15 AM
Nice one, very spectacular crop.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 23, 2015, 09:37:44 AM
Lol looks like the tree turns into a giant Pakistan mulberry!!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on May 23, 2015, 11:21:32 AM
Holy Jabo's!!! nice pic talk about productivity :o 8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on May 23, 2015, 05:37:41 PM
Lol looks like the tree turns into a giant Pakistan mulberry!!

Too bad your contest wasn't about most productive jaboticabe tree.  ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 23, 2015, 08:08:01 PM
Lol looks like the tree turns into a giant Pakistan mulberry!!

Too bad your contest wasn't about most productive jaboticabe tree.  ;)

lol that is just a contest of everyday life!

you are a winner for sure!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on May 24, 2015, 02:36:49 AM
Lol looks like the tree turns into a giant Pakistan mulberry!!

Too bad your contest wasn't about most productive jaboticabe tree.  ;)

lol that is just a contest of everyday life!

you are a winner for sure!

Unfortunately that's not my jabo tree.  :'(
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 24, 2015, 02:44:44 AM
lol...

well at least you got a cambuca tree that bears like crazy!

 (even if it's not every year)

that's enough to make any rare fruit collector happy!!!

Lol looks like the tree turns into a giant Pakistan mulberry!!

Too bad your contest wasn't about most productive jaboticabe tree.  ;)

lol that is just a contest of everyday life!

you are a winner for sure!

Unfortunately that's not my jabo tree.  :'(
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on May 24, 2015, 03:39:11 AM
lol...

well at least you got a cambuca tree that bears like crazy!

 (even if it's not every year)

that's enough to make any rare fruit collector happy!!!



That year i wasn't happy...i was delirious.  ;)  I've been trying to coax that cambuca to give another repeat performance this year by feeding it my choicest ferts.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: BigIslandGrower on May 24, 2015, 07:56:27 PM
Thought all the jaboticabaholics out there would like this photo:

I thought all jaboticabas were overbearing, but that's taking it a step further.  :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 30, 2015, 09:10:23 PM
Here is one of the weird looking Myrciarias that sprouted...I thought at first it could be a deficiency or too much of a certain micro-nutrient... but i've noticed the leaves are like none other I've seen...I keep waiting for the plant to grow out of it...maybe the leaf type will change?

For now it makes very small, slender, leaves...with a bit of fuzz on them...which is somewhat unusual.

I'm beginning to suspect that its a seedling of the hybrid (red jaboticaba)...after planting thousands of them, I'm realizing they have more variation than I thought...but you really have to plant thousands to notice.

Next I have to post some pics of the strange trunciflora seedling that sprouted...it's definitely unusual.  Looks like a perfect cross between M. trunciflora and the Red jabo, (M. cauliflora hybrid).  I will post pics of all three trees to show what I'm talking about.


I have got some jabos that I need to post pics of...

I have some peculiar seedlings that popped up...I can't identify them...so it's exciting for now...that is, until the leaves revert back to normal, and I realize what they are!  or maybe I'm lucky...and have a new variety...I think it will be a little of both.

I also have a grafted tree (scions taken from my friends tree) that I can't identify....it reminds me somewhat of truciflora, but the leaves are fuzzy when young...and fuzzy on the undersides when mature...also, I've seen the mother tree flower, and they don't hang from stalks...so it can't be a variety of trunciflora.

I will try to post pics by sunday



([url]http://s28.postimg.cc/vchk54oqh/Picture_834.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/vchk54oqh/[/url])


Ok...here is a short story...with some pictures, of a strange jaboticaba seedling

as you can see in the post above, about 2-3yrs ago I planted a bunch of red jaboticaba seeds, and one of the seeds came up looking very strange, with a compact growth habit, and unique foliage appearance...having small lance shaped leaves...at least 3 x smaller than usual for Red jabo.

well..i took care of that seedling, hoping I would have a new variety...but it's growth was stunted...and it refused to grow at a normal pace...the seedling never did decline, but eventually it started to grow an extremely vigorous sucker from the base....being that it was the only real growth i had seen, I did not stop the sucker from growing....

it turned out that the sucker put out normal foliage, and the original, small strange looking seedling remained....stunted, and peculiar looking...now at least 5x smaller than the normal looking sucker that outgrew it.

so....i thought to myself...maybe this is a sport? I'll try to graft it, and see if it keeps the strange foliage, and growth habit!

here is the result of my experiment so far:


(http://s9.postimg.cc/uj2eq7g2z/IMG_1970.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/uj2eq7g2z/)

(http://s9.postimg.cc/p6dkc2s6j/IMG_1971.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/p6dkc2s6j/)


(it's hard to tell at this stage, but looks like it will keep its strange characteristics!  and has started to grow vigorously now that it's on sabara roots!)

i'm wondering if this branch was just diseased by a virus? or something that made it grow deformed leaves??  i think I've seen this happen before??  but very rarely...

let's see if this is something special, and if I can capture the magic!  ;D



Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on May 31, 2015, 08:37:14 PM
Adam, it's funny that you posted about the small leafed red jabo because out of all those seeds I got from you I have one seedling that has smaller leaves they all the rest too! :o
(http://s14.postimg.cc/ugd0mrevx/small_leafed_red_jabo_seedling_003.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ugd0mrevx/) small leaved seedling.


(http://s14.postimg.cc/7iuub0a3h/small_leafed_red_jabo_seedling_004.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7iuub0a3h/) regular leaved red jabo from same seed batch.


(http://s30.postimg.cc/65zd3uqml/small_leafed_red_jabo_seedling_005.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/65zd3uqml/) another pic of small leaved red jabo, always thought that there was something wrong with this guy but same soil and same care as other, now I think I'll just let it grow see if it has small fruits too, could be excellent Bonzai material! ::)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 31, 2015, 09:01:56 PM
Very cool!!

Looks a lot like the one I have!

Let me know if the leaves stay small!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Galka on May 31, 2015, 11:31:00 PM
One of my jabos has two trunks. I wonder if these are two seedlings and I should (could) separate them? Or they would be alright growing together?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Galka on June 01, 2015, 10:40:57 AM
Here is the pic.

(http://i.imgur.com/UuFKrna.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 01, 2015, 10:51:13 AM
the seeds are polyembronic.

you can definitely separate the seedlings...

but I would just leave them...you may lose one at this point trying to pull them apart.

also, I've seen many double trunked jaboticabas turn into a single trunk over time...not sure if yours is going to do this, but it does happen.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Galka on June 01, 2015, 12:44:56 PM
Thanks Adam. I will leave them alone and see what will happen.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 01, 2015, 09:44:20 PM
Galka,

go ahead and prune the small seedling...removing any small green branches from the oldest woody portions of your tree.

keep doing this, and the tree will typically fruit faster (in my experience)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Galka on June 01, 2015, 11:48:55 PM
I'll do that, Adam. BTW, all grafts on my loquats took and are pushing leaves.  :D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 01, 2015, 11:54:47 PM
I'll do that, Adam. BTW, all grafts on my loquats took and are pushing leaves.  :D

hahaha you remember how worried I was about that one tree!

I kept saying if it doesnt' take, I will graft it again!

LOL  I hope it does very well for you.

grafting the old wood of loquats like I did for that tree is very difficult IMO!

the second tree I did was much easier!

it's good to see it done both ways so you know the difference between grafting with hard wood, and semi hard wood.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Galka on June 02, 2015, 12:07:36 AM
I'll do that, Adam. BTW, all grafts on my loquats took and are pushing leaves.  :D

hahaha you remember how worried I was about that one tree!

I kept saying if it doesnt' take, I will graft it again!

LOL  I hope it does very well for you.

grafting the old wood of loquats like I did for that tree is very difficult IMO!

the second tree I did was much easier!

it's good to see it done both ways so you know the difference between grafting with hard wood, and semi hard wood.
Well, what can I say, Adam, you are a Pro.  :D And a good teacher too. I remember every step you showed me, just need to try them on something. Need to buy a couple boxes of bandages in case something goes wrong, haha.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: harveyc on June 02, 2015, 12:52:03 AM
Sorry, I haven't been a very reliable jaboticabaholic and haven't been sharing my problem very well here.  I've got many addictions and haven't neglected this addiction but just haven't been sharing much.

I've posted photos of my apparent Sabara tree previously, one I bought in 2008.  I've had some modest crops the past couple of years but this year it's really gone crazy.  I think it might be because I finally broke down and followed another addicts pruning advice!  I usually take photos of my tree a couple of times each day lately.  This helps since I can look at the photos when it's not near me.  :)

I think this is pretty dang good for NorCal!

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-jMFcNSEI2Qw/VW0PjeTFUYI/AAAAAAAAbvY/XalR9RxEqQM/w489-h865-no/IMAG3511.jpg)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 02, 2015, 01:48:04 AM
nice photo!!

thanks for sharing!!!

I'm like a cardinal on a hot summer day...ready to peck every last one of those!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on June 02, 2015, 11:15:01 AM
Hey Harvey, long time no hear from you glad to see your Jabo is fruiting well for you I bet all your W. Sapote's must me giant by now!! Your Jabo is Sabarah right?Thanks for sharing pic ;) 8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Caesar on June 02, 2015, 08:54:13 PM
So... .Seeing as this is the premier thread for Jabo lovers, I thought I'd drop by to ask the Prince and his subjects: How do you process large amounts of Jabo pulp for freezing when you don't wanna freeze 'em whole and you don't wanna juice 'em? Is there a particular technique for skin and seed removal, or is it a lost cause? I'd imagine skin removal wouldn't be too difficult, but the seed worries me a little.

I remember reading some references for Açaí and Spanish Lime that say you can pulp 'em by soaking them in water for a few hours. Tried it on Spanish Lime, didn't work. Would it work on Jabos?

I don't mind tedious hand separation as long as it's doable. Question is, is it even doable, or do the seed and skin fight you on this?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 02, 2015, 09:16:21 PM
Caesar,

good question...

I just mash them through a colander, using a potato masher...

then I take all the seeds, and try to squeeze out as much juice as possible without breaking the seeds.

there is always a portion of juice/pulp, that I can't free from the seed...

but I can manually get at least 90% of the juice available in each fruit...

Im guessing you would need a machine that agitates the seeds, (like a washing machine), to totally clean the seeds, and get every last bit of pulp.

but simply put, they are a lot like grapes...except the pulp clings to the seed more, and the skin is a bit more tannic.

(I try not to break apart the skins too much when I'm pressing the fruits, the more you break down the skins, the more tannic the pulp juice becomes...and the darker the color will be...fresh jabo juice has a light whitish/pink/violet color....as it oxidizes, the color becomes a vibrant purple/pink.)

So... .Seeing as this is the premier thread for Jabo lovers, I thought I'd drop by to ask the Prince and his subjects: How do you process large amounts of Jabo pulp for freezing when you don't wanna freeze 'em whole and you don't wanna juice 'em? Is there a particular technique for skin and seed removal, or is it a lost cause? I'd imagine skin removal wouldn't be too difficult, but the seed worries me a little.

I remember reading some references for Açaí and Spanish Lime that say you can pulp 'em by soaking them in water for a few hours. Tried it on Spanish Lime, didn't work. Would it work on Jabos?

I don't mind tedious hand separation as long as it's doable. Question is, is it even doable, or do the seed and skin fight you on this?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gnappi on June 02, 2015, 09:32:34 PM
I can't wait till I have this freezing dilemma from my 7 Jaboticaba... :-) 

As it is I stand in front of my sabara and eat em till it's nearly picked clean and get the rest into a cup for the fridge for the next day.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Caesar on June 02, 2015, 09:50:53 PM
Caesar,

good question...

I just mash them through a colander, using a potato masher...

then I take all the seeds, and try to squeeze out as much juice as possible without breaking the seeds.

there is always a portion of juice/pulp, that I can't free from the seed...

but I can manually get at least 90% of the juice available in each fruit...

Im guessing you would need a machine that agitates the seeds, (like a washing machine), to totally clean the seeds, and get every last bit of pulp.

but simply put, they are a lot like grapes...except the pulp clings to the seed more, and the skin is a bit more tannic.

(I try not to break apart the skins too much when I'm pressing the fruits, the more you break down the skins, the more tannic the pulp juice becomes...and the darker the color will be...fresh jabo juice has a light whitish/pink/violet color....as it oxidizes, the color becomes a vibrant purple/pink.)

Allright, so you mash 'em, remove the skins, then mash 'em again. Sounds doable.

I can't wait till I have this freezing dilemma from my 7 Jaboticaba... :-) 

As it is I stand in front of my sabara and eat em till it's nearly picked clean and get the rest into a cup for the fridge for the next day.

I don't have this dilemma yet (not even close), but I like to plan ahead. I'll have it someday, seeing as I have 6 different species, and I'm still getting more. Wonder if mashing them will work on Grimals and Blues, or if it'll be necessary on Yellows and Whites.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on June 02, 2015, 10:37:15 PM
Lazy man's way is to freeze the jaboticabas whole (just like with lychees) and peel them as you eat them. Just doesn't work well if you're trying to save the seeds.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: harveyc on June 03, 2015, 11:52:58 AM
Hey Harvey, long time no hear from you glad to see your Jabo is fruiting well for you I bet all your W. Sapote's must me giant by now!! Your Jabo is Sabarah right?Thanks for sharing pic ;) 8)

Yes, that's right, Robert, Adam helped identify it as the Sabara variety a couple of years ago (wasn't identified when bought from Ong Nursery).  My white sapote need much more room to grow and I have some new potted ones that I plan to plant out in the open more to get the room they need.  With the mild winter we had I hope to get some early fruits to ripen.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 03, 2015, 12:07:19 PM
So... .Seeing as this is the premier thread for Jabo lovers, I thought I'd drop by to ask the Prince and his subjects...."


A Prince to some, but a very small minority considers my domain rubbish...

 ;D :P

http://youtu.be/Q_c7SbkGaLk?t=30s (http://youtu.be/Q_c7SbkGaLk?t=30s)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: From the sea on June 03, 2015, 12:15:27 PM
Love that movie!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 03, 2015, 12:18:05 PM
Love that movie!

you and I are friends for sure.  ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: From the sea on June 03, 2015, 12:25:55 PM
No doubt
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bush2Beach on June 03, 2015, 12:30:25 PM
Yes, figured it was a princess bride clip before clicking the link.
There's just some movies out there that can be seen 50 times in youth.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on June 03, 2015, 02:36:35 PM
News for the jaboticabaholics: a seller in Brasil that have what is supposed to be one of the most rare species of jabuticaba, one that grows as a vine/liana: http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-661939050-muda-grande-da-rarissima-e-deliciosa-jabuticaba-parreira-_JM. (http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-661939050-muda-grande-da-rarissima-e-deliciosa-jabuticaba-parreira-_JM.)
But at least for me, the price is prohibitive... Something around USD 106.22 with delivery included...   :(
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on June 03, 2015, 06:16:43 PM
News for the jaboticabaholics: a seller in Brasil that have what is supposed to be one of the most rare species of jabuticaba, one that grows as a vine/liana: [url]http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-661939050-muda-grande-da-rarissima-e-deliciosa-jabuticaba-parreira-_JM.[/url] ([url]http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-661939050-muda-grande-da-rarissima-e-deliciosa-jabuticaba-parreira-_JM.[/url])
But at least for me, the price is prohibitive... Something around USD 106.22 with delivery included...   :(


The link didn't work for me. A vining jaboticaba? That's insane! What will they think of next?  ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Galka on June 03, 2015, 09:06:38 PM
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-661939050-muda-grande-da-rarissima-e-deliciosa-jabuticaba-parreira-_JM (http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-661939050-muda-grande-da-rarissima-e-deliciosa-jabuticaba-parreira-_JM) This may work.  :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 03, 2015, 09:13:52 PM
Galka! thanks for fixing the link!

Cassio!  wow what an interesting find!

thanks for enlightening me...we must find out more!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on June 03, 2015, 09:54:43 PM
So wife is addicted to DIY yard crashers. She was watching an episode in New Orleans. Yells for me to come check it out.  They were planting a huge Jabo with a forklift.  Atleast 9-10ft tall.   Called it Brazilian Grape.  Will it survive up there with their winters?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Caesar on June 03, 2015, 10:11:22 PM
So... .Seeing as this is the premier thread for Jabo lovers, I thought I'd drop by to ask the Prince and his subjects...."


A Prince to some, but a very small minority considers my domain rubbish...

 ;D :P

[url]http://youtu.be/Q_c7SbkGaLk?t=30s[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/Q_c7SbkGaLk?t=30s[/url])


Wow, haven't seen that movie in years. Classic.

Nadie tira piedras a un árbol que no da fruto... Or so my elders taught me.   ;)


News for the jaboticabaholics: a seller in Brasil that have what is supposed to be one of the most rare species of jabuticaba, one that grows as a vine/liana: [url]http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-661939050-muda-grande-da-rarissima-e-deliciosa-jabuticaba-parreira-_JM.[/url] ([url]http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-661939050-muda-grande-da-rarissima-e-deliciosa-jabuticaba-parreira-_JM.[/url])
But at least for me, the price is prohibitive... Something around USD 106.22 with delivery included...   :(


I'd say the price is insane, but then, so is the plant. Someday...
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 03, 2015, 10:19:46 PM
I asked a knowledgeable friend from Brazil, who has pretty much seen it all when it comes to Myrciarias, he said he's never seen this variety, and believes it to be a fake!

be careful!  the price is definitely suspect!

we should try to find out more about this seller...

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Don on June 03, 2015, 10:55:29 PM
Hey bit off topic of climbing jabos, Adam I have these vexator seedlings and gauqiea seedlings from you and just wondering do they ever straighten up or do they keep growing over to one side? Have not seen adult trees so don't know wether to stake them straight or if they straighten themselves.
Don
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 03, 2015, 10:59:34 PM
Hey bit off topic of climbing jabos, Adam I have these vexator seedlings and gauqiea seedlings from you and just wondering do they ever straighten up or do they keep growing over to one side? Have not seen adult trees so don't know wether to stake them straight or if they straighten themselves.
Don

they will figure it out...but you can stake them if you like...I believe the guaquiea is more upright..but both can be shrub-like for sure
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on June 04, 2015, 04:21:51 PM
I asked a knowledgeable friend from Brazil, who has pretty much seen it all when it comes to Myrciarias, he said he's never seen this variety, and believes it to be a fake!

be careful!  the price is definitely suspect!

we should try to find out more about this seller...

I asked Helton about it. He never saw this species, but he knows a person who says that it exists. This person said that the last time he saw this jaboticaba, was more than 40 years ago and never saw it again since that age !!! I'm tempted, but the price is to high ...
I bought other plants from that seller before, without problems, but that cost me just USD 10.00.
I´ll let it behind. USD 102 is to much!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 04, 2015, 04:23:48 PM
Cassio,

if the plant is real, that amount of money is nothing!

I promise you can make your money back!

I will help you do it...but the plant has to be the real deal!

I asked a knowledgeable friend from Brazil, who has pretty much seen it all when it comes to Myrciarias, he said he's never seen this variety, and believes it to be a fake!

be careful!  the price is definitely suspect!

we should try to find out more about this seller...

I asked Helton about it. He never saw this species, but he knows a person who says that it exists. This person said that the last time he saw this jaboticaba, was more than 40 years ago and never saw it again since that age !!! I'm tempted, but the price is to high ...
I bought other plants from that seller before, without problems, but that cost me just USD 10.00.
I´ll let it behind. USD 102 is to much!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 04, 2015, 04:35:20 PM
Hahahaha!

I just realized what a sick bastard I am!

Peer pressure is a bitch!

here were are in a self help thread, and I'm encouraging you to risk over $100 usd on a rare myrciaria!


(http://s24.postimg.cc/fsvk943k1/article_2135057_00002_E6500000_CB2_603_634x398.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fsvk943k1/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gnappi on June 04, 2015, 07:16:31 PM
Hahahaha!

I just realized what a sick bastard I am!
Peer pressure is a bitch! here were are in a self help thread, and I'm encouraging you to risk over $100 usd on a rare myrciaria!

You're not sick, obsessed maybe... sick no :-) If it were in the U.S I'll bet lots of people would risk the $100!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on June 04, 2015, 07:31:29 PM
Do like the Filipinos, and other Asians here do, and ask for a discount.  ;) A photo for proof would also be very nice. 8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 04, 2015, 07:36:39 PM
Hahahaha!

I just realized what a sick bastard I am!
Peer pressure is a bitch! here were are in a self help thread, and I'm encouraging you to risk over $100 usd on a rare myrciaria!

You're not sick, obsessed maybe... sick no :-) If it were in the U.S I'll bet lots of people would risk the $100!

that's the spirit Gary!

you can find a hundred dollar bill anywhere, but find me a vine-like jaboticaba!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on June 04, 2015, 07:39:48 PM
Hahahaha!

I just realized what a sick bastard I am!
Peer pressure is a bitch! here were are in a self help thread, and I'm encouraging you to risk over $100 usd on a rare myrciaria!

You're not sick, obsessed maybe... sick no :-) If it were in the U.S I'll bet lots of people would risk the $100!

that's the spirit Gary!

you can find a hundred dollar bill anywhere, but find me a vine-like jaboticaba!

Consider also how much it would cost to fly back and forth to Brazil to collect the species? And also all the hassle of trying to cross border with a plant or seeds? Then you start to get the idea that $100 is not very much when considering introduction of rare species.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on June 04, 2015, 08:54:17 PM
Hahahaha!
I just realized what a sick bastard I am!
Peer pressure is a bitch! here were are in a self help thread, and I'm encouraging you to risk over $100 usd on a rare myrciaria!

You're not sick, obsessed maybe... sick no :-) If it were in the U.S I'll bet lots of people would risk the $100!

that's the spirit Gary!
you can find a hundred dollar bill anywhere, but find me a vine-like jaboticaba!

Consider also how much it would cost to fly back and forth to Brazil to collect the species? And also all the hassle of trying to cross border with a plant or seeds? Then you start to get the idea that $100 is not very much when considering introduction of rare species.


You are all crazy men (in a good way).  ;D I know if its a real jaboticaba vine, I´ll have my money back in a short time, but surely its a risk.
USD 100 is equal to R$ 300... The seller said me the plant is 04 years old and its the last one left.  :-\ I asked about the scientific name and photos of older plants with fruits. Lets wait and see what comes.

Just as a curiosity, here it goes the link of two species that, in truth, aren´t a jabuticaba but are known as jabuticaba-de-cipó:
http://www.arvores.brasil.nom.br/lianas/jabuticacipo/ (http://www.arvores.brasil.nom.br/lianas/jabuticacipo/)
http://www.outvue.com/q/Chondodendron%20platyphyllum (http://www.outvue.com/q/Chondodendron%20platyphyllum)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gnappi on June 04, 2015, 09:26:36 PM
I say we all send Cassio $5 thru paypal and get rights to seeds :-)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: cbss_daviefl on June 05, 2015, 02:50:39 PM
ID confirmation request, Adam and other jabo wise men, this means you!!!   

This jabo is flowering but it shouldn't be based my limited jabo knowledge. It is around 4 years old, 4 feet tall from the soil, in a 15 gal pot.  The tree is labeled but maybe it was mislabeled.
 
(http://s17.postimg.cc/mbv48ynpn/Jabo_ID2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/mbv48ynpn/)



(http://s23.postimg.cc/9wp4rws13/Jabo_ID1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9wp4rws13/)


Some of the leaves are 4"+ long
(http://s12.postimg.cc/a9g5pd2pl/Jabo_ID3.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/a9g5pd2pl/)


Underside of the same leaf
(http://s22.postimg.cc/eqmrcymrh/Jabo_ID4.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/eqmrcymrh/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 05, 2015, 03:22:09 PM
M. grandifolia from PIN
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 05, 2015, 03:25:02 PM
I say we all send Cassio $5 thru paypal and get rights to seeds :-)


Gary!

thanks for they alley oop!

I GOT 5 ON IT!
http://youtu.be/HSC9cgvtkRs (http://youtu.be/HSC9cgvtkRs)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: cbss_daviefl on June 05, 2015, 03:39:30 PM
Mislabeled as....  M. truncafolia

Thanks for the ID. 

M. grandifolia from PIN
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 05, 2015, 03:45:52 PM
nice find Bro!

those reportedly take longer than that to fruit....

I have one that is larger that hasn't flowered yet!

you have been rewarded for being a real addict.

it's like waking up the morning after partying and still being drunk.  :D
Mislabeled as....  M. truncafolia

Thanks for the ID. 

M. grandifolia from PIN
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 05, 2015, 06:02:24 PM
Damn hind sight is 2020, after browsing this page, I just noticed this thread is bumping!

we got reports of possible vining jaboticabas in Brazil...

a surprisingly precocious M. grandifolia in FL...

weird mutant red jaboticabas with small leaves in CA (and FL)....

and gangsta rap on tap!

this is the place to be, better than watching MTV!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: raimeiken on June 05, 2015, 08:22:26 PM
Just want to share something I stumbled up on instagram. I started following this awesome Brazilian landscape architect (Alex Hanazaki). Browsing through pics of his projects and I started noticing all the large Jaboticaba trees he uses in his works. Very cool photos!

(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e15/11325325_952901584731865_181326220_n.jpg)

(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xat1/t51.2885-15/e15/1172170_444361392333306_356007867_n.jpg)

(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e15/914310_279264752229065_722667297_n.jpg)

(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e15/1515295_505567959561911_1425662503_n.jpg)

(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfp1/t51.2885-15/e15/1530853_254837834671917_1063130888_n.jpg)


Here's a shot of a large one being planted.  ;D
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfa1/t51.2885-15/e15/1389320_331269410346747_2049071577_n.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/54CfxVrl.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/nuzbCXql.jpg)


If you wanna see more of his works, check out his web page
http://www.alexhanazaki.com.br/projetos/all (http://www.alexhanazaki.com.br/projetos/all)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 05, 2015, 08:37:59 PM
raimeiken,

thanks for posting such great pics!!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on June 05, 2015, 08:48:59 PM
Amazing!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on June 05, 2015, 11:34:50 PM
Wow, nice pic's 8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: harveyc on June 06, 2015, 01:33:14 AM
What do you suppose is the size of the largest jabo tree in the U.S.?  Can we all dream some day that ours will be as large as some of those landscape specimens? :)  How old do you imagine some of those are?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on June 06, 2015, 06:13:23 AM
What do you suppose is the size of the largest jabo tree in the U.S.?  Can we all dream some day that ours will be as large as some of those landscape specimens? :)  How old do you imagine some of those are?

I'd guess those trees are 25-35 years old. I have a tree that is over 25 years old. I've seen jaboticaba trees here over 50 years old, so more than twice the size. of those in the photos In Brazil i've seen trees over 100 years old. I've posted a photo of one before. They get massive! There might be 100 year old trees here also, i've never seen them though.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: BigIslandGrower on June 06, 2015, 11:59:47 AM
Great photos.  The one being planted looks to be about the size of my only jaboticaba, which is not quite 20 yrs old. 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gnappi on June 06, 2015, 10:35:33 PM
I've tested my soil (silver/brown sandy soil) at 7.1 to 7.3 making it mildly alkaline.

I'm thinking of throwing my mango and banana peels and coffee grinds around my Jaboticaba to either bring it closer to neutral or the acid side and add a bit of (in the case of banana peel more K) NPK. Is anyone using kitchen scraps to help condition their Jabo soil?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 07, 2015, 07:11:15 PM
I've tested my soil (silver/brown sandy soil) at 7.1 to 7.3 making it mildly alkaline.

I'm thinking of throwing my mango and banana peels and coffee grinds around my Jaboticaba to either bring it closer to neutral or the acid side and add a bit of (in the case of banana peel more K) NPK. Is anyone using kitchen scraps to help condition their Jabo soil?
all the time bro, I'm pretty sure u can get away with just using kitchen scraps, never using store bought fertilizer.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: harveyc on June 07, 2015, 07:20:32 PM
Is there something about jaboticaba fruit (skins?) that cause irrigation to the tongue of someone consuming the fruit?  I ate quite a bit of fruit a couple of days ago and later that night I realized my tongue was burning as if it had been irrigated by latex.  It could have been causes by something else, though the only thing I can think of is one fig I also ate that that day.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: xyzm on June 07, 2015, 07:49:24 PM
Alll I want is that jaboticabin.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 08, 2015, 12:51:54 AM
Is there something about jaboticaba fruit (skins?) that cause irrigation to the tongue of someone consuming the fruit?  I ate quite a bit of fruit a couple of days ago and later that night I realized my tongue was burning as if it had been irrigated by latex.  It could have been causes by something else, though the only thing I can think of is one fig I also ate that that day.

I'm sure anything is possible...but I doubt it was the jaboticaba skins....I have never heard of them doing this...but depending on the variety, eating them in excess (it really doesn't take much for certain species), can give you an upset stomach for sure.

I'm guessing it could have been the fig!  based on your description of being irritated by latex.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 08, 2015, 12:53:28 AM
Alll I want is that jaboticabin.

I'm like the Keith Richards of Myrciaria, yes there is a little blood in my jaboticabin stream!  ;D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on June 08, 2015, 10:41:50 AM
HAHAHAHA :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: xyzm on June 08, 2015, 12:34:34 PM
Unfortunately I have never tried it. Any one in South Florida want to send me some? Ill cover shipping and some extra. Specifically located in Lee county.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on June 08, 2015, 03:59:59 PM
I'd guess those trees are 25-35 years old. I have a tree that is over 25 years old. I've seen jaboticaba trees here over 50 years old, so more than twice the size. of those in the photos In Brazil i've seen trees over 100 years old. I've posted a photo of one before. They get massive! There might be 100 year old trees here also, i've never seen them though.

Oscar, look this and try don´t salivate to much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNuTdJD3-EU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNuTdJD3-EU)
It´s the biggest jaboticabal in the world, located in the Hidrolândia city. They have more than 38.000 trees of jaboticaba...
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on June 08, 2015, 05:51:09 PM
 :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on June 08, 2015, 05:53:46 PM
Cassio, I speak Spanish so can pick up words here and there in Portuguese but not enough to put it together lol  What was he saying at the end about that white little worm, something about a poison injected with a syringe?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on June 08, 2015, 06:28:23 PM
I'd guess those trees are 25-35 years old. I have a tree that is over 25 years old. I've seen jaboticaba trees here over 50 years old, so more than twice the size. of those in the photos In Brazil i've seen trees over 100 years old. I've posted a photo of one before. They get massive! There might be 100 year old trees here also, i've never seen them though.

Oscar, look this and try don´t salivate to much:
It´s the biggest jaboticabal in the world, located in the Hidrolândia city. They have more than 38.000 trees of jaboticaba...

Thanks, nice orchard!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 08, 2015, 06:52:37 PM
Unfortunately I have never tried it. Any one in South Florida want to send me some? Ill cover shipping and some extra. Specifically located in Lee county.

u r in ft myers? doesn't fruitscapes have a fruiting tree?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: xyzm on June 08, 2015, 08:44:36 PM
Unfortunately I have never tried it. Any one in South Florida want to send me some? Ill cover shipping and some extra. Specifically located in Lee county.

u r in ft myers? doesn't fruitscapes have a fruiting tree?

Yes and I have never heard of them, will have to look it up.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on June 09, 2015, 09:26:42 AM
... The seller said me the plant is 04 years old and its the last one left.  :-\ I asked about the scientific name and photos of older plants with fruits. Lets wait and see what comes.


Talking about what is supposed to be a jaboticaba vine, here it goes a photo of the mother-tree, sent me by the seller:

(https://frutasemvasos.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/mother-tree2.jpg?w=660)

He told me the tree had to be tied because the branches hang down as they grow, and can touch the soil. The main trunk is straight, have small diameter and little branching. The seller also told me that he removes branches that arise further down the trunk. It bears sweet fruit in the trunk and also at the end of twigs.
Well, mystery solved. In fact, it isn´t a vine or liana, although it may be an uncommon variety.

Photo of the leafs

(http://mlb-s1-p.mlstatic.com/muda-grande-da-rarissima-e-deliciosa-jabuticaba-parreira-182401-MLB20310290914_052015-F.jpg)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Viking Guy on June 09, 2015, 10:00:52 AM
Cassio, I speak Spanish so can pick up words here and there in Portuguese but not enough to put it together lol  What was he saying at the end about that white little worm, something about a poison injected with a syringe?

That wasn't a worm.  It was heartwood dust pushed out by an invading ambrosia beetle.  Syringe treatment I found was the only cure--similar to preventing borers from decimating melon plants.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 09, 2015, 10:32:39 AM
Cassio,
it was too good to be true...

there is no vining jaboticaba...

good detective work.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Viking Guy on June 09, 2015, 10:59:33 AM
Cassio,
it was too good to be true...

there is no vining jaboticaba...

good detective work.

I suppose it possible with training an pruning to grow one into a vining shape.  Would at least look cool.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on June 09, 2015, 12:55:47 PM
Cassio,
it was too good to be true...
there is no vining jaboticaba...
good detective work.


Yeah, but these two species that, in truth, aren´t a jabuticaba, are known as jabuticaba-de-cipó: :D A mature Chondodrendron can be sold by something around R$ 1500,00 (USD 500,00) !!
http://www.arvores.brasil.nom.br/lianas/jabuticacipo/ (http://www.arvores.brasil.nom.br/lianas/jabuticacipo/)
http://www.outvue.com/q/Chondodendron%20platyphyllum (http://www.outvue.com/q/Chondodendron%20platyphyllum)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 09, 2015, 10:56:07 PM
have tried growing a few of these jaboticaba like species from the Cerrado(or areas like the cerrado)...I was excited at first...

but i always kill them!! (pH too high to keep them happy, or I always over water during the winter)

I give up!

Cassio,
it was too good to be true...
there is no vining jaboticaba...
good detective work.


Yeah, but these two species that, in truth, aren´t a jabuticaba, are known as jabuticaba-de-cipó: :D A mature Chondodrendron can be sold by something around R$ 1500,00 (USD 500,00) !!
[url]http://www.arvores.brasil.nom.br/lianas/jabuticacipo/[/url] ([url]http://www.arvores.brasil.nom.br/lianas/jabuticacipo/[/url])
[url]http://www.outvue.com/q/Chondodendron%20platyphyllum[/url] ([url]http://www.outvue.com/q/Chondodendron%20platyphyllum[/url])
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Caesar on June 10, 2015, 12:57:07 AM
Has anyone bothered to try selective breeding on the different Jabos? I’m not talking about merely “This tree tastes a little better! I’d better propagate it”. I’m talking about intense, directed selection, with a goal in mind; be it by hybridizing, or with pure species lines. I know there are selected cultivars available in some places, but I wonder if even they can be improved upon.

I have a few ideas in mind, but I’m hardly in a position to test them out right now.

Breeding for thin tannin-free skin seems most attractive for consumption, but I bet they’d also be more susceptible to pests. On the other hand, thick tannic skins might require you to bite through and discard the skin, but it’d be safer from pests, and more desirable for productivity in that regard.

If adherence of pulp to skin is an issue, breeding for slip-skin might be desirable.

A freestone cultivar would probably be great for processing, and if combined with thin tannin-free skin (or thick, tannic, slip-skin), it’d probably be ideal for that purpose.

The larger-fruited species make me wonder if they can be bred into some sort of stone-fruit analogue.

Then there’s breeding for smaller seed size and better pulp-to-seed ratio. Precociousness is a sought-after trait (and ideal for selective breeding, which would take time). And then the traditional breeding goals of superior flavor, better productivity, disease resistance, vigor, and versatility of soil tolerance.


I’ve already seen a few species that display some of these traits, but I’ve yet to see a species that incorporates all of them (at least the non-conflicting traits).

M. aureana and M. cuspidata seem to both have thin, tannin-free skin, and M. trunciflora is low-tannin at least.

Grimal has thick, tannic skin and small seeds (does it have good pulp-to-seed ratio?); apparently, it, together with Trunciflora, seems to have the best flavor. I wouldn’t know if pulp adherence to skin is an issue (I’ve no direct experience with them yet), so I also don’t know which ones (if any) possess the slip-skin trait.

Cuspidata is freestone, but it’s small in size, and large-seeded.

M. coronata, M. cauliflora and P. edulis have the largest fruit, but they’re slow growing (at least P. edulis is), so not very good candidates for selective breeding (unless you could find or breed a precocious morph). Could one of the other species be bred for larger fruit size?

Cuspidata, the Red Hybrid, and the Vermelha Hybrid seem to be the most precocious. Vermelha is more precocious, but seems sensitive to the wrong soil conditions.

The Red Hybrid seems the best candidate for selection. It’s already fast, productive (almost everbearing), vigorous, and resistant to adverse conditions. Now the question is, what would it take to breed these traits into it, in the best possible combination? Simple selection, or maybe by involving more crossbreeding?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 10, 2015, 01:14:44 AM
People have already purposefully created hybrids, and they occur naturally more than you might think.

I actually have several trees that I believe are new hybrids (I'm in the process of trying to confirm my suspicion)

Honestly I haven't had time make a worthwhile attempt at creating a new hybrid intentionally...but if you have several species flowering in one place at the same time, eventually you will get a hybrid (but not all species are capable of hybridization ...for instance, you can't cross yellow jabo with cambuca, or sabara with cambuca or yellow...but u could theoretically hybridize guaquiea with strigipes or glazioviana or glomerata ...)

But now we are treading into dangerous territory, where an intense debate can arise...about the genetic modification of myrciarias and plinias.

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on June 10, 2015, 02:12:51 AM
People have already purposefully created hybrids, and they occur naturally more than you might think.

I actually have several trees that I believe are new hybrids (I'm in the process of trying to confirm my suspicion)

Honestly I haven't had time make a worthwhile attempt at creating a new hybrid intentionally...but if you have several species flowering in one place at the same time, eventually you will get a hybrid (but not all species are capable of hybridization ...for instance, you can't cross yellow jabo with cambuca, or sabara with cambuca or yellow...but u could theoretically hybridize guaquiea with strigipes or glazioviana or glomerata ...)

But now we are treading into dangerous territory, where an intense debate can arise...about the genetic modification of myrciarias and plinias.

Selective breeding is totally different than genetic modification. No debate about selective breeding. That has been done by humans for thousands of years.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 10, 2015, 08:43:00 AM
Oscar

Of course I know this  ::)

But based on the species and characteristics noted by Caesar, the only way to combine them or harness the charactersitics, would be in a lab...

For instance, cuspidata x grimal

If you are actually considering breeding, you must consider which plants are capable of being hybridized...without genetic modification.



People have already purposefully created hybrids, and they occur naturally more than you might think.

I actually have several trees that I believe are new hybrids (I'm in the process of trying to confirm my suspicion)

Honestly I haven't had time make a worthwhile attempt at creating a new hybrid intentionally...but if you have several species flowering in one place at the same time, eventually you will get a hybrid (but not all species are capable of hybridization ...for instance, you can't cross yellow jabo with cambuca, or sabara with cambuca or yellow...but u could theoretically hybridize guaquiea with strigipes or glazioviana or glomerata ...)

But now we are treading into dangerous territory, where an intense debate can arise...about the genetic modification of myrciarias and plinias.

Selective breeding is totally different than genetic modification. No debate about selective breeding. That has been done by humans for thousands of years.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fisherking73 on June 10, 2015, 09:57:24 AM
This thread just went above my pay grade ???
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 10, 2015, 10:26:06 AM
This thread just went above my pay grade ???

I need to give you a raise!

this subject really isn't that complicated.

in a nut shell (jabo shell  ;) )....

it would be wonderful, to easily and intentionally create new hybrids (or varieties), but this is a very looooooong process....and out of the dozens  (over 100 easy?) of species that exist, only certain species are capable of being hybridized...without paying a satan worshiping scientist for tinkering with the genomes of these jewels from God, in a lab.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Caesar on June 10, 2015, 10:38:08 AM
Oscar

Of course I know this  ::)

But based on the species and characteristics noted by Caesar, the only way to combine them or harness the charactersitics, would be in a lab...

For instance, cuspidata x grimal

If you are actually considering breeding, you must consider which plants are capable of being hybridized...without genetic modification.

Well, I don't think hybridization is strictly necessary to breed any of these qualities into them. I just mentioned it as an option, wherever it might be possible. I think it's possible to breed every single one of these traits into a single tree without hybridizing. The real problem here is that even selective breeding requires a chance mutation to begin the work, and if there's no mutation, you've got nothing to work with.

You might develop an Aureana or a Grimal with a freestone habit just by selection. But you'd still need to find a chance seedling whose fruits show qualities in that direction. It seems like a lot is left to chance here, but there's no way around that. Stonefruit had hundreds of years worth of selection to develop their traits. Jabos might enjoy similar developments on a similar timescale, but for a breeder looking for tangible progress in his lifetime, it's not fast enough. Granted, I wouldn't modify Jabos in a lab, but I'm not averse to taking less drastic shortcuts, if they're available.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 10, 2015, 11:26:35 AM
Right on Caesar,

you are correct in your assumption that you can find some new varieties by selective breeding, but this would take a long time as well, and would require tons of space for growing....it's just not feasible for most growers...consider how large the trees must be before fruiting, how long it takes for them to fruit, and how many trees you'd need to plant to produce a new trait.

as for good old fashioned hybridization
I believe aureana x grimal is possible!

it's on my list of things to do! maybe next spring I can make worthwhile attempt?

I made some feeble attempts at cross pollinating the Grimal with Red pollen...

lol...maybe some lucky dog will end up buying one of the seeds from me....

they were both fruiting in close proximity to each other in my greenhouse!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Caesar on June 10, 2015, 12:04:49 PM
Right on Caesar,

you are correct in your assumption that you can find some new varieties by selective breeding, but this would take a long time as well, and would require tons of space for growing....it's just not feasible for most growers...consider how large the trees must be before fruiting, how long it takes for them to fruit, and how many trees you'd need to plant to produce a new trait.

as for good old fashioned hybridization
I believe aureana x grimal is possible!

it's on my list of things to do! maybe next spring I can make worthwhile attempt?

I made some feeble attempts at cross pollinating the Grimal with Red pollen...

lol...maybe some lucky dog will end up buying one of the seeds from me....

they were both fruiting in close proximity to each other in my greenhouse!

Aureana x Grimal?! You have my attention! That seems like a rather disparate cross. The results are sure to be interesting.

I was hoping to attempt Cuspidata x Aureana (still waiting on Miguel's seeds... struck while the iron was HOT!  8)), but I've no info. to go on regarding compatibility. Just gonna wing it for now.

You mentioned earlier the incompatibility between the Plinia group, the Yellow group and the Common group. I think it can happen, but you might need special techniques, and fertility of the resulting tree is another hurdle entirely. When I looked up Mentor Grafting, I also found a reference to Mentor Pollination, and apparently it helps when trying to bring together widely divergent species. And besides, if Luther Burbank could bring together a Dewberry with an Apple (albeit with sterile results), I don't see why a Sabara x Cambuçá should be impossible.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 10, 2015, 12:13:32 PM
Caesar,

good luck with some of those crosses and techniques you mention...

but my common sense tells me....if such crosses could be done without creating a transgenetic organism, it would have been done already in Brazil!

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: harveyc on June 10, 2015, 01:51:22 PM
Something simpler: Essentially all of my fruits this year have two seeds, a few with three.  I only recall them having one seed the prior few years but my memory on this is not 100% by a long shot.  Adam has previously identified my tree as Sabara.  Is there anything unusual about this?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: echinopora on June 10, 2015, 03:09:04 PM
There is a published paper on jaboticaba hybridization.  From what I can remember they made crosses and used genetic markers to check for success.  They did not grow them out. There was a very high success rate.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 10, 2015, 03:50:12 PM
There is a published paper on jaboticaba hybridization.  From what I can remember they made crosses and used genetic markers to check for success.  They did not grow them out. There was a very high success rate.

see if you can find it...I'm assuming it's written in Portuguese?

I bet they used species like, M. cauliflora, M. jaboticaba, M. coronata, M. trunciflora and M. aureana....

I doubt they attempted to hybridize stuff like glazioviana, tenella, cuspidata, dubia, P. edulis.

do you see the point I'm trying to make?

hybridization is not as easy as some might think...when you are considering all of the species that these genera (myrciaria/plinia) have to offer.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 10, 2015, 03:55:53 PM
here is a thread I created a while ago that discusses this subject, and has pics of some of the suspected hybrids I have...

some are definitely mutations or variations....

one thing they all have in common, is Red Jaboticaba blood!

I suppose planting seeds from a hybrid is a good way to get a new variety...they seem to show more variation than a pure species, but still the variation is usually very subtle, and limited.

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=11087 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=11087)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: echinopora on June 10, 2015, 06:02:23 PM
It was definitely all members of the common group. Coronata and Sabara definitely and a few others. I think the red and scarlet already show some of the markers of hybrid vigour (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis)). If you do enough hybrids, especially with distant relatives and you are likely to eventually get a aneuploid. If you could find that 4n hybrid and backcross to a 2n to make a triploid with hybrid vigour, well that would be the jackpot. Imagine a 4n aureana/restinga hybrid crossed back to a red. Precocious, vigourous, seedless. Would take a bit of work naturally, or a little colchicine.....

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 10, 2015, 06:19:39 PM
now them sound like plant breedin' words to me!

 ;D

it's a great idea my friend...unfortunately for me, I can barely keep up with the workload at my nursery.

It was definitely all members of the common group. Coronata and Sabara definitely and a few others. I think the red and scarlet already show some of the markers of hybrid vigour ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis[/url])). If you do enough hybrids, especially with distant relatives and you are likely to eventually get a aneuploid. If you could find that 4n hybrid and backcross to a 2n to make a triploid with hybrid vigour, well that would be the jackpot. Imagine a 4n aureana/restinga hybrid crossed back to a red. Precocious, vigourous, seedless. Would take a bit of work naturally, or a little colchicine.....
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Caesar on June 10, 2015, 06:51:34 PM
Something simpler: Essentially all of my fruits this year have two seeds, a few with three.  I only recall them having one seed the prior few years but my memory on this is not 100% by a long shot.  Adam has previously identified my tree as Sabara.  Is there anything unusual about this?


Maybe they're being pollinated more thoroughly? Miguel's E. calycina used to pop out smaller few-seeded fruits. Since he started hand-pollinating, fruit size and seed-count per fruit has skyrocketed. I'm thinking that's what's going on with your Jabos, but then I'm no expert.

Caesar,

good luck with some of those crosses and techniques you mention...

but my common sense tells me....if such crosses could be done without creating a transgenetic organism, it would have been done already in Brazil!

see if you can find it...I'm assuming it's written in Portuguese?

I bet they used species like, M. cauliflora, M. jaboticaba, M. coronata, M. trunciflora and M. aureana....

I doubt they attempted to hybridize stuff like glazioviana, tenella, cuspidata, dubia, P. edulis.

do you see the point I'm trying to make?

hybridization is not as easy as some might think...when you are considering all of the species that these genera (myrciaria/plinia) have to offer.


I don't know, man. My parent's common sense tells 'em that if exotic fruits were any good, they'd already be well known by now; doesn't mean they're right.  ;)

But in all seriousness, I think you're probably right about some of these being impossible, but it can't hurt to try. I've never considered hybridization to be easy business, and the more divergent your chosen species pair, the harder it is to accomplish successfully. But hard is not synonymous with impossible. Let's say there's a one in a thousand chance that a Cambuçá pollinated by Sabará will bear a seeded fruit; then let's say that for every such fruit, there's a one in a hundred chance that the seed could be viable. Those are very long odds, and impractical for most hybridizers; but for every enthusiast who has the patience and all the time in the world, even the worst such odds are thoroughly worthwhile, because that one viable seed that they got out of too many attempts is enough to prove that it can be done despite long odds. And if it truly can't be done, there's still the satisfaction of knowing you proved it without a doubt, and don't have to wonder about it anymore.

I still don't think it's impossible in the strictest sense, but it's probably difficult enough to make a grown man cry. You could spend years trying without getting a single good result. But if you ever got a good result, you'd be glad you never abandoned the project.

And if you succeeded in hybridizing, but got sterile results, there's always the chance of inducing parthenocarpy to get fruits (though I'll admit I'm not even sure if that's possible to do intentionally). Or maybe colchicine treatment.

here is a thread I created a while ago that discusses this subject, and has pics of some of the suspected hybrids I have...

some are definitely mutations or variations....

one thing they all have in common, is Red Jaboticaba blood!

I suppose planting seeds from a hybrid is a good way to get a new variety...they seem to show more variation than a pure species, but still the variation is usually very subtle, and limited.

[url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=11087[/url] ([url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=11087[/url])


Great thread! I've always been a bit wary on the concept of crossing with prior hybrids. Granted, those are probably the most interesting hybrids you could breed, but it always seemed to me like the more species you add into a cross, the greater the chance of sterility or hybrid failure further down the line.

Personally, I've always had a fondness for the concept of crossing really similar species. As a student of Occam's Razor, I'm not a fan of redundancy (especially on limited land), and similar species often seem redundant to me. Crossing them together eliminates the need to choose. It's almost like having both species despite having only one tree (and without having to resort to cocktail grafts). Under this weird logic, I'd cross (Sabará x Paulista) x Coronata, Aureana x Phitrantha, and (Glazioviana x Guaquiea) x Strigipes. Three trees, eight species involved. It's a win-win!

For varietal development, I'd rather cross differing species. One of the whites with Trunciflora, Grimal x Sabará, and other such combinations. For the wild impossible hybrids, I'd try across group boundaries (any combination of Common group, Blue, Yellow group and Plinia group).

It was definitely all members of the common group. Coronata and Sabara definitely and a few others. I think the red and scarlet already show some of the markers of hybrid vigour ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis[/url])). If you do enough hybrids, especially with distant relatives and you are likely to eventually get a aneuploid. If you could find that 4n hybrid and backcross to a 2n to make a triploid with hybrid vigour, well that would be the jackpot. Imagine a 4n aureana/restinga hybrid crossed back to a red. Precocious, vigourous, seedless. Would take a bit of work naturally, or a little colchicine.....


Now THIS is what I'm talkin' 'bout! That's what I was hoping to see when I posted my query! A little info, incentive, and direction!

now them sound like plant breedin' words to me!

 ;D

it's a great idea my friend...unfortunately for me, I can barely keep up with the workload at my nursery.


I have half a mind to help you out in that department, my friend. But despite my passion for plant breeding, I'm in no position to carry out such experiments. No time, no space, no budget. I'm screwed for the next five years at least. Still, I might try my hand at some passive experimentation with what I have on hand. If anything interesting comes up, I'll be sure to trade seeds with you, assuming you don't beat me to the punch on my chosen combos.  ;D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on June 10, 2015, 07:42:04 PM
Oscar

Of course I know this  ::)

But based on the species and characteristics noted by Caesar, the only way to combine them or harness the charactersitics, would be in a lab...

For instance, cuspidata x grimal

If you are actually considering breeding, you must consider which plants are capable of being hybridized...without genetic modification.



People have already purposefully created hybrids, and they occur naturally more than you might think.

I actually have several trees that I believe are new hybrids (I'm in the process of trying to confirm my suspicion)

Honestly I haven't had time make a worthwhile attempt at creating a new hybrid intentionally...but if you have several species flowering in one place at the same time, eventually you will get a hybrid (but not all species are capable of hybridization ...for instance, you can't cross yellow jabo with cambuca, or sabara with cambuca or yellow...but u could theoretically hybridize guaquiea with strigipes or glazioviana or glomerata ...)

But now we are treading into dangerous territory, where an intense debate can arise...about the genetic modification of myrciarias and plinias.

Selective breeding is totally different than genetic modification. No debate about selective breeding. That has been done by humans for thousands of years.

Maybe you know it Adam, but you'd be surprised how often people, especially pro-GMO people, say that breeding GMO's is no different than the breeding our ancestors have done for thousand of years. This is part of their argument for rationalizing use of GMO's.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 10, 2015, 08:13:18 PM
yes I've noticed this as well Oscar...

but I couldn't disagree more...

selective breeding and hybridizing is fair, GMO is cheating!

Like having a game genie for NES...it takes all the fun out of the game.
 :D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: joaave on July 07, 2015, 11:07:55 AM
my jabuticabas tree...I dont know the Id

(http://s17.postimg.cc/lr3tli3yz/IMG_3259.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/lr3tli3yz/)


(http://s24.postimg.cc/liqd96wqp/IMG_3260.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/liqd96wqp/)

(http://s8.postimg.cc/pbzslsrht/IMG_3261.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/pbzslsrht/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 10, 2015, 08:58:12 PM
update:

here is the strange small leaved sport that I isolated, and grafted!

it's looking really cool still, doing well!

(http://s29.postimg.cc/oaaxgh4sj/IMG_2351.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/oaaxgh4sj/)

(http://s29.postimg.cc/jn4vephfn/IMG_2352.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/jn4vephfn/)

(http://s29.postimg.cc/4d507ilxf/IMG_2353.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4d507ilxf/)

Here is one of the weird looking Myrciarias that sprouted...I thought at first it could be a deficiency or too much of a certain micro-nutrient... but i've noticed the leaves are like none other I've seen...I keep waiting for the plant to grow out of it...maybe the leaf type will change?

For now it makes very small, slender, leaves...with a bit of fuzz on them...which is somewhat unusual.

I'm beginning to suspect that its a seedling of the hybrid (red jaboticaba)...after planting thousands of them, I'm realizing they have more variation than I thought...but you really have to plant thousands to notice.

Next I have to post some pics of the strange trunciflora seedling that sprouted...it's definitely unusual.  Looks like a perfect cross between M. trunciflora and the Red jabo, (M. cauliflora hybrid).  I will post pics of all three trees to show what I'm talking about.


I have got some jabos that I need to post pics of...

I have some peculiar seedlings that popped up...I can't identify them...so it's exciting for now...that is, until the leaves revert back to normal, and I realize what they are!  or maybe I'm lucky...and have a new variety...I think it will be a little of both.

I also have a grafted tree (scions taken from my friends tree) that I can't identify....it reminds me somewhat of truciflora, but the leaves are fuzzy when young...and fuzzy on the undersides when mature...also, I've seen the mother tree flower, and they don't hang from stalks...so it can't be a variety of trunciflora.

I will try to post pics by sunday



([url]http://s28.postimg.cc/vchk54oqh/Picture_834.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/vchk54oqh/[/url])


Ok...here is a short story...with some pictures, of a strange jaboticaba seedling

as you can see in the post above, about 2-3yrs ago I planted a bunch of red jaboticaba seeds, and one of the seeds came up looking very strange, with a compact growth habit, and unique foliage appearance...having small lance shaped leaves...at least 3 x smaller than usual for Red jabo.

well..i took care of that seedling, hoping I would have a new variety...but it's growth was stunted...and it refused to grow at a normal pace...the seedling never did decline, but eventually it started to grow an extremely vigorous sucker from the base....being that it was the only real growth i had seen, I did not stop the sucker from growing....

it turned out that the sucker put out normal foliage, and the original, small strange looking seedling remained....stunted, and peculiar looking...now at least 5x smaller than the normal looking sucker that outgrew it.

so....i thought to myself...maybe this is a sport? I'll try to graft it, and see if it keeps the strange foliage, and growth habit!

here is the result of my experiment so far:


([url]http://s9.postimg.cc/uj2eq7g2z/IMG_1970.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/uj2eq7g2z/[/url])

([url]http://s9.postimg.cc/p6dkc2s6j/IMG_1971.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/p6dkc2s6j/[/url])


(it's hard to tell at this stage, but looks like it will keep its strange characteristics!  and has started to grow vigorously now that it's on sabara roots!)

i'm wondering if this branch was just diseased by a virus? or something that made it grow deformed leaves??  i think I've seen this happen before??  but very rarely...

let's see if this is something special, and if I can capture the magic!  ;D


Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AlexRF on July 11, 2015, 03:56:39 AM
Subarctic Jaboticaba fruit, two weeks ago:

(http://s24.postimg.cc/l5kbi7tz5/053.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/l5kbi7tz5/)

This fruit today:

(http://s21.postimg.cc/ablnvfw2b/055.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ablnvfw2b/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 11, 2015, 09:33:02 AM
Alex,

that is so cool!!

i notice the dried flower stays at the tip of your fruit for much longer than mine ( I suppose because you're growing the plant indoors?)

how are you maintaining proper humidity?

(are you doing anything to increase humidity?)

the longer you let the fruit sit on the tree (up until it starts to look wrinkled, which is too far in some cases), the better they taste!!

(after they turn fully red, let them sit for over 10-12 days if possible)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AlexRF on July 11, 2015, 01:16:40 PM
Yes, this plant grows indoor all time. I use a 4 liter humidifier nearby.
This fruit never was fully red, turn fast ffom green to fully dark.
Mayby it isnt Escarlate?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 11, 2015, 01:57:59 PM
Yes, this plant grows indoor all time. I use a 4 liter humidifier nearby.
This fruit never was fully red, turn fast ffom green to fully dark.
Mayby it isnt Escarlate?

so you purchased the tree as escarlate? not Hibrida or Precoce (red jabo)?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AlexRF on July 11, 2015, 03:55:09 PM
Yes, this plant grows indoor all time. I use a 4 liter humidifier nearby.
This fruit never was fully red, turn fast ffom green to fully dark.
Mayby it isnt Escarlate?

so you purchased the tree as escarlate? not Hibrida or Precoce (red jabo)?

purchased as simply M. cauliflora
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 11, 2015, 04:05:26 PM
it must be precoce, hibrida, what I call RED JABOTICABA (M. cauliflora x aureana)

probably the wisest choice a grower can make when deciding to grow a rare tropical fruit indoors, or out of the proper zone.

I need more people like you on the forum,  because you give my customers no excuse not to buy some seeds, or some plants  :P

if you can fruit these indoors, that means people can fruit them anywhere in the world!

I sincerely congratulate you!  Job well done!

you will be rewarded with more fruit each year (the crop size increases substantially)

Yes, this plant grows indoor all time. I use a 4 liter humidifier nearby.
This fruit never was fully red, turn fast ffom green to fully dark.
Mayby it isnt Escarlate?

so you purchased the tree as escarlate? not Hibrida or Precoce (red jabo)?

purchased as simply M. cauliflora
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: xshen on July 11, 2015, 09:18:40 PM
it must be precoce, hibrida, what I call RED JABOTICABA (M. cauliflora x aureana)

probably the wisest choice a grower can make when deciding to grow a rare tropical fruit indoors, or out of the proper zone.

I need more people like you on the forum,  because you give my customers no excuse not to buy some seeds, or some plants  :P

if you can fruit these indoors, that means people can fruit them anywhere in the world!

I sincerely congratulate you!  Job well done!

you will be rewarded with more fruit each year (the crop size increases substantially)

Yes, this plant grows indoor all time. I use a 4 liter humidifier nearby.
This fruit never was fully red, turn fast ffom green to fully dark.
Mayby it isnt Escarlate?

so you purchased the tree as escarlate? not Hibrida or Precoce (red jabo)?

purchased as simply M. cauliflora


Adam is not kidding when he says your crop will increase substantially!  My container red hybrid jabo fruited earlier this year and gave 2 fruits.  It flowered again last month and There are about 2 dozens of fruit ready to be picked.  It just finished flowering again with a few dozens of bb size fruits!!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AlexRF on July 12, 2015, 02:10:18 AM
Adam, xchen, all friends,
some advices about proper soil mix and fertilizing? Partial or full sun? Hign humidity all time or just in fruiting periods?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AlexRF on July 12, 2015, 02:14:08 AM
What are the main causes of brown leaves tips?
Probably answers was given earlier on the Forum but repeat it please...  :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AlexRF on July 16, 2015, 03:45:58 AM
Friends,
probably you missed my questions. Please look previous posts.

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 16, 2015, 09:06:36 AM
Syzygium cumini

Sorry no syzygiums allowed in JA.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AlexRF on July 16, 2015, 09:59:41 AM
Thanks Adam! I deleted "alien" Syzygium image.

We need sandy soil mix for Jaboticaba or not?
Why it has brown leaves tips all almost time?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 16, 2015, 10:09:36 AM
Thanks Adam! I deleted "alien" Syzygium image.

We need sandy soil mix for Jaboticaba or not?
Why it has brown leaves tips all almost time?

sounds like lack of humidity. (sandy soil is not a requisite).

can be several factors though, sometimes water quality can do this too.

some trees are more sensitive than others (trunciflora is one of the worst, always seems to have this problem no matter what)

it is not a big deal, as long as new growth emerges in healthy condition.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Ataman on July 17, 2015, 11:47:37 AM
Alex!
I have the same problem. You irrigate with city water? If yes, you must forget it. I used
earlier pure city water, but it didn't work. Always had chlorosis problem with my plants (citrus trees and coffee was the worst)  So, i used for few years  "managed" city water. I'll tell you how i make it. First leave the water stand for a day. The chlorine is removed. Second I use vinegar essence for pickling. For 10 liter of water 1 teaspoon vinegar essence. From ph 7,5 to pH 6,8 decreases. And I use always a small amount of general fertilizer + small amount chelated Fe.
I know rainwater would be the best, but unfortunately there is no chance. I almost forgot: if you can't use vinegar essence, you can substitute citric acid. In this case for 10 liter of water 10 gramm citric acid.
This method worked my citrus trees and another acid soil loving plants(coffee, orangeberry)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AlexRF on July 17, 2015, 03:15:44 PM
My greenhose in vacation home and I used artesian well, no chlorine.
Anyway thanks for very useful expirience!
Suspect the bad soil aeration lead to problems too...
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 17, 2015, 03:33:27 PM
My greenhose in vacation home and I used artesian well, no chlorine.
Anyway thanks for very useful expirience!
Suspect the bad soil aeration lead to problems too...

I'm willing to bet lack of humidity is the cause, (what is the relative humidity in your growing area?)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AlexRF on July 18, 2015, 01:28:17 AM
My greenhose in vacation home and I used artesian well, no chlorine.
Anyway thanks for very useful expirience!
Suspect the bad soil aeration lead to problems too...

I'm willing to bet lack of humidity is the cause, (what is the relative humidity in your growing area?)
In this part of greenhouse 65-70% on the average. When humidifier works - 75-80%. Not enough?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 18, 2015, 10:47:53 AM
I'm not sure what is too low for relative humidity...my trees are always kept at about 80% or higher.

I would try to increase the humidity to see if it helps.

if not, it could still be a water quality issue (even well water can have dissolved minerals or salt, that can burn leaf tips)

My greenhose in vacation home and I used artesian well, no chlorine.
Anyway thanks for very useful expirience!
Suspect the bad soil aeration lead to problems too...

I'm willing to bet lack of humidity is the cause, (what is the relative humidity in your growing area?)
In this part of greenhouse 65-70% on the average. When humidifier works - 75-80%. Not enough?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: xshen on July 20, 2015, 01:03:53 PM
My sabara in 25gal container has been suffering from iron deficiency.  Has anyone ever used ironite mineral supplement on jabos?  I added a few teaspoons into the 25gal pot.

There were a lot of controversies in the early 2000 regarding ironite's arsenic and lead levels.  Does anyone know if the ironite mineral supplement contains the same level of arsenic and lead in their new product?  I can't find any reviews on it.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AlexRF on July 20, 2015, 02:33:04 PM
My water includs some iron and manganese, but Jaboticaba has been still suffering.
I suppose at first heavy soil with not good aeration.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on July 21, 2015, 03:32:27 AM
My sabaras are fruiting again and it is mid winter although the dry season hasn't really started. The flying foxes have been screeching away in the last 2 evenings.I strolled out the front of my house last night and a flying fox burst out just brushing me.It makes you jump as they must have a wing span over 3 feet.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on July 21, 2015, 04:46:19 AM
My sabaras are fruiting again and it is mid winter although the dry season hasn't really started. The flying foxes have been screeching away in the last 2 evenings.I strolled out the front of my house last night and a flying fox burst out just brushing me.It makes you jump as they must have a wing span over 3 feet.
How about a photo for Wildlife on my Trees thread?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on July 21, 2015, 04:54:21 AM
Gotta get a new camera Oscar as I am reduced to taking pictures with this IPad at the moment.It can't focus in the dark.Years ago I took a picture of a striped possum on Peter Salleras rambutans and the shots were used all over the place. The same with a fig parrot eating figs.I used to make good money out of nature photography but only take a few snaps these days.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: sanitarium on July 21, 2015, 05:00:34 AM
My greenhose in vacation home and I used artesian well, no chlorine.
Anyway thanks for very useful expirience!
Suspect the bad soil aeration lead to problems too...

I'm willing to bet lack of humidity is the cause, (what is the relative humidity in your growing area?)
In this part of greenhouse 65-70% on the average. When humidifier works - 75-80%. Not enough?

for sure it is not a humidity.. here we have average relative humidity at 66 percent and no brown tips on jaboticabas. I would bet it is fertilizer or better, excessive mineral build up in the soil.   
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 21, 2015, 02:30:29 PM
My greenhose in vacation home and I used artesian well, no chlorine.
Anyway thanks for very useful expirience!
Suspect the bad soil aeration lead to problems too...


I'm willing to bet lack of humidity is the cause, (what is the relative humidity in your growing area?)
In this part of greenhouse 65-70% on the average. When humidifier works - 75-80%. Not enough?

for sure it is not a humidity.. here we have average relative humidity at 66 percent and no brown tips on jaboticabas. I would bet it is fertilizer or better, excessive mineral build up in the soil.   

thank you for the info Sanitarium!

I agree with you...my second theory is more likely...minerals in the well water are probably the cause.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AlexRF on July 21, 2015, 08:25:34 PM
Alex!
I have the same problem. You irrigate with city water? If yes, you must forget it. I used
earlier pure city water, but it didn't work. Always had chlorosis problem with my plants (citrus trees and coffee was the worst)  So, i used for few years  "managed" city water. I'll tell you how i make it. First leave the water stand for a day. The chlorine is removed. Second I use vinegar essence for pickling. For 10 liter of water 1 teaspoon vinegar essence. From ph 7,5 to pH 6,8 decreases. And I use always a small amount of general fertilizer + small amount chelated Fe.
I know rainwater would be the best, but unfortunately there is no chance. I almost forgot: if you can't use vinegar essence, you can substitute citric acid. In this case for 10 liter of water 10 gramm citric acid.
This method worked my citrus trees and another acid soil loving plants(coffee, orangeberry)

Thanks Ataman!
Jaboticaba really so like acid soil?
Anybody else has such experience with vinegar essence or other acidifiers?

Adam,
I didnt say, that reduce minrerals in the water by filter system. Maybe not enough...
I can take water from nearest spring.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 21, 2015, 08:28:22 PM
Alex I'm curious to know what type of fertilizer do you apply ? how much? how often?

yes most myrciarias appreciate a pH of about 6.5 or lower (down to 4.8 or lower for some I believe!  like camu camu)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on July 22, 2015, 03:37:32 AM
My sabaras are like machines with multiple fruitings a year with minimal fertilizer and a pH of 6.0.No wonder the flying foxes have them as first port to stop over each evening.
(http://s27.postimg.cc/wjp08morj/20150722_165450.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wjp08morj/)
You can't get enough in the frame to show fruit volume.
I hope the f ' ing foxes don't work the grimal over next.
(http://s1.postimg.cc/kvzhh2fq3/20150722_165542.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/kvzhh2fq3/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on July 22, 2015, 03:49:34 AM
Gotta get a new camera Oscar as I am reduced to taking pictures with this IPad at the moment.It can't focus in the dark.Years ago I took a picture of a striped possum on Peter Salleras rambutans and the shots were used all over the place. The same with a fig parrot eating figs.I used to make good money out of nature photography but only take a few snaps these days.

Do it for Adam, please! I'm sure he'd love to post a photo on his Flying Fox website of the real flying foxes demolishing his favorite fruit?  ;) Would that be good or bad for business?  ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 22, 2015, 11:08:44 AM
Mike...

I'm willing to pay for a good pic!

make it happen!

(I will honestly write a review of Jim Jefferies routine if that's what it takes!)

I'd go fruit bat shit crazy for a pic of a flying fox feeding on a fruiting Jabracadabra!

Gotta get a new camera Oscar as I am reduced to taking pictures with this IPad at the moment.It can't focus in the dark.Years ago I took a picture of a striped possum on Peter Salleras rambutans and the shots were used all over the place. The same with a fig parrot eating figs.I used to make good money out of nature photography but only take a few snaps these days.

Do it for Adam, please! I'm sure he'd love to post a photo on his Flying Fox website of the real flying foxes demolishing his favorite fruit?  ;) Would that be good or bad for business?  ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on July 22, 2015, 05:53:38 PM
OK I'll try tonight.They are all the one species, the spectacled flying fox which is the dominant rainforest type in my area.They are really big and boldly marled with yellow spectacles and nape.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 22, 2015, 05:57:56 PM
OK I'll try tonight.They are all the one species, the spectacled flying fox which is the dominant rainforest type in my area.They are really big and boldly marled with yellow spectacles and nape.

if you honestly are trying, I'm going to watch Mr. Jefferies tonight...with an open mind (as far as comedy is concerned...not politics...lol)

and if you get a decent pic, I will insist that you let me compensate you monetarily for your efforts!  (hope you have paypal, and hope you get a few good photos!!)

I appreciate you making an attempt, I owe you a favor now regardless.

 :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on July 22, 2015, 06:00:12 PM
http://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/cairns/bats-earn-permanent-home-in-cairns-cbd-after-council-backflip/story-fnjpusyw-1227453077384 (http://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/cairns/bats-earn-permanent-home-in-cairns-cbd-after-council-backflip/story-fnjpusyw-1227453077384)

The bats cause many battles in my home town such as this in today's local rag.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on July 22, 2015, 06:15:19 PM
[url]http://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/cairns/bats-earn-permanent-home-in-cairns-cbd-after-council-backflip/story-fnjpusyw-1227453077384[/url] ([url]http://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/cairns/bats-earn-permanent-home-in-cairns-cbd-after-council-backflip/story-fnjpusyw-1227453077384[/url])

The bats cause many battles in my home town such as this in today's local rag.


All very funny! I'm sure that in Florida everyone would be taking shots at these bats. Second ammendment and roaming fruit predatory wildlife don't mix very well. Floridians certainly aren't very tolerant of squirrels, with rallying cry of: "Death to all squirrels". So what do you think would happen if these bats that Adam so desperately wants a photo of appeared in Florida?  ;) Bat soup anyone?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 22, 2015, 06:26:01 PM
being that i'm a FL fruit grower I think they're cute and furry!

but I'm sure I'd have a different outlook if I was from Oz!

it's interesting to see how different cultures regard bats:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat#Bats_in_human_culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat#Bats_in_human_culture)



[url]http://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/cairns/bats-earn-permanent-home-in-cairns-cbd-after-council-backflip/story-fnjpusyw-1227453077384[/url] ([url]http://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/cairns/bats-earn-permanent-home-in-cairns-cbd-after-council-backflip/story-fnjpusyw-1227453077384[/url])

The bats cause many battles in my home town such as this in today's local rag.


All very funny! I'm sure that in Florida everyone would be taking shots at these bats. Second ammendment and roaming fruit predatory wildlife don't mix very well. Floridians certainly aren't very tolerant of squirrels, with rallying cry of: "Death to all squirrels". So what do you think would happen if these bats that Adam so desperately wants a photo of appeared in Florida?  ;) Bat soup anyone?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on July 22, 2015, 06:57:40 PM
There are dozens of types of microbats here but the flying foxes get all the attention because they are big and in your face, and in your garden every night.Tube nosed fruit bats and ghost bats are spectacular but no one knows what they look like and to most locals bats are just flying foxes.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 22, 2015, 07:11:05 PM
There are dozens of types of microbats here but the flying foxes get all the attention because they are big and in your face, and in your garden every night.Tube nosed fruit bats and ghost bats are spectacular but no one knows what they look like and to most locals bats are just flying foxes.

well...you could say they are addicted to tropical fruit...so I guess I have much in common with the flying fox.

and one of their jobs is to pick fruits, and disperse seeds!  they deliver seeds all around, and help to plant forests!

and make shrill noises, and crap on peoples heads!  :P

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fruitlovers on July 22, 2015, 09:40:27 PM
being that i'm a FL fruit grower I think they're cute and furry!

but I'm sure I'd have a different outlook if I was from Oz!

it's interesting to see how different cultures regard bats:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat#Bats_in_human_culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat#Bats_in_human_culture)


Do you have squirrels in Australia? If not i'm sure everyone there would think they're cute and furry, maybe even put them on their nursery logo.  ;)
BTW we have one species of bat here, the hoary bat, but very rarely seen.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on July 23, 2015, 12:41:05 AM
No squirrels here but there are kinda marsupial equaivalents.I think that hoary bats are here as well, but there is a big diversity in all sizes and Families.There is a great deal of ambivalence about flying foxes which are really flying primates unlike the microbats that are insectivores.People raise baby F'ing Foxes from injured mothers quite often.They are very common locally but declining nationally.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on July 24, 2015, 03:02:23 AM
Couldn't get a picture of flying foxes on the sabaras and there are loads more to eat still.

(http://s9.postimg.cc/4dgrf71l7/20150724_165533.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4dgrf71l7/)
This is a small part of one tree.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on July 24, 2015, 10:44:06 AM
Just beautiful pic of your loaded Jabo thanks for posting ;) 8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on July 26, 2015, 01:11:46 AM

(http://s28.postimg.cc/t7xlc1khl/20150726_150137.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/t7xlc1khl/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/9nb2huldp/20150726_145821.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9nb2huldp/)

(http://s8.postimg.cc/7acinm7td/20150726_150259.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7acinm7td/)
I could fill buckets with all the ripe sabaras on the trees at the moment but the grimal is having a sparse fruiting.It still has flower buds so I expect a grimal follow up crop.Visitors of mine can't make a dent in the jaboticaba volume at the moment.
In the taste test the grimals are a little better and the larger fruit helps.Although the grimal fruit are larger the seeds are smaller so that is a positive as well.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on July 26, 2015, 10:51:24 AM
Do you have a hedge going of many Jabo's or what? ;D 8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TheDom on August 01, 2015, 10:23:42 AM
Got a whole bunch of red jabo seedlings popping up from the FlyingFoxFruits fruit sale. Last time I sprouted red jabo all three of them died once I took the cover off of the seed tray for a few days. This time I'm trying keeping them sheltered a little longer till they're a little hardier.

(http://s18.postimg.cc/qezvvggc5/IMG_20150801_101514.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qezvvggc5/)

(http://s8.postimg.cc/6hrswb6s1/IMG_20150801_101708.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6hrswb6s1/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on August 01, 2015, 12:51:06 PM
looks good Dom.

btw, the dome is not necessary...as long as they are watered daily and kept in the shade, they should be fine!

(but I do like your dome idea, it works out perfect, with the lid acting as a dish.)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TheDom on August 01, 2015, 05:25:18 PM
looks good Dom.

btw, the dome is not necessary...as long as they are watered daily and kept in the shade, they should be fine!

(but I do like your dome idea, it works out perfect, with the lid acting as a dish.)

Maybe those ones I started before were wimpy, or the morning sun on the east side of our porch was too much for them early on. Either way, I figured they were protected enough, but I guess not. I figure with as expensive as these was ew usually are it's worth the $5 I spent on the dome to baby them up for a little bit.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: raimeiken on August 06, 2015, 06:09:12 PM
Hey Adam, I've read before that you use the Espoma holly tone on your fruit trees. I couldn't find the holly tone locally here but I grabbed a bag of the citrus tone (which is about the same but has less sulfur in it). How much and how often would you recommend on a Jaboticaba planted in ground that's about 4-5ft tall? The recommended amount on the back of the bag sounds too much, and I know these trees are sensitive to fertilizers.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on August 06, 2015, 10:55:30 PM
Hey Adam, I've read before that you use the Espoma holly tone on your fruit trees. I couldn't find the holly tone locally here but I grabbed a bag of the citrus tone (which is about the same but has less sulfur in it). How much and how often would you recommend on a Jaboticaba planted in ground that's about 4-5ft tall? The recommended amount on the back of the bag sounds too much, and I know these trees are sensitive to fertilizers.
citrus tone is great (almost any of the espoma products will work fine...tomato tone, rose tone, plant tone, garden tone, etc...)

for an in ground plant about 4-5 ft tall...i'd throw out about 4 decent sized handfuls, maybe 3-4 times per year....

I guess you could apply less if you wanted to play it safe!

they don't really need a lot of nitrogen.

I always use about half of what the bag recommends to save money, and to be safe!  ;D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: raimeiken on August 07, 2015, 01:48:24 PM
Thanks Adam  :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: AlexRF on August 13, 2015, 02:17:54 PM
Alex!
I have the same problem. You irrigate with city water? If yes, you must forget it. I used
earlier pure city water, but it didn't work. Always had chlorosis problem with my plants (citrus trees and coffee was the worst)  So, i used for few years  "managed" city water. I'll tell you how i make it. First leave the water stand for a day. The chlorine is removed. Second I use vinegar essence for pickling. For 10 liter of water 1 teaspoon vinegar essence. From ph 7,5 to pH 6,8 decreases. And I use always a small amount of general fertilizer + small amount chelated Fe.
I know rainwater would be the best, but unfortunately there is no chance. I almost forgot: if you can't use vinegar essence, you can substitute citric acid. In this case for 10 liter of water 10 gramm citric acid.
This method worked my citrus trees and another acid soil loving plants(coffee, orangeberry)

It seems Ataman and Adam was right...
My water from well has too much mineral salts even after filtering. I changed watering of my Jaboticaba on rain water and replaced the 10 cm topsoil on acidic light forest soil.  As result new leaves grows fast and healthy. Moreover it began bloom again and set new fruits.

My first flowering in February probably was induced by powerful LED 50 W lamp (equal 450 W regular lamp). This LED lamp gave supplementary lighting in our dark winter days and stand wery close (1 -1.5 ft) to Jaboticaba trunk. The first flower buds appeared stright opposite the lamp.
Also could act infrared radiation from the lamp.
Just a guess... :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on August 13, 2015, 03:42:14 PM
Alex,

thanks for letting me know it was due to the water quality.

congratulations on your fruits setting!

each year the production should increase more and more!

the tree can fruit almost any time of the year!

seems like the largest crops are in Spring, Fall, and Winter....during the hottest part of the year (late summer/fall) they take a break.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: John Travis on August 18, 2015, 07:21:31 PM
Hello All,

This thread is fantastic.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on August 31, 2015, 11:54:33 AM
To the Jaboticabaholics: In august, 28, Helton published news about the brown :o jaboticaba:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pt&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=pt-BR&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.colecionandofrutas.org%2Fpliniamarqueteana.htm&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pt&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=pt-BR&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.colecionandofrutas.org%2Fpliniamarqueteana.htm&edit-text=)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on August 31, 2015, 05:43:52 PM
thanks for the update Cassio!

looks like the pulp is nice and thick, kind of like M. vexator...maybe it's an illusion though.

To the Jaboticabaholics: In august, 28, Helton published news about the brown :o jaboticaba:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pt&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=pt-BR&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.colecionandofrutas.org%2Fpliniamarqueteana.htm&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pt&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=pt-BR&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.colecionandofrutas.org%2Fpliniamarqueteana.htm&edit-text=)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: greenman62 on September 02, 2015, 12:25:21 PM

Thought i would post mine.
Here is the red i got from Adam a few months ago.
When i first got it, i must have given it full sun (almost) right away
i guess it didnt liek that, burned a few leaves, but now i water it everyday, and its looking fine.
next to... Lychee, Cherimoya, black sapote, mimosa, papaya...
July 31
(http://s2.postimg.cc/3wdvxlt1x/red_jabo_cheri_lychee_mimosa.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3wdvxlt1x/)

June 13
(http://s28.postimg.cc/lez4etovt/red_jabo.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/lez4etovt/)

Here is the one i got from PIN (Cauliflora/Sabra)
the 5 gallon bucket next to   it is a Baobob
(excellent fresh leaves for salads,, cooking etc...)
(http://s13.postimg.cc/gj8mt129f/jabo_larg.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/gj8mt129f/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on September 02, 2015, 01:09:25 PM
all your plants look great Brad, thanks for sharing.

btw, the tree you have labeled as Sabara from PIN is actually another Red jaboticaba!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: simon_grow on September 04, 2015, 01:21:21 AM
Hey Adam, how difficult is it to air layer Jaboticaba? I have access to a large tree that needs pruning and I would like to take some large air layers but can't find much information on the subject except that it is difficult and can take up to a year. Do you have any tricks that might increase my chances? Thanks,

Simon
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on September 04, 2015, 04:01:56 PM
I have access to a large tree that needs pruning and I would like to take some large air layers but can't find much information on the subject except that it is difficult and can take up to a year.
Simon

Simon, I Never tryed it for myself, but I did hear exactly this: air layers are difficult.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on September 04, 2015, 04:05:33 PM
Hey Adam, how difficult is it to air layer Jaboticaba? I have access to a large tree that needs pruning and I would like to take some large air layers but can't find much information on the subject except that it is difficult and can take up to a year. Do you have any tricks that might increase my chances? Thanks,

Simon

I know it's possible, but for me it was difficult.

i tried on Sabara, Red, trunciflora, and cambuca.

i could only get nodules to form, but no real roots...this took over 4 months, and something would invariably happen to the marcot...whether it was rats, birds, raccoons, or ants, the plastic seal around the ball of sphagnum peat would always get damaged in the end, and as a result, the moisture levels were not consistent...either too dry or too wet.

i think the trick is using the right medium.  I saw a man in Brazil who used red clay (the native soil), and cotton as a medium...he claimed to get decent results.

also the right cocktail of hormones may be helpful...i just used whatever I had on hand...it was something like K-L-N from Dynagrow
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TheDom on September 08, 2015, 07:27:14 PM
I potted up 70 red jaboticaba seedlings today, and after dividing will have at least another 19. I didn't realize the seeds were polyembryonic until I was seeing 3-5 shoots and taproots coming from a couple of the larger seeds. A friend said he had good luck dividing them so I figured I might as well try. I split the largest one off of the seed, and for the smaller ones tried to leave some of the seed attached to them as possible.
(http://s21.postimg.cc/sw3d7rk3n/IMG_20150908_180746.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/sw3d7rk3n/) 3 plants, one seed.


(http://s18.postimg.cc/oyq2e7t2d/IMG_20150908_191240.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/oyq2e7t2d/) Lots o' pots full of future stuff to push on the neighborhood kids.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on September 19, 2015, 06:37:21 PM
it's not a bad time of the year for a jaboticabaholic like myself.

plenty of choices to make:

Grimal Jaboticaba (myrciaria sp.)
(http://s24.postimg.cc/jstpg5qpd/IMG_2804.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/jstpg5qpd/)
(http://s14.postimg.cc/wdd8m8al9/IMG_2806.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wdd8m8al9/)
Blue Jaboticaba (myrciaria vexator)
(http://s14.postimg.cc/hg4rl7xct/IMG_4805_JPG.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/hg4rl7xct/)
Red Jaboticaba (myrciaria cauliflora hybrid)
(http://s7.postimg.cc/nb5e4107b/IMG_2803.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/nb5e4107b/)
White Jaboticaba (myrciaria aureana)
(http://s14.postimg.cc/go23m0t5p/IMG_2802.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/go23m0t5p/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kyo12315k on October 01, 2015, 06:14:00 AM
 :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kyo12315k on October 01, 2015, 06:36:28 AM
Cambuca grafted on the sabara,growth is very strong.
And early flowering~~

(http://s22.postimg.cc/59zr8087h/12047292_10203226201014893_800004711_n.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/59zr8087h/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/v2zm4d6dp/12064081_10203226201214898_1082319237_n.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/v2zm4d6dp/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/o11oi62rx/12081561_10203226200774887_906374895_n.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/o11oi62rx/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 01, 2015, 09:00:55 AM
Great pics!

Congrats

I wasn't able to graft cambuca onto sabara...I gave up after several failures.  I was only able to graft cambuca onto trunciflora.


Cambuca grafted on the sabara,growth is very strong.
And early flowering~~

([url]http://s22.postimg.cc/59zr8087h/12047292_10203226201014893_800004711_n.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/59zr8087h/[/url])

([url]http://s22.postimg.cc/v2zm4d6dp/12064081_10203226201214898_1082319237_n.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/v2zm4d6dp/[/url])

([url]http://s22.postimg.cc/o11oi62rx/12081561_10203226200774887_906374895_n.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/o11oi62rx/[/url])
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TheDom on October 01, 2015, 11:16:43 AM
([url]http://s8.postimg.cc/ivofvq6z5/12071556_10203226116052769_1486011030_n_1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/ivofvq6z5/[/url])


Just be planting ten months.
common red jabu hybrid



Are you saying this is a 10 month old seedling that's holding a fruit? That's gotta be some sort of record if so.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kyo12315k on October 01, 2015, 11:55:05 AM
([url]http://s8.postimg.cc/ivofvq6z5/12071556_10203226116052769_1486011030_n_1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/ivofvq6z5/[/url])


Just be planting ten months.
common red jabu hybrid



Are you saying this is a 10 month old seedling that's holding a fruit? That's gotta be some sort of record if so.


Yes, from small seedlings(about 10cm) planting to flowering fruits of about ten months
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kyo12315k on October 01, 2015, 11:58:04 AM
([url]http://s8.postimg.cc/ivofvq6z5/12071556_10203226116052769_1486011030_n_1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/ivofvq6z5/[/url])


Just be planting ten months.
common red jabu hybrid



Are you saying this is a 10 month old seedling that's holding a fruit? That's gotta be some sort of record if so.


Yes, from small seedlings(about 8-10cm) planting to flowering fruits of about ten months
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 01, 2015, 12:46:30 PM
wow i thought that tree was a rooted cutting, it's much more spectacular if that is a seedling tree!


I wonder how many seedlings you had to plant before you found this extra precocious specimen?!

thanks for sharing this earthshaking discovery!

time to rewrite the textbooks.

([url]http://s8.postimg.cc/ivofvq6z5/12071556_10203226116052769_1486011030_n_1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/ivofvq6z5/[/url])


Just be planting ten months.
common red jabu hybrid



Are you saying this is a 10 month old seedling that's holding a fruit? That's gotta be some sort of record if so.


Yes, from small seedlings(about 10cm) planting to flowering fruits of about ten months
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on October 01, 2015, 05:44:14 PM
([url]http://s8.postimg.cc/entnmz5jl/12063950_10203226115972767_464188135_n.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/entnmz5jl/[/url])

([url]http://s8.postimg.cc/ivofvq6z5/12071556_10203226116052769_1486011030_n_1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/ivofvq6z5/[/url])


Just be planting ten months.
common red jabu hybrid

red jabu cuttings
([url]http://s13.postimg.cc/qv5iultgz/12047746_10203226152293675_954784522_n.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/qv5iultgz/[/url])


vexator cuttings
([url]http://s4.postimg.cc/whg77h0kp/12086889_10203226152373677_1574834356_n.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/whg77h0kp/[/url])


wow, great! how did you made it? I think you need a shaded, humid, and hot place
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Joshua on October 01, 2015, 07:46:14 PM
Ok so could someone provide a brief introduction on how I will tell the differences between the varieties and or species.

example I know of the small leaf,, large leaf and yellow species only so far
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kyo12315k on October 01, 2015, 10:43:24 PM
Grafted into sabara first anniversary.
Terrible growth. Than seedling by seed

(http://s28.postimg.cc/psn5ye3ft/IMAG1571.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/psn5ye3ft/)

(http://s28.postimg.cc/hymkczvmx/IMAG1572.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/hymkczvmx/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kyo12315k on October 01, 2015, 10:51:43 PM
My grafting techniques.The specie is Escarlate.
i have about 10,000 graft seedlings

(http://s21.postimg.cc/pn6jgeo2r/IMAG1573.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/pn6jgeo2r/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 01, 2015, 11:04:21 PM
cool pics thanks for sharing!!!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on October 02, 2015, 07:06:34 AM
Cambuca grafted on the sabara,growth is very strong.
And early flowering~~

([url]http://s22.postimg.cc/59zr8087h/12047292_10203226201014893_800004711_n.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/59zr8087h/[/url])

([url]http://s22.postimg.cc/v2zm4d6dp/12064081_10203226201214898_1082319237_n.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/v2zm4d6dp/[/url])

([url]http://s22.postimg.cc/o11oi62rx/12081561_10203226200774887_906374895_n.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/o11oi62rx/[/url])

Uau!!! Looks excellent! You´re the first I see that got success grafting a cambuca over a jabuticaba. And is very good to know it.
I did a graft like this too (but with a thin branch, more like a cocktail tree), but no new leafs until now. Anyway, you gave me hope!  8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kyo12315k on October 02, 2015, 10:28:09 AM
Cambuca grafted on the sabara,growth is very strong.
And early flowering~~

([url]http://s22.postimg.cc/59zr8087h/12047292_10203226201014893_800004711_n.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/59zr8087h/[/url])

([url]http://s22.postimg.cc/v2zm4d6dp/12064081_10203226201214898_1082319237_n.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/v2zm4d6dp/[/url])

([url]http://s22.postimg.cc/o11oi62rx/12081561_10203226200774887_906374895_n.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/o11oi62rx/[/url])

Uau!!! Looks excellent! You´re the first I see that got success grafting a cambuca over a jabuticaba. And is very good to know it.
I did a graft like this too (but with a thin branch, more like a cocktail tree), but no new leafs until now. Anyway, you gave me hope!  8)


Good luck to your trees ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: xshen on October 02, 2015, 03:36:27 PM
My grafting techniques.The specie is Escarlate.
i have about 10,000 graft seedlings

([url]http://s21.postimg.cc/pn6jgeo2r/IMAG1573.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/pn6jgeo2r/[/url])


I've grafted toothpick size scions but haven't tried anything as small as yours. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 02, 2015, 03:52:00 PM
My grafting techniques.The specie is Escarlate.
i have about 10,000 graft seedlings

([url]http://s21.postimg.cc/pn6jgeo2r/IMAG1573.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/pn6jgeo2r/[/url])


I've grafted toothpick size scions but haven't tried anything as small as yours. Thanks for sharing.


I believe the method used in this photo was a chip bud...i have done this before several times, it's very easy.

the small sprout emerged from the chip that's beneath the red tape.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 02, 2015, 04:31:56 PM
My beefness, Adam. That's pretty slick cowboy.

That's some serious skills  there. Have you grafted anything this small before?


Smaller u say?

Well..technically the cuts are larger, but the scion may be less massive...here's a tiny patch graft I did on a M.jaboticaba, where I slapped on some Red jabo budwood.  It's taken nicely, and even shed the bark somewhat, leaving a cool pattern!



([url]http://s12.postimage.org/gv1jg9v6h/06_10_12_009.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/image/gv1jg9v6h/[/url])

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Delvi83 on October 02, 2015, 05:08:38 PM
As I saw, many of you grow it in pot....and it seems that this specie likes the pot (seem old plant and they bear fruit) !!! I will try....
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on October 02, 2015, 08:39:28 PM
Here they are. My two grafts of cambucá over (the same) jabuticaba tree. :)

(http://s4.postimg.cc/kiq16yzpl/20150919_175720_resized.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/kiq16yzpl/)

(http://s7.postimg.cc/u12rdnx07/20150919_175647_resized.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/u12rdnx07/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kyo12315k on October 02, 2015, 11:14:09 PM
Here they are. My two grafts of cambucá over (the same) jabuticaba tree. :)

([url]http://s4.postimg.cc/kiq16yzpl/20150919_175720_resized.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/kiq16yzpl/[/url])

([url]http://s7.postimg.cc/u12rdnx07/20150919_175647_resized.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/u12rdnx07/[/url])


cambuca grafting,Thicker Shoots higher failure rate.
Choose a short and tender Shoots, the success rate will increase
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kyo12315k on October 02, 2015, 11:28:04 PM
In China, many people have taken cuttings propagation.
Quantity terrible, cambuca is one hundred thousand breeding.
In my country, the common red jabuticaba reproduction is one million seedlings a year.
Very, very large Quantity.



Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kyo12315k on October 02, 2015, 11:34:34 PM
 :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 02, 2015, 11:51:15 PM
kyo12315k

Thanks for sharing the pics and info!

Do you know of any new varieties, mutations, or hybrids that have been created or selected in China?

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: kyo12315k on October 03, 2015, 04:37:27 AM
I do not know what species, but I know are coming from Taiwan.
Common hybrid (red jabuticaba), here the number has more than five hundred thousand seedlings or more.

But still it has sabara most common.



(http://s29.postimg.cc/yvgziipr7/1443860940157.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/yvgziipr7/)

(http://s10.postimg.cc/u9or6bjxh/1443860715226.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/u9or6bjxh/)

(http://s10.postimg.cc/s2kiieen9/1443860747568.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/s2kiieen9/)

(http://s10.postimg.cc/5f59c8z39/1443860937513.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5f59c8z39/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Delvi83 on October 03, 2015, 08:59:40 AM
Is it common to find the fruit (in the Market?) ?? When do they ripe in South China or Taiwan?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on October 03, 2015, 12:28:09 PM
I do not know what species, but I know are coming from Taiwan.
Common hybrid (red jabuticaba), here the number has more than five hundred thousand seedlings or more.

But still it has sabara most common.



([url]http://s29.postimg.cc/yvgziipr7/1443860940157.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/yvgziipr7/[/url])

([url]http://s10.postimg.cc/u9or6bjxh/1443860715226.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/u9or6bjxh/[/url])

([url]http://s10.postimg.cc/s2kiieen9/1443860747568.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/s2kiieen9/[/url])

([url]http://s10.postimg.cc/5f59c8z39/1443860937513.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/5f59c8z39/[/url])



 ???

I am doing big efforts to grow just 2 or 3 red jabos, and you grow 500.000.... give me some ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Delvi83 on October 04, 2015, 04:20:03 PM
Is this a difficult tree to grow?? It seems easier than others..
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 04, 2015, 04:28:19 PM
Is this a difficult tree to grow?? It seems easier than others..

easy to grow if:

-you can keep pH acid or slightly acid....alkalinity can be problematic for many species....causing them to turn yellow, having Fe deficiency, and stunted growth, and eventual death.

-and if you can keep temperature above 25-30F (some species can handle lower temps briefly, but some species can succumb to temps of about 30F)

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Delvi83 on October 05, 2015, 09:05:04 AM
Thanks....i saw your photo and your tree seem perfect even if not in the ground !!!

How long does it take to bear fruits? (from seed)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 06, 2015, 02:13:27 PM
Thanks....i saw your photo and your tree seem perfect even if not in the ground !!!

How long does it take to bear fruits? (from seed)

The fastest to fruit is  about 2.5yr,

Yellow jaboticaba can fruit quick too, in about 3yr

There are many precocious species and varieties
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Joshua on November 06, 2015, 03:58:01 PM
I'm very keen on getting some red jaboticaba seeds or plants .. can anyone help me out. I'm in Australia.  Also what are the distinguishing features of the red fruit.. ie is it sweeter.. bigger than sabara
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Waterfall on November 06, 2015, 04:55:53 PM
I'm very keen on getting some red jaboticaba seeds or plants .. can anyone help me out. I'm in Australia.  Also what are the distinguishing features of the red fruit.. ie is it sweeter.. bigger than sabara

Daleys in Kyogle or Forbidden Fruits at Mullumbimby should have plants.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Joshua on November 06, 2015, 04:58:27 PM
Thanks waterfall I had a look at dales a while ago and they had smallleaf large lleave and grafted but not red
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 09, 2015, 01:38:20 AM
Thanks waterfall I had a look at dales a while ago and they had smallleaf large lleave and grafted but not red

Wow, Daleys is diehard with the "large leaf" moniker.

What sucks for them, is the fact that there are over 20 varieties of myrciaria that have larger leaves than the Grimal (aka peluda de alagoas), which they keep calling large leaf (or big leaf)

Maybe they will call grandifolia "really big leaf"?

And phitrantha, "super large leaf"?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: John Travis on November 09, 2015, 04:18:59 PM

(http://s13.postimg.cc/nnvv71csz/IMG_4879.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/nnvv71csz/)

Speaking of giant leaves, this is the leaf of a white/aurena I recently grafted whit some giant foliage! So if we are gonna describe by leaf size we might be in trouble! lol
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 09, 2015, 04:38:34 PM

([url]http://s13.postimg.cc/nnvv71csz/IMG_4879.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/nnvv71csz/[/url])

Speaking of giant leaves, this is the leaf of a white/aurena I recently grafted whit some giant foliage! So if we are gonna describe by leaf size we might be in trouble! lol


it's a shame, but most people still rely on Julia Morton's book from 1987 (Fruits of Warm Climates) for info about Jabuticaba.

unfortunately she only wrote about 4 species, and had most of the facts twisted.

for instance, she identifies the "White" (or Branca) Jaboticaba as a form of M. cauliflora (but it's M. aureana)....and of course the biggest misnomer of all, she calls "Sabara", M. cauliflora as well (but it's M. jaboticaba).

you have to give her credit though, because she did a good job with the resources she had avaialble...just think how hard it would be to compile all the info she presented, without the advent of the internet.

(btw, that "super puffy large leaf" jabo u grafted is looking good!!!)  ;D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: John Travis on November 09, 2015, 07:42:42 PM

([url]http://s13.postimg.cc/nnvv71csz/IMG_4879.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/nnvv71csz/[/url])

Speaking of giant leaves, this is the leaf of a white/aurena I recently grafted whit some giant foliage! So if we are gonna describe by leaf size we might be in trouble! lol


it's a shame, but most people still rely on Julia Morton's book from 1987 (Fruits of Warm Climates) for info about Jabuticaba.

unfortunately she only wrote about 4 species, and had most of the facts twisted.

for instance, she identifies the "White" (or Branca) Jaboticaba as a form of M. cauliflora (but it's M. aureana)....and of course the biggest misnomer of all, she calls "Sabara", M. cauliflora as well (but it's M. jaboticaba).

you have to give her credit though, because she did a good job with the resources she had avaialble...just think how hard it would be to compile all the info she presented, without the advent of the internet.

(btw, that "super puffy large leaf" jabo u grafted is looking good!!!)  ;D


Yeah I imagine that it would be difficult to to much work at all without the internet. People had to travel, talk to locals, tramp through the jungle...

Thanks! I was really happy to see the scions pushing so much big leaf growth. Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: simon_grow on November 10, 2015, 01:18:26 PM
Hey Adam,

Do you have any idea what variety "Jacks" Jaboticaba is? http://www.cloudforest.com/cafe/forum/58740.html (http://www.cloudforest.com/cafe/forum/58740.html)

The fruit are large, much like some of the Coronata pics I've seen.

Simon
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 10, 2015, 01:57:39 PM
Hey Adam,

Do you have any idea what variety "Jacks" Jaboticaba is? [url]http://www.cloudforest.com/cafe/forum/58740.html[/url] ([url]http://www.cloudforest.com/cafe/forum/58740.html[/url])

The fruit are large, much like some of the Coronata pics I've seen.

Simon


yes i posted about this before....it's the same as paul thompson's....

Myrciaria cualiflora var. Paulista
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: KennyT on November 11, 2015, 02:45:39 AM
I have few red Jaboticaba, but the leaves of one plant are lighter in color as compared to others. May I know is there any problem and should I do anything about it? 
(http://s4.postimg.cc/hayj6re09/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/hayj6re09/)

(http://s4.postimg.cc/je8yefdt5/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/je8yefdt5/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: greenman62 on November 11, 2015, 07:35:31 AM
the leaves on my red are a bit lighter than the leaves of the Sabara i have.
are those other plants also reds ?
i think they like the soil a bit on the acid side
they may have trouble taking up nutrients if it is too alkaline.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: KennyT on November 12, 2015, 03:14:16 AM
All three plants are red jaboticaba, with same soil mixture and city water.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 12, 2015, 10:30:04 AM
All three plants are red jaboticaba, with same soil mixture and city water.

Looks like pH issue, but a minor issue...most likely due to city water.

First I would try giving it a little fertilizer...if you don't see an improvement in 20 days (new red leaves) try drenching with chelated Fe.   (But remember the iron must be chelated)

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on November 15, 2015, 10:07:17 AM
Hi everyone! Please, i nead help to identify this jaboticaba plant. Thank's!  :)
(http://s15.postimg.cc/j4xtmubbr/minha_jaboticaba.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/j4xtmubbr/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 15, 2015, 10:56:00 AM
Hi everyone! Please, i nead help to identify this jaboticaba plant. Thank's!  :)
([url]http://s15.postimg.cc/j4xtmubbr/minha_jaboticaba.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/j4xtmubbr/[/url])


it's hard to say for sure, but remind me of coronata.

you will know for sure in about 12-15 yrs... ;D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on November 15, 2015, 11:14:00 AM
This is a plant that Miguel gave me 2 years ago... as a suposed red-hibrid jabotibaba.  :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on November 15, 2015, 11:33:33 AM
This is a plant that Miguel gave me 2 years ago... as a suposed red-hibrid jabotibaba.  :)
Another two pics more near...
(http://s17.postimg.cc/7d2yy4kgb/minha_jaboticaba1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7d2yy4kgb/)

(http://s3.postimg.cc/fr7d491zz/minha_jaboticaba2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fr7d491zz/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 15, 2015, 12:11:45 PM
definitely not red jabo, looks exactly like my coronata (I suppose one of the most common forms)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on November 15, 2015, 12:13:27 PM
definitely not red jabo, looks exactly like my coronata (I suppose one of the most common forms)
Well it's very beautifull!  ;D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 15, 2015, 12:20:41 PM
definitely not red jabo, looks exactly like my coronata (I suppose one of the most common forms)
Well it's very beautifull!  ;D

my trees seem to enjoy a bit of shade...I put them in full sun, and it burned the leaves.

I hear this tree can get very tall, and takes a long time to fruit.

But the fruits are large and delicious
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on November 15, 2015, 12:27:23 PM
definitely not red jabo, looks exactly like my coronata (I suppose one of the most common forms)
Well it's very beautifull!  ;D

my trees seem to enjoy a bit of shade...I put them in full sun, and it burned the leaves.

I hear this tree can get very tall, and takes a long time to fruit.

But the fruits are large and delicious
Mine is in shade of a big olive tree, very happy, she loves a lot of whater and stands very well our frosts. Last year we get several frost days of -3C.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Miguel.pt on November 15, 2015, 04:19:29 PM
This is a plant that Miguel gave me 2 years ago... as a suposed red-hibrid jabotibaba.  :)
Another two pics more near...
([url]http://s17.postimg.cc/7d2yy4kgb/minha_jaboticaba1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/7d2yy4kgb/[/url])

([url]http://s3.postimg.cc/fr7d491zz/minha_jaboticaba2.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/fr7d491zz/[/url])


M. trunciflora ... jabuticaba-de-cabinho
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on November 15, 2015, 04:26:10 PM
Olá Miguel! I don't think so, because it's totaly diferent from the jaboticaba-de-cabinho you gave me, and totaly diferent from the J.sabará i have... i will post pics of this ones too...  :)  Any way it's a great beautifull tree!  ;D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 15, 2015, 10:09:14 PM
Olá Miguel! I don't think so, because it's totaly diferent from the jaboticaba-de-cabinho you gave me, and totaly diferent from the J.sabará i have... i will post pics of this ones too...  :)  Any way it's a great beautifull tree!  ;D

Luisport your tree has new growth that is slightly pubescent, the new growth of trunciflora is hairless
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on November 16, 2015, 09:58:22 AM
One of my Jaboticaba grimal sedlings
(http://s15.postimg.cc/awocnlprr/my_jaboticaba_grimal.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/awocnlprr/)
my jaboticaba sabara

(http://s7.postimg.cc/6owu02xpj/my_jaboticaba_sabara.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6owu02xpj/)
 my jaboticaba de cabinho
(http://s2.postimg.cc/6ohl3q4dh/my_jaboticaba_de_cabinho.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6ohl3q4dh/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: nelesedulis on November 16, 2015, 10:15:42 AM
Hello friends
Jabuticaba could identify this for me?
I do not remember where I got this tree, it has hair, and does not grow very slowly, is growing as I like, wild.
I never paid much attention to jaboticabas because this plant in my region is spontaneous, cultivate it so?
Now I participate in the forum, I have seen that is an important tree.
Thanks

(http://s14.postimg.cc/ute29v7il/DSCN1757.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ute29v7il/)

(http://s14.postimg.cc/3wyofae31/DSCN1758.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3wyofae31/)

(http://s14.postimg.cc/u2lc43559/DSCN1759.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/u2lc43559/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 16, 2015, 10:26:04 AM
The first species that comes to mind is phitrantha....but I could easily be mistaken.

It's very difficult to positively identify some of these rare myrciarias by just looking at photos of immature plants.

Hello friends
Jabuticaba could identify this for me?
I do not remember where I got this tree, it has hair, and does not grow very slowly, is growing as I like, wild.
I never paid much attention to jaboticabas because this plant in my region is spontaneous, cultivate it so?
Now I participate in the forum, I have seen that is an important tree.
Thanks

([url]http://s14.postimg.cc/ute29v7il/DSCN1757.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/ute29v7il/[/url])

([url]http://s14.postimg.cc/3wyofae31/DSCN1758.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/3wyofae31/[/url])

([url]http://s14.postimg.cc/u2lc43559/DSCN1759.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/u2lc43559/[/url])
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: nelesedulis on November 16, 2015, 10:36:52 AM
If this jabuticaba will be great.
I've been very careless with my collection of trees, I have many trees that I need to bear fruit to be sure.
A tip I give to anyone who wants to start cultivating:
Write down everything, shoot everything, our head failure.
I think I live in Jaboticabaland, each place has a different jaboticaba, I will get to see the trees from neighbors with new eyes, can have different trees and different trees = $$$, LOL








The first species that comes to mind is phitrantha....but I could easily be mistaken.

It's very difficult to positively identify some of these rare myrciarias by just looking at photos of immature plants.

Hello friends
Jabuticaba could identify this for me?
I do not remember where I got this tree, it has hair, and does not grow very slowly, is growing as I like, wild.
I never paid much attention to jaboticabas because this plant in my region is spontaneous, cultivate it so?
Now I participate in the forum, I have seen that is an important tree.
Thanks

([url]http://s14.postimg.cc/ute29v7il/DSCN1757.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/ute29v7il/[/url])

([url]http://s14.postimg.cc/3wyofae31/DSCN1758.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/3wyofae31/[/url])

([url]http://s14.postimg.cc/u2lc43559/DSCN1759.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/u2lc43559/[/url])

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 16, 2015, 10:50:42 AM
You are in jaboticabaland for sure!

I think you can discover lots of hidden treasure.

As for growing tips, I do not think you will need much advice...most of these species will love your natural growing conditions...my only suggestion is to fertilize them, but not excessively...it seems like high amounts of nitrogen can kill a small tree easily....or too much nitrogen can promote vegetative growth, while inhibiting reproductive growth.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on November 16, 2015, 11:01:09 AM
My last ones... Blue jaboticaba seedling
(http://s4.postimg.cc/mj3hgiwt5/my_blue_jaboticaba.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/mj3hgiwt5/)
White jaboticaba

(http://s15.postimg.cc/qcbq9k0xj/my_white_jaboticaba_seedling.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qcbq9k0xj/) 

guaquica seedling

(http://s3.postimg.cc/ftskpnktr/my_guaquica_seedling.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ftskpnktr/)
sabara seedling
(http://s22.postimg.cc/qp1xlq9wd/my_jaboticaba_sabar_seedling.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qp1xlq9wd/)
Cambuci seedling

(http://s1.postimg.cc/u0gj4huuz/my_cambuci_seedling.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/u0gj4huuz/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on November 16, 2015, 11:03:15 AM
Olá Miguel! I don't think so, because it's totaly diferent from the jaboticaba-de-cabinho you gave me, and totaly diferent from the J.sabará i have... i will post pics of this ones too...  :)  Any way it's a great beautifull tree!  ;D

Luisport your tree has new growth that is slightly pubescent, the new growth of trunciflora is hairless
Yes i can confirm it, it has hairs on leaves. Thank's!  ;D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 16, 2015, 11:11:29 AM
you have a great collection already Luis!

some of the trees you posted earlier look very interesting...I couldn't identify them readily.

you never know what you might find...I'd say you are in a great place for collecting these species...the motherland, of the motherland of jaboticabas!

My last ones... Blue jaboticaba seedling
([url]http://s4.postimg.cc/mj3hgiwt5/my_blue_jaboticaba.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/mj3hgiwt5/[/url])
White jaboticaba

([url]http://s15.postimg.cc/qcbq9k0xj/my_white_jaboticaba_seedling.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/qcbq9k0xj/[/url]) guaquica seedling

([url]http://s3.postimg.cc/ftskpnktr/my_guaquica_seedling.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/ftskpnktr/[/url])
sabara seedling
([url]http://s22.postimg.cc/qp1xlq9wd/my_jaboticaba_sabar_seedling.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/qp1xlq9wd/[/url])
Cambuci seedling

([url]http://s1.postimg.cc/u0gj4huuz/my_cambuci_seedling.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/u0gj4huuz/[/url])
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on November 16, 2015, 11:13:09 AM
LOL! Yes, and the best thing is that they can be planted in the ground and stand our winter very well without protection!  ;D
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: jackedfruit on November 16, 2015, 11:33:32 AM
I really like the behavior of the M.guaquiea, upright and "robust" (yeah, not really but in comparison to red jabo who struggles to bear its leaf without bending to the ground) , and not that slow-growing either. Too bad there isn't much info on it, only place I've found anything is in "Brazilian Trees vol.3". Anyone here who've tasted the fruit?

How old is your Luis?

Mine is probably 8-10 months by now.

(http://s21.postimg.cc/lbq99rrs3/20151114_125914.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/lbq99rrs3/)


Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: nelesedulis on November 16, 2015, 11:55:13 AM
Here is my tree of guaquica, I think she has three years that this planted on this site.
In October was flowers.
Look at the picture, as I like and the trees look like, wild place without much care.
The fruit has a transparent pulp, like glazoviana Myrciaria, however has greater amount of pulp and very sweet. When you bite into the fruit it explodes in your mouth.






I really like the behavior of the M.guaquiea, upright and "robust" (yeah, not really but in comparison to red jabo how struggles to bear its leaf without bending to the ground) , and not that slow-growing either. Too bad there isn't much info on it, only place I've found anything is in "Brazilian Trees vol.3". Anyone here who've tasted the fruit?

How old is your Luis?

Mine is probably 8-10 months by now.

([url]http://s21.postimg.cc/lbq99rrs3/20151114_125914.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/lbq99rrs3/[/url])

(http://s9.postimg.cc/ntrf0rb3v/Guaquica_Abril_15.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ntrf0rb3v/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 16, 2015, 12:02:43 PM
jackedfruit, nelesedulis,

those plants are looking really good.

i have a pair that i grafted onto M. glazioviana...they are very happy...I only grafted them about 1yr ago, and I just put them in 15 gal pots the other day.

this species is nice because it is precocious.

it's supposed to be just like strigipes, and glazioviana....but has more edible portion than glazioviana.

once you collect glazioviana, strigipes, and guaquiea...the next step is to find the true Myrciaria glomerata!

it's very rare...looks just like the others in this species complex, but it has red fruits!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on November 16, 2015, 12:20:48 PM
WOW! Nelesedulis your guaquica is big! Very beautifull tree! Mine is almost one year old i think.  ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: jackedfruit on November 16, 2015, 12:29:17 PM

The fruit has a transparent pulp, like glazoviana Myrciaria, however has greater amount of pulp and very sweet. When you bite into the fruit it explodes in your mouth.


([url]http://s9.postimg.cc/ntrf0rb3v/Guaquica_Abril_15.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/ntrf0rb3v/[/url])



it's supposed to be just like strigipes, and glazioviana....but has more edible portion than glazioviana.

once you collect glazioviana, strigipes, and guaquiea...the next step is to find the true Myrciaria glomerata!

it's very rare...looks just like the others in this species complex, but it has red fruits!


Very sweet, better seed:pulp ratio than glazioviana and precocious, sound like it could be a real winner.

Btw nelsedulis all your trees look crazy good, growing plants in their native soil/climate must be such a thrill. Which one of glazioviana and guaquiea do you prefer? Which one seems the most productive?

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: nelesedulis on November 16, 2015, 12:46:10 PM
Between guaquica and M. glazioviana?
Guaquica is better, save more pleasant, and does not have what I hate about glazoviana, forget and bite the bark ....... is almost equal drinking perfume, bad taste.
On the appearance of the trees, just clean the area with a hoe, fertilizer with manure, coffee straw, that photo to see some of my coffee trees, 2 x 150 g for years, NPK 05.20.20, without irrigation because I have 1490 mm of rainfall a year.
In this way the plants grow more naturally, soon intend to take NPK, I will use only organic fertilizer.







The fruit has a transparent pulp, like glazoviana Myrciaria, however has greater amount of pulp and very sweet. When you bite into the fruit it explodes in your mouth.


([url]http://s9.postimg.cc/ntrf0rb3v/Guaquica_Abril_15.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/ntrf0rb3v/[/url])



it's supposed to be just like strigipes, and glazioviana....but has more edible portion than glazioviana.

once you collect glazioviana, strigipes, and guaquiea...the next step is to find the true Myrciaria glomerata!

it's very rare...looks just like the others in this species complex, but it has red fruits!


Very sweet, better seed:pulp ratio than glazioviana and precocious, sound like it could be a real winner.

Btw nelsedulis all your trees look crazy good, growing plants in their native soil/climate must be such a thrill. Which one of glazioviana and guaquiea do you prefer? Which one seems the most productive?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: nelesedulis on November 16, 2015, 12:49:10 PM
Adan
Answer me a question:
Helton ranks jabuticabas as plinias, the difference between Plinia and Myrciaria?

Thank you
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 16, 2015, 02:37:00 PM
Adan
Answer me a question:
Helton ranks jabuticabas as plinias, the difference between Plinia and Myrciaria?

Thank you

I don't think there is much of a difference...and I don't know why some people refuse to use the name Myrciaria....and why some are classified as Plinia (even by those who categorize some as Myrciaria).

but I personally think some of the Myrciarias (like glazioviana, guaquiea, strigipes, and glomerata) should have their own genus.  They are much different than Sabara and it's close relatives (M. cauliflora, coronata, trunciflora, oblongata, etc)

also, Plinia edulis, Plinia rivularis, Mulchi (Plinia sp.), and Myrciaria vexator seem to belong to a separate group....

all i can say is...it's really confusing!  and probably will require genetic profiling to have a definitive answer...

Eugenia, Plinia, and Myrciaria are all closely related...and difficult for a layman to distinguish taxonomically.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: shah8 on November 16, 2015, 09:46:53 PM
Don't I know it!!

and many others over the years.

Taxonomy can be fun, though.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on November 17, 2015, 05:06:42 AM
This is a plant that Miguel gave me 2 years ago... as a suposed red-hibrid jabotibaba.  :)
Another two pics more near...
([url]http://s17.postimg.cc/7d2yy4kgb/minha_jaboticaba1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/7d2yy4kgb/[/url])

([url]http://s3.postimg.cc/fr7d491zz/minha_jaboticaba2.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/fr7d491zz/[/url])


Luis, I have a grafted coroada da restinga that has the same appearance... I´ll try to upload photos later. ;)

Guaquica is better, save more pleasant, and does not have what I hate about glazoviana, forget and bite the bark ....... is almost equal drinking perfume, bad taste.


Alexandre, I never saw a Gaquica closely, but I saw dozens of cabeludinhas, which has good taste but little pulp. I have a small ubanaxica (strigipes) but not fruiting yet.
Talking about differences... I know the tree of Guaquica grows taller, while Cabeludinha and Ubanaxica looks almost equal, just the leafs are a bit different and, while cabeludinha has a hairy skin, ubanaxica has a plain skin. I also read that ubanaxica has a bigger amount of pulp, so, this is the reason why I chose her.
Do you know the ubanaxica? Can you tell me the difference between ubanaxica and Guaquica fruits?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on November 17, 2015, 05:38:43 AM
Adan
Answer me a question:
Helton ranks jabuticabas as plinias, the difference between Plinia and Myrciaria?
Thank you
I don't think there is much of a difference...and I don't know why some people refuse to use the name Myrciaria....and why some are classified as Plinia (even by those who categorize some as Myrciaria). But I personally think some of the Myrciarias (like glazioviana, guaquiea, strigipes, and glomerata) should have their own genus.  They are much different than Sabara and it's close relatives (M. cauliflora, coronata, trunciflora, oblongata, etc). Also, Plinia edulis, Plinia rivularis, Mulchi (Plinia sp.), and Myrciaria vexator seem to belong to a separate group....
all i can say is...it's really confusing!  and probably will require genetic profiling to have a definitive answer...
Eugenia, Plinia, and Myrciaria are all closely related...and difficult for a layman to distinguish taxonomically.

Adam, you´re almost there. :) I think the following lines are an interesting reading for the ones interested. Translated with the help of Google:

"
Traditionally, jabuticabas are classified as Myrciaria genre (as jaboticaba M., M. and M. trunciflora cauliflora), but some authors consider them as belonging to the genus Plinia. The difficulty of generic constituency becomes even greater when the Paramyrciaria gender is incorporated, forming a complex of difficult delimitation using morphological data. Recent studies using molecular data show that Myrciaria and Plinia genres, along with Neomitranthes and Siphoneugena form a monophyletic group called "Complex Plinia". Since existing studies were not able to suggest conclusively one division to the cultured species of jabuticabas, was suggested a molecular approach using a plastid marker (matK) and a core (ITS). The tested phylogenetic were Maximum parsimony and Bayesian analysis, with essentially similar results.
To this end, 67 accessions of the group were obtained in the field or from living collections, including the edible jabuticabas and coming groups (Siphoneugena, Neomitranthes, Myrciaria and Plinia) as well as outside groups. The phylogenetic tree derived from each genomic compartment is shown in detail diverging, demonstrating that the markers have slightly different evolutionary histories.



These results warn that, although the "complex Plinia" show up as a well-defined clade in analyzes in subfamiliar and tribal level, the constituency of components genres demand more attention, especially with regard to the positioning of Plinia. An increase in sampling Plinia gender as well as the inclusion of the type-species of the genus Plinia (P. pinnata) are essential for the final elucidation of the generic identity of cultivated jabuticabeiras. It is believed that this prospective analysis of genetic relationships among cultivated jabuticabeiras and their wild relatives can be used successfully as a reliable baseline for breeding programs.
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Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 17, 2015, 08:01:55 AM
Cassio,

Thank you translating and sharing this great info!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 17, 2015, 08:02:16 AM
Cassio,

Thank you for translating and sharing this great info!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: nelesedulis on November 17, 2015, 08:41:49 AM
This is a plant that Miguel gave me 2 years ago... as a suposed red-hibrid jabotibaba.  :)
Another two pics more near...
([url]http://s17.postimg.cc/7d2yy4kgb/minha_jaboticaba1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/7d2yy4kgb/[/url])

([url]http://s3.postimg.cc/fr7d491zz/minha_jaboticaba2.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/fr7d491zz/[/url])


Luis, I have a grafted coroada da restinga that has the same appearance... I´ll try to upload photos later. ;)












Hello Cassio,
 
I have both trees in crops, similar ages and both with flowers as I was on the farm.
Guaquica, I experienced the fruit in Carapebus in Rio de Janeiro, sandbank Region Jurubatinga, Ubanaxica or cambuca da praia, was the E-jardim who gave me the trees, she still suffered a severe accident, my dog Nina ate the tree in the pot !
I recovered and planted are the same size, the sheet cambuca da praia is smoother than the cabeludinha and has a thin point, a leaf hair cabeludinha lol, the sheet guaquica is rounded at the tip.









Guaquica is better, save more pleasant, and does not have what I hate about glazoviana, forget and bite the bark ....... is almost equal drinking perfume, bad taste.


Alexandre, I never saw a Gaquica closely, but I saw dozens of cabeludinhas, which has good taste but little pulp. I have a small ubanaxica (strigipes) but not fruiting yet.
Talking about differences... I know the tree of Guaquica grows taller, while Cabeludinha and Ubanaxica looks almost equal, just the leafs are a bit different and, while cabeludinha has a hairy skin, ubanaxica has a plain skin. I also read that ubanaxica has a bigger amount of pulp, so, this is the reason why I chose her.
Do you know the ubanaxica? Can you tell me the difference between ubanaxica and Guaquica fruits?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: nelesedulis on November 17, 2015, 08:48:04 AM
My God.
Another name: Jabuticaba coroada da restinga.






This is a plant that Miguel gave me 2 years ago... as a suposed red-hibrid jabotibaba.  :)
Another two pics more near...
([url]http://s17.postimg.cc/7d2yy4kgb/minha_jaboticaba1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/7d2yy4kgb/[/url])

([url]http://s3.postimg.cc/fr7d491zz/minha_jaboticaba2.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/fr7d491zz/[/url])


Luis, I have a grafted coroada da restinga that has the same appearance... I´ll try to upload photos later. ;)












Hello Cassio,
 
I have both trees in crops, similar ages and both with flowers as I was on the farm.
Guaquica, I experienced the fruit in Carapebus in Rio de Janeiro, sandbank Region Jurubatinga, Ubanaxica or cambuca da praia, was the E-jardim who gave me the trees, she still suffered a severe accident, my dog Nina ate the tree in the pot !
I recovered and planted are the same size, the sheet cambuca da praia is smoother than the cabeludinha and has a thin point, a leaf hair cabeludinha lol, the sheet guaquica is rounded at the tip.









Guaquica is better, save more pleasant, and does not have what I hate about glazoviana, forget and bite the bark ....... is almost equal drinking perfume, bad taste.


Alexandre, I never saw a Gaquica closely, but I saw dozens of cabeludinhas, which has good taste but little pulp. I have a small ubanaxica (strigipes) but not fruiting yet.
Talking about differences... I know the tree of Guaquica grows taller, while Cabeludinha and Ubanaxica looks almost equal, just the leafs are a bit different and, while cabeludinha has a hairy skin, ubanaxica has a plain skin. I also read that ubanaxica has a bigger amount of pulp, so, this is the reason why I chose her.
Do you know the ubanaxica? Can you tell me the difference between ubanaxica and Guaquica fruits?

This is a plant that Miguel gave me 2 years ago... as a suposed red-hibrid jabotibaba.  :)
Another two pics more near...
([url]http://s17.postimg.cc/7d2yy4kgb/minha_jaboticaba1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/7d2yy4kgb/[/url])

([url]http://s3.postimg.cc/fr7d491zz/minha_jaboticaba2.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/fr7d491zz/[/url])


Luis, I have a grafted coroada da restinga that has the same appearance... I´ll try to upload photos later. ;)

Guaquica is better, save more pleasant, and does not have what I hate about glazoviana, forget and bite the bark ....... is almost equal drinking perfume, bad taste.


Alexandre, I never saw a Gaquica closely, but I saw dozens of cabeludinhas, which has good taste but little pulp. I have a small ubanaxica (strigipes) but not fruiting yet.
Talking about differences... I know the tree of Guaquica grows taller, while Cabeludinha and Ubanaxica looks almost equal, just the leafs are a bit different and, while cabeludinha has a hairy skin, ubanaxica has a plain skin. I also read that ubanaxica has a bigger amount of pulp, so, this is the reason why I chose her.
Do you know the ubanaxica? Can you tell me the difference between ubanaxica and Guaquica fruits?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 17, 2015, 10:43:04 AM
I have a bunch of Myrciaria coronata var Restinga

But the new growth doesn't look like the plant Luis has.

His looks more like the common type.

The leaves of the restinga type are noticeably different.

My God.
Another name: Jabuticaba coroada da restinga.






This is a plant that Miguel gave me 2 years ago... as a suposed red-hibrid jabotibaba.  :)
Another two pics more near...
([url]http://s17.postimg.cc/7d2yy4kgb/minha_jaboticaba1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/7d2yy4kgb/[/url])

([url]http://s3.postimg.cc/fr7d491zz/minha_jaboticaba2.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/fr7d491zz/[/url])


Luis, I have a grafted coroada da restinga that has the same appearance... I´ll try to upload photos later. ;)












Hello Cassio,
 
I have both trees in crops, similar ages and both with flowers as I was on the farm.
Guaquica, I experienced the fruit in Carapebus in Rio de Janeiro, sandbank Region Jurubatinga, Ubanaxica or cambuca da praia, was the E-jardim who gave me the trees, she still suffered a severe accident, my dog Nina ate the tree in the pot !
I recovered and planted are the same size, the sheet cambuca da praia is smoother than the cabeludinha and has a thin point, a leaf hair cabeludinha lol, the sheet guaquica is rounded at the tip.









Guaquica is better, save more pleasant, and does not have what I hate about glazoviana, forget and bite the bark ....... is almost equal drinking perfume, bad taste.


Alexandre, I never saw a Gaquica closely, but I saw dozens of cabeludinhas, which has good taste but little pulp. I have a small ubanaxica (strigipes) but not fruiting yet.
Talking about differences... I know the tree of Guaquica grows taller, while Cabeludinha and Ubanaxica looks almost equal, just the leafs are a bit different and, while cabeludinha has a hairy skin, ubanaxica has a plain skin. I also read that ubanaxica has a bigger amount of pulp, so, this is the reason why I chose her.
Do you know the ubanaxica? Can you tell me the difference between ubanaxica and Guaquica fruits?

This is a plant that Miguel gave me 2 years ago... as a suposed red-hibrid jabotibaba.  :)
Another two pics more near...
([url]http://s17.postimg.cc/7d2yy4kgb/minha_jaboticaba1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/7d2yy4kgb/[/url])

([url]http://s3.postimg.cc/fr7d491zz/minha_jaboticaba2.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/fr7d491zz/[/url])


Luis, I have a grafted coroada da restinga that has the same appearance... I´ll try to upload photos later. ;)

Guaquica is better, save more pleasant, and does not have what I hate about glazoviana, forget and bite the bark ....... is almost equal drinking perfume, bad taste.


Alexandre, I never saw a Gaquica closely, but I saw dozens of cabeludinhas, which has good taste but little pulp. I have a small ubanaxica (strigipes) but not fruiting yet.
Talking about differences... I know the tree of Guaquica grows taller, while Cabeludinha and Ubanaxica looks almost equal, just the leafs are a bit different and, while cabeludinha has a hairy skin, ubanaxica has a plain skin. I also read that ubanaxica has a bigger amount of pulp, so, this is the reason why I chose her.
Do you know the ubanaxica? Can you tell me the difference between ubanaxica and Guaquica fruits?

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Miguel.pt on November 17, 2015, 11:15:57 AM
Hello Luis,

You or me we have mixed things up at some point... I saw other photos of the jabos I gave you 2 years ago that you posted on another thread and there is no doubt for me:

The one I gave you labelled as "Common Jabo" is actually a variety of Myrciaria jaboticaba... same species as "Sabará" but apparently there are many other varieties other then "Sabará"

The one with those nice red new leaves (discussed in this thread) is the M. trunciflora (Jaboticaba-de-cabinho)... the biggest one I have (sister of yours) is now more that 2 meters high and has the same new red leaves... good news is that this species should be one of the cold hardiest of all Jabos ... I left one outside in a pot during last winter and it resisted -5ºC at my place with no problems (only lost some leaves that sprouted immediately at spring)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on November 17, 2015, 11:24:34 AM
Hi Miguel! How are you my friend? Then i think the one you have as jaboticaba de cabinho like mine... it's not. Because the one i have has haires and the true jaboticaba de cabinho is totally hairless.  ;D What do you think? Abraço forte!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 17, 2015, 12:23:58 PM
Hi Miguel! How are you my friend? Then i think the one you have as jaboticaba de cabinho like mine... it's not. Because the one i have has haires and the true jaboticaba de cabinho is totally hairless.  ;D What do you think? Abraço forte!


i'm sure there are forms of trunciflora that have pubescence on the new growth, but the most common form (as pictured in Brazilian fruits and cultivated exotics) is hairless.  The branching habit is much different than the tree Luis has posted pics of.

here is trunciflora
(http://s29.postimg.cc/audibq9mr/DSCN0481.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/audibq9mr/)

(http://s29.postimg.cc/elwq8wj0j/DSCN0482.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/elwq8wj0j/)

here is coronata

(http://s8.postimage.org/k501iqlq9/11_27_12_006.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/k501iqlq9/)
(http://s1.postimg.cc/iy05t0kob/4_9_13_012.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/iy05t0kob/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: nelesedulis on November 17, 2015, 06:36:51 PM
This jaboticaba I reap seeds near farm in 2008, very good taste, now organizing my photos I found this picture.
to vary, I do not know the name of the variety.
(http://s17.postimg.cc/dppp3ieyj/Myrciaria.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/dppp3ieyj/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 17, 2015, 07:17:28 PM
This jaboticaba I reap seeds near farm in 2008, very good taste, now organizing my photos I found this picture.
to vary, I do not know the name of the variety.
([url]http://s17.postimg.cc/dppp3ieyj/Myrciaria.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/dppp3ieyj/[/url])


maybe it's one of the many forms of M. jaboticaba?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Galka on November 20, 2015, 12:20:15 PM
I love those new leaves.  :)

(http://i.imgur.com/TmfLRHy.jpg?1) (http://i.imgur.com/oNwjJXH.jpg?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/Y4aU4mk.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 20, 2015, 12:38:07 PM
Galka

Looking good!

I have several varieties of white jaboticaba, but yours looks like the variety I most recently collected.

I wonder if it's superior to the ones I have fruting (they are from the first plants introduced into the USA many years ago)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Galka on November 20, 2015, 01:38:52 PM
Adam, that means I need another variety, haha.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 20, 2015, 03:10:22 PM
Adam, that means I need another variety, haha.

maybe graft on some scions...it's really easy...lol you could have a cocktail white jaboticaba tree, with 3 types of white jabo

btw, looks like my small variegated Grimal wants to push out new growth...i will post pics if it holds the variegated pattern.

it really grows slow!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Galka on November 20, 2015, 03:30:56 PM
I will leave this one like it is and try to graft two other var. on his twin brother if it survives. Which reminds me I have to check it out. Can't wait to see the pics of your Grimal.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on November 20, 2015, 07:17:54 PM
This jaboticaba I reap seeds near farm in 2008, very good taste, now organizing my photos I found this picture.
to vary, I do not know the name of the variety.
([url]http://s17.postimg.cc/dppp3ieyj/Myrciaria.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/dppp3ieyj/[/url])


Beautifull tree Alexandre!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on November 21, 2015, 02:50:25 PM
These are the jabos and rellated species that I have...
Number one, planted in the soil.

(http://s29.postimg.cc/cm2l470zn/20151118_194846.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/cm2l470zn/)

(http://s24.postimg.cc/7ww1bwl1t/20151118_194834.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7ww1bwl1t/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on November 21, 2015, 02:54:05 PM
Number two: White jaboticaba. Planted in a pot of 50 cm tall by 50 cm in the "mouth"

(http://s13.postimg.cc/npnocgp03/20151118_194750.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/npnocgp03/)

(http://s13.postimg.cc/74l3tx47n/20151118_194802.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/74l3tx47n/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/t6gye78bl/20151118_194815.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/t6gye78bl/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on November 21, 2015, 02:57:04 PM
Number 3: Hybrid jaboticaba, planted in a pot of 80 cm tall and 50cm in the "mouth"

(http://s23.postimg.cc/qsffs8obb/20151118_194923.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qsffs8obb/)

(http://s4.postimg.cc/3tpsb3w9l/20151118_194911.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3tpsb3w9l/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on November 21, 2015, 03:00:37 PM
Number four: Coroada da Restinga, planted in a pot of 80 cm tall by 50 cm in the "mouth". Beautifull little tree!!

(http://s22.postimg.cc/aeue80bgd/20151118_195005.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/aeue80bgd/)

(http://s13.postimg.cc/vz971qefn/20151118_194949.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/vz971qefn/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on November 21, 2015, 03:04:56 PM
Number five and six: Blue Jaboticaba, planted in a pot of 80 cm tall by 50 cm in the "mouth" and cambucá-da-praia, planted in the soil.

(http://s18.postimg.cc/wyq61fys5/20151118_195032.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wyq61fys5/)

(http://s28.postimg.cc/v7hnb27fd/20151118_195116.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/v7hnb27fd/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on November 21, 2015, 03:08:06 PM
Number seven: two cambucás planted in pots.  8)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/effs8un0d/20151118_195054.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/effs8un0d/)

(http://s4.postimg.cc/4nl862crd/20151118_195107.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4nl862crd/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on November 21, 2015, 04:20:51 PM
Very beautifull plants Cassio! Congratulations!  ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on November 21, 2015, 04:35:05 PM
Very beautifull plants Cassio! Congratulations!  ;)

Thank you Luis! 8)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 21, 2015, 04:57:26 PM
Great plants Cassio!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on November 21, 2015, 09:15:39 PM
Cool, Cassio, congrats. In your opinion, what is the best jaboticaba species to eat? how many varieties did you ate?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on November 22, 2015, 06:01:13 PM
Cool, Cassio, congrats. In your opinion, what is the best jaboticaba species to eat? how many varieties did you ate?

Marcos, I like to much of the Jaboticaba Coroada, and also of that jabo in my first post, which I don´t know the name, but appears to be "de cabinho" (you can see them in the photo. Fruits were harvested before), but I´m unsure if is "de cabinho" or not. The white jabo is very sweet, while the skin (can be eaten) is a bit sour, but not that much. The fruits are small, but the seeds too. ;)
I ate the pohema (or paulista) too, but she isn´t so good.

Never tasted the blue, and other vars.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on November 23, 2015, 10:26:50 AM
ok, about the skin: i never ate the skin (tasted coronata and some unknown vars), too acid and bitter
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: xunxun88 on November 23, 2015, 10:13:18 PM
Myrciaria coronata var Restinga in Taiwan.

(http://s30.postimg.cc/4juihqyml/IMG_20150502.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4juihqyml/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Cassio on November 24, 2015, 07:23:37 AM
ok, about the skin: i never ate the skin (tasted coronata and some unknown vars), too acid and bitter

Yeah, all of them has skin acid and bitter (except that white var), but you can make juice and liquor with them ;)

xunxun88: congrats!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Waterfall on November 24, 2015, 06:11:40 PM
I'm unsure of the type of Jabo this is but it is fruiting for the first time now.

(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd209/sivadleoj/Garden/20151124_190115.jpg)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 25, 2015, 09:39:00 AM
I'm unsure of the type of Jabo this is but it is fruiting for the first time now.

([url]http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd209/sivadleoj/Mobile%20Uploads/20151124_190115.jpg[/url])


Looks like a Tabby...still a year away from fruiting.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Waterfall on November 25, 2015, 04:45:25 PM
Sorry fixed the photo now.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 25, 2015, 05:22:55 PM
Sorry fixed the photo now.


you've got a Gremlin (Grimal) multiplying, that's what happens when you put water on them!  just don't fertilize after midnight!


http://youtu.be/o2vw_iYBAyY (http://youtu.be/o2vw_iYBAyY)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TnTrobbie on December 03, 2015, 12:31:17 PM
My Red jabo has begun flowering for the first time :). Bought it as a small 3 gal early this year (Feb). It's barely 3 ft tall in a 15gal pot- but bushy and healthy. Doing well in indirect sunlight.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TheDom on December 08, 2015, 02:56:09 PM
My Grimal is putting out its first flowers now. Approx 4.5 ft tall. Giggity!
(http://s17.postimg.cc/513u7l79n/14496044674541201254503.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/513u7l79n/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 08, 2015, 03:08:51 PM
My Grimal is putting out its first flowers now. Approx 4.5 ft tall. Giggity!
([url]http://s17.postimg.cc/513u7l79n/14496044674541201254503.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/513u7l79n/[/url])

CONGRATS!
looks like your tree is trying to give you a present for Chrismahanukwanzakah!
I'm all about them Gremlins!

(http://s14.postimg.cc/k67e1z0td/image.jpg)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TheDom on December 08, 2015, 03:47:41 PM
My Grimal is putting out its first flowers now. Approx 4.5 ft tall. Giggity!
([url]http://s17.postimg.cc/513u7l79n/14496044674541201254503.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/513u7l79n/[/url])

CONGRATS!
looks like your tree is trying to give you a present for Chrismahanukwanzakah!
I'm all about them Gremlins!

([url]http://s14.postimg.cc/k67e1z0td/image.jpg[/url])


Thanks! What's the flower to feast time on these usually?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 08, 2015, 05:11:32 PM
seems like 40 days? maybe sooner during the warmer months??

but during winter months it can take longer I'm sure.

If we get dry chilly air that comes through, protect the tree from temps below 40F if possible....just using a frost cloth and watering heavily before a chilly night can make a big difference...

just remember, dry, cold, wind is your enemy
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: KennyT on December 09, 2015, 10:01:59 PM
Hi Dom,

Roughly how old is your Grimal ?

 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Joshua on December 12, 2015, 06:14:29 AM
i had my first try of a large leaf (grimal)variety today.i was very excited  they are bigger yes.they have a slightly different flovour with a touch more sweetnes.the skin is way thicker and more bitter/acid than the small leaf (sabara) and has fine hairs on the ski  which is a bit stange initially.i must say i like them alot but i think both varieties have their unique attributes. I do enjoy eating skin seed and all with the sabara and you can't do that with the grimal unless your very Keen.check my vid tch "jaboticaba large leaf large fruit beautiful grimal" on YouTub
https://youtu.be/01hPxBGq75k (https://youtu.be/01hPxBGq75k) had my first try of a large leaf variety today

(http://s12.postimg.cc/enqckcybt/20151212_150441.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/enqckcybt/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Joshua on December 12, 2015, 06:18:54 AM
Why do they upload sideways ??
(http://s15.postimg.cc/7ympb4njb/20151212_204831.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7ympb4njb/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: shah8 on December 12, 2015, 01:46:19 PM
you're picking those a little too early.  That skin needs to be dull and more matte.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 12, 2015, 02:10:29 PM
Why do they upload sideways ??
([url]http://s15.postimg.cc/7ympb4njb/20151212_204831.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/7ympb4njb/[/url])


nice pics look like some grimals on the left, and sabara on the right.

definitely wait as long as possible to pick Grimal, if they are purple but still firm when squeezed, they still need to stay on the tree...I like them to get quite soft before picking.

as for pictures being sideways, I had the same problem.

the only way I could fix it, was by opening the file once i've downloaded it onto my computer...then you must rotate the image 90 degrees, then save and close the file...then reopen the file, and rotate the image back to the original upright position, then save the file and close...and then upload to the forum.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Joshua on December 12, 2015, 03:46:37 PM
OK thanks for the tip I'll give it a try. I must say I think I would miss that firm pop if they went soft though
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Joshua on December 12, 2015, 08:29:06 PM
Hey and thanks for the grafting vid.  that was very cool. Do you know of anyone in AS with red jbtcba
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 13, 2015, 03:18:32 PM
Hey and thanks for the grafting vid.  that was very cool. Do you know of anyone in AS with red jbtcba

u r most welcome...btw, i saw some red jabos on Daley's forum, maybe they have it? or some of the members of their forum?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Waterfall on December 13, 2015, 04:42:47 PM
We just finished eating all our first grimal harvest (see photo), I enjoyed them so much I have purchased a coronata. Finding space for it will be difficult, do they do well in containers or will it grow more rapid in the ground?

(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd209/sivadleoj/Garden/P1010013_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Joshua on December 21, 2015, 07:01:28 AM
Watch "jabuticaba growth stages in my backyard" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/qhiMv76veEIey guys I decided to video some of my seedlings and sapling to share take a look
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on December 27, 2015, 09:30:56 PM
Adan
Answer me a question:
Helton ranks jabuticabas as plinias, the difference between Plinia and Myrciaria?

Thank you

I don't think there is much of a difference...and I don't know why some people refuse to use the name Myrciaria....and why some are classified as Plinia (even by those who categorize some as Myrciaria).

but I personally think some of the Myrciarias (like glazioviana, guaquiea, strigipes, and glomerata) should have their own genus.  They are much different than Sabara and it's close relatives (M. cauliflora, coronata, trunciflora, oblongata, etc)

also, Plinia edulis, Plinia rivularis, Mulchi (Plinia sp.), and Myrciaria vexator seem to belong to a separate group....

all i can say is...it's really confusing!  and probably will require genetic profiling to have a definitive answer...

Eugenia, Plinia, and Myrciaria are all closely related...and difficult for a layman to distinguish taxonomically.

Cambuca in the same group as that foul vexator?  Oh, no...now you have me worried since I haven't tasted cambuca....to me, blue jabo is right up there with june plum and the worst surinam cherries  :o
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 27, 2015, 09:47:45 PM
Gotta know how to properly eat the vexator, otherwise the tannin in the skin is nasty...also if your tree is not grown under optimal conditions, the fruit may be smaller than normal (I see this all the time)...but I really enjoy these...they seem to fruit almost half the year which is nice...

But it's nothing like the cambuca at all in terms of flavor.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on December 27, 2015, 11:26:24 PM
Gotta know how to properly eat the vexator, otherwise the tannin in the skin is nasty...also if your tree is not grown under optimal conditions, the fruit may be smaller than normal (I see this all the time)...but I really enjoy these...they seem to fruit almost half the year which is nice...

But it's nothing like the cambuca at all in terms of flavor.


 ;D Phew!  Good to hear.  Maybe when I come visit you in March, you can try to convert me on blue grape
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 27, 2015, 11:47:11 PM
the blue jaboticaba is one of those fruits that is easy not to like...especially if you have a poor first impression...and some people are going to dislike them no matter what,, usually the complaints are the thick tannic skin, and the large seeds.

But it seems like a good percentage of people who taste them at my nursery appreciate them...I always warn them not to chew the skin , and try to pick the largest ripest fruits .

If u get them too early they are astringent and sour....even though they look ripe

Defintely one of those fruits that takes some patience to appreciate...but as I've said before, the flavor is really nice (and unique), the tree is precocious, fruiting from seed in less than 6yr, and it has an extended season with several crops throughout the year...(and the thick skin deters birds from stealing the fruit!). And it tolerates high pH (and city water) very well!

 
Gotta know how to properly eat the vexator, otherwise the tannin in the skin is nasty...also if your tree is not grown under optimal conditions, the fruit may be smaller than normal (I see this all the time)...but I really enjoy these...they seem to fruit almost half the year which is nice...

But it's nothing like the cambuca at all in terms of flavor.


 ;D Phew!  Good to hear.  Maybe when I come visit you in March, you can try to convert me on blue grape
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on December 28, 2015, 02:56:47 AM
From talking to people in the know especially in Brazil and from my limited experience the excellent tasting species are grimals and close relatives, Scarlets and phitrantha. Cambuca seems to be excellent or vry good and all 3 mulchis are just good but rivularis is very good.M.jaboticaba such as sabara and the M.cauliflower such as Paulista are very good as is red hybrid and white.Coronata and oblongata are too sour and yellows are just trash in my view.Vexators are ok,dubia are very sour and the other 8 or 9 main ones the jury is out on.Taste,sourness and thick skin are problems with a few.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on December 28, 2015, 06:27:28 AM
I left out trunciflora which is reputedly very good,gandiflora which is a bit too sour and guaquiea which is supposedly quite good.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on December 28, 2015, 10:36:44 AM
From talking to people in the know especially in Brazil and from my limited experience the excellent tasting species are grimals and close relatives, Scarlets and phitrantha. Cambuca seems to be excellent or vry good and all 3 mulchis are just good but rivularis is very good.M.jaboticaba such as sabara and the M.cauliflower such as Paulista are very good as is red hybrid and white.Coronata and oblongata are too sour and yellows are just trash in my view.Vexators are ok,dubia are very sour and the other 8 or 9 main ones the jury is out on.Taste,sourness and thick skin are problems with a few.

Not so simple...

Cauliflora makes some varieties with sour fruit, some with sweet, same with coronata...the variation within these two species is astounding....

Also the yellow jaboticaba is one of my favorites, although there is a poor seed to flesh ratio, the flavor is unique and delicious...and they seem to have fruits when other species don't...late winter, and early spring.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Mike T on December 29, 2015, 07:46:10 AM
My 2 yellows are shy bearers and only fruit in summer unlike grimal and sabara that fruit year round in profusion.I think yellows don't like the tropics.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Raulglezruiz on December 29, 2015, 10:25:48 AM
My 2 yellows are shy bearers and only fruit in summer unlike grimal and sabara that fruit year round in profusion.I think yellows don't like the tropics.
Agree with that, I have two Cabelludhiñas, one set lots of fruit 5 years ago and that's all, however keeps flowering every year maybe twice, the other one same age just set fruit for first time this summer, I try everything lots of water ,non water etc. The little bush looks happy all the time do, just Don't set fruit,as Mike said probably likes colder climates or colder winters I only get  17/18 c. for a few hours before the morning in winter time....
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: xshen on January 06, 2016, 12:58:11 PM
Just a FYI on some information I found on the propagation of our favorite fruit.

The topic of rooting jaboticaba cuttings has surfaced on numerous occasions. I was curious and wanted to see if I can root some sabara cuttings to use as rootstocks since they’re hard to come by. Google results mostly pointed to the threads started on TFF. When I started to google by translating the phrases into Spanish (enxerto jabuticaba, propagaçao vegetativa de jabuticaba, etc), there were plenty of well documented studies on the propagation of jaboticabas in Spanish. You just have to translate them back into English.

Rooting terminal cuttings, airlayering, grafting, and tissue culture:
http://repositorio.utfpr.edu.br/jspui/handle/1/271 (http://repositorio.utfpr.edu.br/jspui/handle/1/271)

If the translations are correct, success rate on rooting very small terminal cuttings is only 10%. Airlayering seems a bit more viable. Here is another site I found on airlayering:

http://bonsaifacilrs.blogspot.com/2013/09/alporquia-em-jabuticaba-com-uso-de.html (http://bonsaifacilrs.blogspot.com/2013/09/alporquia-em-jabuticaba-com-uso-de.html)


Here are some more rooting methods. Looks like the Brazilians got a process established for rooting much larger branches.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ihIJBdDlMyw (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ihIJBdDlMyw)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OvU2N1yhQ1Q (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OvU2N1yhQ1Q)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: fourseasonsflorida on January 06, 2016, 03:56:47 PM
Thanks, xshen.  The blog on airlayering is particularly interesting.  It looks like 4-6 months should be a sufficient time period to establish roots in properly airlayered jaboticaba.  I'm going to try that method next on a sabara I have - going for a 2cm branch.  I recently tried to grow a cutting of sabara about 1cm at the base with no roots forming after 4 months (on a different thread).  But, I probably should have left it there for a year to know for sure if it ever would have rooted!
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: 9B in Brazil on January 06, 2016, 04:04:39 PM
Just got back from my farm in Brazil and counted 3 mature Jaboticabas growing there.  Unfortunately, all of them are the common variety.  Has anyone ever tried grafting to produce other varieties?  I want to try the red hybrid and white varieties.  Should I try grafting or would I be better off just starting fresh with seedlings?
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on January 06, 2016, 04:07:25 PM
Just got back from my farm in Brazil and counted 3 mature Jaboticabas growing there.  Unfortunately, all of them are the common variety.  Has anyone ever tried grafting to produce other varieties?  I want to try the red hybrid and white varieties.  Should I try grafting or would I be better off just starting fresh with seedlings?

Adam has/does graft many jaboticaba onto sabarah (common type).  The wood is supposedly pretty hard though, fyi.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: xshen on January 06, 2016, 04:47:27 PM
Just got back from my farm in Brazil and counted 3 mature Jaboticabas growing there.  Unfortunately, all of them are the common variety.  Has anyone ever tried grafting to produce other varieties?  I want to try the red hybrid and white varieties.  Should I try grafting or would I be better off just starting fresh with seedlings?

Grafting jaboticaba vids.

From the jabo man himself:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uYY8FGZp8SE

My favorite grafting method...the whip graft using larger than sharpie size scion:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NLXR7ceifK4
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: 9B in Brazil on January 06, 2016, 05:47:33 PM
Thanks for the insight.  I guess what I really want to know now is if top-working can be done to get to a mature producing tree quicker.  I have 3 mature trees that I could top-work, but there are several young sabarah seedling that I could graft onto if that is more reliable than top-working. 
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 06, 2016, 06:15:56 PM
Thanks for the insight.  I guess what I really want to know now is if top-working can be done to get to a mature producing tree quicker.  I have 3 mature trees that I could top-work, but there are several young sabarah seedling that I could graft onto if that is more reliable than top-working.

Yes for sure, in many cases, topworking a larger tree, instead of grafting onto a small seedling, will produce fruit much quicker than the latter.

I suppose this is because the juvenile phase is reduced, due to the substantial size of the rootstock.

In order to induce maximum precocity, you must use large scions (which are somewhat difficult to graft, being less forgiving than small scions), and you must place them properly on the mature rootstock.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: John Travis on January 07, 2016, 10:59:19 AM
I'm going to second what Adam has to say, and add that in my experience I have had the better success rates grafting onto larger root stocks. Even with more difficult varieties, I have had success grafting onto my largest rootstock, which is a 6-7 year old Sabara in a 15 gal. pot. All of the graft were places this year so we will see how long it takes.

The real take away is that a larger rootstock will provide the best chance for success. Given the cost/difficulties finding mature budwood, I would graft onto a larger rootstock. Best of luck! Keep us posted on your progress.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: John Travis on January 09, 2016, 11:07:25 PM
Since we were on the topic of grafting and difficulties therein I couldn't help but add this photo.
 
(http://s28.postimg.cc/uy7t6i3dl/IMG_4944.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/uy7t6i3dl/)

Cambuca (thanks to Flying Fox Fruits) grafted onto a large Sabara! I was not sure it would take and have failed with this attempt in the past, so I was happy to see this one taking so far.

I'm basically using this tree as a place to keep and grow budwood specimens until I have more room. It's pretty much a giant cocktail so sorry if it's messy/confusing. I tried to center the photo around the Cambuca scion.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 09, 2016, 11:36:01 PM
Nice!!

I'm glad you were able to get a take!  I had gave up after a bunch of failures

Lol, now maybe people will get the courage to buy some scions from me!

I was telling people cambuca isn't compatible with Plinia jaboticaba...but now you are the second person to show me that it's not true!

Since we were on the topic of grafting and difficulties therein I couldn't help but add this photo.
 
([url]http://s28.postimg.cc/uy7t6i3dl/IMG_4944.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/uy7t6i3dl/[/url])

Cambuca (thanks to Flying Fox Fruits) grafted onto a large Sabara! I was not sure it would take and have failed with this attempt in the past, so I was happy to see this one taking so far.

I'm basically using this tree as a place to keep and grow budwood specimens until I have more room. It's pretty much a giant cocktail so sorry if it's messy/confusing. I tried to center the photo around the Cambuca scion.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: merce3 on January 10, 2016, 10:15:45 AM
anyone know where i can pick up j. phitrantha var. otto anderson? i only have room to grow one tree, so i would like to try this one since it sounds like one of the best.
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 11, 2016, 05:00:17 PM
anyone know where i can pick up j. phitrantha var. otto anderson? i only have room to grow one tree, so i would like to try this one since it sounds like one of the best.
I will have them this year (sold a few last year...each year more and more)...very limited, and expensive.

Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: gunnar429 on January 20, 2016, 06:53:37 AM
have been eating a bunch of sabaras lately.  A few observations:

What does jaboticaba taste like?  To me, it tastes like grape flavoring.  Not actual grapes, but like what a grape slush puppie tastes like.  ;D  Delicious!  Once popping the shell open has occurred, the juice really squirts into your mouth with a rush of flavor.  There are usually 1-3 "lumps" of flesh.  Do not swallow if you wish to keep the seeds, as they are inside the "lump" and quite easy to swallow without even realizing it. 

Also, fruit pulp that appears reddish, rather than whitish, has been exposed to oxygen and may taste fermented, like wine.  I don't usually eat the skins, as they are quite tannic, and somewhat rough on my stomach, but I have heard they can have medicinal properties if eaten in limited amounts
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Joshua on January 27, 2016, 02:55:01 AM
i may!! be having my first successful graft shoot. it's a large leaf on sabara
(http://s29.postimg.cc/hn3ezcuf7/20160127_174630.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/hn3ezcuf7/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 27, 2016, 03:27:30 AM
i may!! be having my first successful graft shoot. it's a large leaf on sabara
([url]http://s29.postimg.cc/hn3ezcuf7/20160127_174630.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/hn3ezcuf7/[/url])


Nice work amigo

Make sure to never let the rootstock grow any new shoots or leaves...it will try for a while, just remove any suckers with clean hands or pruners.

New growth on the rootstock sucks energy from the scion
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: Joshua on January 27, 2016, 03:50:52 AM
Thanks Adam and I forgot to say thanks Adam for that very informative video on grafting jaboticaba which inspired me to try. i left thise bottom leaves on in case i didnt take.I'll give it a bit longer then remove them.Watch "Grafting Myrciaria (Enxerto de jabuticaba ) with Adam Shafran, of Flying Fox Fruits" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/uYY8FGZp8SE
Title: Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
Post by: TheDom on January 27, 2016, 09:49:49 AM
The other day Matt, Berto and I went out to the FGCU Food Forest to meet some of the new students that would be taking care of the place and give them some pointers on pruning and other general plant care stuff.

They've got a few sabara there in a woefully unpruned state, and I started picking a few dead branches off by hand, and mentioned to Berto that it could use a good pruning. So he picks up some pruners and before the students realize what he's doing, he's got a good half dozen branches off, and the students are all wide-eyed and worried "Wait, wait, what is he doing?" So he goes through and explains the what and why of Plinia pruning, snipping off branches left and right, as the students visibly cringe with every