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Title: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Bonakyon on January 06, 2014, 03:33:58 PM
I asked Luc a couple of questions concerning the growth habit of this Garcinia and he thought it would be good to hear of other experiences from the many people around the world that have bought seeds. Here's mine...I got 10 seeds last year in April and planted them in different containers. Two placed in a two gallon pot sprouted pretty quick (about 50 days) but have remained at this initial stage for many months now. Later on two more sprouted each in a bag but both refuse to move beyond the sprouted bud... What, if anything, can be done to move them along...? I got 4 out of 10 to germinate and sprout here in Guanaja, Bay Islands, Honduras. What has been your experience...?   


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Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: starling on January 06, 2014, 04:08:29 PM
Australia:

Can handle mild sun, but prefers part or full shade. Responds well to high humidity, and will do better in a greenhouse atmosphere. I believe they are picky about soil moisture, and it is important to not over water or let soil mixture dry out. Cannot comment of frost tolerance, as mine have never been exposed to this and never will be, for that matter.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on January 06, 2014, 05:20:58 PM
Usually germination is close to 100%, but they don't all germinate at same time, so you will probably get more growing later. They prefer some filtered sunlight when small. They are slow growing at first but will speed up when they get to be about one meter tall. Suggest using slow release or regular fertilizing to speed them up. Foliar feeding is also very helpful to get them growing faster and healthier.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on January 06, 2014, 05:29:28 PM
My own experience is : Seeds have a very large life , will even germinate after several months just laying around , normally germination is after 1 month .
A few years ago I send 350 seeds to India , almost 100% germination was reported later . Some of the seeds I mailed this year arrived germinating ( a little bud showing )
Over the next couple of months the plant grows slow but steady , one year olds should be about 20 to 25 cm tall. ( no special soil and regular watering once a week , not during the rainy season July trough October , since I have lots of plants I kinda neglect them forgetting to water sometimes during more than a month , they are not affected by this , but seedlings ( very long taproot ) planted in a 25 cm wide and 50 to 60 cm deep container with improved soil , regular fertilizing and coffee grinds added really thrive and are almost double the size .
I got good feedback from super wet locations ( New Guinea ) and from super dry locations ( Dubai )

Bonakion , your plants should be a lot bigger now ....
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on January 06, 2014, 05:41:37 PM
From my small observations, i think Luc is right and this might be one of the toughest and hardiest of the garcinias (really a Rheedia in my opinion). The seeds are similar to Garcinia xanthochymus in that they can sit around for months totally dry and still be able to sprout. I'm really looking forward to tasting this fruit some day!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Ethan on January 06, 2014, 08:36:46 PM
Garcinia vleerackerii  8) gets some direct but mostly very bright filtered sunlight here, can handle dry to wet soil, have been down in the low 30F/upper 20F and up to 110F+.  One of the most resilient garcinia/rheedias I have growing. 

Thanks again Luc!

BTW, 100% germination from a couple different orders.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: kimi on January 06, 2014, 11:38:27 PM
My seeds from two separate orders (May, and then a July order) are still popping up all the time.  The ones in a bright sunny location out of direct sun are doing great.  Have two getting morning sun that broke the soil surface but hasn't done much more since.  But germination is approaching 100% for me too.

Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: CoPlantNut on January 07, 2014, 03:12:52 AM
I believe I've had 51/52 seeds germinate so far since July (though I sent a few away, it sounds like they all germinated); I've been playing with grafting them together for multiple-rootstock plants and some are now pushing their 4th flush of growth.  I'm not attempting to test their cold-hardiness though; they've been above 70 F their whole lives.

Since I've been beheading seedlings for grafting, I've been re-attaching them with success so far on G. intermedia and G. sp. 'achachairu'; some of these scions are now preparing their 3rd growth flush since grafting.  I have no idea about long-term compatibility, but they seem happy so far...

   Kevin
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on January 07, 2014, 10:18:20 AM
Glad to hear the ' Mexicans ' are adapting very well far away from their home country....
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Bonakyon on January 07, 2014, 10:26:54 AM

Bonakion , your plants should be a lot bigger now ....

Luc, I will try the coffee grounds and also try a slow release fert and foliar feeding as Oscar suggests. I will also place them where they can get some more filtered sunlight to see if that will help. I may have over watered the seeds before sprouting. I lost some to rot. I must say I am a bit disappointed to hear everyone getting close to 100% germination and I got 40%, but, I am happy to have 4 that I hope will make it to maturity.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: n125242980005 on January 07, 2014, 11:07:51 AM
Hi everybody.

I'm from Taiwan.
I bought 50 seeds from Luc in may .
Seeds almost 100% germination and I grow them part of shade.

Now is winter in Taiwan.
Though 49F but they still good.

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(15cm/7month)

Hoping everybody grows well.

Leo
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: mikesid on January 07, 2014, 11:09:36 AM
I thought a couple of mine didn't germinate, so I threw the pots in a pile to re-use them and never took care of them. After another month I noticed they began to sprout. So, some seem to germinate much later than others. I even found one sprouting in a pile of compost because I dumped one of the pots in the bin thinking it was rotted...
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: edself65 on January 07, 2014, 10:16:22 PM
Luc's Mexican Garcinia is one of the easiest plants to grow in my opinion! It doesn't care if the soil is to dry or to wet or to cold. The first year I sprouted some seeds I forgot and left them out of my greenhouse. It got down into the mid 20's F that night and did not hurt my 6 inch seedlings at all! It is a must grow for all garcinia/rheedia collectors! I have rarely got less than 100% germination rate. I also found if you remove the thin skin from the seeds they will sprout 2 to 3 weeks faster. They seem to do best with afternoon shade the first couple years and then transition to full Sun. Also regular watering and heavy leaf mulch makes them happy. I saw the growth pace pick up after the 2nd to 3rd year! Also I killed my oldest and largest plant trying to get greedy and push growth with to much fertilizer.

Just my experience.

Ed in Texas
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on January 08, 2014, 02:05:33 PM
Ed , so the plant that flowered is the one you killed ?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: edself65 on January 08, 2014, 02:20:55 PM
Yes Luc I tried to push it to hard and fast! It didn't like the heavy dose of fertilizer that I hit it with. I got a couple more that might flower soon.

Ed
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on January 08, 2014, 03:42:55 PM
Yes Luc I tried to push it to hard and fast! It didn't like the heavy dose of fertilizer that I hit it with. I got a couple more that might flower soon.

Ed
Ed, please let us know how much fertilizer is too much fertilizer for this plant?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: edself65 on January 08, 2014, 04:36:34 PM
Oscar it was a strong drench of Peters Plant Food. I went back to using osmacote with out issues. Slow release seems fine.

Ed
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: micah on February 04, 2014, 11:43:57 AM
Here my Luc's Garcinia's.  in Hawaii...they seem to like their new home :)....mahalo Luc!  98% germination...no fertilizer..just rain water...cinder/potting soil mix.
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Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Soren on February 04, 2014, 02:55:37 PM
Glad to hear the ' Mexicans ' are adapting very well far away from their home country....

Luc old friend; your babies in Uganda are doing fine, like Oscar I look forward to sink my teeth into a ripe fruit one day...
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: NaturalGreenthumb on May 01, 2014, 12:26:24 AM
Any other growing experiences from planters from years prior?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: gunnar429 on May 01, 2014, 09:34:21 AM
Besides Luc, who has the biggest/oldest tree?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on May 01, 2014, 09:52:26 AM
Besides Luc, who has the biggest/oldest tree?

Maybe Bryan Brunner or Sadhu in PR .
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Future on May 13, 2014, 03:20:12 PM
I am now the proud owner of one of these seeds.  Can anyone point me to a picture/description of a "Mexican Garcinia"?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Future on May 13, 2014, 03:27:04 PM
I am now the proud owner of one of these seeds.  Can anyone point me to a picture/description of a "Mexican Garcinia"?


Never mind.  Found it:

I've got 5 of Luc's garcinias in the ground and another 2 waiting to find a spot for them. They're not as old or tall as yours Ed, but growing nicely. This plant seems really hardy to me compared to others in this family. Remember that it is really a Rheedia, and i think that all Rheedias, with possible exception of R. magnifolia, are self pollinating.
This fruit is not only much better tasting but also about 3x bigger than the treasured achachairu. Here is a photo comparing the two side by side:
 

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Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: mikesid on May 13, 2014, 04:02:07 PM
I just found two more pop up after a year in some soil I reused for a jackfruit seedling. So now I have %100 germination on 50 seeds. I have one that I planted in full sun right after germination that is growing the fastest. It's planted along my canal bank and has ten leaves on it so far. All my other ones have between 2-6 leaves. Over watering in pots causes mine to 'pout' or get droopy. These are definitely a resilient and tough plant.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: NaturalGreenthumb on May 13, 2014, 04:05:41 PM
To you plants gurus.

Anyone have an educated guess as to whether  the Mexican Garcinias will fruit in California?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 13, 2014, 04:12:59 PM
To you plants gurus.

Anyone have an educated guess as to whether  the Mexican Garcinias will fruit in California?

it will fruit in CA...provided you don't let it freeze (below 25-27F, prolonged)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: eduardo_98 on May 13, 2014, 05:56:24 PM
I got a mexican garcinia last year and was 4 months old when i got it and now it just put out its 2 set of leaves
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on May 14, 2014, 05:16:23 AM
Have several trees in the ground all about 5 feet tall and growing happily.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: stuartdaly88 on May 14, 2014, 08:59:41 AM
I got a mexican garcinia last year and was 4 months old when i got it and now it just put out its 2 set of leaves

It's only putting out its second set of true leaves and is over 6 months?
How slow starting is mexican garcinia? Even some of my  mangosteens are putting out their second set of leaves and  they are 1.5months

I am excitedly awaiting seeds from Luc and can't wait to get them! I love opening theail box to find seeds I always drop everything to plant/bag them that minute:)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: RICBITAR on August 31, 2014, 07:40:49 PM
Garcinia sp. Mexico, 4 years old


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Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 19, 2015, 08:10:52 PM
today I took Luc's advice, and planted my 25 gal tree. (Garcinia vleerackerii  :D )

it was planted in some really heavy soil, and as a result, I couldn't get the root ball out of the pot without it falling apart....so I just planted it in the ground, in the pot.  I was afraid to plant it out, but when I heard Luc say, it can take a flood, I was no longer worried about it.  The spot it's in is a wet area...with rich acid soil...and it's close to the house, so I can run a heater and protect it if need be.

I'm excited to post an update with new growth later this year...I think it's close to fruiting size.


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Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 19, 2015, 08:20:16 PM
Funny, I just plopped mine into the ground a couple of days ago too. Did notice that the roots aren't that vigorous and the rootball was flmsy. Mine is somewhere around 3.5 feet tall in the ground.

The ones I've grown have been pretty tough. Don't seem to mind much of anything: cold, drought, too much water. Tough little buggers.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: stuartdaly88 on March 20, 2015, 02:04:51 AM
Eish but these guys are slow from seed!
Achairachus that germinated the same time and under the exact same conditions have double the height and amount of leaves.
My largest one just greening up its third set of leaves which are double the size of the last teo but looks like its pushing a fourth set back to back :)
Some of my other ones are just as old but still sitting on the original 2 leave:(
Another one still only started with a solitary leaf off the bat. Another one is pushing its third set but the plant in general is tiny compared to others.

Is there alot of variation in this garcinia or is it pretty uniform when its past seedling phase?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: starling1 on March 20, 2015, 05:42:35 AM
Eish but these guys are slow from seed!
Achairachus that germinated the same time and under the exact same conditions have double the height and amount of leaves.
My largest one just greening up its third set of leaves which are double the size of the last teo but looks like its pushing a fourth set back to back :)
Some of my other ones are just as old but still sitting on the original 2 leave:(
Another one still only started with a solitary leaf off the bat. Another one is pushing its third set but the plant in general is tiny compared to others.

Is there alot of variation in this garcinia or is it pretty uniform when its past seedling phase?

That's about right Stuart. They're slow as hell, which is the case for all garcinia but luc's is the slowest I've experienced.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: stuartdaly88 on March 20, 2015, 06:06:04 AM
Eish but these guys are slow from seed!
Achairachus that germinated the same time and under the exact same conditions have double the height and amount of leaves.
My largest one just greening up its third set of leaves which are double the size of the last teo but looks like its pushing a fourth set back to back :)
Some of my other ones are just as old but still sitting on the original 2 leave:(
Another one still only started with a solitary leaf off the bat. Another one is pushing its third set but the plant in general is tiny compared to others.

Is there alot of variation in this garcinia or is it pretty uniform when its past seedling phase?

That's about right Stuart. They're slow as hell, which is the case for all garcinia but luc's is the slowest I've experienced.
Ok thanks Starling good to know this is natural and not something Im doing wrong!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on March 20, 2015, 06:38:03 AM
Eish but these guys are slow from seed!
Achairachus that germinated the same time and under the exact same conditions have double the height and amount of leaves.
My largest one just greening up its third set of leaves which are double the size of the last teo but looks like its pushing a fourth set back to back :)
Some of my other ones are just as old but still sitting on the original 2 leave:(
Another one still only started with a solitary leaf off the bat. Another one is pushing its third set but the plant in general is tiny compared to others.

Is there alot of variation in this garcinia or is it pretty uniform when its past seedling phase?

That's about right Stuart. They're slow as hell, which is the case for all garcinia but luc's is the slowest I've experienced.

Mangosteen and cherapu are definitely slower growing than Mexican garcinia.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: DurianLover on March 20, 2015, 06:58:43 AM
Mangosteen and cherapu are definitely slower growing than Mexican garcinia.

That not my case. Mangosten Master variety very vigorous by mangosteen standarts. About 2 feet tall after 15 months. Lots of thick foliage. Heck, i might even fruit it in 2 years :P. Local Sri Lankan mangosteens much slower growing. About the same speed as Mexican, which is train wreck in motion. Hard to judge on cherapu, because they are 5 months apart from Mecican, but seem to be much nicer looking with more dark green foliage.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: stuartdaly88 on March 20, 2015, 07:54:28 AM
Before I fried them in my growtent and an over ambitious 400watt HPS the mangosteen were much faster, for me anyway! Maybe thats only true when they are so young <1 year
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Vernmented on March 21, 2015, 02:17:53 PM
I just planted mine out yesterday. I gave it a sort of organic royal treatment. Lots of AACT activated biochar, greensand, azomite, lava sand, extra wormy worm castings, food scraps deep down, a little fish and seaweed emulsion, and mycorrhizae on the roots. You can see I like HEAVY layers of mulch. I bought this little guy from Flying Fox about 6 weeks ago and I left it out in full sun when I got home and it got some leaf burn. It is planted in full sun zone 9B in Sarasota, FL about 8 miles inland from the bay. If it is still struggling after it settles in I will try dropping the pH a bit. I'll post some progress photos later.
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Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: nullzero on March 21, 2015, 03:51:29 PM
I just planted mine out yesterday. I gave it a sort of organic royal treatment. Lots of AACT activated biochar, greensand, azomite, lava sand, extra wormy worm castings, food scraps deep down, a little fish and seaweed emulsion, and mycorrhizae on the roots. You can see I like HEAVY layers of mulch. I bought this little guy from Flying Fox about 6 weeks ago and I left it out in full sun when I got home and it got some leaf burn. It is planted in full sun zone 9B in Sarasota, FL about 8 miles inland from the bay. If it is still struggling after it settles in I will try dropping the pH a bit. I'll post some progress photos later.

You need some shade cloth asap. Was probably growing in a more filtered sunlight environment prior (in a greenhouse/hoop house).
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Vernmented on March 21, 2015, 04:32:06 PM
I just planted mine out yesterday. I gave it a sort of organic royal treatment. Lots of AACT activated biochar, greensand, azomite, lava sand, extra wormy worm castings, food scraps deep down, a little fish and seaweed emulsion, and mycorrhizae on the roots. You can see I like HEAVY layers of mulch. I bought this little guy from Flying Fox about 6 weeks ago and I left it out in full sun when I got home and it got some leaf burn. It is planted in full sun zone 9B in Sarasota, FL about 8 miles inland from the bay. If it is still struggling after it settles in I will try dropping the pH a bit. I'll post some progress photos later.

You need some shade cloth asap. Was probably growing in a more filtered sunlight environment prior (in a greenhouse/hoop house).
Yeah, it definitely came straight out of the hoop house. It has already been blasted by direct full sun for six weeks so I figured the damage was done. It looks pretty happy besides the brown edges. If they brown up some more I'll put some shade cloth out. I wanted to test a full sun planting with a little plant but I should have hardened it off right away. It seems like the larger plants like full sun but many people keep these somewhat shaded.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: buddyguygreen on March 21, 2015, 09:12:46 PM
Growing great here in central florida, i have most of them in full sun no burning so im guessing its the really dank soil i have them in that stays pretty moist but has good drainage, about 5.7-6.1 PH with every trace mineral, mushroom, microbes and their cousins. most germinated in a week or two but a few took a month to almost 3 months. The oldest is about 6 months old.

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Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Vernmented on March 25, 2015, 12:39:09 AM
Growing great here in central florida, i have most of them in full sun no burning so im guessing its the really dank soil i have them in that stays pretty moist but has good drainage, about 5.7-6.1 PH with every trace mineral, mushroom, microbes and their cousins. most germinated in a week or two but a few took a month to almost 3 months. The oldest is about 6 months old.

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Nice! I like your style. Good to know the little guys are taking full sun close by.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Future on March 25, 2015, 05:47:54 PM
Glad to do say my plant has survived.  For a second it looked like a goner. Now it has resprouted from a bare green stem and has two leaves. 
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Coconut on March 26, 2015, 04:02:27 PM
Wow a Lucangosteen Anonymous Support Group, can I joint?😄


Here is 2014 seedling class a year ago! 
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They were grown in partial sun in the juvenile stage where I find there growth more robust.  As you can see seedling grown on pure recycle mulch on worm cast, seaweed & age urine diet in a large diameter outperform those grown in a smaller pot with Miracle Grow Moist retention peat moss mix.  As you can see there are great genetic variations even in one class from 2014. 


(http://s27.postimg.cc/km7a5cqzj/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/km7a5cqzj/)

(http://s27.postimg.cc/sdo03wv4v/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/sdo03wv4v/)both yearling 2014'was in a normal 3 gallon pot & a three gallon aeropot with peat moss soil mix & osmocote!

(http://s16.postimg.cc/go5uw3ljl/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/go5uw3ljl/)2011 seedling in Ground, it appears this is a natural dwarf.

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It appears the larger the diameter in its nursery pot and fed with organic substrate & organic fertilizer, it outperform the chemical & custom peat moss soiless mix.  Grown in our sandy soil, seeds were attack by grubs and seedling growth were slow or not as robust as in pot culture during their first three years juvenile phase.

Third year they should be plant out at this state they will explode in full Sun.  Luc point out they love Moisture and I notice fastest growth during cooler weather as compare of summer heat here in Boca Raton, Florida!  I should think these guys should be more happier in the Central Florida than here in South Florida base upon my limited experience so far with Lucangosteen!  I recall hearing a guy in Texas had his flowering fifth year; wondering did fruit  set?😃
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: nullzero on March 26, 2015, 04:48:58 PM
Coconut,

Very nice, I see you using superoots (airpruning) type containers and good organic fertilizers. I started using my own diluted fermented urine for the plants, it works out well. I just have to remember to restrict the salt intake and increase water consumption a couple days prior to using. I have been using Urine, Fish bone meal, and Sea Kelp powder for the NPK (getting great results).

I wanted to get into worm farming but have not got around to it yet. I will update with pictures soon from the FL house on how the in ground Luc's is doing. I also have a Luc's in container. So far plant seems really adaptable and great grower. Luc's is spreading around, this tree is not going to go extinct anytime soon. Hopefully can introduce more great genetics on this Garcinia sp. from the wild (before the area gets chopped down and farmed, like most suitable growing areas of the world).
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Coconut on March 26, 2015, 08:25:58 PM
Coconut,

Very nice, I see you using superoots (airpruning) type containers and good organic fertilizers. I started using my own diluted fermented urine for the plants, it works out well. I just have to remember to restrict the salt intake and increase water consumption a couple days prior to using. I have been using Urine, Fish bone meal, and Sea Kelp powder for the NPK (getting great results).

I wanted to get into worm farming but have not got around to it yet. I will update with pictures soon from the FL house on how the in ground Luc's is doing. I also have a Luc's in container. So far plant seems really adaptable and great grower. Luc's is spreading around, this tree is not going to go extinct anytime soon. Hopefully can introduce more great genetics on this Garcinia sp. from the wild (before the area gets chopped down and farmed, like most suitable growing areas of the world).

Worm farming is easy, I go on line and fill out every catalog companies or company that send out catalogs. From construction industry to everything under the Sun.  Than the Postal Ladiy would put it on my front door, nice to live in a gated community were no one can steal your trash!  On trash night I take my four wheel dumpster cart and collected recycle paper & magazine bin thrown out with my HOA blessing.
(http://s16.postimg.cc/cunxqu85t/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/cunxqu85t/)
Mixed the papers in a five gallon bucket & fill it half with water, then pee in their till half full.  Ghe Amonia will soften the cellulose.  After a week dump it tight under a favorite fruit tree.

(http://s30.postimg.cc/oek6leyt9/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/oek6leyt9/)box get walk over & moist by sprinkler , once you find worm feeding under neath ready to throw onder tree in layer. 

(http://s30.postimg.cc/zcvg3lnel/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/zcvg3lnel/)Burmese Blood SA

(http://s30.postimg.cc/ftquu8on1/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ftquu8on1/)Duku

(http://s30.postimg.cc/mvosgfs8t/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/mvosgfs8t/)whitman fiberless

(http://s30.postimg.cc/yi8whkfjx/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/yi8whkfjx/)Phet Pakchong

Some people choose to put the paper in fancy worm box, I just use simple Redneck High Technology! No smell, a week later, lift up the pile, collect the worm caste for feeding Lucangosteen seedlings. Keep pile moist in no time of three-week the pile is gone.  Your Whitman fiberless would smile with setting fruit!  Cost you nothing for fertilizer, Postal system delivery the next batch to make.  Always ferment paper with urine & add water; doing this create practically no smell.  No HOA letter in 30 Years! Give home grown worm caste a try to make your Lucangosteen grow & shine like mine!🌟

Hope Luc can get me a batch for 2015 & maybe the phantom orange strain!😩
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Chandramohan on March 27, 2015, 03:04:50 PM
Luc, Do you have any Mexican Garcinia seeds to spare?
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Post by: micah on March 28, 2015, 12:00:56 AM
Thanks everyone Great information and pictures.
Here is our experience with the Luc's garcinia from last seasons seeds.  Mahalo Luc!!! At aunties house.  At first full sun..she got sunburned on third set of leaves...so we put our papaya taro circle around her...now she is happy :)...papayas are sexing time to thin out males and let the light in..in a few months we harvest the taro and lucangosteen will be boosting out of her shade temple. Also we put loafs of cooked horse poop on outer circle..even a few comfrey plants popped up in good spots around circle.


(http://s8.postimg.cc/mkj9roj4h/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/mkj9roj4h/)

(http://s8.postimg.cc/imw029wb5/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/imw029wb5/)
No they don't grow horizontal , the pics are sideways
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Post by: Bush2Beach on March 28, 2015, 11:45:49 AM
Nice protection Micah, I like that style.
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Post by: gunnar429 on March 28, 2015, 09:28:51 PM
One of my 2 mexican garcinias got fried during the cold...crazy because it was only 38/39 F  and a lot of other seedlings that were fried, have started to resprout...it has 2 leaves that are entirely light brown with green midribs.  Still holding out hope it will push new growth, but it's been about a month and nothing.  My mexican garcinia seedlings (4-5 inches tall) pulled through fine.  Fingers crossed...
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Post by: ScottR on March 29, 2015, 12:23:16 PM

(http://s9.postimg.cc/47d11s6zv/027.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/47d11s6zv/)
I got my seeds from Oscar, kinda slow grower but have a few that same size 8)
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Post by: Bush2Beach on March 29, 2015, 02:28:13 PM
Nice ScottR, my Luc's are my slowest growing Garcinia. I hope they get going when the first branching happens like on my Achaicharu and Lemon Drop. I like the looks of your plant "lab" aka greenhouse.
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Post by: ScottR on March 29, 2015, 10:04:46 PM
Thanks Jonah, they are slow so far can't wait for spurt of growth and yes my lemon drops are same set there kinda growth ;)G.H. works for me not heated in Winter but helps heat house! 
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Post by: gunnar429 on April 02, 2015, 11:35:54 AM
does anyone know if Limoncillo will fruit under shaded conditions (like  some of the other garcinias)?
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Post by: Marsbars on April 02, 2015, 02:01:38 PM
http://www.quisqualis.com/19imbejoy.html (http://www.quisqualis.com/19imbejoy.html) "For best growth and fruit production, keep trees where they get plenty of sunlight, and even though they will tolerate light shade, heavy shade will reduce fruit bearing". This is for Garcinia livingstonei. I claim to be no expert but they are in the same genus. Has anybody else besides Luc brought Mex Garcinia to fruition?
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Post by: fruitlovers on April 02, 2015, 05:41:25 PM
[url]http://www.quisqualis.com/19imbejoy.html[/url] ([url]http://www.quisqualis.com/19imbejoy.html[/url]) "For best growth and fruit production, keep trees where they get plenty of sunlight, and even though they will tolerate light shade, heavy shade will reduce fruit bearing". This is for Garcinia livingstonei. I claim to be no expert but they are in the same genus. Has anybody else besides Luc brought Mex Garcinia to fruition?


I don't know that Luc has brought it into fruition. I think he is just collecting fruits from the wild?
Mars all garcinias are different in how well they will fruit in the shade.
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Post by: luc on April 02, 2015, 08:25:53 PM
[url]http://www.quisqualis.com/19imbejoy.html[/url] ([url]http://www.quisqualis.com/19imbejoy.html[/url]) "For best growth and fruit production, keep trees where they get plenty of sunlight, and even though they will tolerate light shade, heavy shade will reduce fruit bearing". This is for Garcinia livingstonei. I claim to be no expert but they are in the same genus. Has anybody else besides Luc brought Mex Garcinia to fruition?


I don't know that Luc has brought it into fruition. I think he is just collecting fruits from the wild?
Mars all garcinias are different in how well they will fruit in the shade.


Yes Oscar I did have about 10 fruits last year . I only planted one tree that I dug up from the jungle , was 40 - 50 cm and growing under the mother tree .Unfortunately I planted it in the worst soil and place ( landfill and in the shade of palms and bamboo ) It was also topped by one of the workers . All the pictures of flowers that I posted are from that tree . Since there are enough in the wild I totally neglect and abuse this tree ( a cruel experiment , I know ....) I also opened up this tree pruning kinda like Adam does with his jaboticabas to let more light in and keep the tree at 3 meters . I am not sure if this is a good idea  so don't you all start doing the same thing . Anyway the tree didn't mind and is growing strong . Water table in that area is at 1 to 1.50 meter so it is getting his own water . Again this year it had a zillion of flowers , did I ever mention you can smell them from far away ... but due to the very open form it has now and these unusual torrential rains during the flowering they all dropped . I must admit I still collected 1 fruit , was laying on they ground only 6 cm and half green , I let it ripen a week inside and ate it .... was perfect ....If the Australians ever taste this , they gonna get rid of their achachas , and I am not exaggerating .
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Post by: Raulglezruiz on April 02, 2015, 09:51:30 PM
does anyone know if Limoncillo will fruit under shaded conditions (like  some of the other garcinias)?
Jeff they do fruit in shade, the wild trees loaded with fruits are in the middle of the jungle with several trees  in proximity all around, I think they actually like shade.....
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: gunnar429 on April 02, 2015, 11:28:41 PM
does anyone know if Limoncillo will fruit under shaded conditions (like  some of the other garcinias)?
Jeff they do fruit in shade, the wild trees loaded with fruits are in the middle of the jungle with several trees  in proximity all around, I think they actually like shade.....

woohoo, i have just the spot!!!  Thanks, Raul. 
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on April 03, 2015, 11:52:26 AM
I find that trees in the shade produce less but bigger fruit , some of the huge producers are in full sun with an average of 7 cm fruits . The picture I posted a few times with the Bolivian Achachairu for size comparison came from a shaded tree.

Here it is again .
(http://s23.postimg.cc/z9p03zouf/achachairu_limoncillo_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/z9p03zouf/)
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Post by: Coconut on April 03, 2015, 12:47:20 PM
I find that trees in the shade produce less but bigger fruit , some of the huge producers are in full sun with an average of 7 cm fruits . The picture I posted a few times with the Bolivian Achachairu for size comparison came from a shaded tree.

Here it is again .
([url]http://s23.postimg.cc/z9p03zouf/achachairu_limoncillo_1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/z9p03zouf/[/url])


Fantastic Info Luc & Raul.  I had a hunch and plant the 2011 natural dwarf next to my ten feet Robusta coffee trees.  If it turn out well we can definitely intercrop them with coffee and nex the Banana for added value in premium coffee highlant plantation culure regiments.  A larger fruit in the shade will fetch top dollar in Japan & Northern China!😘 So in future can Batman (Luc) & Robin (Raul) keep an eyes on the large fruiting strain to us breeder, Thank you very much in advance!😃
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Post by: Raulglezruiz on April 03, 2015, 02:35:42 PM
I find that trees in the shade produce less but bigger fruit , some of the huge producers are in full sun with an average of 7 cm fruits . The picture I posted a few times with the Bolivian Achachairu for size comparison came from a shaded tree.

Here it is again .
([url]http://s23.postimg.cc/z9p03zouf/achachairu_limoncillo_1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/z9p03zouf/[/url])
Luc the guys of available seeds. Com got your famous pic with the achachas,  they are also selling the Luc Limoncillo  seeds...
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Raulglezruiz on April 03, 2015, 02:38:41 PM
I find that trees in the shade produce less but bigger fruit , some of the huge producers are in full sun with an average of 7 cm fruits . The picture I posted a few times with the Bolivian Achachairu for size comparison came from a shaded tree.

Here it is again .
([url]http://s23.postimg.cc/z9p03zouf/achachairu_limoncillo_1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/z9p03zouf/[/url])
Luc the guys of available seeds. Com got your famous pic with the achachas,  they are also selling the Luc Limoncillo  seeds...
how can that be possible?  There's no seeds this year unless they bought from you last year!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on April 03, 2015, 07:01:09 PM
 
I find that trees in the shade produce less but bigger fruit , some of the huge producers are in full sun with an average of 7 cm fruits . The picture I posted a few times with the Bolivian Achachairu for size comparison came from a shaded tree.

Here it is again .
([url]http://s23.postimg.cc/z9p03zouf/achachairu_limoncillo_1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/z9p03zouf/[/url])
Luc the guys of available seeds. Com got your famous pic with the achachas,  they are also selling the Luc Limoncillo  seeds...
I find that trees in the shade produce less but bigger fruit , some of the huge producers are in full sun with an average of 7 cm fruits . The picture I posted a few times with the Bolivian Achachairu for size comparison came from a shaded tree.

Here it is again .
([url]http://s23.postimg.cc/z9p03zouf/achachairu_limoncillo_1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/z9p03zouf/[/url])
Luc the guys of available seeds. Com got your famous pic with the achachas,  they are also selling the Luc Limoncillo  seeds...
how can that be possible?  There's no seeds this year unless they bought from you last year!


Raul , that is Ricardo , we traded a lot last year , yes those are 2014 seeds .
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Post by: mwambao on April 03, 2015, 07:55:24 PM
I find that trees in the shade produce less but bigger fruit , some of the huge producers are in full sun with an average of 7 cm fruits . The picture I posted a few times with the Bolivian Achachairu for size comparison came from a shaded tree.

Here it is again .
([url]http://s23.postimg.cc/z9p03zouf/achachairu_limoncillo_1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/z9p03zouf/[/url])
Luc the guys of available seeds. Com got your famous pic with the achachas,  they are also selling the Luc Limoncillo  seeds...

Went to the site the picture is there but it says out of stock.
how can that be possible?  There's no seeds this year unless they bought from you last year!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on April 03, 2015, 11:04:15 PM
I am going to repost this here as i realize i posted it in wrong thread about Lucangosteen. Sorry if you've already seen it.

I took this photo today. It is of the largest of a row of Lucangosteens i have planted. This plant is about 7 feet tall. The others a bit smaller. They are in full sun.
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/GarciniaMexican.jpg)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on April 04, 2015, 03:54:57 PM
Beautiful plant Oscar , BTW I don't like this Lucangosteen name
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Post by: Coconut on April 04, 2015, 07:04:56 PM
Beautiful plant Oscar , BTW I don't like this Lucangosteen name

Stop Whining & Crying Luc your fame for eternity on your discovery is much generously appreciated by all! But it is not your choice to dictate what its marketing name will be; I selected that name to explain to the Taitung Taipans why they should ditch the crappy money loosing petite Achacharu investments in Australia and go with the Mexican Garcinia in Taiwan &  Northern Vietnam.  I am donating all of my south american garcinias to a local Botanical garden plus one Lucangosteen to be mark there for the world to see; its like staking a flag on the Moon.

Unfortunately Mentioning anything Mexican in Asia at this time bring up a negative connotation of Cartel, Drugs & failures of Government to protect its citizen safety or inferior produces lace with unsafe Monsanto Excess; I am sure they do that in Asia with Monsanto too. But for Premium fruit for high end market, your image is very important..

It will be a marketing name like Kiwi Fruit for the weedy Chinese Gooseberry unfashionable to eat in South China until for the New Zealander making it chic during Soviet Time with evil Communist Red China.  Its hard to sell it as Mexican Garcinia, Garcinia veleerackerii, limoncello or Luc's Mexica Garcinia; or what ever pig Latin the Botanist World choose.  I live in the real world, For the Chinese, Japanese buyers they like the Lucangosteen moniker better because the well heel know what a purple Mangosteen is not (Garcinia Mangostana even though we all know that its western scientific name); having to sell Limoncello sound like too much cheapo Jello flavor desert here in US that Asians find a dislike too; especially common served to US hospital patients or worse memory of US occupation & SPAM became a favorite gift in Asia but Limoncello Jello invites quite a beating off insult! Notice lately these put fancy Spanish name on common boring food to make it exciting!😱 Example Bouf Steak Ranchero burrito, ate one of these was neither french beef, road killed on some one ranch and it was just a rice bean manufactured beef ( soybean & beef gris) wheat wrap after eating the fart send me into The Martian's Orbit I am just lucky to make it back to finish telling you my rant which is better to decipher than most eccentric here!🙊

Moreover with all the Garcinia debates what to name garcinia humilis, Garcinia humping camelis, G. brazilensis. G. String etc; 😸my buyers dont give a dam!  They want something common sense to make money in a commoditized business.  My Pumelo brackist water from Hope Sound Estates is sweeter than the Lake Wale Estate even thought its the same dam Pumelo selected by a Taiwanese Breeder; we call it Gold Snob Pumelo & our buyers ask for it! Man do I have to tell you about the Brocoli trade on the US Eastern Seabord!  The Buyers in New York pay 50% more than Lake Wales Estate & produce in l'etates-unis.  You know dam well 25 acres just on one farm is no estates but it sound better! A thousand hectare now that is an estate!  Marketing is everything, what stick in a consumer head stay with them.  The language of international trade is English not the dead latin language for now.  In fifty years who know the Chinese Century, scientific publications will be in Chinese whether you like it or not; I am practicing Mandarin, cause all the investors  flying into a Seattle Based Geoduck/Oyster farm spoke only it; they have 100 mill, I need only 10 mill to buy the Operation & yes I will speak the worst Mandarin that will injure everyone to come out of my mouth but They will appreciate my respect for Chinese hegemony!🍊

You come up with a better common sense name Luc  digestable to the North Asian Affluent Markets and we will trade mark it if worth anything like Dole for Pineapple & Chiquita for Banana, Idaho for Potatoes.  Fruit farming aint easy and the margin is razor thin, a good name can make a different if you want to dominate it earlier on & than dump it on Wallstreet(I work for Goldman Sach for seven years before I retired early in 2000; spinning an IPO on a company no one know is a mystery, but to cover write for a client and a success underwriting is very difficult work and not everyone will survive the gaunlet of commerce. I certainly know all about that since my wife sold her company be ause of a wise name she used 30 years ago to one of the world largest internet brand.   Right now I tell them a Lucangosteen its like a mangosteen but its yellow, fruit large like the Goose that laid the Golden egg than Achacharu; Chinese Investors know this Aesop Fable very well!😾 If I was selling Marijuana I will call it Alcapulca Gold and the High End Japanese & Chinese markets will know it high quality shit from Mexico! Happy Easter Luc, we will Market the Lucangosteen as part of the North American Easter Egg Hunting tradition, now can you find me strain that ripe before Easter?😺✌️
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on April 04, 2015, 08:41:30 PM
Coconut , I humbly bow my head and kneel reading your marketing expertise ....Why the heck didn't you tell me all this in the beginning , I could have asked a fortune for these seeds and would be driving this Ferrari I always wanted .
With TLC the Lucangosteen can be fruited before Easter , I had a few already , after I got over my orgasm ( my wife accused me of watching porn because of my OMG , OMG yes more ) I started to think about all these lucky people all over the world who will , one day , have the same experience .
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 04, 2015, 09:02:00 PM
"Luc's Garcinia" is what I've been calling it...(not sure what name will end up sticking)

the name Lucangosteen....(reminds me of the character from mortal kombat, Liu Kang)

what about LucLucairu?  :P

http://youtu.be/YtBNePGlOTo (http://youtu.be/YtBNePGlOTo)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: nullzero on April 05, 2015, 02:42:10 AM
Wouldn't Lucosteen be a little better since its shorter name?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on April 05, 2015, 05:01:20 AM
Polling please.  8)
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Post by: palologrower on April 05, 2015, 06:15:14 AM
Man everyone talks about this fruit.  Looks like I need tomgrow this one!
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Post by: bangkok on April 05, 2015, 06:58:59 AM
But is that achachairu exactly the same fruit as the achacha from Australia? 
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: stuartdaly88 on April 05, 2015, 07:10:35 AM
But is that achachairu exactly the same fruit as the achacha from Australia?
Bangkok this is a completely different species to Achachairu entirely hailing from Mexico it doesn't even look much like Achachairu and is much bigger. From what iv read on the forum near tennis ball size I think?
Of all my seedlings I would have to say I am most excited about this one! But many many years to go still as mine are only abit under a year old:(
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Post by: ScottR on April 05, 2015, 10:37:32 AM
Polling please.  8)
I  would think it's up to Luc to name it! I also use ' Luc's g\Garcinia'
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: bangkok on April 05, 2015, 10:43:14 AM
But is that achachairu exactly the same fruit as the achacha from Australia?
Bangkok this is a completely different species to Achachairu entirely hailing from Mexico it doesn't even look much like Achachairu and is much bigger. From what iv read on the forum near tennis ball size I think?
Of all my seedlings I would have to say I am most excited about this one! But many many years to go still as mine are only abit under a year old:(

I mean the achachairu that is on the pic together with luc's mangosteen.

Because there seem to be more fruits called achachairu and they also come in different shapes.

Luc said his mangosteen tastes better then an achacha from Australia so i wondered if he really had an achacha from Australia or he compared it with an achachairu from South america.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on April 05, 2015, 11:47:23 AM
But is that achachairu exactly the same fruit as the achacha from Australia?
Bangkok this is a completely different species to Achachairu entirely hailing from Mexico it doesn't even look much like Achachairu and is much bigger. From what iv read on the forum near tennis ball size I think?
Of all my seedlings I would have to say I am most excited about this one! But many many years to go still as mine are only abit under a year old:(

I mean the achachairu that is on the pic together with luc's mangosteen.

Bangkok , the achachairu in the pic with the Mex . Garcinia is from seeds from Bolivia . Over there a lot of these fruits are called achachairu ,we had several posts about that already . It is the same variety that is grown in Australia .

Because there seem to be more fruits called achachairu and they also come in different shapes.

Luc said his mangosteen tastes better then an achacha from Australia so i wondered if he really had an achacha from Australia or he compared it with an achachairu from South america.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on April 05, 2015, 12:00:02 PM
Polling please.  8)

Good idea Oscar , we are also still stuck with the scientific name . After talking to some guys from Mex. universities we kinda agreed that it could be a subspecies of G. intermedia ( they really don't know either )

The common name should be short if possible a hint to the real mangosteen .
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: EvilFruit on April 05, 2015, 12:45:45 PM
Polling please.  8)


Good idea Oscar , we are also still stuck with the scientific name . After talking to some guys from Mex. universities we kinda agreed that it could be a subspecies of G. intermedia ( they really don't know either )

The common name should be short if possible a hint to the real mangosteen .


What do you think of this nickname ?
Luc Vleeracker Osteen

Luvraosteen.


http://lv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luvra (http://lv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luvra)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: buddyguygreen on April 05, 2015, 01:12:26 PM
how about lucosteen or manglucsteen or even mexosteen ;D
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Post by: edself65 on April 05, 2015, 06:33:04 PM
Limoncillo
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Post by: gunnar429 on April 05, 2015, 08:02:40 PM
Limoncillo
+1
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: bangkok on April 06, 2015, 12:31:51 AM
But is that achachairu exactly the same fruit as the achacha from Australia?
Bangkok this is a completely different species to Achachairu entirely hailing from Mexico it doesn't even look much like Achachairu and is much bigger. From what iv read on the forum near tennis ball size I think?
Of all my seedlings I would have to say I am most excited about this one! But many many years to go still as mine are only abit under a year old:(

I mean the achachairu that is on the pic together with luc's mangosteen.

Bangkok , the achachairu in the pic with the Mex . Garcinia is from seeds from Bolivia . Over there a lot of these fruits are called achachairu ,we had several posts about that already . It is the same variety that is grown in Australia .

Because there seem to be more fruits called achachairu and they also come in different shapes.

Luc said his mangosteen tastes better then an achacha from Australia so i wondered if he really had an achacha from Australia or he compared it with an achachairu from South america.


I see, then we can shake hands luc, i also never ate an Aussie achacha, without exaggerating. ;) ;D
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Post by: Luisport on April 06, 2015, 04:52:06 AM
Limoncillo
+1
+2  ;D
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Post by: Waterfall on April 06, 2015, 05:42:55 AM
Luc said his mangosteen tastes better then an achacha from Australia so i wondered if he really had an achacha from Australia or he compared it with an achachairu from South america.

It's the exact same fruit, they just changed the name here for marketing purposes.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on April 06, 2015, 09:31:43 PM
I never tasted an Australian grown Achacha , but the fruit in the pic I posted with the Mex. is the variety that is grown in Australia . The same variety of achachairu is also growing and fruiting in Guatemala and at Raul's and my place .
I had conversations with one of the Bolivian guys involved in this Australian deal , this was mentioned several times in this forum if my memory is right . In Bolivia this type of fruit is commonly called achachairu , just like we would say a mango , they do differentiate them by adding : small , sweet , sour , big , huge to the word Achachairu ....
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 07, 2015, 10:53:23 PM
it seems like there is nobody who has fruited this tree outside of Mexico?

is that true?

if so, there is an international race at hand!

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Post by: Coconut on April 08, 2015, 12:16:14 AM
it seems like there is nobody who has fruited this tree outside of Mexico?

is that true?

if so, there is an international race at hand!

Yuup, I think the Taiwanese have a leg up on Oscar by a thread! What happen to the fella in Texas that said his tree flowered in five years a year ago I recall; did he die & we haven heard from him or maybe his tree die from a Texas Freeze? Luc & Raul need to collect and categorize different strains if that possible base on taste, larger fruit size if applicable beside colors.  Luc this wild fruit, does the natives use the rind for any medicine (ethnobotany)?  Are these fruits sold widely in the region local market Luc?
😃

Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 08, 2015, 12:24:21 AM
yes now I remember, Ed Self had fruit on his a while ago!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: edself65 on April 08, 2015, 02:45:06 AM
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1956.msg44117#msg44117 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1956.msg44117#msg44117)


http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1956.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1956.0)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: gunnar429 on April 09, 2015, 02:39:29 PM
[url]http://www.quisqualis.com/19imbejoy.html[/url] ([url]http://www.quisqualis.com/19imbejoy.html[/url]) "For best growth and fruit production, keep trees where they get plenty of sunlight, and even though they will tolerate light shade, heavy shade will reduce fruit bearing". This is for Garcinia livingstonei. I claim to be no expert but they are in the same genus. Has anybody else besides Luc brought Mex Garcinia to fruition?


I don't know that Luc has brought it into fruition. I think he is just collecting fruits from the wild?
Mars all garcinias are different in how well they will fruit in the shade.


Which Garcinias fruit well in shade (achacha G. intermedia I know)?

Which garcinias need full sun to produce fruit?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Mike T on April 11, 2015, 03:18:04 AM

(http://s9.postimg.cc/uxipv1017/20150411_165629.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/uxipv1017/)
One of mine is outgrowing it's shelter.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: gunnar429 on April 15, 2015, 11:11:58 AM
In the cold snap we had a few months ago, one of my limoncillo (Mex Garcinia) plants looked fried, like it may not make it.  I am happy to report that despite have 1 light brown leaf for 2 months, and literally no area of leaf to make chlorophyll, it has started to come back to life, with 2 tiny leaves waiting to pop.  One of my achachas was also defoliated, but has sprung back pretty well.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: stuartdaly88 on April 15, 2015, 11:30:38 AM
In the cold snap we had a few months ago, one of my limoncillo (Mex Garcinia) plants looked fried, like it may not make it.  I am happy to report that despite have 1 light brown leaf for 2 months, and literally no area of leaf to make chlorophyll, it has started to come back to life, with 2 tiny leaves waiting to pop.  One of my achachas was also defoliated, but has sprung back pretty well.
That's good to hear:)how old is it and how cold did it take?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: gunnar429 on April 15, 2015, 11:43:33 AM
In the cold snap we had a few months ago, one of my limoncillo (Mex Garcinia) plants looked fried, like it may not make it.  I am happy to report that despite have 1 light brown leaf for 2 months, and literally no area of leaf to make chlorophyll, it has started to come back to life, with 2 tiny leaves waiting to pop.  One of my achachas was also defoliated, but has sprung back pretty well.
That's good to hear:)how old is it and how cold did it take?

Not too cold--37 degrees but that spot in the yard was windier I think.  The plant is about 18-24" tall and had about 6 leaves IIRC.  I got it about 13 months ago (last March), so not sure how old it was when I got it. 
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: stuartdaly88 on April 15, 2015, 04:37:31 PM
In the cold snap we had a few months ago, one of my limoncillo (Mex Garcinia) plants looked fried, like it may not make it.  I am happy to report that despite have 1 light brown leaf for 2 months, and literally no area of leaf to make chlorophyll, it has started to come back to life, with 2 tiny leaves waiting to pop.  One of my achachas was also defoliated, but has sprung back pretty well.
That's good to hear:)how old is it and how cold did it take?

Not too cold--37 degrees but that spot in the yard was windier I think.  The plant is about 18-24" tall and had about 6 leaves IIRC.  I got it about 13 months ago (last March), so not sure how old it was when I got it.
Thanks for the info:) this thread is really good for getting the low down on this plant if 37f can cauz leaf drop mine will be staying in a pot unless my next place is a few degrees warmer! Living in this cold river dip really is lame even having a river on the property doesn't make up for it lol
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: gunnar429 on April 15, 2015, 10:04:35 PM
In the cold snap we had a few months ago, one of my limoncillo (Mex Garcinia) plants looked fried, like it may not make it.  I am happy to report that despite have 1 light brown leaf for 2 months, and literally no area of leaf to make chlorophyll, it has started to come back to life, with 2 tiny leaves waiting to pop.  One of my achachas was also defoliated, but has sprung back pretty well.
That's good to hear:)how old is it and how cold did it take?

Yeah, but I have another one, the same size, as well as 4-5 seedlings (5-6 inches tall), and they were all unfazed...I think the west side of my house turned into a frigid wind tunnel or something.

Not too cold--37 degrees but that spot in the yard was windier I think.  The plant is about 18-24" tall and had about 6 leaves IIRC.  I got it about 13 months ago (last March), so not sure how old it was when I got it.
Thanks for the info:) this thread is really good for getting the low down on this plant if 37f can cauz leaf drop mine will be staying in a pot unless my next place is a few degrees warmer! Living in this cold river dip really is lame even having a river on the property doesn't make up for it lol
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on April 16, 2015, 04:58:30 PM
it seems like there is nobody who has fruited this tree outside of Mexico?

is that true?

if so, there is an international race at hand!

The very first people to get seeds were Ed , Bryan Brunner and Sadhu . Ed pampered his tree and I think he ended up with a small fruit a few years ago , aborted when he over-fertilized it . Adam , didn't you get this tree when Ed moved away fro FL ?
Bryan kinda neglected them , I believe his interest is more in Heliconias but now that his son David took over this may change .
Sadhu is the best shot , great climate soil etc....he may have had some fruit , haven't heard from him lately.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: val on April 16, 2015, 11:59:36 PM
My lucs garcinia survived a hard freeze here west of Orlando. The only protection was a blanket and soil banked around the trunk. White sapote, longans, jabo,lychee, black sapote were protected in a similar manner. Those trees took a hit (and are recovering) but the garcinia was not damaged at all. Just to give you an idea, during this freeze, the sprinklers were turned on the citrus trees and it was cold enough for four inch icicles to form.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Coconut on April 17, 2015, 01:26:48 AM
My lucs garcinia survived a hard freeze here west of Orlando. The only protection was a blanket and soil banked around the trunk. White sapote, longans, jabo,lychee, black sapote were protected in a similar manner. Those trees took a hit (and are recovering) but the garcinia was not damaged at all. Just to give you an idea, during this freeze, the sprinklers were turned on the citrus trees and it was cold enough for four inch icicles to form.


Fantastic, I grow mine exposed at  Hidden Hollow North West of Orlando were they laughed at the freeze too!  These guys could replace citrus as a crop in a few decades. 😃
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Luisport on April 17, 2015, 07:09:27 AM
My lucs garcinia survived a hard freeze here west of Orlando. The only protection was a blanket and soil banked around the trunk. White sapote, longans, jabo,lychee, black sapote were protected in a similar manner. Those trees took a hit (and are recovering) but the garcinia was not damaged at all. Just to give you an idea, during this freeze, the sprinklers were turned on the citrus trees and it was cold enough for four inch icicles to form.
Hi Val, how old is your garcinia?  ;)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: val on April 17, 2015, 08:44:23 AM
My lucs garcinia survived a hard freeze here west of Orlando. The only protection was a blanket and soil banked around the trunk. White sapote, longans, jabo,lychee, black sapote were protected in a similar manner. Those trees took a hit (and are recovering) but the garcinia was not damaged at all. Just to give you an idea, during this freeze, the sprinklers were turned on the citrus trees and it was cold enough for four inch icicles to form.
Hi Val, how old is your garcinia?  ;)

I don't know for sure but it is still small. 2ft tall and has not grown since it was planted last fall.  It looks healthy so I hope it will make progress soon.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: val on April 17, 2015, 08:51:48 AM
My lucs garcinia survived a hard freeze here west of Orlando. The only protection was a blanket and soil banked around the trunk. White sapote, longans, jabo,lychee, black sapote were protected in a similar manner. Those trees took a hit (and are recovering) but the garcinia was not damaged at all. Just to give you an idea, during this freeze, the sprinklers were turned on the citrus trees and it was cold enough for four inch icicles to form.


Fantastic, I grow mine exposed at  Hidden Hollow North West of Orlando were they laughed at the freeze too!  These guys could replace citrus as a crop in a few decades. 😃


That is excellent! Is hidden hollow close to Clermont?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on April 17, 2015, 08:08:24 PM
This is it for this season , had to hike 3 hours up in the jungle to check on every tree I know , ran into some MJ growing guys , they helped me , at my age 70 I don't wanna or can climb 10 meter plus trees , some have those nasty stinging ants . Had a great time .
(http://s28.postimg.cc/6jju56uw9/DSCN3195.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6jju56uw9/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Coconut on April 17, 2015, 11:39:40 PM
This is it for this season , had to hike 3 hours up in the jungle to check on every tree I know , ran into some MJ growing guys , they helped me , at my age 70 I don't wanna or can climb 10 meter plus trees , some have those nasty stinging ants . Had a great time .
([url]http://s28.postimg.cc/6jju56uw9/DSCN3195.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/6jju56uw9/[/url])


Thank You, 70 is the new 55 Luc, I am glad you are healthy to stir up some trouble for the Cartel!😃 Wonder if you roast the seeds will it taste like almond?  Wonder any B-17 in the seeds?  A trained monkey could be of great assistance in 2016; maybe the local petting zoo might rent one out for a day or too!🙈🙉🙊

Gosh three hours hike, perfect tourism itinerary , I think you & Raul sell a bed & breakfast eco fruit tourism  for spring 2016; it should attract a few pot heads too, freshest from the source! 💂
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: stuartdaly88 on April 18, 2015, 07:18:33 AM
This is it for this season , had to hike 3 hours up in the jungle to check on every tree I know , ran into some MJ growing guys , they helped me , at my age 70 I don't wanna or can climb 10 meter plus trees , some have those nasty stinging ants . Had a great time .
([url]http://s28.postimg.cc/6jju56uw9/DSCN3195.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/6jju56uw9/[/url])


Thank You, 70 is the new 55 Luc, I am glad you are healthy to stir up some trouble for the Cartel!😃 Wonder if you roast the seeds will it taste like almond?  Wonder any B-17 in the seeds?  A trained monkey could be of great assistance in 2016; maybe the local petting zoo might rent one out for a day or too!🙈🙉🙊

Gosh three hours hike, perfect tourism itinerary , I think you & Raul sell a bed & breakfast eco fruit tourism  for spring 2016; it should attract a few pot heads too, freshest from the source! 💂

When they get the munchies lots of fruit to eat ;D
I would definitly go on that holiday ha ha ha
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Luisport on April 18, 2015, 09:19:55 AM
This is it for this season , had to hike 3 hours up in the jungle to check on every tree I know , ran into some MJ growing guys , they helped me , at my age 70 I don't wanna or can climb 10 meter plus trees , some have those nasty stinging ants . Had a great time .
([url]http://s28.postimg.cc/6jju56uw9/DSCN3195.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/6jju56uw9/[/url])
You have a PM!  ;D
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Luisport on April 18, 2015, 01:51:27 PM
Anyone knows about nutritional composition or medicinal properties of this garcinia? Thank's!  ;D
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on April 18, 2015, 05:30:57 PM
Anyone knows about nutritional composition or medicinal properties of this garcinia? Thank's!  ;D

In order to have that scientists have to analyze it in a labratory. As far as science goes this species doesn't even exist, so how is it going to have a nutritional analysis?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Luisport on April 18, 2015, 05:35:12 PM
Anyone knows about nutritional composition or medicinal properties of this garcinia? Thank's!  ;D

In order to have that scientists have to analyze it in a labratory. As far as science goes this species doesn't even exist, so how is it going to have a nutritional analysis?
Ok, sorry... it was a stupid question...  :-X
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on April 18, 2015, 06:31:58 PM
Anyone knows about nutritional composition or medicinal properties of this garcinia? Thank's!  ;D

In order to have that scientists have to analyze it in a labratory. As far as science goes this species doesn't even exist, so how is it going to have a nutritional analysis?
Ok, sorry... it was a stupid question...  :-X

It's not impossibe, but somebody would have to pay for the analysis out of pocket. Maybe Luc?  ;) 8)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: cos on April 18, 2015, 06:34:18 PM
I bet some grad student would love to do it for free & get a publication out of it
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Bush2Beach on April 25, 2015, 01:39:51 PM
That magic moment! To the 7th leaf and beyond..
(http://s12.postimg.cc/6wzntntqx/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6wzntntqx/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Marsbars on April 25, 2015, 01:43:48 PM
That magic moment! To the 7th leaf and beyond..
([url]http://s12.postimg.cc/6wzntntqx/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/6wzntntqx/[/url])


How tall is your seedling? Mine just put out new leaves. Leaf growth seems stunted though.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Bush2Beach on April 25, 2015, 06:22:56 PM
I'm not sure, 6-10".
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: RICBITAR on April 25, 2015, 07:41:40 PM
This is it for this season , had to hike 3 hours up in the jungle to check on every tree I know , ran into some MJ growing guys , they helped me , at my age 70 I don't wanna or can climb 10 meter plus trees , some have those nasty stinging ants . Had a great time .
([url]http://s28.postimg.cc/6jju56uw9/DSCN3195.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/6jju56uw9/[/url])


You really do not seems have 70 year old , I thought you had around 50 years old
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 25, 2015, 08:59:00 PM
those seeds remind me of Andrew Jackson...

each one could be turned into a $20 bill after it germinates!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Chandramohan on April 25, 2015, 09:18:49 PM
Hello Luc, Do you have some Luc's Garcinia seeds to sell? Or could  you please tell me to whom in India you sold the 300 seeds, so that I can try to get some seedlings. Thanks, Chandramohan.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: stuartdaly88 on April 26, 2015, 05:37:10 AM
This is it for this season , had to hike 3 hours up in the jungle to check on every tree I know , ran into some MJ growing guys , they helped me , at my age 70 I don't wanna or can climb 10 meter plus trees , some have those nasty stinging ants . Had a great time .
([url]http://s28.postimg.cc/6jju56uw9/DSCN3195.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/6jju56uw9/[/url])


You really do not seems have 70 year old , I thought you had around 50 years old

I truly believe passion keeps you young and it seems luc is a good example:)
I hope when I'm that age I can keep my excitement and joy of plants like that!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Raulglezruiz on May 13, 2015, 12:21:32 PM
Yesterday I went to the zoo to get scions of a beautyfull bright red reticulata I just discover last week when I took my 10 years old boy; the problem is that is inside a little Island set on a pond where is the home of the spider monkeys; to get there I have to cross the pond with hundreds of hungry carp fish,
I wasn't lucky cause the encharged Who authorized me to come back to pick the wood was out of the city; since I was there and I knew a few Lucmoncillo trees on the river, I decided to go and take a look; to my surprise I found this tree with a few small, unripe fruits and still flowering ; unusual cause usually by this time season is over; the problem with this tree is so tall that fruit is unreachable; I was lucky to find a single one perfectly ripe on the ground! It was on its prime; superb lemons sweet gelato/pye flavor/consistency; amazing fruit
(http://s9.postimg.cc/9qjfm7ggb/IMG_20150511_110120.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9qjfm7ggb/)

(http://s30.postimg.cc/v3sgq0wwd/IMG_20150511_103258.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/v3sgq0wwd/)

(http://s17.postimg.cc/vrdikfqt7/IMG_20150511_102209.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/vrdikfqt7/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/i0uoaaqzx/IMG_20150511_110053.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/i0uoaaqzx/)

(http://s30.postimg.cc/i8tnuqwel/IMG_20150511_103335.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/i8tnuqwel/)

(http://s8.postimg.cc/sjmhs0629/IMG_20150511_104759.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/sjmhs0629/)

(http://s8.postimg.cc/tol5b4hwx/IMG_20150511_102325.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tol5b4hwx/)
PD anybody knows how to upload video? I want to show one of the lucmoncillo environment
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 13, 2015, 12:37:12 PM
the photo of the tree trunk is sobering!  this species can get quite large!!

the texture and color of the fruit looks so delicious....it has a nice rich yellow color...(unlike the cottony white looking pulp of Achachairu, Charichuela, and Bacupari)

thanks so much for sharing!

(for uploading a video, it's probably easiest to upload it onto youtube, and then link it to the forum!!)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Raulglezruiz on May 13, 2015, 02:20:58 PM
Video on Limoncillo surroundings
https://youtu.be/CUIqnZ5o0Ik
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 13, 2015, 02:32:53 PM
Video on Limoncillo surroundings
https://youtu.be/CUIqnZ5o0Ik

your video is set to private! we can't see it!

also remove the "s" from "https" in your link, so it just says "http", and your video will be viewable in the thread, instead of just a link
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Coconut on May 13, 2015, 03:40:42 PM
Yesterday I went to the zoo to get scions of a beautyfull bright red reticulata I just discover last week when I took my 10 years old boy; the problem is that is inside a little Island set on a pond where is the home of the spider monkeys; to get there I have to cross the pond with hundreds of hungry carp fish,
I wasn't lucky cause the encharged Who authorized me to come back to pick the wood was out of the city; since I was there and I knew a few Lucmoncillo trees on the river, I decided to go and take a look; to my surprise I found this tree with a few small, unripe fruits and still flowering ; unusual cause usually by this time season is over; the problem with this tree is so tall that fruit is unreachable; I was lucky to find a single one perfectly ripe on the ground! It was on its prime; superb lemons sweet gelato/pye flavor/consistency; amazing fruit
([url]http://s9.postimg.cc/9qjfm7ggb/IMG_20150511_110120.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/9qjfm7ggb/[/url])

([url]http://s30.postimg.cc/v3sgq0wwd/IMG_20150511_103258.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/v3sgq0wwd/[/url])

([url]http://s17.postimg.cc/vrdikfqt7/IMG_20150511_102209.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/vrdikfqt7/[/url])

([url]http://s22.postimg.cc/i0uoaaqzx/IMG_20150511_110053.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/i0uoaaqzx/[/url])

([url]http://s30.postimg.cc/i8tnuqwel/IMG_20150511_103335.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/i8tnuqwel/[/url])

([url]http://s8.postimg.cc/sjmhs0629/IMG_20150511_104759.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/sjmhs0629/[/url])

([url]http://s8.postimg.cc/tol5b4hwx/IMG_20150511_102325.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/tol5b4hwx/[/url])
PD anybody knows how to upload video? I want to show one of the lucmoncillo environment


Very Nice detective Raul, any chance you can scare a few seed of this late bearing variety for sale.  Its thick trunk can also double up as a lumber crop beside its attractive fruit!  Keep us post on this off season variety, you can send me that one seed if you like, I will take it over the orange one!😆👍🏻
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on May 13, 2015, 05:57:33 PM
Video on Limoncillo surroundings
https://youtu.be/CUIqnZ5o0Ik

Raul, thanks for uploading photos and video. You need to mark the video on Youtube as public. Right now it is marked private and can't see it.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Raulglezruiz on May 13, 2015, 09:08:23 PM
Ok I set it to public lets see if this work http://youtu.be/CUIqnZ5o0Ik (http://youtu.be/CUIqnZ5o0Ik)
 "Title"  limoncillo habitat
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FRUITBOXHERO on May 13, 2015, 09:27:25 PM
Ok I set it to public lets see if this work [url]http://youtu.be/CUIqnZ5o0Ik[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/CUIqnZ5o0Ik[/url])
 "Title"  limoncillo habitat

Raul, that is beautiful! Thank you so much for sharing
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on May 13, 2015, 10:29:21 PM
Nice place Raul. Is that all inside the zoo?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Raulglezruiz on May 14, 2015, 09:07:57 AM
Nice place Raul. Is that all inside the zoo?
just outside the zoo Oscar is a little river who comes from the high lands to the ocean,  whar I like of the rivers here in Vallarta is they run in a sand bed so is delicious. to take a swim,  no crocs in these ones, the other ones I'v seen in inland Mexico run through mud soil, 
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 14, 2015, 11:35:32 AM
thank you for sharing this with us Raul!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: ScottR on May 14, 2015, 07:24:39 PM
Beautiful pics of stream habitat thanks for posting, stay cool. 8) ;)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on May 14, 2015, 08:30:12 PM
Nice Raul ....and now you all are gonna want me to do one also right !! Looking at the water you people in CA must be jealous ...
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Marsbars on May 14, 2015, 09:06:23 PM
Nice Raul ....and now you all are gonna want me to do one also right !! Looking at the water you people in CA must be jealous ...
Luc, were getting some good rain right now in SoCal lol
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on May 14, 2015, 11:01:33 PM
Nice Raul ....and now you all are gonna want me to do one also right !! Looking at the water you people in CA must be jealous ...
Luc, were getting some good rain right now in SoCal lol

You should be catching every drop in cisterns. But i'm sure most of it runs into drainage and back into ocean.  :( Californians don't know yet they live mostly in a desert.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Pan Dulce on May 14, 2015, 11:26:10 PM
I heard there is a good expose on wealthy southern Californians watering their lawns everyday , after their Governor issued some kind of 25% reduction across the board on water use.   :(  So does that = 25% less showering = stinkier people 25% more of the time..... I think it might be time to buy stock in deodorant companies
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: nullzero on May 14, 2015, 11:40:40 PM
Nice Raul ....and now you all are gonna want me to do one also right !! Looking at the water you people in CA must be jealous ...
Luc, were getting some good rain right now in SoCal lol

You should be catching every drop in cisterns. But i'm sure most of it runs into drainage and back into ocean.  :( Californians don't know yet they live mostly in a desert.

I hate to say it but I don't think most people are going to be prepared for extended drought in CA. This is a 1,000 year drought event from what I have been reading. Time to start thinking about taking out those water hogs like avocados and citrus. Good food plants that thrive on low moisture; Prickly Pears (Opuntia sp.), Yucca baccata, Aloe sp., Acanthosicyos horridus, Cereus sp., etc.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on May 15, 2015, 12:51:58 AM
Nice Raul ....and now you all are gonna want me to do one also right !! Looking at the water you people in CA must be jealous ...
Luc, were getting some good rain right now in SoCal lol

You should be catching every drop in cisterns. But i'm sure most of it runs into drainage and back into ocean.  :( Californians don't know yet they live mostly in a desert.

I hate to say it but I don't think most people are going to be prepared for extended drought in CA. This is a 1,000 year drought event from what I have been reading. Time to start thinking about taking out those water hogs like avocados and citrus. Good food plants that thrive on low moisture; Prickly Pears (Opuntia sp.), Yucca baccata, Aloe sp., Acanthosicyos horridus, Cereus sp., etc.

Southern California is going to start looking like and feeling like Tucson, Aridzonea?  :o
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: nullzero on May 15, 2015, 01:01:13 AM
Nice Raul ....and now you all are gonna want me to do one also right !! Looking at the water you people in CA must be jealous ...
Luc, were getting some good rain right now in SoCal lol

You should be catching every drop in cisterns. But i'm sure most of it runs into drainage and back into ocean.  :( Californians don't know yet they live mostly in a desert.

I hate to say it but I don't think most people are going to be prepared for extended drought in CA. This is a 1,000 year drought event from what I have been reading. Time to start thinking about taking out those water hogs like avocados and citrus. Good food plants that thrive on low moisture; Prickly Pears (Opuntia sp.), Yucca baccata, Aloe sp., Acanthosicyos horridus, Cereus sp., etc.

Southern California is going to start looking like and feeling like Tucson, Aridzonea?  :o

Its going to look like it, once the cheaper irrigation water is gone... I am not sure if the average home owner is going to be able to afford +$400 a month in water bills. Not sure how the guys with land down in Fallbrook, CA and San Diego County are going to keep any type of grove irrigated well without breaking the bank. I would watch CA avocado prices closely, Chile and Mexican avocados may start really undercutting CA avocados (I guess they will get chopped down and new homes built on the groves.). Not to mention all the Central, CA agri and homes...

Anyway, guess back on topic. I am going to update with some Luc's garcinia pics soon. I got some seedlings doing well.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Don on May 15, 2015, 02:35:17 AM
10 lucs garcinia seedlings in the making starting there new life in Brisbane Queensland. Thanks Luc.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Future on October 02, 2015, 05:18:41 PM
My in ground plant is very small, a few inches, despite being in the ground for some time.  Yesterday I noticed what appears to be a sucker coming up from below the soil.  It is almost as tall as the original plant.  Has anyone else experienced this?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on October 02, 2015, 06:36:36 PM
My in ground plant is very small, a few inches, despite being in the ground for some time.  Yesterday I noticed what appears to be a sucker coming up from below the soil.  It is almost as tall as the original plant.  Has anyone else experienced this?

I haven´t and I planted close to 500 over the years , maybe it is another seed coming up ??
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Mike T on October 02, 2015, 06:49:00 PM
This is my driest time and there has been hardly an inch of rain in the past 4 weeks but there should be more in the next few days.Western queensland is in drought like California and with 4 one in one hundred year drought events in the last 15 years people are questioning such estimates with only 130 years of records.
Back on topic my biggest Lucs mexican is only 3.5 feet high but 2 younger ones nearly 2 feet tall look healthier and are growing faster.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Future on October 02, 2015, 07:55:29 PM
My in ground plant is very small, a few inches, despite being in the ground for some time.  Yesterday I noticed what appears to be a sucker coming up from below the soil.  It is almost as tall as the original plant.  Has anyone else experienced this?

I haven´t and I planted close to 500 over the years , maybe it is another seed coming up ??

This is a single seed a fellow member here sent me.  I later bought more and they have been kept in a friend's slat house and look great.  Already twice the size of my one in the ground.  But as slow as these things are, they sure seem durable. 
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Mike T on October 03, 2015, 06:04:47 AM
Raul, that creek looks so much like many I see hee with clear water,rocks and palm trees along the edges.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Raulglezruiz on October 03, 2015, 05:36:11 PM
Raul, that creek looks so much like many I see hee with clear water,rocks and palm trees along the edges.
yes Mike is very nice landscape, here we only have a 5 month rainy season June/ Octuber; then a few rains in Feb/March and the last two years we have rain in the last days of December; but that is not common, your bigger Limoncillo should be closer to fruit I think luc's one  start to flower just over a meter high; mine is also like a meter but is neglected in a slope and very rare ocasions I water it; even in rainy season, some of you wondering why I dont pay more attention to it, maybe cause theres many trees in the wild out there, now I should start looking for my white whale the maroon color one ; I saw the fruit once hanging on the tree; now it's all about getting the permission to go in that private land who owns a private canopy tour company; thats my next project for the next season cause without the fruit hanging I wouldn't be able to recognize the tree....
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Mike T on October 05, 2015, 03:37:21 AM

(http://s2.postimg.cc/4wuyza4l1/20151005_172645_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4wuyza4l1/)
It is actually 1.35m tall and has sun and wind damage.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: palologrower on October 05, 2015, 06:31:46 PM
got my hands on some seeds. was wondering what's the range in time for these seeds to germinate?  looking forward to tasting these guys. 
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 05, 2015, 07:06:55 PM
once the foliage gets damaged or deformed, it seems to take almost a year to normalize.

why do these trees always end up near a fence?

hasn't grown much since April, but has grown for sure, and is pushing out at the top now

(http://s4.postimg.cc/51pyddtw9/IMG_2954.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/51pyddtw9/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: palologrower on October 05, 2015, 08:59:56 PM
once the foliage gets damaged or deformed, it seems to take almost a year to normalize.

why do these trees always end up near a fence?

hasn't grown much since April, but has grown for sure, and is pushing out at the top now

([url]http://s4.postimg.cc/51pyddtw9/IMG_2954.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/51pyddtw9/[/url])


so....how's the hair experiment going?  ha ha ha. 
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: nullzero on October 05, 2015, 10:16:12 PM
About a year in the ground, went in at about 6 inch seedling about 1 ft now. Was under shade cloth until recently, when I removed it.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-0S6-nIuFGj0/Vg2MBiO33nI/AAAAAAAAJy8/o2fJJofONPw/s640-Ic42/20150927_183005.jpg)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 05, 2015, 10:33:14 PM
Lol I threw some hair underneath the tree!

And then threw some fertilizer in the hair.

I guess this is one situation where I don't mind having manure in my hair

 :P

once the foliage gets damaged or deformed, it seems to take almost a year to normalize.

why do these trees always end up near a fence?

hasn't grown much since April, but has grown for sure, and is pushing out at the top now

([url]http://s4.postimg.cc/51pyddtw9/IMG_2954.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/51pyddtw9/[/url])


so....how's the hair experiment going?  ha ha ha.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Mike T on October 06, 2015, 05:00:40 AM
The product on the trimmings might make a hairy situation for the plant and you don't want to part with it because it could curl up and dye..You might need to brush up on soil additives instead trying fringe treatments.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 06, 2015, 02:06:58 PM
About a year in the ground, went in at about 6 inch seedling about 1 ft now. Was under shade cloth until recently, when I removed it.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-0S6-nIuFGj0/Vg2MBiO33nI/AAAAAAAAJy8/o2fJJofONPw/s640-Ic42/20150927_183005.jpg)

looking real good Nullz...

is that one u got from me?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: nullzero on October 06, 2015, 02:16:01 PM
looking real good Nullz...

is that one u got from me?

Yeah, I am pretty sure that is the one I got from you. I also have many other seedlings;

The next batch of seedlings
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-K20o05aM0uo/Vg2MBq_sYSI/AAAAAAAAJy8/EYMpWZ4g-Lc/s400-Ic42/20150927_160650.jpg)

I have three in ground atm, that one is the largest best looking another one is small and scraggly (the trees are very tough, no irrigation and withstand the periods of drought and heavy rainfall). I have about 15 other seedlings as well.

Separated into individual containers now
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-QRpIodLBgy4/Vg2MBvUni5I/AAAAAAAAJy8/MjZxIk2ajoc/s640-Ic42/20150929_184125.jpg)

Also have some Garcinia paniculata in seedlings in the above picture. They don't seem as sturdy as the Luc's Garcinia sp. though.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 06, 2015, 02:21:29 PM
hey wait I'm confused!  are these in FL or CA!?

they look nice!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: nullzero on October 06, 2015, 03:12:25 PM
hey wait I'm confused!  are these in FL or CA!?

they look nice!

These are in FL, the row of 3 seedlings closet to the screen is Garcinia paniculata. I also have another 3 seedlings germinated in my window sill garden in CA. No automated watering in FL, I rely on the shaded sheltered area and calling my mother to remind her to give them a good watering  :P.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 06, 2015, 06:20:06 PM
that's great to know you are able to keep them alive and looking nice (with your mom's help)

they aren't a plant that requires a ton of maintenance

all u gotta do is remember to water every now and then especially if it's hot and dry

hey wait I'm confused!  are these in FL or CA!?

they look nice!

These are in FL, the row of 3 seedlings closet to the screen is Garcinia paniculata. I also have another 3 seedlings germinated in my window sill garden in CA. No automated watering in FL, I rely on the shaded sheltered area and calling my mother to remind her to give them a good watering  :P.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: nullzero on October 06, 2015, 07:25:21 PM
that's great to know you are able to keep them alive and looking nice (with your mom's help)

they aren't a plant that requires a ton of maintenance

all u gotta do is remember to water every now and then especially if it's hot and dry

hey wait I'm confused!  are these in FL or CA!?

they look nice!

These are in FL, the row of 3 seedlings closet to the screen is Garcinia paniculata. I also have another 3 seedlings germinated in my window sill garden in CA. No automated watering in FL, I rely on the shaded sheltered area and calling my mother to remind her to give them a good watering  :P.

I am hoping that the Garcinia paniculata can withstand similar treatment. Sometimes the plants on the back patio go without watering for a week, luckily the back patio gets no direct sun besides 1-2 hours in the morning from fall into the spring. Lost a couple smaller plants due to this, but some things handled it fine such as Kwai muk, Alternanthera sissoo, Chaya, Yams, Ivy Gourd, Passion fruit, Dragon fruit, etc.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: val on October 06, 2015, 08:54:34 PM
looking real good Nullz...

is that one u got from me?

Yeah, I am pretty sure that is the one I got from you. I also have many other seedlings;

The next batch of seedlings
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-K20o05aM0uo/Vg2MBq_sYSI/AAAAAAAAJy8/EYMpWZ4g-Lc/s400-Ic42/20150927_160650.jpg)

I have three in ground atm, that one is the largest best looking another one is small and scraggly (the trees are very tough, no irrigation and withstand the periods of drought and heavy rainfall). I have about 15 other seedlings as well.

Separated into individual containers now
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-QRpIodLBgy4/Vg2MBvUni5I/AAAAAAAAJy8/MjZxIk2ajoc/s640-Ic42/20150929_184125.jpg)

Also have some Garcinia paniculata in seedlings in the above picture. They don't seem as sturdy as the Luc's Garcinia sp. though.

Null, you and i are at the same stage with our lucs garcinias. I have one from adam, smaller than yours and 8 seedlings that look like yours. Mine sprouted (8 out of 10 seeds) within a few weeks. My larger one from adam has done nothing in the year since i planted it. (Adam this fits your description ) I think i sunburnt it and left it too hot and dry because after heavy rains and a little shade i finally have some fresh growth. The curious thing about it, it is not growing at the top but sprouting from the base of the trunk just above the soil line.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: nullzero on October 07, 2015, 11:28:27 AM
Val,

Good luck with your Luc's Garcinia sp. seedlings. I am excited to one day be able to taste the fruit  :).
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Felipe on October 07, 2015, 03:01:28 PM
A slow grower so far...

(http://s17.postimg.cc/feqqquuuj/IMG_3760.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/feqqquuuj/)

(http://s17.postimg.cc/uakokpgvf/IMG_3761.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/uakokpgvf/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 07, 2015, 05:17:37 PM
A slow grower so far...

([url]http://s17.postimg.cc/feqqquuuj/IMG_3760.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/feqqquuuj/[/url])

([url]http://s17.postimg.cc/uakokpgvf/IMG_3761.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/uakokpgvf/[/url])


I see some sacrificial Rollinia branches laying on the altar of your tree!

I tried placing human hair on the altar of mine!  :P
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Luisport on October 07, 2015, 05:20:54 PM
Just to say that all my 10 seeds have sprouted!  ;D
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: val on October 08, 2015, 12:28:55 PM
Just to say that all my 10 seeds have sprouted!  ;D

Good Luis!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Luisport on October 08, 2015, 12:46:48 PM
Just to say that all my 10 seeds have sprouted!  ;D

Good Luis!
Thank you Val! How are you?  ;D
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: SFGrower on October 10, 2015, 04:34:45 PM
I need to get this variety!  Sounds like it's a good one to have and it's a lot bigger than the achachas!  Will this variety fruit in a pot?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: azorean on October 10, 2015, 05:56:13 PM
100% germination success here! ;)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Felipe on October 10, 2015, 06:13:14 PM
I see some sacrificial Rollinia branches laying on the altar of your tree!

I tried placing human hair on the altar of mine!  :P

LMAO... I don't have hair to sacrifice, so I had to give another offering  ;D
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Pancrazio on October 14, 2015, 08:22:23 PM
100% also here. They were fresh for sure!  ;)
I was wondering how hardy the plant must be. I'm planning to keep them in my unheated greenhouse, so i'm gonna assume they will experience at least 1°C (34F). I hope they will survive.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Waterfall on October 15, 2015, 06:06:03 PM
I have 2 of these growing in Sydney, Aus, both very small at the moment.

One of them spent the winter in my greenhouse which is always above 10° C and the other I left outside.

At the end of winter both looked the same, healthy with no new growth. Overnight temps outside in the middle of winter drop to a low of around 5 - 6° C with a few nights as low as 3° C, never seen a frost.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Jsvand5 on October 21, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
Does the new growth on Luc's garcinia emerge bright red? I have a few planted that the label wore off on. Can't remember for sure if they are Luc's or Whitmans Charichuela
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: cbss_daviefl on October 21, 2015, 04:20:38 PM
New growth is mostly yellow.

(http://s4.postimg.cc/k7bu3f9pl/Luc_Garcinia2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/k7bu3f9pl/)

(http://s23.postimg.cc/ymvualpg7/Luc_Garcinia1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ymvualpg7/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Future on October 21, 2015, 07:27:23 PM
Mine emerges red- pinkish
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Jsvand5 on October 22, 2015, 03:57:30 PM
So Luc's or whitman's? The growth was much more red last week.
(http://s2.postimg.cc/zah68mdv9/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/zah68mdv9/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 22, 2015, 05:48:42 PM
So Luc's or whitman's? The growth was much more red last week.
([url]http://s2.postimg.cc/zah68mdv9/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/zah68mdv9/[/url])


definitely not G. acuminata...and leaves don't look brilliant enough to be G. madruno..

not sure which species you are calling "whitman", but I never heard of a garcinia named after him.

yours looks like Luc's..

leaf shape and new growth color can be variable, depending on environmental conditions.

Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on October 22, 2015, 06:18:55 PM
So Luc's or whitman's? The growth was much more red last week.
([url]http://s2.postimg.cc/zah68mdv9/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/zah68mdv9/[/url])


Your photo looks more like Luc's garcinia than Whitman's garcinia, which Whitman called simply charichuela. The charichuela is probably a type of madrono. It's described in his book 5 Decades with Tropical Fruits. Whitman's charichuela has much smaller leaves than Luc's garcinia., which has quite large leaves.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Jsvand5 on October 22, 2015, 06:29:06 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 22, 2015, 07:10:46 PM
the fruit Whitman called charichuela is G. acuminata.

I have seen seedlings from his tree in person, and they fit the description perfectly.

So Luc's or whitman's? The growth was much more red last week.
([url]http://s2.postimg.cc/zah68mdv9/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/zah68mdv9/[/url])


Your photo looks more like Luc's garcinia than Whitman's garcinia, which Whitman called simply charichuela. The charichuela is probably a type of madrono. It's described in his book 5 Decades with Tropical Fruits. Whitman's charichuela has much smaller leaves than Luc's garcinia., which has quite large leaves.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on October 23, 2015, 02:57:00 AM
the fruit Whitman called charichuela is G. acuminata.

I have seen seedlings from his tree in person, and they fit the description perfectly.




G. acuminatas i have tasted were not that great and had a very large seed, unlike Whitman's charichuela.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=8010.msg102920#msg102920 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=8010.msg102920#msg102920)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on October 23, 2015, 09:57:47 AM
the fruit Whitman called charichuela is G. acuminata.

I have seen seedlings from his tree in person, and they fit the description perfectly.




G. acuminatas i have tasted were not that great and had a very large seed, unlike Whitman's charichuela.
[url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=8010.msg102920#msg102920[/url] ([url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=8010.msg102920#msg102920[/url])


Of course your opinion of the flavor is subjective, especially if you have not tasted fruits from whitmans tree.

Seed size and quantity can be variable, especially if you have an isolated tree as Whitman did.

The leaves of his tee were not the same a G madruno, which are much larger.

His book also states that the fruits had a large seed.

I don't think they should (or will) be lumped into one species.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on October 24, 2015, 12:41:22 AM
the fruit Whitman called charichuela is G. acuminata.

I have seen seedlings from his tree in person, and they fit the description perfectly.




G. acuminatas i have tasted were not that great and had a very large seed, unlike Whitman's charichuela.
[url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=8010.msg102920#msg102920[/url] ([url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=8010.msg102920#msg102920[/url])


Of course your opinion of the flavor is subjective, especially if you have not tasted fruits from whitmans tree.

Seed size and quantity can be variable, especially if you have an isolated tree as Whitman did.

The leaves of his tee were not the same a G madruno, which are much larger.

His book also states that the fruits had a large seed.

I don't think they should (or will) be lumped into one species.


Yes the leaves of madrono are larger. But as you know there can be leaf size differences within same species. In any case, I don't think Whitman's charichuela has been positively identified yet.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: jackedfruit on November 15, 2015, 09:35:39 AM
I've made an interesting observation that this plant seems to respond well to cytokine treatment. I made an experiment with 4 plants were of 2 were treated with a 30ppm solution of Zeatin with teh hopes that I could stimulate the rate of cell division in the apical meristem. One month later I'm seeing these results:

(http://s24.postimg.cc/9zw7qqm5t/20151115_151223.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9zw7qqm5t/)

We'll see what happens in the future but I'm planning on letting the new leafs harden of then applying a second dose of 20ppm. I'll have to experiment more but maybe Garcinas have adapted to produce low amounts of plant hormones and that application on seedlings could speed up initial growth. Would be interesting to see results with GA3 and IAA too.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Future on November 15, 2015, 09:55:12 AM
Speaking of experiments I left sweet potato lines running around my still very small (inches) plant and noticed it picked up the rate of growth significantly.   It seems at this stage they grow better in dappled shade.   
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: barath on November 15, 2015, 01:24:21 PM
I've made an interesting observation that this plant seems to respond well to cytokine treatment. I made an experiment with 4 plants were of 2 were treated with a 30ppm solution of Zeatin with teh hopes that I could stimulate the rate of cell division in the apical meristem. One month later I'm seeing these results:

([url]http://s24.postimg.cc/9zw7qqm5t/20151115_151223.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/9zw7qqm5t/[/url])

We'll see what happens in the future but I'm planning on letting the new leafs harden of then applying a second dose of 20ppm. I'll have to experiment more but maybe Garcinas have adapted to produce low amounts of plant hormones and that application on seedlings could speed up initial growth. Would be interesting to see results with GA3 and IAA too.


Interesting.  I wonder if pouring coconut milk or coconut water on Garcinias would have the desired effect, then.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: jackedfruit on November 15, 2015, 03:16:01 PM

Interesting.  I wonder if pouring coconut milk or coconut water on Garcinias would have the desired effect, then.

I don't know for sure but I'm guessing the concentration would be to low for any measurable effects. However, I know for sure coconut milk was used frequently in the TC media before it got replaced by the isolated auxins and cytokinin (if I remember correctly some still use it but to a lesser extent).

Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Don on November 15, 2015, 04:14:29 PM
Finally have my own mex garcinias, just started poking there heads above the dirt after sitting dormant since February.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 19, 2015, 07:12:25 PM
check out the time lapse of new growth emerging on Luc's Garcinia vleerackerii...one of the prettiest trees I can think of!

minerals from my well water stained the leaves and gave them a nice patina...lol they look like they're made out of copper or bronze.

(http://s9.postimg.cc/ywawazrbf/IMG_3170.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ywawazrbf/)
(http://s9.postimg.cc/nb0q3a5u3/IMG_3169.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/nb0q3a5u3/)
(http://s3.postimg.cc/9vccx5hwf/IMG_3219.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9vccx5hwf/)
(http://s9.postimg.cc/bw48ynthn/IMG_3280.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bw48ynthn/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: cmichael258 on November 19, 2015, 09:05:56 PM
Love that 3rd photo.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Felipe on November 21, 2015, 05:34:58 AM
Wow! Beautiful!

I wonder who will be the first member to get LG to fruit....
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Tomas on December 04, 2015, 11:26:11 AM
My bet is on Ed. I believe he is a few years ahead of everyone else.

Tomas
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Mango Stein on February 12, 2016, 10:39:43 PM
Has Luc written anywhere what the mature size is of his garcinia sp. is?

Last year I got 29ºF or -1.7ºC so mangosteen options are very limited.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on February 12, 2016, 11:33:21 PM
My bet is on Ed. I believe he is a few years ahead of everyone else.

Tomas

HIs were the first to flower but didn't set fruit.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 12, 2016, 11:39:39 PM
I thought Siafu might have one flowering too?

My bet is on Ed. I believe he is a few years ahead of everyone else.

Tomas

HIs were the first to flower but didn't set fruit.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: knlim000 on February 14, 2016, 07:06:11 AM
Yesterday I went to the zoo to get scions of a beautyfull bright red reticulata I just discover last week when I took my 10 years old boy; the problem is that is inside a little Island set on a pond where is the home of the spider monkeys; to get there I have to cross the pond with hundreds of hungry carp fish,
I wasn't lucky cause the encharged Who authorized me to come back to pick the wood was out of the city; since I was there and I knew a few Lucmoncillo trees on the river, I decided to go and take a look; to my surprise I found this tree with a few small, unripe fruits and still flowering ; unusual cause usually by this time season is over; the problem with this tree is so tall that fruit is unreachable; I was lucky to find a single one perfectly ripe on the ground! It was on its prime; superb lemons sweet gelato/pye flavor/consistency; amazing fruit
([url]http://s9.postimg.cc/9qjfm7ggb/IMG_20150511_110120.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/9qjfm7ggb/[/url])

([url]http://s30.postimg.cc/v3sgq0wwd/IMG_20150511_103258.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/v3sgq0wwd/[/url])

([url]http://s17.postimg.cc/vrdikfqt7/IMG_20150511_102209.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/vrdikfqt7/[/url])

([url]http://s22.postimg.cc/i0uoaaqzx/IMG_20150511_110053.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/i0uoaaqzx/[/url])

([url]http://s30.postimg.cc/i8tnuqwel/IMG_20150511_103335.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/i8tnuqwel/[/url])

([url]http://s8.postimg.cc/sjmhs0629/IMG_20150511_104759.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/sjmhs0629/[/url])

([url]http://s8.postimg.cc/tol5b4hwx/IMG_20150511_102325.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/tol5b4hwx/[/url])
PD anybody knows how to upload video? I want to show one of the lucmoncillo environment


raul,
is it bacuri? http://www.clovegarden.com/ingred/cl_mangost.html (http://www.clovegarden.com/ingred/cl_mangost.html)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Pancrazio on February 14, 2016, 08:51:59 AM
As for now my plants are doing fine.
I have divided them in two batch; the first one went in my unheated greenhouse, the second one indoor in a sunny unheated room.
Both have been doing really well since the fall.
The ones in the greenhouse have experienced a pretty long lasting cold spell (we got minimum temperature in the low 20s °F for about 10 days) so, even if i didn’t measure the temps in the greenhouse, i did expect them to have experienced regularly temps of about 34°F every night for more than a week. They didn't show any damage: only true difference from those in the warmer indoor room has been the leaf color, that turned to a nice copper/red for the plants in the greenhouse, and remained of a solid green for the plants indoor.
Can't say that this plant doesn't look promising.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Raulglezruiz on February 14, 2016, 09:08:08 AM
Yesterday I went to the zoo to get scions of a beautyfull bright red reticulata I just discover last week when I took my 10 years old boy; the problem is that is inside a little Island set on a pond where is the home of the spider monkeys; to get there I have to cross the pond with hundreds of hungry carp fish,
I wasn't lucky cause the encharged Who authorized me to come back to pick the wood was out of the city; since I was there and I knew a few Lucmoncillo trees on the river, I decided to go and take a look; to my surprise I found this tree with a few small, unripe fruits and still flowering ; unusual cause usually by this time season is over; the problem with this tree is so tall that fruit is unreachable; I was lucky to find a single one perfectly ripe on the ground! It was on its prime; superb lemons sweet gelato/pye flavor/consistency; amazing fruit
([url]http://s9.postimg.cc/9qjfm7ggb/IMG_20150511_110120.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/9qjfm7ggb/[/url])

([url]http://s30.postimg.cc/v3sgq0wwd/IMG_20150511_103258.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/v3sgq0wwd/[/url])

([url]http://s17.postimg.cc/vrdikfqt7/IMG_20150511_102209.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/vrdikfqt7/[/url])

([url]http://s22.postimg.cc/i0uoaaqzx/IMG_20150511_110053.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/i0uoaaqzx/[/url])

([url]http://s30.postimg.cc/i8tnuqwel/IMG_20150511_103335.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/i8tnuqwel/[/url])

([url]http://s8.postimg.cc/sjmhs0629/IMG_20150511_104759.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/sjmhs0629/[/url])

([url]http://s8.postimg.cc/tol5b4hwx/IMG_20150511_102325.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/tol5b4hwx/[/url])
PD anybody knows how to upload video? I want to show one of the lucmoncillo environment


raul,
is it bacuri? [url]http://www.clovegarden.com/ingred/cl_mangost.html[/url] ([url]http://www.clovegarden.com/ingred/cl_mangost.html[/url])

No Bakuripari,  is Limoncillo(local name)  aka Mexican Garcinia, Luc's Garcinia
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Kona fruit farm on February 17, 2016, 02:44:59 AM
For those of you that have experience growing these trees and have seen mature trees, how far would you space the trees?  Or better question is how close can I plant them
Together and be okay?  I have limited space.  I was thinking maybe 10-15 ft apart??

Luc?  Raul?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on February 17, 2016, 06:54:27 PM
For those of you that have experience growing these trees and have seen mature trees, how far would you space the trees?  Or better question is how close can I plant them
Together and be okay?  I have limited space.  I was thinking maybe 10-15 ft apart??

Luc?  Raul?
Highly recommend keeping those babies in a pot for quite a while. They really appreciate dappled light when small and grow really slowly at first. So i wouldn't plant them right into the ground for quite a while. Suggest waiting till they are at least a foot tall.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Raulglezruiz on February 18, 2016, 09:53:21 AM
For those of you that have experience growing these trees and have seen mature trees, how far would you space the trees?  Or better question is how close can I plant them
Together and be okay?  I have limited space.  I was thinking maybe 10-15 ft apart??

Luc?  Raul?
Probably more Iike 15, the ones in the shade like in the jungle doesn't spread much, one single trunk heading up, they like some shade I guess even when adults or maybe I suppose that cause the only adult trees I've seen are those, anyhow is a slow grower that to get giant probably will need 40/50years...
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Raulglezruiz on March 29, 2016, 09:58:59 AM
Here are  couple of videos of last week I went with my friend fruit collector lalo for picking Luc's Limoncillo, it was king of early cause most fruit was greens, so is very difficult to spotted on the tree, once they ripe color change to yellow, we'll come back in a couple weeks to see if we can find the bronze color tree, the nice thing is that we find a tree that gives fruit elongate kind of oval instead of the traditional regular ones which fruits were really sweet, so we want to comeback and try most fruit of the tree to see if this is constant or just it was a single fruit, h9pe y9u enjoy this trees are in the mountains in the wild...
http://youtu.be/Sh-sIJnz_r0 (http://youtu.be/Sh-sIJnz_r0)
http://youtu.be/QEOfY_vsTfY (http://youtu.be/QEOfY_vsTfY)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: merce3 on March 29, 2016, 12:44:51 PM
Thanks for all the info. Can they be placed in full light after they reach 1 foot tall?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Raulglezruiz on March 29, 2016, 02:56:02 PM
I will go with 30/40% shade and little by little go towards full sun probably at 1 meter high or more, in their natural environment they grow in shade but that doesn't means that's the rule, probably there's lot of potential for experimental  with this specimen as it has only been found in the wild..
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Zambezi on March 31, 2016, 10:19:07 PM
Raul, thank you for sharing the videos.  8)

Its really nice to see large, full grown specimens in their natural habitat.

Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on April 01, 2016, 11:21:31 PM
Several years ago ( 3 to 4 don't remember exactly )  I planted about 200 seeds just to experiment with . Over a 1 to 3 months wait I had 100 % germination , some came up very fast others took their time ...

Then I transplanted some in deep containers ( 50 - 60 cm ) others in 30 cm tall nursery bags and one ( yes only one ) directly in the ground ( when it was 30 cm tall ) close to other trees ( 3 meters away from some Biriba on one side and Ross sapote on the other ) that I check every day or 2 and obviously pamper .... The soil really sucks and I don't fertilize except when I have to take a leak ...lol... They do get water every 2 days .

Results :

Those in 30 cm nursery bags where basically totally neglected , water when I remember ....even totally dried out they survive ( we have an 8 month dry season ) are 40 cm.
 
Those in deep containers , some shade and regular water once a week are more than double the size ( 80 cm to 1 meter )

The one in the ground and in full sun as a 30 cm baby is now over 2 meters . I do notice that it requires more water having a full sun exposure . Most of the wild trees , as you may have noticed in Raul's videos grow close to a brook / river .
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Future on April 02, 2016, 09:30:30 AM
Luc

This is good info!  I have seedlings coming up nicely.  I notice ones kept in m friend's greenhouse over the winter growing much more vigorously than the one I have in the ground.  Big leaves and lots of them.  The one in the ground is surrounded by sweet potatoe leaves and probably 50% shade.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: cmichael258 on April 02, 2016, 10:24:18 AM
I purchased 10 seeds from luc last May, and all germinated. I transferred them to pots that were 15" deep and shaded
with 40% shadecloth and in a small greenhouse during cold snaps. They are now about 7 inches tall. A few of them had the
tap root growing though the bottom hole and I placed the pot in another pot that added 10 or so inches to see how quickly
 the tap root reaches the bottom hole again.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FRUITBOXHERO on April 05, 2016, 07:21:30 PM
(http://s21.postimg.cc/56ki73plv/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/56ki73plv/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/rh8d72mw3/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/rh8d72mw3/)

(http://s21.postimg.cc/t7re8k4f7/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/t7re8k4f7/)
Just a few pics of mine... These are both just under 3 yrs old tallest one is just over 3feet tall and flushing like crazy
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: cmichael258 on April 05, 2016, 08:24:52 PM
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Just a few pics of mine... These are both just under 3 yrs old tallest one is just over 3feet tall and flushing like crazy


Nice!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 05, 2016, 09:07:11 PM
Raul

thanks for posting the excellent videos of the Limoncillo in it's natural habitat!

I feel like I could learn to speak Spanish in a week, if I was searching for rare fruit trees in Mexico!  I could understand most of what your friend was saying!

Keep posting more videos, I love them!

 :)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Tropicaliste on April 05, 2016, 11:59:26 PM
Mine are so slow-growing, they look like fakes. Lol, for comparison, my mangosteen puts new leaves out with better frequency.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Raulglezruiz on April 16, 2016, 12:48:53 PM
In my walkings through the limoncillos habitat,  I have noticed trees that don't produce fruit or another that produce little amounts of fruits, don't know if is because they are shaded among the other trees or because our 7 month dry season, another group produce the regular amount of fruit, and very few are prolific, I have been able to locate 3 trees that have some characteristics different from the rest, one of them is Sharpy, the fruits are elongated as oppose to the regular round ones, the flavor is more strong concentrated, very sweet and tartness, with the sweetness predominant 70/80% in ripe fruits.
 Sweety : a regular round one with a light orange shoulder as oppose
To the regular yellow color, the flavor is 100% sweet, no acidity on the full ripe ones
Prolific: with an abundant crop of regular fruits, which are very good on itself,
In the next week I will go back to the same area to explore a little beat more and report back...
(http://s22.postimg.cc/dohigs2zx/IMG_20160412_214409.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
Sweetie on the left and Sharpie on right


(http://s22.postimg.cc/7bb9fv8kt/IMG_20160412_214136.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
Sharpy

(http://s22.postimg.cc/knw0zijvx/IMG_20160324_190832.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
Next to Garcinia Brasiliensis

(http://s9.postimg.cc/3ueipo8cr/IMG_20160413_123752.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Solko on April 16, 2016, 01:09:52 PM
Very cool video's Raul! Thanks for posting.  :)
It's somehow exciting to see how a new fruit is discovered. It's too bad I cannot grow this one in my climate, but I'm fully in on the discovery! Keep up the good and fun work!  ;D

Solko
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Tetsu0 on April 16, 2016, 01:47:38 PM
In my walkings through the limoncillos habitat,  I have noticed trees that don't produce fruit or another that produce little amounts of fruits, don't know if is because they are shaded among the other trees or because our 7 month dry season, another group produce the regular amount of fruit, and very few are prolific, I have been able to locate 3 trees that have some characteristics different from the rest, one of them is Sharpy, the fruits are elongated as oppose to the regular round ones, the flavor is more strong concentrated, very sweet and tartness, with the sweetness predominant 70/80% in ripe fruits.
 Sweety : a regular round one with a light orange shoulder as oppose
To the regular yellow color, the flavor is 100% sweet, no acidity on the full ripe ones
Prolific: with an abundant crop of regular fruits, which are very good on itself,
In the next week I will go back to the same area to explore a little beat more and report back...
([url]http://s22.postimg.cc/dohigs2zx/IMG_20160412_214409.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/[/url])
Sweetie on the left and Sharpie on right


([url]http://s22.postimg.cc/7bb9fv8kt/IMG_20160412_214136.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/[/url])
Sharpy

([url]http://s22.postimg.cc/knw0zijvx/IMG_20160324_190832.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/[/url])
Next to Garcinia Brasiliensis

([url]http://s9.postimg.cc/3ueipo8cr/IMG_20160413_123752.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimage.org/[/url])


Awesome stuff. Seeing these pics means a lot to all of us interested I'm sure. Do you happen to have a picture of the fruit of the scions you sold recently?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: palologrower on May 14, 2016, 02:07:19 AM
Dumb question so it should be ok if I dug it a hole where it's predominantly clay?   Dug some test holes on neighbors lot and did the water test.   Took a while to drain out couple gallons. Hopefully this will be okay for my one plant.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on May 14, 2016, 03:23:29 AM
Dumb question so it should be ok if I dug it a hole where it's predominantly clay?   Dug some test holes on neighbors lot and did the water test.   Took a while to drain out couple gallons. Hopefully this will be okay for my one plant.

Mix in a lot of black cinder to help with drainage. Suggest 1/3 cinder, 1/3 clay soil, 1/3 macnut or other compost.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: palologrower on May 14, 2016, 07:02:54 AM
Dumb question so it should be ok if I dug it a hole where it's predominantly clay?   Dug some test holes on neighbors lot and did the water test.   Took a while to drain out couple gallons. Hopefully this will be okay for my one plant.

Mix in a lot of black cinder to help with drainage. Suggest 1/3 cinder, 1/3 clay soil, 1/3 macnut or other compost.

Will do.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: simon_grow on June 14, 2016, 07:13:10 PM
I've made an interesting observation that this plant seems to respond well to cytokine treatment. I made an experiment with 4 plants were of 2 were treated with a 30ppm solution of Zeatin with teh hopes that I could stimulate the rate of cell division in the apical meristem. One month later I'm seeing these results:

([url]http://s24.postimg.cc/9zw7qqm5t/20151115_151223.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/9zw7qqm5t/[/url])

We'll see what happens in the future but I'm planning on letting the new leafs harden of then applying a second dose of 20ppm. I'll have to experiment more but maybe Garcinas have adapted to produce low amounts of plant hormones and that application on seedlings could speed up initial growth. Would be interesting to see results with GA3 and IAA too.


Any update on this experiment?

I was also wondering if anyone has considered treating the seeds with colchicine or other newer chemical to create a polyploid plant. The fruit of a polyploid plant may be seedless. The fruit from a regular plant pollinated with this polyploids pollen may also be seedless. This is a similar concept to how they create seedless watermelons.

Simon
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Sleepdoc on June 14, 2016, 09:10:29 PM
Here's mine.  I'm 6'1" and it's about chest high.


(http://s31.postimg.cc/gpwhplm53/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/gpwhplm53/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: kalan on June 14, 2016, 09:51:50 PM
Sleepdoc:
One of my seedlings is about that same size still potted though. I'm thinking about putting it in the ground as well (I'm in Sw Ranches right near you). How has it grown for you in the soil compared to pot culture? Same, slower, faster?
You have it with some shade or full sun?

Thanks,
Keith
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Sleepdoc on June 14, 2016, 10:12:06 PM
Keith,

Mine has been in the ground since it was about 6 inches tall.  It struggled a bit at first, but over the past 2 years it's been happy.  It's planted near some mangos and mulberrys, and gets dappled/filtered light probably 80% of the day and direct sun 20% of the day.  As it continues to grow I may trim the mango/ mulberry in such a way to favor more light reaching Luc's Garcinia.  It is planted in a unique area of my yard that has fairly moist and dark soil.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: cbss_daviefl on June 14, 2016, 10:35:38 PM
Keith,

Put it in the ground. I have two planted for the last 8 months in full sun and windy area across from the horse park and they are doing just as good as the ones in pots under shade. Now that the rainy season is here, I am sure they will take off. I have new growth coming out of barely hardened growth.  If you have it under shade and plan to plant it in full sun, move it gradually over a few weeks.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: kalan on June 15, 2016, 03:30:02 PM
Ok, guys, thanks. Into the ground it goes this weekend.
Keith
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on June 15, 2016, 08:54:46 PM
Hi all , I feel it's time to share some more info about the Luc's Mex. Garcinia . My orchard is right in the area where they grow wild , so in the beginning I was not really interested in this fruit , I am talking now about more than 15 years ago closer to 20 . I really liked them BUT in these days I wanted to grow the real rare exotics , mostly from S. America the Amazon , Asia etc...( the grass is always greener next door ...right )

When my adopted Mexican daughters finally convinced me I should buy a computer ( I am really an old fashion guy and was still stuck in the time of Telex , most of you probably have no idea what I am talking about , these perforated strips of paper ....kinda like a Morse code....lol...) the world opened for me ...I learned about Garcinia's and looking at images on line I figured this must be a Garcinia . The rest is history.

Now , about the fruit itself....there is no such thing as a regular , good , or better . There is a difference in size , yes , depending on where it grows , we do have a lot of cattle running loose and they seek shade and poop under these trees , guess what ...lots of slow release fertilizing . Fruits / seeds carried by birds and bats are dropped all over , some dropped in the right areas close or next to a brook / river equals better soil and lots of humidity and water = larger fruit  .

All of them when perfectly ripe are a delight and really sweet , all at this stage are more orange than yellow . I must say that I also like the fruits in their yellow stage ( not 100 % ripe ) they have more of a lemon taste , that's why the locals call them Limoncillo .

The only thing I cannot explain is the shape in some fruits , even on the same tree , some are more pointed and some are more round . But I see the same thing on my Abiu's .

Talking to quite a few people from Agro Universities in Mexico , trying to ID this fruit , we didn't get anywhere....but most agreed verbally , without committing themselves , it could be a ssp of G. intermedia . One of our Italian members will be doing some DNA tests and will probably post it in the group .

Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: simon_grow on June 16, 2016, 12:00:59 PM
A sweet selection of G intermedia sounds great. There are several photos that you and Raul posted of some very large fruit so at least we know the potential size it can reach. Perhaps we can get consistently large fruit if this species is raised on a commercial farm. Thanks for the information Luc!

Simon
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on June 17, 2016, 04:11:03 AM
I'm no taxonomist but still i somehow doubt that Luc's garcinia is a sub species of intermedia. The fruits are too different, the leaves are too different, and the seeds are too different.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: ScottR on June 17, 2016, 10:08:38 AM
Thanks Luc, for infor on your selection 'Luc Garcinia', I have a couple seedlings about 18" tall sure love the new growth color.Beauiful plant and hopefully some day maybe fruit! ;) 8)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 17, 2016, 10:19:29 AM
I'm no taxonomist but still i somehow doubt that Luc's garcinia is a sub species of intermedia. The fruits are too different, the leaves are too different, and the seeds are too different.

And flowers are different too! I've only seen androgynous flowers on intermedia...doesn't Lucs make male and female (or androgynous) ?

I agree 1000% with Fruitlovers
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on June 18, 2016, 03:07:59 AM
I got four trees in the ground. One is 8 feet tall, the others are 7, 6, 5 feet tall. No sign of flowers on any of them. I gave them a shot of 0-0-50. Hope that helps to get them to flower soon.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FRUITBOXHERO on June 18, 2016, 10:55:20 AM
I got four trees in the ground. One is 8 feet tall, the others are 7, 6, 5 feet tall. No sign of flowers on any of them. I gave them a shot of 0-0-50. Hope that helps to get them to flower soon.


Any pics of your trees Oscar?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Raulglezruiz on June 18, 2016, 12:32:21 PM
I'm no taxonomist but still i somehow doubt that Luc's garcinia is a sub species of intermedia. The fruits are too different, the leaves are too different, and the seeds are too different.

And flowers are different too! I've only seen androgynous flowers on intermedia...doesn't Lucs make male and female (or androgynous) ?

I agree 1000% with Fruitlovers
I agree 1000% also flesh color is different, Intermedia is white translucent  while Limoncillo is pale yellow which cannot see through...
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on June 20, 2016, 04:43:32 AM
I got four trees in the ground. One is 8 feet tall, the others are 7, 6, 5 feet tall. No sign of flowers on any of them. I gave them a shot of 0-0-50. Hope that helps to get them to flower soon.



Any pics of your trees Oscar?

Haven't taken any photos recently, but here's a photo taken just over a year ago, will give you some idea:

(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/GarciniaMexican.jpg)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: cmichael258 on June 20, 2016, 11:25:32 AM
Beautiful, and so healthy looking!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: arvind on November 16, 2016, 07:21:45 AM
I am going to repost this here as i realize i posted it in wrong thread about Lucangosteen. Sorry if you've already seen it.

I took this photo today. It is of the largest of a row of Lucangosteens i have planted. This plant is about 7 feet tall. The others a bit smaller. They are in full sun.
([url]http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/GarciniaMexican.jpg[/url])


wow what a beautiful plant.How old is the tree oscar?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on November 16, 2016, 04:13:18 PM
I guess that tree is about 6 years old.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cassio on November 16, 2016, 05:09:12 PM
I have a small seedling of Luc´s garcinia, 50 cm tall. This weekend I noted the trunk has a few cracks, and an yellow goma exudes from them. Is it normal? Somebody already experienced this?
If it isn´t normal, there´s something I can do to cure the seedling?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 22, 2016, 03:11:55 AM
I have a small seedling of Luc´s garcinia, 50 cm tall. This weekend I noted the trunk has a few cracks, and an yellow goma exudes from them. Is it normal? Somebody already experienced this?
If it isn´t normal, there´s something I can do to cure the seedling?
It's normal
Lot of garcinias exude this resin
Called "Gamboge"

It's used medicinally and for industrial purposes (as yellow pigment for dying)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cassio on November 22, 2016, 08:18:08 AM
It's normal
Lot of garcinias exude this resin
Called "Gamboge"

It's used medicinally and for industrial purposes (as yellow pigment for dying)

thank you my friend!  8)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: stuartdaly88 on November 22, 2016, 08:31:53 AM
The rate of growth and size for my one year old seedling I cant even imagine it being the size of Oscars one in 20 years  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 22, 2016, 03:19:20 PM
check out the updated pic...

here is one from last year, around October 2015

(http://s4.postimg.cc/51pyddtw9/IMG_2954.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/51pyddtw9/)

today:

(https://s13.postimg.cc/7mgg82o83/IMG_2277.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/7mgg82o83/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: kalan on November 22, 2016, 03:32:12 PM
Adam:
I thought you were keeping them all in pots? Did the growth rate change any once in ground? I have a few specimens still in pots that I intend to plant out after this winter. They are about 4 years old now. How old is this one you photographed?
Keith
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 22, 2016, 03:36:41 PM
Adam:
I thought you were keeping them all in pots? Did the growth rate change any once in ground? I have a few specimens still in pots that I intend to plant out after this winter. They are about 4 years old now. How old is this one you photographed?
Keith

planted one out a while ago, growth rate same, real slow.
not sure how old, but about 8-10yr I assume by now.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on November 22, 2016, 04:19:19 PM
The rate of growth and size for my one year old seedling I cant even imagine it being the size of Oscars one in 20 years  :'( :'( :'(
They start to grow a lot faster once they are a couple of feet tall and in the ground.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 22, 2016, 04:34:36 PM
The rate of growth and size for my one year old seedling I cant even imagine it being the size of Oscars one in 20 years  :'( :'( :'(
They start to grow a lot faster once they are a couple of feet tall and in the ground.

unless u live in central FL like me...where we get no rain, and too much heat for spring/summer, and then too cold for winter!  It really stunts the tree....leaves always slightly burnt over here...but the tree is strong.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 22, 2016, 04:38:26 PM
here is one that got better treatment, in a pot, in the greenhouse, with ample water

from Nov of 2015 in 15 gal pot
(http://s9.postimg.cc/bw48ynthn/IMG_3280.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bw48ynthn/)
today, 60 gal
(https://s22.postimg.cc/jj16po8n1/IMG_2178.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/jj16po8n1/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Sleepdoc on December 02, 2016, 02:12:36 PM
Mine is still growing - slowly but it does seem to be picking up a little.  Still in a relatively shaded area, putting out some beautiful and large leaves.  I'm 6'1" and the central leader is now at eye level. 

(https://s4.postimg.cc/q9c18sojt/IMG_8571.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/q9c18sojt/)

(https://s4.postimg.cc/x12gbndjd/IMG_8574.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/x12gbndjd/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: arvind on December 14, 2016, 11:08:06 PM
Yesterday I went to the zoo to get scions of a beautyfull bright red reticulata I just discover last week when I took my 10 years old boy; the problem is that is inside a little Island set on a pond where is the home of the spider monkeys; to get there I have to cross the pond with hundreds of hungry carp fish,
I wasn't lucky cause the encharged Who authorized me to come back to pick the wood was out of the city; since I was there and I knew a few Lucmoncillo trees on the river, I decided to go and take a look; to my surprise I found this tree with a few small, unripe fruits and still flowering ; unusual cause usually by this time season is over; the problem with this tree is so tall that fruit is unreachable; I was lucky to find a single one perfectly ripe on the ground! It was on its prime; superb lemons sweet gelato/pye flavor/consistency; amazing fruit
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PD anybody knows how to upload video? I want to show one of the lucmoncillo environment

How tall can a limoncillo tree grow?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on December 15, 2016, 07:48:30 PM
Arvind , It all depends on where it grows ( type of soil , water , fertilized by cattle ) like I mentioned in a previous message . Shape and height is very different . Some grow like a Christmas tree ( or like a Mangosteen ) others have an almost round canopy , others go straight up  . I would say an average of 10 meters .

Just for fun , I planted one inside my orchard in the worst type of soil , almost never water it . If it were an animal I'd be put in jail for animal-cruelty . I kept , read : the most unprofessional pruning anyone could do , slashing away with the machete to keep it around 3 meters . Doesn't give a damn....Flowering again right now , seems early, too bad I never made a note of flowering time for the previous years .
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: schizoidman on December 15, 2016, 10:43:14 PM
Yes, Luc's Garcinia are tough! I have more than ten 3.5 years old trees on the ground, shaded and not shaded.
Typhoons usually slash most of the leaves every year, they can recover in a month or two.
We have plants flowered in Taiwan but haven't heard of any fruits yet.

(https://s28.postimg.cc/ybj1atgyh/DSC02600.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ybj1atgyh/)
(https://s28.postimg.cc/mnozg9rtl/DSC02747.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/mnozg9rtl/)
(https://s28.postimg.cc/ye7ibe9zt/DSC02965.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ye7ibe9zt/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: arvind on December 16, 2016, 12:56:25 AM
Arvind , It all depends on where it grows ( type of soil , water , fertilized by cattle ) like I mentioned in a previous message . Shape and height is very different . Some grow like a Christmas tree ( or like a Mangosteen ) others have an almost round canopy , others go straight up  . I would say an average of 10 meters .

Just for fun , I planted one inside my orchard in the worst type of soil , almost never water it . If it were an animal I'd be put in jail for animal-cruelty . I kept , read : the most unprofessional pruning anyone could do , slashing away with the machete to keep it around 3 meters . Doesn't give a damn....Flowering again right now , seems early, too bad I never made a note of flowering time for the previous years .
Wow this species can be the most hardiest species of garcinia known to mankind.Also in malaysia where i live the purple mangosteen can be the most choosiest plant demanding a lot in terms of soil and sunlight.This mexican garcinia holds a lot of potential because it can be grown in placest where purple mangosteen cannot grow especially in drier areas.After some googling i got to know that Jalisco is known for its dry deciduos forest.This means your mangosteen can be grown in many places such as in India, northern coast of east java , east of lesser sunda( Flores ,sumbawa,sumba),drier region of africa and many more places
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: xunxun88 on January 07, 2017, 08:59:08 AM

(https://s24.postimg.cc/x7lylk8td/IMAG0718.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/x7lylk8td/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: cmichael258 on January 07, 2017, 09:37:48 AM

(https://s24.postimg.cc/x7lylk8td/IMAG0718.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/x7lylk8td/)

Congratulations. How old is your plant?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 07, 2017, 10:33:48 AM
Mine started flowering! It's only about 4 - 5 feet tall but is at least 7 years old.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: dwfl on January 07, 2017, 10:38:29 AM
Mine started flowering! It's only about 4 - 5 feet tall but is at least 7 years old.

Congrats!! Exciting. Hope you get fruit. When did you put in ground? Sun/shade?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 07, 2017, 10:43:56 AM
Thanks! Been in ground for only 2 years. Full sun.

Mine started flowering! It's only about 4 - 5 feet tall but is at least 7 years old.

Congrats!! Exciting. Hope you get fruit. When did you put in ground? Sun/shade?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: merce3 on January 07, 2017, 06:09:46 PM
Thanks! Been in ground for only 2 years. Full sun.

Mine started flowering! It's only about 4 - 5 feet tall but is at least 7 years old.

Congrats!! Exciting. Hope you get fruit. When did you put in ground? Sun/shade?

Do you know where I can find a mature tree?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: xunxun88 on January 07, 2017, 08:36:44 PM

(https://s24.postimg.cc/x7lylk8td/IMAG0718.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/x7lylk8td/)

Congratulations. How old is your plant?

Thanks,about 4 years old plant
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Raulglezruiz on January 08, 2017, 07:29:26 AM
Congratulations 🎊 to Jeff and Xunxun hopefully soon can enjoy this delicious 😋 fruit.............!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: knlim000 on January 08, 2017, 08:25:45 AM
is luc garcina = achaircra?  if not where can i buy some seeds?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: arvind on January 09, 2017, 04:17:38 AM
is luc garcina = achaircra?  if not where can i buy some seeds?

Nope it is a new species encountered by luc vleeracker in Jalisco Mexico.You can get them from luc vleeracker himself or oscar of fruitlovers
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: dwfl on January 09, 2017, 09:47:03 AM
is luc garcina = achaircra?  if not where can i buy some seeds?

Nope it is a new species encountered by luc vleeracker in Jalisco Mexico.You can get them from luc vleeracker himself or oscar of fruitlovers

Puerto Vallarta* Mexico no?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Sleepdoc on January 09, 2017, 03:36:16 PM
Great news on the flowering Jeff !  Pics please ...
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 09, 2017, 05:07:02 PM
Mine started flowering! It's only about 4 - 5 feet tall but is at least 7 years old.

Congrats!

I hope it make androgynous or self pollinating female flower and fruit right away!

I have 3 trees over 5ft tall...praying for flowers/fruits soon!

Have made some nice grafted trees last year...I'm keeping them all...lol...they grow too nice on lemon drop roots
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 09, 2017, 06:46:24 PM
Thanks! I'll snap a pic tomorrow. The tree looks pretty horrible. It dropped a lot of leaves. Then when I installed irrigation, it started putting on leaves and flowers!

Once you get enough of those grafted trees to sell, you're gonna have to sell me one :-).

Mine started flowering! It's only about 4 - 5 feet tall but is at least 7 years old.

Congrats!

I hope it make androgynous or self pollinating female flower and fruit right away!

I have 3 trees over 5ft tall...praying for flowers/fruits soon!

Have made some nice grafted trees last year...I'm keeping them all...lol...they grow too nice on lemon drop roots
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: arvind on January 09, 2017, 09:42:44 PM
is luc garcina = achaircra?  if not where can i buy some seeds?

Nope it is a new species encountered by luc vleeracker in Jalisco Mexico.You can get them from luc vleeracker himself or oscar of fruitlovers

Puerto Vallarta* Mexico no?
Puerto vallarta is in jalisco :D
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 10, 2017, 12:01:23 AM
Cookiemon,

Did u yank out that big lemon drop??
If not use them as rootstock!  Or maybe topwork the big lemon drop with lucs!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 10, 2017, 12:35:16 AM
yah, it's long gone :-). Pina colada mango in its place.

Cookiemon,

Did u yank out that big lemon drop??
If not use them as rootstock!  Or maybe topwork the big lemon drop with lucs!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on January 10, 2017, 07:55:40 PM
Yes Arvind , Puerto Vallarta , Jalisco , Mexico . The new fruiting season this year ( 2017 ) will be in April - May . Seeds will be available at that time .

Cheers.

Luc
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on January 10, 2017, 08:10:52 PM
To all the lucky guys who have fruit forming , don't be impatient to taste the fruit , let it ripen to a slight orange color when the skin gives a little , the riper it gets the sweeter the pulp will be .
Later when you have a good crop ( for sale ) you can pick them at the green showing some yellow , stage . They will ripen by them self , just like with the Abiu .
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Garcinia on January 10, 2017, 09:26:21 PM
Anyone know where to get seeds of this Garcinia?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 10, 2017, 11:06:23 PM
Anyone know where to get seeds of this Garcinia?

there's this rare fruit collector in Mexico named Luc, I think he has them.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: EvilFruit on January 11, 2017, 10:06:23 AM
Anyone know where to get seeds of this Garcinia?

From the master himself...Luc
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: dwfl on January 11, 2017, 10:08:51 AM
I think this Luc guy might have an account here  :-X
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on January 11, 2017, 07:55:53 PM
Don't make me blush guys .....new season is April - May 2017
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Garcinia on January 11, 2017, 08:52:25 PM
Don't make me blush guys .....new season is April - May 2017

Great. Will order some then.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 11, 2017, 08:58:45 PM
Don't make me blush guys .....new season is April - May 2017
save me a baker's dozen.  :P
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 12, 2017, 03:08:09 PM
OK, any of you garcinian cowboys know if these are male or female flowers? My 7 - 8 year old charlie brown tree is puping out its first 3 flowers (hopefully more to come!). If you look at the close-up, you can see microscopic ants romping around on the stamens.


(https://s27.postimg.cc/o3kilmpan/DSC00168.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/o3kilmpan/)

(https://s27.postimg.cc/6rordxl73/DSC00170.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/6rordxl73/)

(https://s27.postimg.cc/ngq79uhsf/DSC00172.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ngq79uhsf/)

(https://s27.postimg.cc/8jh81tny7/DSC00170c.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8jh81tny7/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: cbss_daviefl on January 12, 2017, 03:47:07 PM
The flower on the left looks perfect. The one on the right may be male.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 12, 2017, 04:18:08 PM
YAY! Maybe I'll get a solitary fruit to eat!

The flower on the left looks perfect. The one on the right may be male.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Vernmented on January 12, 2017, 08:41:05 PM
I am so excited for you! Is this in the acidic yard?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

OK, any of you garcinian cowboys know if these are male or female flowers? My 7 - 8 year old charlie brown tree is puping out its first 3 flowers (hopefully more to come!). If you look at the close-up, you can see microscopic ants romping around on the stamens.

(https://s27.postimg.cc/o3kilmpan/DSC00168.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/o3kilmpan/)

(https://s27.postimg.cc/6rordxl73/DSC00170.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/6rordxl73/)

(https://s27.postimg.cc/ngq79uhsf/DSC00172.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ngq79uhsf/)

(https://s27.postimg.cc/8jh81tny7/DSC00170c.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8jh81tny7/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 12, 2017, 09:25:28 PM
:-) Thanks! Yep, this is the acidic lot. The luc mangosteen didn't perk up until I installed irrigation.

I am so excited for you! Is this in the acidic yard?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

OK, any of you garcinian cowboys know if these are male or female flowers? My 7 - 8 year old charlie brown tree is puping out its first 3 flowers (hopefully more to come!). If you look at the close-up, you can see microscopic ants romping around on the stamens.

(https://s27.postimg.cc/o3kilmpan/DSC00168.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/o3kilmpan/)

(https://s27.postimg.cc/6rordxl73/DSC00170.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/6rordxl73/)

(https://s27.postimg.cc/ngq79uhsf/DSC00172.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ngq79uhsf/)

(https://s27.postimg.cc/8jh81tny7/DSC00170c.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8jh81tny7/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: arvind on January 12, 2017, 10:42:58 PM
OK, any of you garcinian cowboys know if these are male or female flowers? My 7 - 8 year old charlie brown tree is puping out its first 3 flowers (hopefully more to come!). If you look at the close-up, you can see microscopic ants romping around on the stamens.


(https://s27.postimg.cc/o3kilmpan/DSC00168.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/o3kilmpan/)

(https://s27.postimg.cc/6rordxl73/DSC00170.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/6rordxl73/)

(https://s27.postimg.cc/ngq79uhsf/DSC00172.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ngq79uhsf/)

(https://s27.postimg.cc/8jh81tny7/DSC00170c.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8jh81tny7/)

Wow what a beauty.At what age can the tree handle full sun? I hear this plant can handle full sun at younger age than the purple mangosteen
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 12, 2017, 11:30:25 PM
Thanks. I've had mine in full sun nearly its entire life. They seem to tolerate both full sun or shade but better / quicker growth from part shade.

Wow what a beauty.At what age can the tree handle full sun? I hear this plant can handle full sun at younger age than the purple mangosteen
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: arvind on January 12, 2017, 11:41:28 PM
Thanks. I've had mine in full sun nearly its entire life. They seem to tolerate both full sun or shade but better / quicker growth from part shade.

Wow what a beauty.At what age can the tree handle full sun? I hear this plant can handle full sun at younger age than the purple mangosteen
Damn thats amazing.You can't do that to purple mangosteen because the leaves would get burned.This mexican mangosteen sure is a hardy plant
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 13, 2017, 12:30:16 AM
Very hardy. Also withstood temps into the lower 30's for several hours. It's like garcinia intermedia in terms of hardiness.

Thanks. I've had mine in full sun nearly its entire life. They seem to tolerate both full sun or shade but better / quicker growth from part shade.

Wow what a beauty.At what age can the tree handle full sun? I hear this plant can handle full sun at younger age than the purple mangosteen
Damn thats amazing.You can't do that to purple mangosteen because the leaves would get burned.This mexican mangosteen sure is a hardy plant
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Sleepdoc on January 13, 2017, 05:44:45 AM
Wow, thats impressive!   Gives me hope that mine could flower in the next few years
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 13, 2017, 03:05:55 PM
oh snap!  it got herm and male flower!  u gonna be braggin about first fruits soon amigo!
OK, any of you garcinian cowboys know if these are male or female flowers? My 7 - 8 year old charlie brown tree is puping out its first 3 flowers (hopefully more to come!). If you look at the close-up, you can see microscopic ants romping around on the stamens.


(https://s27.postimg.cc/o3kilmpan/DSC00168.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/o3kilmpan/)

(https://s27.postimg.cc/6rordxl73/DSC00170.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/6rordxl73/)

(https://s27.postimg.cc/ngq79uhsf/DSC00172.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ngq79uhsf/)

(https://s27.postimg.cc/8jh81tny7/DSC00170c.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8jh81tny7/)

Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: dwfl on January 13, 2017, 03:12:11 PM
Yeah this would be first Mex garcinia fruit in Florida (as far as we know anyways).
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on January 13, 2017, 03:17:56 PM
ya dwfl i think u maybe right...

and thanks cookiemonster for sharing pics! 

you got our rare fruit juices flowing again....this is real exciting news...


Yeah this would be first Mex garcinia fruit in Florida (as far as we know anyways).
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: arvind on January 13, 2017, 07:57:23 PM
Is the tree dioceus needing male and female tree?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 13, 2017, 08:53:28 PM
Thanks! Yah, this cookie monstar is getting a little excited :-). I acquired that tree somewhere around 2009 as a little, barely sprouted seedling. It kicked it in a 3 gallon pot until about 2 years ago when I dropped it into the ground.

ya dwfl i think u maybe right...

and thanks cookiemonster for sharing pics! 

you got our rare fruit juices flowing again....this is real exciting news...


Yeah this would be first Mex garcinia fruit in Florida (as far as we know anyways).
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: marklee on January 27, 2017, 06:14:57 PM
This is a Luc's on Imbe done in June of 2016. I think the new world garcinias graft fine on the old world gardenias, at least on the Imbe.
(https://s24.postimg.cc/d975qe4n5/luc_on_imbe.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/d975qe4n5/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Vernmented on January 27, 2017, 07:16:29 PM
This is a Luc's on Imbe done in June of 2016. I think the new world garcinias graft fine on the old world gardenias, at least on the Imbe.
(https://s24.postimg.cc/d975qe4n5/luc_on_imbe.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/d975qe4n5/)

This is great information. Thank you so much for sharing!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: wonderfruit on January 27, 2017, 07:32:15 PM
I tryed uncessfully 3 Lucs and i used as roostock garcinia hombroniana.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: marklee on January 27, 2017, 08:08:54 PM
I tryed uncessfully 3 Lucs and i used as roostock garcinia hombroniana.
Try the Imbe, they are real cold tolerant.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on January 28, 2017, 01:29:55 AM
This is a Luc's on Imbe done in June of 2016. I think the new world garcinias graft fine on the old world gardenias, at least on the Imbe.
(https://s24.postimg.cc/d975qe4n5/luc_on_imbe.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/d975qe4n5/)
Congratulations! Maybe the graft was compatible because imbe is not really a old world garcinia in standard sense? it is an African garcinia, not an Asian garcinia. African continent at one time was connected with South American continent. So African garcinias might have closer affinity for that reason? Don't know. Just theorizing.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: palologrower on January 28, 2017, 04:07:19 AM
Luc-going on 9 months and some of the seeds are only starting to pop their head out of the soil!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Schutzhund on January 28, 2017, 12:34:09 PM
Where can I get myself this Luc Garcinia?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: marklee on January 28, 2017, 02:50:57 PM
Where can I get myself this Luc Garcinia?

I know "Ong" nursery has them in San Diego. They are small like all others in California.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Schutzhund on January 28, 2017, 03:17:06 PM
Do you any where that carries them in the Los Angeles area?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: marklee on January 28, 2017, 04:06:20 PM
Do you any where that carries them in the Los Angeles area?
Sorry no.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: arvind on January 31, 2017, 06:22:35 AM
Thanks! Yah, this cookie monstar is getting a little excited :-). I acquired that tree somewhere around 2009 as a little, barely sprouted seedling. It kicked it in a 3 gallon pot until about 2 years ago when I dropped it into the ground.





So any updates on the tree.Did the flower become fruits? I am really eager to know
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 31, 2017, 11:11:59 AM
Nope. They all fell off :-(.

Thanks! Yah, this cookie monstar is getting a little excited :-). I acquired that tree somewhere around 2009 as a little, barely sprouted seedling. It kicked it in a 3 gallon pot until about 2 years ago when I dropped it into the ground.
So any updates on the tree.Did the flower become fruits? I am really eager to know
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: arvind on January 31, 2017, 07:58:43 PM
Nope. They all fell off :-(.

Thanks! Yah, this cookie monstar is getting a little excited :-). I acquired that tree somewhere around 2009 as a little, barely sprouted seedling. It kicked it in a 3 gallon pot until about 2 years ago when I dropped it into the ground.
So any updates on the tree.Did the flower become fruits? I am really eager to know

 :-[  Well what caused the fruit to drop?Is it humidity or a sudden storm? I read Luc mentioned in other thread that a sudden storm caused th flowers to fall
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Vernmented on January 31, 2017, 09:24:31 PM
Dead To Me. JK.
Nope. They all fell off :-(.

Thanks! Yah, this cookie monstar is getting a little excited :-). I acquired that tree somewhere around 2009 as a little, barely sprouted seedling. It kicked it in a 3 gallon pot until about 2 years ago when I dropped it into the ground.
So any updates on the tree.Did the flower become fruits? I am really eager to know
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: xunxun88 on March 16, 2017, 08:49:12 AM

(https://s24.postimg.cc/x7lylk8td/IMAG0718.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/x7lylk8td/)

The first flowering, it fell off
(https://s29.postimg.cc/ubbhla9jn/47536.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ubbhla9jn/)


The second flowering, now
(https://s29.postimg.cc/9pwptdryr/47535.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9pwptdryr/)

(https://s29.postimg.cc/40gh92lsj/47531.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/40gh92lsj/)


Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 16, 2017, 11:08:00 AM
Mine flowered a second time. Out of about 30 - 40 flowers, only 3 or 4 were female. And out of those, one seems to be holding and growing.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: dwfl on March 16, 2017, 11:13:02 AM
Sadhu mentioned his tree is holding fruit right now. He'll get to sample soon.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: arvind on March 16, 2017, 11:53:26 PM

(https://s24.postimg.cc/x7lylk8td/IMAG0718.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/x7lylk8td/)

The first flowering, it fell off
(https://s29.postimg.cc/ubbhla9jn/47536.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ubbhla9jn/)


The second flowering, now
(https://s29.postimg.cc/9pwptdryr/47535.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9pwptdryr/)

(https://s29.postimg.cc/40gh92lsj/47531.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/40gh92lsj/)
This tree is 4 years old  and planted from seed right?. Never thought it can flower at a young age.What kind of fertilizer do you feed it
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Schutzhund on March 17, 2017, 11:52:37 AM
I have new growth on mine
(https://s30.postimg.cc/z2y6ov5tp/20170317_085118.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/z2y6ov5tp/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Canvo on April 09, 2017, 12:59:37 AM
Just wondering if Lucs G. Set fruit ok by themselves or do I need a second? I have another one that I can plant out but would have to plant within 2 feet of the first, I simply have no more room. I do have an Achacha about 30 feet away but am uncertain that it will help my Luc's. any wisdom appreciated!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: arvind on April 09, 2017, 07:27:22 AM
Just wondering if Lucs G. Set fruit ok by themselves or do I need a second? I have another one that I can plant out but would have to plant within 2 feet of the first, I simply have no more room. I do have an Achacha about 30 feet away but am uncertain that it will help my Luc's. any wisdom appreciated!
Single tree is enough.I supposed this species has a hard time setting fruit outside puerta vallarta jalisco due to the climate.Maybe this species needs a rather long dry season for the fruit to stick
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Raulglezruiz on April 10, 2017, 07:45:28 PM
The botanologist who were here last January mentioned some trees has more amount of male flowers, and another come with hermafrodhites flowers.. M
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: arvind on April 13, 2017, 01:51:53 AM
Mine flowered a second time. Out of about 30 - 40 flowers, only 3 or 4 were female. And out of those, one seems to be holding and growing.

Any update on the tree? Hopefully it manage to bear fruit
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on April 13, 2017, 12:01:09 PM
Yep. I got one fruit that is currently about an inch and a half long and fattening up.

Mine flowered a second time. Out of about 30 - 40 flowers, only 3 or 4 were female. And out of those, one seems to be holding and growing.

Any update on the tree? Hopefully it manage to bear fruit
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: BestDay on April 13, 2017, 12:07:21 PM
exciting!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: arvind on April 13, 2017, 09:26:43 PM
Yep. I got one fruit that is currently about an inch and a half long and fattening up.

Mine flowered a second time. Out of about 30 - 40 flowers, only 3 or 4 were female. And out of those, one seems to be holding and growing.

Any update on the tree? Hopefully it manage to bear fruit
:) :)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Mike T on April 25, 2017, 02:17:15 AM
Talk about flower power and today was a big one in the garden as I haven't had a good look around in a while.

Four years ago I planted out a Luc's Mexican garcinia which was about 8 inches high. Now at about 8 feet I inspect it all the time looking for flowers and are yet to be rewarded. Ironically a 3 feet high specimen which has been in the ground hardly 2 years has flowers that I just noticed. I have a few trees planted too close so my Eugenia candolleana and blue jab (vexator) yielded some branches to give it more space and I noticed large green fruit on the vexator branches I trimmed as well as the candolleana.I chopped the branches up and put them around my escarlatte jabs and noticed one has fruit.With all this action I threw off the shackles and went to my Russell sweet trees.I see flowers on the female busting out all over but the male is flower-less.I cant remember a day with so many positive discoveries in the garden with Lucs Mexican Garcinia probably the highlight.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FRUITBOXHERO on April 25, 2017, 04:37:39 PM
Yep. I got one fruit that is currently about an inch and a half long and fattening up.

Mine flowered a second time. Out of about 30 - 40 flowers, only 3 or 4 were female. And out of those, one seems to be holding and growing.

Any update on the tree? Hopefully it manage to bear fruit

OK Jeff, you're going to split that one tiny fruit with all your south florida friends correct? we will all come over and get a nibble lmao
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Canvo on April 25, 2017, 11:28:24 PM
MikeT it sounds like you should ignore your garden more often!! I have recently planted out 2 Lucs so hopefully you will get some fruit set soon, very keen to hear your review. I'd also love to get hold of seeds of Russells sweet in the future when they are around next if you have any spare. Cheers
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Bonakyon on April 26, 2017, 09:47:06 AM
OP here, thought I'd post an update to my Luc's G. since this thread was started more than 3 years ago. It's now about 16-18 inches tall and has 2 new branches. I think the steady supply of water from the small sprinkler may have helped a bit. Otherwise its a slow grower in this environment.  Does seem to look healthy though, what do you guys think..?
(https://s4.postimg.cc/cutp60621/IMG_20170426_064827.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/cutp60621/)

(https://s4.postimg.cc/ik9xqbc89/IMG_20170426_064917.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ik9xqbc89/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fsanchez2002 on April 26, 2017, 10:50:14 AM
Talk about flower power and today was a big one in the garden as I haven't had a good look around in a while.

Four years ago I planted out a Luc's Mexican garcinia which was about 8 inches high. Now at about 8 feet I inspect it all the time looking for flowers and are yet to be rewarded. Ironically a 3 feet high specimen which has been in the ground hardly 2 years has flowers that I just noticed. I have a few trees planted too close so my Eugenia candolleana and blue jab (vexator) yielded some branches to give it more space and I noticed large green fruit on the vexator branches I trimmed as well as the candolleana.I chopped the branches up and put them around my escarlatte jabs and noticed one has fruit.With all this action I threw off the shackles and went to my Russell sweet trees.I see flowers on the female busting out all over but the male is flower-less.I cant remember a day with so many positive discoveries in the garden with Lucs Mexican Garcinia probably the highlight.

Mike: Congratulations that's fantastic and I share your enthusiasm! I keep looking to see if my Luc's Garcinias start flowering... at least I just saw male and female flowers on my GAristata after 5 years! congrats again.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Raulglezruiz on April 26, 2017, 07:00:23 PM
Congrats Mike!!nothing nicer that seeing a new tree flowering!thi month  saw unidetified
Campomanesia and another misterious one that Im between pouteria or lacmellea, flowers didnt hold so hopefully next yeat ill know what they are!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: ScottR on April 26, 2017, 07:56:54 PM
Too cool to see ;)Congrates 8)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: xunxun88 on July 31, 2017, 09:07:01 AM

(https://s24.postimg.cc/x7lylk8td/IMAG0718.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/x7lylk8td/)

The first flowering, it fell off
(https://s29.postimg.cc/ubbhla9jn/47536.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ubbhla9jn/)


The second flowering, now
(https://s29.postimg.cc/9pwptdryr/47535.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9pwptdryr/)

(https://s29.postimg.cc/40gh92lsj/47531.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/40gh92lsj/)

Other seedlings flowering
(https://s1.postimg.cc/rjdorhuh7/IMAG15761.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/rjdorhuh7/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Raulglezruiz on July 31, 2017, 11:00:32 AM
Nice Xunxun, 🎊 congratulations!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on July 31, 2017, 04:10:25 PM
Mine are getting huge, but no flowering yet.  :'( I think the plants are just too happy. Often stressing is what initiates flowering in very young plants.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Raulglezruiz on July 31, 2017, 08:02:20 PM
Mine are getting huge, but no flowering yet.  :'( I think the plants are just too happy. Often stressing is what initiates flowering in very young plants.
Oscar they flower here around Dec-January after 2 or 3 months of dry season, I think yours are coming same time as we are almost same latitude 21.5  here...
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on July 31, 2017, 11:03:33 PM
Mine are getting huge, but no flowering yet.  :'( I think the plants are just too happy. Often stressing is what initiates flowering in very young plants.
Oscar they flower here around Dec-January after 2 or 3 months of dry season, I think yours are coming same time as we are almost same latitude 21.5  here...
OK thanks. We don't have a dry season here, though this summer has been a lot drier than usual. Latitude here is 19N.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: dwfl on July 31, 2017, 11:58:46 PM
At least one of Sadhu's trees fruited for him so far. He said the fruit reminded him of a sweeter version of G. xanthochymus and thought there was a hint of a strawberry-like flavor.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on August 01, 2017, 01:23:59 PM
Kind of interesting information .

Months ago I was asked for fresh Mexican Garcinia fruits to be sent to a far away place . Picking these fruits one small 6 - 7 cm , under-develloped , totally green and hard as a stone also fell on the ground . I didn't want to send that one also so I kept it in my workplace , no refrigeration . The fruit ripened by itself and stayed good for several months , no rot . Never had the chance to try it , my wife cleaning my work area threw it away a few days ago ....
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: sytanta on August 01, 2017, 01:46:04 PM
The fruit ripened by itself and stayed good for several months , no rot .

I saw fruit sellers in my region soaked apples into some chemical liquid. They lasted for over three months, no rot but were blackening from the inside. I guess under-developed Mexican Garcinia fruits have anti-rot elements that can also resist the "blackening from the inside" part.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: dwfl on August 01, 2017, 03:34:16 PM
Raul harvested some unripe mex garcinia 2 weeks before I arrived and they were ripe and viable when he gave them to me. Good to know these can still ripen up if harvested early for whatever reason
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Future on August 01, 2017, 08:18:13 PM
Mine are getting huge, but no flowering yet.  :'( I think the plants are just too happy. Often stressing is what initiates flowering in very young plants.
Oscar they flower here around Dec-January after 2 or 3 months of dry season, I think yours are coming same time as we are almost same latitude 21.5  here...
OK thanks. We don't have a dry season here, though this summer has been a lot drier than usual. Latitude here is 19N.

Oscar - first, how have you been?

With no dry season, I'm interested to know (off topic) what mangoes produce regularly for you.  I know Rapoza does well with its persistent flowering habit.  What else?  Is it correct you also have no cold trigger at your elevation?  Is rain just low in a given season?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Sven on August 01, 2017, 09:08:27 PM
Just for comparison sake I found at my place that Luc's Garcinia can't take as much cold as Garcinia humilis.  I didn't bother covering the greenhouse with plastic this past winter and the leaves on Luc's Garcinia turned brown and eventually fell off while G. humilis did not loose any leaves.  The link below is to a picture of the plants.  They were side by side in the greenhouse which only had 30% shade cloth on it.  Both are 2 or 3 years old.  Both plants are still alive and have just this week put out new growth.

(https://s26.postimg.cc/ygfsuu3xh/Garcinia.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ygfsuu3xh/)
https://postimg.cc/image/ygfsuu3xh/
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on August 02, 2017, 01:18:39 AM
Mine are getting huge, but no flowering yet.  :'( I think the plants are just too happy. Often stressing is what initiates flowering in very young plants.
Oscar they flower here around Dec-January after 2 or 3 months of dry season, I think yours are coming same time as we are almost same latitude 21.5  here...
OK thanks. We don't have a dry season here, though this summer has been a lot drier than usual. Latitude here is 19N.

Oscar - first, how have you been?

With no dry season, I'm interested to know (off topic) what mangoes produce regularly for you.  I know Rapoza does well with its persistent flowering habit.  What else?  Is it correct you also have no cold trigger at your elevation?  Is rain just low in a given season?
Fine thanks. Best producing "mangoes" are non mangoes originating in highlands: Mangifera kasturi and Mangifera odorata. Of the real mangoes the ones that have done best are Fairchild, Brook's Late, Edward, Florigon, Manzanillo, Kurashige, and the Rapoza. It's very tricky to grow mangoes here on windward side of the island. The leeward side (Kona) it's much easier because their rain fall is so much lower. There are also other parts of this island that are very dry, like Kau (southern part) and really that is much more ideal for mangoes. We don't get any dry spells, except for occasional 1-2 week periods, and no cold spells. Coolest emperature in winter is around 65, with very occasional dips to 60.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Future on August 03, 2017, 04:01:30 PM
Mine are getting huge, but no flowering yet.  :'( I think the plants are just too happy. Often stressing is what initiates flowering in very young plants.
Oscar they flower here around Dec-January after 2 or 3 months of dry season, I think yours are coming same time as we are almost same latitude 21.5  here...
OK thanks. We don't have a dry season here, though this summer has been a lot drier than usual. Latitude here is 19N.

Oscar - first, how have you been?

With no dry season, I'm interested to know (off topic) what mangoes produce regularly for you.  I know Rapoza does well with its persistent flowering habit.  What else?  Is it correct you also have no cold trigger at your elevation?  Is rain just low in a given season?
Fine thanks. Best producing "mangoes" are non mangoes originating in highlands: Mangifera kasturi and Mangifera odorata. Of the real mangoes the ones that have done best are Fairchild, Brook's Late, Edward, Florigon, Manzanillo, Kurashige, and the Rapoza. It's very tricky to grow mangoes here on windward side of the island. The leeward side (Kona) it's much easier because their rain fall is so much lower. There are also other parts of this island that are very dry, like Kau (southern part) and really that is much more ideal for mangoes. We don't get any dry spells, except for occasional 1-2 week periods, and no cold spells. Coolest emperature in winter is around 65, with very occasional dips to 60.

Ah.  Which side are you on?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on August 03, 2017, 09:48:15 PM
Mine are getting huge, but no flowering yet.  :'( I think the plants are just too happy. Often stressing is what initiates flowering in very young plants.
Oscar they flower here around Dec-January after 2 or 3 months of dry season, I think yours are coming same time as we are almost same latitude 21.5  here...
OK thanks. We don't have a dry season here, though this summer has been a lot drier than usual. Latitude here is 19N.

Oscar - first, how have you been?

With no dry season, I'm interested to know (off topic) what mangoes produce regularly for you.  I know Rapoza does well with its persistent flowering habit.  What else?  Is it correct you also have no cold trigger at your elevation?  Is rain just low in a given season?
Fine thanks. Best producing "mangoes" are non mangoes originating in highlands: Mangifera kasturi and Mangifera odorata. Of the real mangoes the ones that have done best are Fairchild, Brook's Late, Edward, Florigon, Manzanillo, Kurashige, and the Rapoza. It's very tricky to grow mangoes here on windward side of the island. The leeward side (Kona) it's much easier because their rain fall is so much lower. There are also other parts of this island that are very dry, like Kau (southern part) and really that is much more ideal for mangoes. We don't get any dry spells, except for occasional 1-2 week periods, and no cold spells. Coolest emperature in winter is around 65, with very occasional dips to 60.

Ah.  Which side are you on?
East side, windward side = rainy side.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: arvind on August 04, 2017, 04:02:30 AM
Oscar we are in the same situation.no mangoes can produce well in my area too with around 3800 plus mm of annual rainfall.kuini and bacang do well here.However in my neighbourhood most kuini taste like crap because of some kind of fly or beetle infestation.It lays egg in the fruit
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on August 04, 2017, 05:11:52 AM
Oscar we are in the same situation.no mangoes can produce well in my area too with around 3800 plus mm of annual rainfall.kuini and bacang do well here.However in my neighbourhood most kuini taste like crap because of some kind of fly or beetle infestation.It lays egg in the fruit
How is the bacang? Is it good tasting?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: dwfl on August 04, 2017, 02:30:25 PM
^^^ Thread is getting far off topic.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: arvind on August 06, 2017, 07:17:45 AM
Oscar we are in the same situation.no mangoes can produce well in my area too with around 3800 plus mm of annual rainfall.kuini and bacang do well here.However in my neighbourhood most kuini taste like crap because of some kind of fly or beetle infestation.It lays egg in the fruit
How is the bacang? Is it good tasting?

taste is on the sour side and too stringy.people use them to make dishes .mix it up with chillies,shrimp paste and salt
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Frog Valley Farm on August 21, 2017, 06:37:08 AM
🗯
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: xunxun88 on October 02, 2017, 12:30:21 AM

(https://s24.postimg.cc/x7lylk8td/IMAG0718.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/x7lylk8td/)

The first flowering, it fell off
(https://s29.postimg.cc/ubbhla9jn/47536.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ubbhla9jn/)


The second flowering, now
(https://s29.postimg.cc/9pwptdryr/47535.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9pwptdryr/)

(https://s29.postimg.cc/40gh92lsj/47531.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/40gh92lsj/)

Other seedlings flowering
(https://s1.postimg.cc/rjdorhuh7/IMAG15761.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/rjdorhuh7/)


The third flowering this year
(https://s1.postimg.cc/8ytcvwzv1n/IMAG1920.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8ytcvwzv1n/)


(https://s1.postimg.cc/2gv52lro3f/IMAG1951.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/2gv52lro3f/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Jessg333 on October 03, 2017, 02:56:54 PM
Xunxun what are you doing different to get yours to flower so young compared to everyone else and so frequent? Any fruit from the previous flowers?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Sleepdoc on November 24, 2017, 11:34:07 AM
My Luc’s flowering in South Florida.
(https://s18.postimg.cc/nyeol9sad/3_A4_A8_DE3-997_D-413_F-_BE7_F-_AFAC91_B1587_C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/nyeol9sad/)

(https://s18.postimg.cc/vedy71sud/4_D779979-5_E49-446_F-_A424-9_B2151_FAE705.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/vedy71sud/)

(https://s18.postimg.cc/jcikcwrbp/4_E30_A160-_EB74-4926-91_B2-44_B8_B0035525.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/jcikcwrbp/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Frog Valley Farm on November 24, 2017, 02:03:14 PM
🗯
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Sleepdoc on November 24, 2017, 03:33:12 PM


Wow.  How old is your tree?  Did you plant it as a seed or transplant, if so how long ago?
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I have been trying to figure out how long ago I planted the seedling.   I am guessing 5 or 6 years.  IIRC, my friend Seadation gave me the tiny seedling ( 3 or 4 inches), and I planted it while very small.  He got a few seeds I believe directly from Luc, and this was one of those early ones.

Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: dwfl on November 24, 2017, 04:02:43 PM
Beautiful tree, sleepdoc! Best of luck with the flowering/fruit set
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on November 24, 2017, 10:31:14 PM
First flowers on my biggest tree:

(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/GarciniaMexicanFirstFlowers2.jpg)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Raulglezruiz on November 24, 2017, 11:19:15 PM
First flowers on my biggest tree:

([url]http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/GarciniaMexicanFirstFlowers2.jpg[/url])

Congratulations 🎊 Oscar! Hopefully they take, you will have the first to fruit Mex Garcinia in USA! 😄
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Post by: dwfl on November 24, 2017, 11:21:34 PM
 ;D More flowers!! Congrats Oscar
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Post by: Sam on November 25, 2017, 01:20:41 PM
That's great Oscar. How old is this tree.

Sleepdoc, do you think your fruits will hold over the winter?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on November 25, 2017, 04:29:19 PM
That's great Oscar. How old is this tree.

Sleepdoc, do you think your fruits will hold over the winter?
In the ground 5+ years. From planting seed 7+years.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: ScottR on November 25, 2017, 07:23:02 PM
Congrat's oscar on getting your Luc's garcina to flower beautiful flower's by the way! ;)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Sleepdoc on November 26, 2017, 07:16:22 AM
After discussing with Seadation - mine is a little under 5 years from seed.  In ground most of that time. 

I doubt mine will set or hold this year.  If it does, I will update.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: KarenRei on December 19, 2017, 07:27:25 AM
I strongly suspect that lighting amounts for a lot of the difference in growth rates people have been experiencing.  I notice a strong difference in the size of my Luc's (4 year olds) in my grow room depending on where they've spent their lives.  And they're all quite small, which would be expected given the low light conditions relative to direct sun (really should have about 4x the grow lights, but I can't afford that kind of power bill  ;)  ).  The one that's been in the worst location still looks like a seedling; the one in the best area is maybe 40cm tall. 

Basically, they'll survive shade, but they won't thrive.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Frog Valley Farm on December 19, 2017, 07:51:37 AM
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Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on December 19, 2017, 09:38:12 PM
Mine is on its 4th flowering (it seems to flower every 3 months or so). It set a fruit on the first flowering; it got to about the size of a small loquat and aborted. On the 4th flowering, it finally set out about a dozen female flowers, but all but one has aborted so far.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Frog Valley Farm on December 20, 2017, 05:38:59 AM
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Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on December 20, 2017, 10:59:07 AM
I've lost track of age, but it's somewhere around 7 years old. It's in full sun.

Mine is on its 4th flowering (it seems to flower every 3 months or so). It set a fruit on the first flowering; it got to about the size of a small loquat and aborted. On the 4th flowering, it finally set out about a dozen female flowers, but all but one has aborted so far.

How exciting, how old, and what is the size of the tree.  How much sun does your tree get?

Eric
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: cos on December 20, 2017, 02:56:05 PM
Those getting fruit forming, what do you see as pollenator ?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on December 20, 2017, 06:08:30 PM
Not sure if it's the pollinator, but the ants sure love the flowers.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: gozp on December 20, 2017, 06:44:15 PM
Cooki3 pls post photos of ur current lucs
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on December 21, 2017, 12:35:56 AM
OK. I was out there this evening, and it looks like I have a few new female blooms. Hoping at least one of them sticks around.

Cooki3 pls post photos of ur current lucs
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: xunxun88 on December 27, 2017, 08:22:57 AM

(https://s24.postimg.cc/x7lylk8td/IMAG0718.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/x7lylk8td/)

The first flowering, it fell off
(https://s29.postimg.cc/ubbhla9jn/47536.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ubbhla9jn/)


The second flowering, now
(https://s29.postimg.cc/9pwptdryr/47535.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9pwptdryr/)

(https://s29.postimg.cc/40gh92lsj/47531.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/40gh92lsj/)

Other seedlings flowering
(https://s1.postimg.cc/rjdorhuh7/IMAG15761.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/rjdorhuh7/)


The third flowering this year
(https://s1.postimg.cc/8ytcvwzv1n/IMAG1920.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8ytcvwzv1n/)


(https://s1.postimg.cc/2gv52lro3f/IMAG1951.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/2gv52lro3f/)


(https://s17.postimg.cc/6n5crsmpn/FB_IMG_1514379854447.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/6n5crsmpn/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: AnnonAddict on December 27, 2017, 03:31:16 PM
I planted mine on a separate property and they are doing fine, growing at a slow but steady rate, dealing well with the low humidity and occasional low temperatures around here.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: xunxun88 on January 01, 2018, 10:52:54 PM

(https://s24.postimg.cc/x7lylk8td/IMAG0718.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/x7lylk8td/)

The first flowering, it fell off
(https://s29.postimg.cc/ubbhla9jn/47536.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ubbhla9jn/)


The second flowering, now
(https://s29.postimg.cc/9pwptdryr/47535.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9pwptdryr/)

(https://s29.postimg.cc/40gh92lsj/47531.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/40gh92lsj/)

Other seedlings flowering
(https://s1.postimg.cc/rjdorhuh7/IMAG15761.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/rjdorhuh7/)


The third flowering this year
(https://s1.postimg.cc/8ytcvwzv1n/IMAG1920.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8ytcvwzv1n/)


(https://s1.postimg.cc/2gv52lro3f/IMAG1951.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/2gv52lro3f/)


(https://s17.postimg.cc/6n5crsmpn/FB_IMG_1514379854447.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/6n5crsmpn/)


(https://s10.postimg.cc/nxzv4em1x/FB_IMG_1514865015304.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/nxzv4em1x/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: cos on January 01, 2018, 11:15:10 PM
Will be looking foe a lemon like fruit
THANKS 
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on February 10, 2018, 06:46:52 PM
In an unrelated post ( was about G. livingstonei - Imbe )  Marklee mentioned he had very good result grafting ' Luc's ' on new growth of a non producing ( male ) Imbe , if I remember correctly 4 feet of growth in one year .
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on February 10, 2018, 07:08:32 PM
Perfect storm on my flowers. First super hard rains, then strong winds, so none of them set fruit.  :'( :'( Hopefully it will flower again soon.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Mike T on February 12, 2018, 04:35:20 AM
Sorry to hear that. My 3 foot tall, 3 year old one had flowers also that didn't set. My larger 8 foot tall 5 year old one hasn't had flowers but it looks like it isn't flourishing.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Mango Stein on February 13, 2018, 04:33:54 AM
Look's like my 2-foot tall plant is about to die, from root rot I think.
Probably because I watered it too much... 9L every evening. But the weather has been so hot and also it is on a raised mound.
Has some shade cloth above it.
(https://s18.postimg.cc/m2klhvw79/lucs_mangosteen.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/m2klhvw79/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: OCchris1 on February 14, 2018, 01:48:19 AM
I've had a couple that looked worse than yours Mango Stein...and they bounced back, albeit very slowly (in true Luc's fashion.) Chris
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on February 14, 2018, 06:26:02 PM
Look's like my 2-foot tall plant is about to die, from root rot I think.
Probably because I watered it too much... 9L every evening. But the weather has been so hot and also it is on a raised mound.
Has some shade cloth above it.
(https://s18.postimg.cc/m2klhvw79/lucs_mangosteen.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/m2klhvw79/)

They don't need a lot of water , actually they are very hard to kill , years ago I planted about 500 in a huge tub , left them under a longan and kinda ignored them . All grew well were transplanted and sold .
Don't forget that here in their natural habitat they don't get any rain for at least 8 months , just a little TLC will not hurt  ...
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Anto989 on February 15, 2018, 03:39:09 PM
how many years to fruit from seeds and how they are cold hardy(can they grow in a. cherimoia area with few nights of -2 during the winter?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: 00christian00 on February 15, 2018, 04:03:47 PM
how many years to fruit from seeds and how they are cold hardy(can they grow in a. cherimoia area with few nights of -2 during the winter?
I'm growing them in middle Italy(Ancona) with no issues, they are just covered from the cold wind and less than 1 year old, so for sure you won't have problems in your place.
I did plant the seeds directly on the ground in may/june last year and have been growing happily without any shade cloth.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Created4Us on March 09, 2018, 10:56:19 PM
Hi all, I'm new to the forum. I've enjoyed reading this thread. Exciting to see how close several people are to having fruiting trees. I wanted to share this grafted Luc's I got from Adam that just took.
-Josh

(https://s18.postimg.cc/y81pvjwvp/BA07_D68_A-_C1_DC-42_BA-_B46_C-_A1_A109782_D37.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/y81pvjwvp/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 11, 2018, 11:23:50 AM
Nice!

I had been selling some of the trees as pre-healed, which means I graft them and immediately send them to my customer to heal...the Garcinias have had surprisingly high success rate. 

I hope they grow very well for you, it's nice to be able to propagate this tree without waiting for seeds.

thanks for sharing!

Hi all, I'm new to the forum. I've enjoyed reading this thread. Exciting to see how close several people are to having fruiting trees. I wanted to share this grafted Luc's I got from Adam that just took.
-Josh

(https://s18.postimg.cc/y81pvjwvp/BA07_D68_A-_C1_DC-42_BA-_B46_C-_A1_A109782_D37.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/y81pvjwvp/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: achetadomestica on March 11, 2018, 11:34:46 AM
Nice!

I had been selling some of the trees as pre-healed, which means I graft them and immediately send them to my customer to heal...the Garcinias have had surprisingly high success rate. 

I hope they grow very well for you, it's nice to be able to propagate this tree without waiting for seeds.

thanks for sharing!

Hi all, I'm new to the forum. I've enjoyed reading this thread. Exciting to see how close several people are to having fruiting trees. I wanted to share this grafted Luc's I got from Adam that just took.
-Josh

(https://s18.postimg.cc/y81pvjwvp/BA07_D68_A-_C1_DC-42_BA-_B46_C-_A1_A109782_D37.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/y81pvjwvp/)

Hi Adam
What rootstock are you using?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Stevo on March 13, 2018, 01:48:23 AM

Nearly 4 years old and 2 metres tall but growing well .No flowers yet

(https://s13.postimg.cc/xc0ojsdlv/20180313_154116.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/xc0ojsdlv/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Lory on March 13, 2018, 08:16:49 AM
Do they look a strongly acidic soil? What is theis ideal pH range?
My little seedlings grow sooooo slowly and their youngest leaves look chlorotic quite decolored, whitish despite i treatet them with iron chelate
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Sleepdoc on April 07, 2018, 06:19:30 PM
(https://s14.postimg.cc/7wjbqm699/5433_CB9_E-_AB79-4_A50-_BB91-_FFFE3_ADA8_CB3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/7wjbqm699/)

(https://s14.postimg.cc/mfqgs173x/BBE2407_C-_F2_F9-47_F9-931_E-_D42_CC85_D6358.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/mfqgs173x/)


This flower looks female, no?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: gozp on April 07, 2018, 07:57:58 PM
This was grafted 2nd week of December by Adam.

Growing nicely.

(https://s18.postimg.cc/uausxi45x/20180407_162720.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/uausxi45x/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on April 08, 2018, 02:00:36 AM
(https://s14.postimg.cc/7wjbqm699/5433_CB9_E-_AB79-4_A50-_BB91-_FFFE3_ADA8_CB3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/7wjbqm699/)

(https://s14.postimg.cc/mfqgs173x/BBE2407_C-_F2_F9-47_F9-931_E-_D42_CC85_D6358.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/mfqgs173x/)


This flower looks female, no?
Yes, either female or hermaphrodite.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: cos on April 08, 2018, 02:21:06 AM
To yet see that kind if would set fruit , would be a blessing as see no pollinators
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on April 08, 2018, 01:03:56 PM
Yep. Mine has been doing that for a couple of years now but it never hangs onto the fruit. It flowers reasonably well, with dozens of female flowers several times a year. However, I have but one fruit that is currently hanging -- about an inch in width. Hoping it hangs on. Let us know if yours actually sticks around.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Sleepdoc on April 08, 2018, 01:16:03 PM
I'll keep my fingers crossed.  My tree definitely is putting on some decent size.  About 1 1/2 feet above my head at the central leader.  Silver dollar thickness of the trunk at the base.  I think it could support a couple of fruit. 
(https://s18.postimg.cc/6u3ehyuc5/BC326_D6_C-0_E1_E-4_DF4-9742-_B7_E481_FA2_FBE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/6u3ehyuc5/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on April 08, 2018, 03:15:23 PM
How old is the tree? Mine started flowering at about 6 - 7 years old.

I'll keep my fingers crossed.  My tree definitely is putting on some decent size.  About 1 1/2 feet above my head at the central leader.  Silver dollar thickness of the trunk at the base.  I think it could support a couple of fruit. 
(https://s18.postimg.cc/6u3ehyuc5/BC326_D6_C-0_E1_E-4_DF4-9742-_B7_E481_FA2_FBE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/6u3ehyuc5/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Sleepdoc on April 08, 2018, 03:55:51 PM
I had thought it was older, but Seadation and I tentatively dated it back to 5 years old from seed.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: cbss_daviefl on April 08, 2018, 05:28:31 PM
I remember seadation offering me a tree but I had 30 seedlings that had sprouted. I got my seeds in 2013. If your tree came from the same batch, 2013 is right.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on April 09, 2018, 10:36:54 AM
Holy cow, that's fast. You must be feeding it well.

I had thought it was older, but Seadation and I tentatively dated it back to 5 years old from seed.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on April 09, 2018, 05:32:21 PM
Holy cow, that's fast. You must be feeding it well.

I had thought it was older, but Seadation and I tentatively dated it back to 5 years old from seed.
Either that or there is a mistake in his records? My guess it that there is a mistake.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: dwfl on April 09, 2018, 09:49:23 PM
Definitely a big a** tree for 5 years. Looks more like 8-10 years! I've seen a couple ~10 year old ones that look similar, one in PR and one in FL
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Sleepdoc on April 10, 2018, 09:04:40 AM
Holy cow, that's fast. You must be feeding it well.

I had thought it was older, but Seadation and I tentatively dated it back to 5 years old from seed.
Either that or there is a mistake in his records? My guess it that there is a mistake.

I did some research through old photo's and text.  Confirmed my tree is in fact a 2013 seedling.  Seadation gave me the small seedling August 3 2013.  I planted it right away in ground.  It is in an area of my yard that has better soil than the rest of my yard.  In an area where the previous homeowner kept pigs and chickens, topsoil is black, and gets irrigation.  It is planted between 3 mango trees and a Mulberry, getting 70-80% filtered sunlight, 20-30% direct sunlight for most of its life.  I give it some slow release fertilizer, and occasional foliar sprays of the "Patrick mix" ( chelated Iron, Southern Ag citrus spray, occasionally mixed with foliage pro). 

Obviously it is happy where it is planted.  Seems like a synergistic effect of proper sunlight, water, food, and genetics.
 
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on April 10, 2018, 11:47:58 PM
Holy cow, that's fast. You must be feeding it well.

I had thought it was older, but Seadation and I tentatively dated it back to 5 years old from seed.
Either that or there is a mistake in his records? My guess it that there is a mistake.

I did some research through old photo's and text.  Confirmed my tree is in fact a 2013 seedling.  Seadation gave me the small seedling August 3 2013.  I planted it right away in ground.  It is in an area of my yard that has better soil than the rest of my yard.  In an area where the previous homeowner kept pigs and chickens, topsoil is black, and gets irrigation.  It is planted between 3 mango trees and a Mulberry, getting 70-80% filtered sunlight, 20-30% direct sunlight for most of its life.  I give it some slow release fertilizer, and occasional foliar sprays of the "Patrick mix" ( chelated Iron, Southern Ag citrus spray, occasionally mixed with foliage pro). 

Obviously it is happy where it is planted.  Seems like a synergistic effect of proper sunlight, water, food, and genetics.
OK, but how old was that seedling when you got it? They grow very slowly at first, so even a small seedling can be a lot older than appears.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: dwfl on April 11, 2018, 12:53:33 PM
Holy cow, that's fast. You must be feeding it well.

I had thought it was older, but Seadation and I tentatively dated it back to 5 years old from seed.
Either that or there is a mistake in his records? My guess it that there is a mistake.

I did some research through old photo's and text.  Confirmed my tree is in fact a 2013 seedling.  Seadation gave me the small seedling August 3 2013.  I planted it right away in ground.  It is in an area of my yard that has better soil than the rest of my yard.  In an area where the previous homeowner kept pigs and chickens, topsoil is black, and gets irrigation.  It is planted between 3 mango trees and a Mulberry, getting 70-80% filtered sunlight, 20-30% direct sunlight for most of its life.  I give it some slow release fertilizer, and occasional foliar sprays of the "Patrick mix" ( chelated Iron, Southern Ag citrus spray, occasionally mixed with foliage pro). 

Obviously it is happy where it is planted.  Seems like a synergistic effect of proper sunlight, water, food, and genetics.

Yeah, could be genetics mixed with the just the right spot and nutrition. I've noticed, when growing many Garcinia sp from seed, sometimes there are a couple seedlings that end up growing much stronger and faster than the rest of the batch despite the containers being in the same exposure, getting same water/fert treatment and I attribute it to genetics. I have seen some 2ft taller than others at the same age and you'd think they were years apart in age.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Sleepdoc on April 12, 2018, 12:42:00 PM
Holy cow, that's fast. You must be feeding it well.

I had thought it was older, but Seadation and I tentatively dated it back to 5 years old from seed.
Either that or there is a mistake in his records? My guess it that there is a mistake.

I did some research through old photo's and text.  Confirmed my tree is in fact a 2013 seedling.  Seadation gave me the small seedling August 3 2013.  I planted it right away in ground.  It is in an area of my yard that has better soil than the rest of my yard.  In an area where the previous homeowner kept pigs and chickens, topsoil is black, and gets irrigation.  It is planted between 3 mango trees and a Mulberry, getting 70-80% filtered sunlight, 20-30% direct sunlight for most of its life.  I give it some slow release fertilizer, and occasional foliar sprays of the "Patrick mix" ( chelated Iron, Southern Ag citrus spray, occasionally mixed with foliage pro). 

Obviously it is happy where it is planted.  Seems like a synergistic effect of proper sunlight, water, food, and genetics.
OK, but how old was that seedling when you got it? They grow very slowly at first, so even a small seedling can be a lot older than appears.

Seeds were delivered to Seadation April 9 2013.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on April 12, 2018, 09:17:11 PM
Holy cow, that's fast. You must be feeding it well.

I had thought it was older, but Seadation and I tentatively dated it back to 5 years old from seed.
Either that or there is a mistake in his records? My guess it that there is a mistake.

I did some research through old photo's and text.  Confirmed my tree is in fact a 2013 seedling.  Seadation gave me the small seedling August 3 2013.  I planted it right away in ground.  It is in an area of my yard that has better soil than the rest of my yard.  In an area where the previous homeowner kept pigs and chickens, topsoil is black, and gets irrigation.  It is planted between 3 mango trees and a Mulberry, getting 70-80% filtered sunlight, 20-30% direct sunlight for most of its life.  I give it some slow release fertilizer, and occasional foliar sprays of the "Patrick mix" ( chelated Iron, Southern Ag citrus spray, occasionally mixed with foliage pro). 

Obviously it is happy where it is planted.  Seems like a synergistic effect of proper sunlight, water, food, and genetics.
OK, but how old was that seedling when you got it? They grow very slowly at first, so even a small seedling can be a lot older than appears.

Seeds were delivered to Seadation April 9 2013.
OK, but above you said you got the seedling on that date. If it really is only 5 years old from planting seed rather than from planting in the ground then it would be pretty incredible.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: kalan on April 12, 2018, 09:23:56 PM
This new gives me some hope for my 2013s as well. Tallest is only 4ft tall but, this is some amazing news.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Seadation on April 12, 2018, 10:46:48 PM
Just catching up to this thread. Clint I am definitely jealous and hopeful you get some fruit soon, just don’t forget about me when the taste test happens. Over the years I kept mine in pots until last year when I finally put one in the ground. No fruit or flowers yet but I am definitely excited! Attached is a picture of my messages with Luc when I got the seeds from him. Which indeed was in 2013. And a picture of the one I put in the ground. I still have one more from 2013 left in a pot which is similar in size just deciding where I can put it in my yard as I’m out of space.
Ron
(https://s31.postimg.cc/skjs10p87/E21_C7084-_BA18-4546-_B01_C-_B002247_FF961.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/skjs10p87/)

(https://s31.postimg.cc/r5i7cagfb/FA44_CA0_D-22_AB-4182-_A7_AD-5_AA480_CA23_E8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/r5i7cagfb/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Seadation on April 12, 2018, 11:01:35 PM
So if my math is correct it’s literally been 5 years and 3days since I received the seeds in the mail so technically Sleepdoc, yours flowered in under 5 years.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Schutzhund on April 14, 2018, 01:18:41 AM
My 3 year old Luc's
(https://s31.postimg.cc/3r1hsaion/20180406_150245.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/3r1hsaion/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Sleepdoc on May 01, 2018, 06:02:24 PM
Photos taken today - so far so good ...

(https://s7.postimg.cc/p8ohnhjp3/AB768622-93_B7-4_CB4-8664-_C72175_DA4292.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/p8ohnhjp3/)

(https://s7.postimg.cc/acpyfzg13/4_B4_B1790-18_C2-427_A-_AFE7-4_D02_AAE00_CB3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/acpyfzg13/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on May 01, 2018, 07:11:43 PM
Wow. I"m jealous.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Lory on May 01, 2018, 09:04:57 PM
ME TOO!  :P
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: cos on May 02, 2018, 12:25:05 AM
Today just saw 1st fluch of next  blooms, its like a machine but still looking for bugs to pollenate .
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on May 02, 2018, 02:56:13 AM
Congrats SleepDoc. Hope they ripen up. You may be able to give first US taste report!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Mike T on May 02, 2018, 04:38:37 AM
I have 2 small ones with flowers now at under 4 feet tall, They are both under 4 years old and one had a couple of flowers last year. My larger 7 feet tall, 5 year old one has no flowers but it looks a bit sickly.I hope some set.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Sleepdoc on May 02, 2018, 09:10:07 AM
Thanks !  - I’m hopeful but not overly optimistic.  I’ll update the progress intermittently.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: luc on May 03, 2018, 06:23:15 PM
Whow guys , specially Sleepdoc , this is great !!!!  Now , one good advise ...let them ripen on the tree till they turn a little orange ( not bright yellow ) and give a little when pressed . Although this fruit is ' climacteric ' ( a still green fruit knocked of the tree by whatever will still ripen ) They are sooo much sweeter and juicier when picked at the right time .
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Orkine on May 09, 2018, 09:44:26 PM
I didnt want to start a new thread but if that was the right thing then I can delete this and start one.

I got some scions of the premium Mexican from Raul for grafting.
I kept 3 and passed the rest on to friends.  I put all 3 on G. intermedia.
One browned at the top and is likely a goner.
One stayed green with no change, may still be a take.  Watching.
The third appears to be pushing.  Its early yet, I will keep an eye on it and report progress.
Stoked.  Anyone else has an experience to share?


Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on May 10, 2018, 11:03:29 AM
Sounds like you did good. All my scions (with the exception of one that's on the edge of life / death) failed to take :-(. I did get takes on the selecto acha though.

I didnt want to start a new thread but if that was the right thing then I can delete this and start one.

I got some scions of the premium Mexican from Raul for grafting.
I kept 3 and passed the rest on to friends.  I put all 3 on G. intermedia.
One browned at the top and is likely a goner.
One stayed green with no change, may still be a take.  Watching.
The third appears to be pushing.  Its early yet, I will keep an eye on it and report progress.
Stoked.  Anyone else has an experience to share?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Sleepdoc on May 10, 2018, 12:32:21 PM
So far one take on Aichacharu. Side veneer/side cleft type graft on lateral branch of 5 year old in ground tree.  Waiting on a few more scions to arrive in the mail. 
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: huertasurbanas on May 10, 2018, 01:12:54 PM
Photos taken today - so far so good ...

(https://s7.postimg.cc/p8ohnhjp3/AB768622-93_B7-4_CB4-8664-_C72175_DA4292.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/p8ohnhjp3/)

(https://s7.postimg.cc/acpyfzg13/4_B4_B1790-18_C2-427_A-_AFE7-4_D02_AAE00_CB3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/acpyfzg13/)


Congrats, this is amazing! I hope you can reproduce it for millions!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fsanchez2002 on May 10, 2018, 02:47:14 PM
I didnt want to start a new thread but if that was the right thing then I can delete this and start one.

I got some scions of the premium Mexican from Raul for grafting.
I kept 3 and passed the rest on to friends.  I put all 3 on G. intermedia.
One browned at the top and is likely a goner.
One stayed green with no change, may still be a take.  Watching.
The third appears to be pushing.  Its early yet, I will keep an eye on it and report progress.
Stoked.  Anyone else has an experience to share?

I grafted several scions from Raul on May2016 (2 years ago). Some on Luc's Garcinias and some on achachairu. About 80% of scions took well and are still fine, but growth has been really slow, just a couple of flushes a year on the grafted scions, much slower than regular luc's garcinia. Only time will tell if grafts produce faster than the ungrafted trees. F.
 
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Stevo on May 10, 2018, 07:56:53 PM
 I have a 2 metre tall example that is thriving and getting about 4-5 hours of full sun per day in far north
queensland Australia where the temperature gets up to 37 degrees celsius in summer with very humidity
and also another one flowering for the 2nd time so hopefully will set fruit

(https://s9.postimg.cc/l2594qs6z/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/l2594qs6z/)

(https://s9.postimg.cc/lg6l4a74r/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/lg6l4a74r/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Mike T on May 11, 2018, 07:25:57 PM
The bees (native and small) are buzzing around the flowers on mine right now so hopefully this season is it. It is only 4 feet tall and being shaded by a red hybrid jab and E.candolleana (thanks Oscar) that are a bit too close. Maybe the shade made it flower faster than my bigger older (1.5 years older) one in stronger sun. The E.condolleana might have to yield if I have a space war but I really like the fruit.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Sleepdoc on May 22, 2018, 08:59:25 AM
Size Update


(https://s7.postimg.cc/pxgwve9fb/9_C1620_CF-_FBCC-4_D94-_A1_A5-_E5441_B33_D721.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/pxgwve9fb/)

(https://s7.postimg.cc/el4bdl5vb/AF718_AEF-9437-4_F55-886_D-_FCE565_BB6_C3_D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/el4bdl5vb/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on May 22, 2018, 10:44:59 PM
You have the key to success with that one!  ;D
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: marklee on May 23, 2018, 06:14:25 PM
I didnt want to start a new thread but if that was the right thing then I can delete this and start one.

I got some scions of the premium Mexican from Raul for grafting.
I kept 3 and passed the rest on to friends.  I put all 3 on G. intermedia.
One browned at the top and is likely a goner.
One stayed green with no change, may still be a take.  Watching.
The third appears to be pushing.  Its early yet, I will keep an eye on it and report progress.
Stoked.  Anyone else has an experience to share?

I grafted several scions from Raul on May2016 (2 years ago). Some on Luc's Garcinias and some on achachairu. About 80% of scions took well and are still fine, but growth has been really slow, just a couple of flushes a year on the grafted scions, much slower than regular luc's garcinia. Only time will tell if grafts produce faster than the ungrafted trees. F.

I grafted a couple from that same batch in 2016 to my in the ground Imbe, and one of the grafts is over 3 feet tall now. My in the ground Imbes are over 10 feet tall so that might be the best rootstock for the Luc's.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: barath on May 23, 2018, 08:19:14 PM
I didnt want to start a new thread but if that was the right thing then I can delete this and start one.

I got some scions of the premium Mexican from Raul for grafting.
I kept 3 and passed the rest on to friends.  I put all 3 on G. intermedia.
One browned at the top and is likely a goner.
One stayed green with no change, may still be a take.  Watching.
The third appears to be pushing.  Its early yet, I will keep an eye on it and report progress.
Stoked.  Anyone else has an experience to share?

I grafted several scions from Raul on May2016 (2 years ago). Some on Luc's Garcinias and some on achachairu. About 80% of scions took well and are still fine, but growth has been really slow, just a couple of flushes a year on the grafted scions, much slower than regular luc's garcinia. Only time will tell if grafts produce faster than the ungrafted trees. F.

I grafted a couple from that same batch in 2016 to my in the ground Imbe, and one of the grafts is over 3 feet tall now. My in the ground Imbes are over 10 feet tall so that might be the best rootstock for the Luc's.

I remember seeing your Imbe and was amazed how big it was.  Did you grow it from seed, or did you get a starter plant?  I have several imbe seedlings that are growing as slow as all other garcinias -- very slow.  The only one that seems to grow faster for me is achachairu.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: marklee on May 24, 2018, 12:59:27 AM
I didnt want to start a new thread but if that was the right thing then I can delete this and start one.

I got some scions of the premium Mexican from Raul for grafting.
I kept 3 and passed the rest on to friends.  I put all 3 on G. intermedia.
One browned at the top and is likely a goner.
One stayed green with no change, may still be a take.  Watching.
The third appears to be pushing.  Its early yet, I will keep an eye on it and report progress.

Hey Barath,

I started the Imbe from seeds in 2006 and they were in tall tree pots for a few years and then 15 gallons then they went in the ground. They grew real good with generous fertilizing. The huge one in the ground has put out about 6 water sprouts a few feet away, so they are perfect for grafting Luc's onto.

Stoked.  Anyone else has an experience to share?

I grafted several scions from Raul on May2016 (2 years ago). Some on Luc's Garcinias and some on achachairu. About 80% of scions took well and are still fine, but growth has been really slow, just a couple of flushes a year on the grafted scions, much slower than regular luc's garcinia. Only time will tell if grafts produce faster than the ungrafted trees. F.

I grafted a couple from that same batch in 2016 to my in the ground Imbe, and one of the grafts is over 3 feet tall now. My in the ground Imbes are over 10 feet tall so that might be the best rootstock for the Luc's.

I remember seeing your Imbe and was amazed how big it was.  Did you grow it from seed, or did you get a starter plant?  I have several imbe seedlings that are growing as slow as all other garcinias -- very slow.  The only one that seems to grow faster for me is achachairu.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: barath on May 24, 2018, 10:37:08 AM
Oh, nice -- well I'll move the seedlings to their own tall pots and hope they grow well!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Bush2Beach on May 24, 2018, 12:04:54 PM
Mark, Ive suspected Imbe may be the best rootstock for Luc's in CA since it likes the drier conditions. A friend on dry side of the Big Island tops his 20 year old Imbe thicket to 4 FT every year for increased fruit production. I only have 2 year old seedlings from his Imbe , but it's had me thinking. Your experience further's this line of thought for me.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fsanchez2002 on May 24, 2018, 01:09:27 PM
I didnt want to start a new thread but if that was the right thing then I can delete this and start one.

I got some scions of the premium Mexican from Raul for grafting.
I kept 3 and passed the rest on to friends.  I put all 3 on G. intermedia.
One browned at the top and is likely a goner.
One stayed green with no change, may still be a take.  Watching.
The third appears to be pushing.  Its early yet, I will keep an eye on it and report progress.
Stoked.  Anyone else has an experience to share?

I grafted several scions from Raul on May2016 (2 years ago). Some on Luc's Garcinias and some on achachairu. About 80% of scions took well and are still fine, but growth has been really slow, just a couple of flushes a year on the grafted scions, much slower than regular luc's garcinia. Only time will tell if grafts produce faster than the ungrafted trees. F.

I grafted a couple from that same batch in 2016 to my in the ground Imbe, and one of the grafts is over 3 feet tall now. My in the ground Imbes are over 10 feet tall so that might be the best rootstock for the Luc's.

very interesting! I have a 3ft imbe in the ground, I'm going to try to graft a piece of Luc's graft growth on the Imbe and try to compare to growth in achachairu. Thanks.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: cos on May 25, 2018, 01:38:33 PM
Ants love the flowers & a wasp hive within 4 feet. No pollenation !  Apparently east maui has NO BEES!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on May 25, 2018, 07:26:31 PM
Ants love the flowers & a wasp hive within 4 feet. No pollenation !  Apparently east maui has NO BEES!
It's pretty easy to hand pollinate garcinia flowers. Just take a male flower, remove petals, and wipe the pollen onto center part of female flower.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Mike T on May 25, 2018, 09:17:12 PM
The flowers on mine are all over the ground underneath my Luc's Garcia after a week of howling wind. I was wondering if it is too small and young for fruiting but noticed this morning 2 fruit a little over 1cm are hanging on tenaciously. Maybe I will be in luck yet. My two others of the same age and size and much larger older one are comparative 'ass-draggers' with no sign of action.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: cos on May 25, 2018, 09:36:44 PM
Thanks oscar i shall try that. I was going to use a watercolor brush. Perhaps try both. Have go to do something as one tree is like a flower machine . The rest no comparison .
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Tang Tonic on June 14, 2018, 03:43:47 PM
How long does it take for these to germinate?  I have had them in soil for about three weeks now and have not seen any signs of germination.  One of the seeds looked like it was germinating before I planted it but have not seen anything come above the soil.

I hope I haven't been over watering them.  I have them under some tree canopy and a shade cloth above them so they don;t get any direct sun but still see filtered light.   I mist the soil surface with a garden sprayer every morning.  Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: achetadomestica on June 14, 2018, 04:39:39 PM
How long does it take for these to germinate?  I have had them in soil for about three weeks now and have not seen any signs of germination.  One of the seeds looked like it was germinating before I planted it but have not seen anything come above the soil.

I hope I haven't been over watering them.  I have them under some tree canopy and a shade cloth above them so they don;t get any direct sun but still see filtered light.   I mist the soil surface with a garden sprayer every morning.  Fingers crossed!


I had 10 out of 10 germinate. Some took about a month and others took 2-3 months.
I recently started germinating G. braziliensis seeds and put 6 in pots and left 4 in a baggie
with damp vermiculite. So far two germinated in the baggie in about 6 weeks and I put in
pots. I have some more Luc's Garcinia seeds and I think I am going to leave them in a baggie
with damp vermiculite. So far every garcinia seed I have ever attempted to germinate has even
G. dulcis in the cool winter. They took 3-4 months but 6 out of 6 germinated. Now if I can figure
out how to make them grow fast.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Orkine on June 14, 2018, 08:11:08 PM
Update on my graft (Scions from Raul)

I grafted 3

1 died early and has been cut off the plant.

The other is brown on the top by green about 3 inches from the union down.  I have left it on but assume it too will likely not survive.  I hold out hope because it is green past a set of nodes.  The top is dead though.  The root stock pushed new growth from just below the graft.
You might be able to see the graft behind the new growth in this picture.

(https://thumb.ibb.co/iZ9ojd/IMG_20180614_194921086.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iZ9ojd)

The third did well and took.  The first leaves were tiny, the second flush a little more reasonably sized.
The grafts were on branches of the same G Intermedia.
Pictures taken a few minutes ago.

(https://thumb.ibb.co/cquAxy/IMG_20180614_194907868.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cquAxy) (https://thumb.ibb.co/krckVJ/IMG_20180614_194900033.jpg) (https://ibb.co/krckVJ)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: sanitarium on June 25, 2018, 08:26:50 AM
Grafted in june 2016, var. prolific from Raul. Not sure, but maybe first fruitlet in Europe? 
Did only about 2-3 growth flushes before flowering, I missed the flower stage as it was in the corner in greenhouse and I was just going to check it as it havent made any new growth for a quite long, now I know why...


(https://s15.postimg.cc/yy8cdu7mv/IMG-9208.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/yy8cdu7mv/)

(https://s15.postimg.cc/kf17cf6s7/IMG-9210.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/kf17cf6s7/)

(https://s15.postimg.cc/6lcuncyrb/IMG-9211.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/6lcuncyrb/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on June 25, 2018, 04:10:54 PM
Grafted in june 2016, var. prolific from Raul. Not sure, but maybe first fruitlet in Europe? 
Did only about 2-3 growth flushes before flowering, I missed the flower stage as it was in the corner in greenhouse and I was just going to check it as it havent made any new growth for a quite long, now I know why...


(https://s15.postimg.cc/yy8cdu7mv/IMG-9208.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/yy8cdu7mv/)

(https://s15.postimg.cc/kf17cf6s7/IMG-9210.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/kf17cf6s7/)

(https://s15.postimg.cc/6lcuncyrb/IMG-9211.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/6lcuncyrb/)
Wow! That is very small to be fruiting already. How old is that plant?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Orkine on June 25, 2018, 04:33:45 PM
Is that on the graft union?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Jose Spain on June 25, 2018, 04:47:15 PM
Grafted in june 2016, var. prolific from Raul. Not sure, but maybe first fruitlet in Europe? 
Did only about 2-3 growth flushes before flowering, I missed the flower stage as it was in the corner in greenhouse and I was just going to check it as it havent made any new growth for a quite long, now I know why...


(https://s15.postimg.cc/yy8cdu7mv/IMG-9208.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/yy8cdu7mv/)

(https://s15.postimg.cc/kf17cf6s7/IMG-9210.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/kf17cf6s7/)

(https://s15.postimg.cc/6lcuncyrb/IMG-9211.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/6lcuncyrb/)
Wow! That is very small to be fruiting already. How old is that plant?

I think the key is in grafting scions from an adult tree, just as happen with mangoes, litchis and many others fruit trees. The results of sanitarium seem to point is worth grafting this slow trees to save the long waiting of seedlings. Really good news if similar results from other members proves this hypothesis right.  ;)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: sanitarium on June 26, 2018, 03:51:51 AM

Wow! That is very small to be fruiting already. How old is that plant?

Rootstock was I think 1+ year old when grafted so it could be 3+yr old alltogether..

Is that on the graft union?


Nope the graft union is lower about where the first string is...



(https://s15.postimg.cc/kf17cf6s7/IMG-9210.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/kf17cf6s7/)




I think the key is in grafting scions from an adult tree, just as happen with mangoes, litchis and many others fruit trees. The results of sanitarium seem to point is worth grafting this slow trees to save the long waiting of seedlings. Really good news if similar results from other members proves this hypothesis right.  ;)

Could be a sleeping flower bud.. :)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Sleepdoc on July 31, 2018, 06:19:22 PM
Well, here it is.  Found it on the ground this afternoon- yard guys were here in the morning so not sure if they knocked it off.  It had stopped growing and color changed on the tree, so it was at least close to ready even if they did inadvertently knock it down.

It is smaller than I had hoped- I plan on waiting at least a few days until I try it. 
(https://s8.postimg.cc/fh9y35bxt/1760_AF7_A-5_E18-4_ED8-9140-105962350609.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/fh9y35bxt/)

(https://s8.postimg.cc/5jyxa2owh/F871_E71_D-3_C89-4455-_BECD-3085_F0560_E3_E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5jyxa2owh/)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: BestDay on July 31, 2018, 07:17:19 PM
Whooohoooo!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Future on July 31, 2018, 07:29:09 PM
Milestone. Fabulous. We await the evaluation.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: cos on July 31, 2018, 10:31:22 PM
We have a winner & talent !
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: sytanta on July 31, 2018, 10:32:42 PM
These are the first Luc Garcinia fruits out of Mexico.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: dwfl on July 31, 2018, 11:12:14 PM
These are the first Luc Garcinia fruits out of Mexico.

Sadhu fruited his in Puerto Rico a couple years ago
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: sytanta on August 01, 2018, 01:04:23 AM
Sadhu fruited his in Puerto Rico a couple years ago

Whoop good to know. Thanks dwfl for the info! Not sure if Sadhu's Luc tree has survived Maria.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on August 01, 2018, 01:05:36 AM
The long awaited moment! Congrats.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Mike T on August 01, 2018, 02:05:53 AM
I have a 3.5ft tree that is over 3 years old and one fruit stuck and is now half grown.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Mike T on August 01, 2018, 03:31:40 AM

(https://s33.postimg.cc/g1uhavudn/aa_lucs.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/g1uhavudn/)

(https://s33.postimg.cc/893tix3u3/aa_lucs_fruit.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/893tix3u3/)
I hope the fruit hangs on and grows through the last part of winter
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: sytanta on August 01, 2018, 03:35:51 AM

(https://s33.postimg.cc/g1uhavudn/aa_lucs.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/g1uhavudn/)

(https://s33.postimg.cc/893tix3u3/aa_lucs_fruit.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/893tix3u3/)
I hope the fruit hangs on and grows through the last part of winter

Looks great, is it really only 3+ years old Mike?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: cbss_daviefl on August 02, 2018, 08:32:52 PM
Sleepdoc was kind enough to share the tasting of the first forum documented fruit grown to maturity on mainland U.S. with me today.  Thank you Sleepdoc!

The fruit had fallen from the tree on Tuesday. The decision was made to allow the fruit to continue to ripen until Saturday before tasting. However, today, the fruit was very soft and looked like it was going down hill fast.  The fruit was very small.  Sleepdoc scored the skin of the fruit, which was very thin, and pulled the two halves apart. Unfortunately, the seed was nearly full sized and the fruit barely had any flesh. There was less than half a teaspoon to share between the myself, Sleepdoc, and his son.  The flavor was suprisingly sweet and only had the smallest hint of acidity and I thought it was very pleasent. It was one of the sweetest garcinias I have ever tasted. The skin had a thin layer of flesh, which I scraped with my teeth. It had a little more acidity and tasted similar to a sweet achachairu.



Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: gozp on August 02, 2018, 11:08:18 PM
Sleepdoc was kind enough to share the tasting of the first forum documented fruit grown to maturity on mainland U.S. with me today.  Thank you Sleepdoc!

The fruit had fallen from the tree on Tuesday. The decision was made to allow the fruit to continue to ripen until Saturday before tasting. However, today, the fruit was very soft and looked like it was going down hill fast.  The fruit was very small.  Sleepdoc scored the skin of the fruit, which was very thin, and pulled the two halves apart. Unfortunately, the seed was nearly full sized and the fruit barely had any flesh. There was less than half a teaspoon to share between the myself, Sleepdoc, and his son.  The flavor was suprisingly sweet and only had the smallest hint of acidity and I thought it was very pleasent. It was one of the sweetest garcinias I have ever tasted. The skin had a thin layer of flesh, which I scraped with my teeth. It had a little more acidity and tasted similar to a sweet achachairu.

Seems promising, however, did u take any photos of the flesh inside.?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Mike T on August 05, 2018, 06:34:09 AM
Sytanta I got the seeds in 2014 and it is nearly 4.Interstingly I found new flower buds on it today just a few months after it had them before.It looks like a prodigy. I am wondering if the Mexican has larger fruit than the big one from Jim West. Was that Linderno? The name escapes me.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on August 08, 2018, 12:25:11 AM
Sytanta I got the seeds in 2014 and it is nearly 4.Interstingly I found new flower buds on it today just a few months after it had them before.It looks like a prodigy. I am wondering if the Mexican has larger fruit than the big one from Jim West. Was that Linderno? The name escapes me.
Lindero
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: apresser on February 11, 2019, 09:56:39 PM
Got seeds directly from Luc in June of 2015. Seeing the first flowers on the tree today (2/11/19)-- so just under 4 years. Tree planted in full sun here on the North Shore of Oahu with irrigation when it gets dry. I actually planted two trees in one hole but only see flowers on one of them for now. Somehow the flowers managed to stay on despite the 50-60 mph winds we had here yesterday. 

(https://i.imgur.com/7PCjHSEm.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/aW8guxQm.jpg)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: shaneatwell on February 11, 2019, 10:36:16 PM
Very cool and nice pic!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: cmichael258 on February 11, 2019, 11:15:34 PM
Got seeds directly from Luc in June of 2015. Seeing the first flowers on the tree today (2/11/19)-- so just under 4 years. Tree planted in full sun here on the North Shore of Oahu with irrigation when it gets dry. I actually planted two trees in one hole but only see flowers on one of them for now. Somehow the flowers managed to stay on despite the 50-60 mph winds we had here yesterday. 

(https://i.imgur.com/7PCjHSEm.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/aW8guxQm.jpg)

Congrats!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: palologrower on February 12, 2019, 02:21:30 AM
Got seeds directly from Luc in June of 2015. Seeing the first flowers on the tree today (2/11/19)-- so just under 4 years. Tree planted in full sun here on the North Shore of Oahu with irrigation when it gets dry. I actually planted two trees in one hole but only see flowers on one of them for now. Somehow the flowers managed to stay on despite the 50-60 mph winds we had here yesterday. 

(https://i.imgur.com/7PCjHSEm.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/aW8guxQm.jpg)

I need to drive up to your place and see this first hand!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 12, 2019, 04:41:14 PM
congrats Apresser,

mine flowering about same size but like 3 x the age....it was restricted in a pot for a long time...and exposed to cold weather...

i see your first flower is male, hopefully lots of androgynous flowers the next round.

my tree made one androgynous flower, but failed to set fruit...
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Jessg333 on February 12, 2019, 06:23:04 PM
Wow nice! You planted the two seeds in ground in direct sun? How tall is your tree?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: xmario on February 12, 2019, 06:51:38 PM
Wow nice! You planted the two seeds in ground in direct sun? How tall is your tree?

If that's the case, then I'm really jealous!-:) ...I'm pampering mine like a significant other.. heheh
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: apresser on February 12, 2019, 09:32:17 PM
Wow nice! You planted the two seeds in ground in direct sun? How tall is your tree?

I planted the seeds in pots and left them for about 10 months after germination and then moved them out into direct light and in the ground even while they were really small. the tree is maybe 4 ft tall, there are actually 2 trees in that one hole. I found a few more flowers today but all seem to be male.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: shpaz on February 13, 2019, 02:55:48 AM
Wow nice! You planted the two seeds in ground in direct sun? How tall is your tree?

If that's the case, then I'm really jealous!-:) ...I'm pampering mine like a significant other.. heheh

HAHAHAHA same here
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: shpaz on February 13, 2019, 02:56:21 AM
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Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on February 13, 2019, 05:04:06 PM
Congrats! Yours grew and flowered a whole lot faster than mine. Sound like the secret is to get them in the ground early on. I think i left mine in a pot for 3 years. They do make a long tap root, so that might be part of the reason they like going in the ground young.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: pineislander on February 15, 2019, 07:00:45 PM
This observation is only for Achachairu and Lemon Drop garcinias but I recently separated some just- sprouted seeds of both and even before the first leaves opened up those seeds had roots up to 6 inches(150 mm) long. Seeing that, I planted a lemon drop straight out in the ground and protected it by a wire cage with mulch banked against the cage for a little protection. I have 20 achachairu in tall Steuwe pots but wished I could have planted those seeds direct.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: terejiguete on February 16, 2019, 01:10:08 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/vDgHS6Xc/20190123-145405.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vDgHS6Xc)
5 year old tree in the Canary Islands. Southwest of La Gomera.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: shpaz on February 17, 2019, 01:28:04 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/vDgHS6Xc/20190123-145405.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vDgHS6Xc)
5 year old tree in the Canary Islands. Southwest of La Gomera.

That's a good looking chicken you have there  ;D
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: OCchris1 on February 17, 2019, 01:38:38 AM
Chicken pen...smart move. I think I will borrow that idea myself. Thats a great looking Luc's. Good luck
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on February 17, 2019, 11:04:33 AM
Mine has been flowering for the past 2 to 3 years, would set fruit but would drop them at before getting to 3/4 inch. This last fall, I gave is a huge dose of slow release nitrogen, and now it's holding over a dozen fruits, some the size of a golf ball. It's been flowering pretty much consistently about once every 6 weeks or so. Can't wait to finally taste one.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: OCchris1 on February 21, 2019, 01:37:03 AM
I can't wait for your trees to finally hold fruit Cookie. I'm like Rip Van Winkle over here  ;)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: dwfl on February 21, 2019, 07:04:51 PM
I can't wait for your trees to finally hold fruit Cookie. I'm like Rip Van Winkle over here  ;)

I second that
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: ajeshcool47 on February 22, 2019, 12:09:12 AM
anybody here tried foliar spray on Lucs garcenia tree, of around 3- 4 year old ,to push growth...?
if yes , kindly share ur experiences... :D
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: DurianLover on February 22, 2019, 11:36:15 AM
My experience while keeping up with the thread headline.
I gave up on it. Slower than mangosteen, stays tiny forever it seems. Every few months gets completely overwhelmed by other vegetation. In my case not worth the effort, but maybe different story for someone planting in well maintained lawn.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on February 22, 2019, 10:50:53 PM
Yah, mine took 9 - 10 years before it puped out its first fruit. Although, I surely could have gotten it to fruit sooner had I paid more attention to it. Currently out of town, but will snap some pics when I return.

My experience while keeping up with the thread headline.
I gave up on it. Slower than mangosteen, stays tiny forever it seems. Every few months gets completely overwhelmed by other vegetation. In my case not worth the effort, but maybe different story for someone planting in well maintained lawn.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: spaugh on February 22, 2019, 11:29:44 PM
Got seeds directly from Luc in June of 2015. Seeing the first flowers on the tree today (2/11/19)-- so just under 4 years. Tree planted in full sun here on the North Shore of Oahu with irrigation when it gets dry. I actually planted two trees in one hole but only see flowers on one of them for now. Somehow the flowers managed to stay on despite the 50-60 mph winds we had here yesterday. 

(https://i.imgur.com/7PCjHSEm.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/aW8guxQm.jpg)

Excellent job
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 05, 2019, 04:46:22 PM
Got a little over a dozen fruits on mine. It flowers non-stop, there are small fruits and flowers on the tree currently in addition to the big ones shown below. How big do these things get?

(https://i.postimg.cc/sQ3xH5xF/IMG-0001.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sQ3xH5xF)

(https://i.postimg.cc/S2VsBjYn/IMG-0003.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/S2VsBjYn)

(https://i.postimg.cc/B8TtCmqc/IMG-0005.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/B8TtCmqc)

(https://i.postimg.cc/v1Fc9JdZ/IMG-0007.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/v1Fc9JdZ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/YvmvvpZP/IMG-0008.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YvmvvpZP)

(https://i.postimg.cc/1fdgRgC6/IMG-0011.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1fdgRgC6)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on March 05, 2019, 05:04:47 PM
Looks great, congrats! Juding from photo that Luc posted comparing it to achachairu, the Mexican fruit can get quite big. Almost the size of a tennis ball.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 05, 2019, 05:05:56 PM
Thanks! Tennis ball sized? Yikes!

Looks great, congrats! Juding from photo that Luc posted comparing it to achachairu, the Mexican fruit can get quite big. Almost the size of a tennis ball.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on March 05, 2019, 05:20:35 PM
Thanks! Tennis ball sized? Yikes!

Looks great, congrats! Juding from photo that Luc posted comparing it to achachairu, the Mexican fruit can get quite big. Almost the size of a tennis ball.


Yup! Look at this old post and photo from Raul comparing size of achachairu next to Mexican garcinia, and he also compares their flavors:
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=25182.msg295031#msg295031 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=25182.msg295031#msg295031)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Orkine on April 06, 2019, 03:51:59 PM
I decided to up-pot my lucs grafted onto lemon drop today.  It hadn't done much in the past several months.  I think I know why now.  The tap root had wound round the bottom of the pot one full circle and was well on its way to complete a second trip around. 
I wasn't sure what to do though I know I couldn't keep the tap root the way it was.  I didn't know if trying to straighten it out would work.  I too most of it off and re-potted in a slightly larger pot.  I will keep a close eye on it and will try to get it in the ground within the next month or so.
I understand from posts by others that they like shade, at least while young, but since it is going into its permanent home (if it lives) should I put it in full sun and make some share for it until it establishes?  any suggestions on what to do to give this plant a chance is welcome.


(https://i.ibb.co/0V1PLDd/IMG-20190406-155316869.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0V1PLDd)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on April 06, 2019, 06:12:22 PM
I decided to up-pot my lucs grafted onto lemon drop today.  It hadn't done much in the past several months.  I think I know why now.  The tap root had wound round the bottom of the pot one full circle and was well on its way to complete a second trip around. 
I wasn't sure what to do though I know I couldn't keep the tap root the way it was.  I didn't know if trying to straighten it out would work.  I too most of it off and re-potted in a slightly larger pot.  I will keep a close eye on it and will try to get it in the ground within the next month or so.
I understand from posts by others that they like shade, at least while young, but since it is going into its permanent home (if it lives) should I put it in full sun and make some share for it until it establishes?  any suggestions on what to do to give this plant a chance is welcome.


(https://i.ibb.co/0V1PLDd/IMG-20190406-155316869.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0V1PLDd)
Looks like you've already cut the circling tap root off the plant? Obviously was in that pot too long. I would put it into the ground after trimming tap root, and put a shade cloth over it until it adapts to outdoors.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: OCchris1 on April 07, 2019, 01:57:36 AM
I just have my daughter paint the Microkote on the insides of all my pots (she receives payment in full). That stuff works wonders. ZERO root circling. Everything I've either up-potted or planted has taken off like gangbusters. I will fall on my sword in regards to Luc's Garcinia...Nothing I've tried, has worked to speed things along.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Orkine on April 07, 2019, 08:52:39 AM

Looks like you've already cut the circling tap root off the plant? Obviously was in that pot too long. I would put it into the ground after trimming tap root, and put a shade cloth over it until it adapts to outdoors.
Yes, I cut it off.

I am thinking that when I do put it in the ground I will plant a seed or seedling with its tap root intact next to it in the save hole and approach graft them later, perhaps a second root system will help.  Has anyone done this? 
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: gozp on April 07, 2019, 12:26:57 PM

Looks like you've already cut the circling tap root off the plant? Obviously was in that pot too long. I would put it into the ground after trimming tap root, and put a shade cloth over it until it adapts to outdoors.
Yes, I cut it off.

I am thinking that when I do put it in the ground I will plant a seed or seedling with its tap root intact next to it in the save hole and approach graft them later, perhaps a second root system will help.  Has anyone done this?


(https://i.postimg.cc/N59mQ2Rp/20190407-092546.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N59mQ2Rp)


Nah ur good..i root pruned this thrice and still growing fine on a 5 gal.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on April 12, 2019, 07:19:38 PM
Are these supposed to be sub-acid? The couple I've had so far have been really sweet but with no detectable acidity.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: gozp on April 12, 2019, 07:29:54 PM
Are these supposed to be sub-acid? The couple I've had so far have been really sweet but with no detectable acidity.

I remember Raul mentioned that if u want with sub-acid u go with the sharpie variety..

I suppose u have the regular luc variety. How does it taste compare to mangosteen and what fruit is it comparable to? Like an improved achaacha?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on April 12, 2019, 10:27:51 PM
Ahh darnit. I wanted tart. As for flavor comparisons, too early to say. I've only ever had a couple of mangosteens that I got at an asian market.

Are these supposed to be sub-acid? The couple I've had so far have been really sweet but with no detectable acidity.

I remember Raul mentioned that if u want with sub-acid u go with the sharpie variety..

I suppose u have the regular luc variety. How does it taste compare to mangosteen and what fruit is it comparable to? Like an improved achaacha?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: BonsaiBeast on April 13, 2019, 12:09:04 AM
Are these supposed to be sub-acid? The couple I've had so far have been really sweet but with no detectable acidity.

I remember Raul mentioned that if u want with sub-acid u go with the sharpie variety..

I suppose u have the regular luc variety. How does it taste compare to mangosteen and what fruit is it comparable to? Like an improved achaacha?

Does anyone know about this?

Do the leaves look different? Do the fruits look different?

Do you specify which you'd like to Raul when ordering or something?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on April 13, 2019, 01:33:55 PM
OK this one had more acidity to it. I think I let the others ripen too long. Seed to flesh ratio isn't quite what I was hoping for. The 2 seeds were huge on this one. Flavor is quite good though.
(https://i.postimg.cc/gLYT5pRv/IMG-0068-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gLYT5pRv)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Raulglezruiz on April 13, 2019, 01:47:03 PM
Are these supposed to be sub-acid? The couple I've had so far have been really sweet but with no detectable acidity.

I remember Raul mentioned that if u want with sub-acid u go with the sharpie variety..

I suppose u have the regular luc variety. How does it taste compare to mangosteen and what fruit is it comparable to? Like an improved achaacha?
the Sharpie is not more tart but more intense flavors either sweet and tart, level of sweetness depends on ripeness yellow hard will be sweet /tart with crunchy tart skin, fully ripe and soft only sweet no crunchy skin...
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Sleepdoc on April 13, 2019, 04:18:38 PM
Wow Jeff - congrats !! I haven’t been on the forum for awhile , Happily surprised to see your Lucs fruiting so well !

My Lucs is putting on size, no fruit growing so far this year.  Over 10’ tall.

Seems as yours is genetically more prolific.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Sleepdoc on April 15, 2019, 07:06:27 PM
Here is mine currently.  No fruit or flowers.
(https://i.postimg.cc/HJ642vtr/3176-E2-E5-810-E-4-E37-B9-D0-B0-B95-AF2-E0-DC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HJ642vtr)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: spaugh on April 15, 2019, 07:40:55 PM
Here is mine currently.  No fruit or flowers.
(https://i.postimg.cc/HJ642vtr/3176-E2-E5-810-E-4-E37-B9-D0-B0-B95-AF2-E0-DC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HJ642vtr)

Beauty! 
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Cookie Monster on April 15, 2019, 09:12:30 PM
Thanks! Mine is somewhere around 6 - 7 feet tall but over 10 years old.

Wow Jeff - congrats !! I haven’t been on the forum for awhile , Happily surprised to see your Lucs fruiting so well !

My Lucs is putting on size, no fruit growing so far this year.  Over 10’ tall.

Seems as yours is genetically more prolific.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Lory on April 16, 2019, 05:24:07 AM
Here is mine currently.  No fruit or flowers.
(https://i.postimg.cc/HJ642vtr/3176-E2-E5-810-E-4-E37-B9-D0-B0-B95-AF2-E0-DC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HJ642vtr)

With such a gorgeous and healthy tree i would never be worried about flowering or fruiting, it's just a metter of time and it will be HEAVY
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: gozp on April 16, 2019, 10:27:21 AM
Are these supposed to be sub-acid? The couple I've had so far have been really sweet but with no detectable acidity.

I remember Raul mentioned that if u want with sub-acid u go with the sharpie variety..

I suppose u have the regular luc variety. How does it taste compare to mangosteen and what fruit is it comparable to? Like an improved achaacha?
the Sharpie is not more tart but more intense flavors either sweet and tart, level of sweetness depends on ripeness yellow hard will be sweet /tart with crunchy tart skin, fully ripe and soft only sweet no crunchy skin...

Thanks for the clarification, Raul.

Will be happy to see u post photos of the lucs species once u go there.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: JoeP450 on April 23, 2019, 11:01:07 PM
When planting luc’s garcinia seeds do they come true to type?

Wondering if possible approach could be to sell people seeds for establishing rootstock, then sell scions of mother trees with the known characteristics to people that 1) agree to be listed in a directory as a grafter on here, and 2) can establish a replica to size for budwood that can then sell at premium. This would accomplish a few things including shortening the long wait time to fruit which everyone moans about, decreasing any variation in fruit quality (it seems Jeff’s fruit is different that the famed “tennis ball”), also help spread the awareness of this fruit around the world faster thus realizing maximum use benefit.


Just a thought 🤔,

-Joep450
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 23, 2019, 11:24:18 PM
one of the trees here, about 12y old, stunted from cold weather, and taking many scions over the years....is about 6ft tall now, and holding several small fruits...all the flowers so far have been androgynous, i have not seen a full male flower.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: CherimoyaDude on June 17, 2019, 03:58:45 PM
Could this be grown in Santa Barbara? Not sure if that is too cold.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: JoeReal on June 17, 2019, 04:43:09 PM
Where to buy available Seeds of Luc's Garcinia? Thanks!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 17, 2019, 06:52:27 PM
Where to buy available Seeds of Luc's Garcinia? Thanks!

grafted tree with bids at only $5.50 now!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Grafted-Lucs-Garcinia-brasiliensis-rootstock-RARE-Mexican-mangosteen-relative/192953526644 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Grafted-Lucs-Garcinia-brasiliensis-rootstock-RARE-Mexican-mangosteen-relative/192953526644?hash=item2ceced2974:g:tisAAOSwXKNdBuaS)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: barath on June 17, 2019, 08:24:28 PM
Could this be grown in Santa Barbara? Not sure if that is too cold.

Definitely.  It was growing fine for me in the bay area (East Bay).  Though I don't think anyone knows whether it will fruit at all or fruit well in these sorts of cool coastal California climates.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: knlim000 on June 17, 2019, 09:04:35 PM
i got some seeds from Raul last year and they all growing now. Two are in front of my house close to porch and it is doing find. others are in greenhouse and going great.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: fruitlovers on June 18, 2019, 01:52:02 AM
Finally one of my trees is fruiting. Was surprised because it was the smallest of four trees that fruited first.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mh0YbNP9/P1080933.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mh0YbNP9)

Another of the trees has lots of flowers on it.
(https://i.postimg.cc/640t1fSP/P1080931.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/640t1fSP)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: CherimoyaDude on June 18, 2019, 04:34:12 PM
Can it fruit in a pot?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on June 18, 2019, 08:09:24 PM
Here is my Luc's.  I grafted scions from Adam onto a cut back Imbe(g. livingstonei) back in June 2017.  It is currently 6' or more and in what seems to be a near-constant flush.  I'm hoping the large Imbe's maturity and root system will push it to bloom sooner rather than later.

(https://i.postimg.cc/wt5BQD8G/IMG-0326.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wt5BQD8G)

(https://i.postimg.cc/sQVg613D/IMG-0327.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sQVg613D)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 18, 2019, 11:37:16 PM
that tree is looking dapper!

are there two scions on the one tree?

and are you letting the imbe grow at all, or knocking off all the suckers?

it looks very close to fruition, and once they start blooming, it seems like they keep going for a while, mine is setting all sort of fruit, and still has blooms coming on....i counted about 8 fruits set so far, although a few had fell off prematurely already

Here is my Luc's.  I grafted scions from Adam onto a cut back Imbe(g. livingstonei) back in June 2017.  It is currently 6' or more and in what seems to be a near-constant flush.  I'm hoping the large Imbe's maturity and root system will push it to bloom sooner rather than later.

(https://i.postimg.cc/wt5BQD8G/IMG-0326.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wt5BQD8G)

(https://i.postimg.cc/sQVg613D/IMG-0327.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sQVg613D)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on June 19, 2019, 06:22:00 AM
Great to hear Adam.  No Imbe shoots are allowed to live...still have anger issues over the original trees!   :P  There are actually 3 scions on the tree.  The largest and most dominant is the one going up and spreading.  Other two still growing well though and certainly don't seem to have any negative influence on the main scion. 

I've got the two big Imbe's that I cut back.  The second one has all of your improved brasiliensis on it.  It too is growing like a weed and put out a single bloom last year...nothing this year so far.  The branches are aggravating.  They all want to hang down instead of growing up.

Glad to hear yours are producing.  Can't wait to hear your review.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: guadua on June 19, 2019, 01:21:57 PM
That's impressive growth. How big were the scions when you grafted them?
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 19, 2019, 02:41:49 PM
thanks for the update Jay.

maybe it's a blessing that your brasiliensis is growing laterally, otherwise it would end up kissing the roof in your GH.   Don't be afraid to prune, or train the tree...just keep lots of big old branches, because they get lots of flowers, but i do see lots of flowers on 2yr old wood that is thin...

the brasiliesis should start dumping out the fruits soon!

Great to hear Adam.  No Imbe shoots are allowed to live...still have anger issues over the original trees!   :P  There are actually 3 scions on the tree.  The largest and most dominant is the one going up and spreading.  Other two still growing well though and certainly don't seem to have any negative influence on the main scion. 

I've got the two big Imbe's that I cut back.  The second one has all of your improved brasiliensis on it.  It too is growing like a weed and put out a single bloom last year...nothing this year so far.  The branches are aggravating.  They all want to hang down instead of growing up.

Glad to hear yours are producing.  Can't wait to hear your review.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: JoeReal on June 19, 2019, 03:05:41 PM
Where to buy available Seeds of Luc's Garcinia? Thanks!

grafted tree with bids at only $5.50 now!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Grafted-Lucs-Garcinia-brasiliensis-rootstock-RARE-Mexican-mangosteen-relative/192953526644 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Grafted-Lucs-Garcinia-brasiliensis-rootstock-RARE-Mexican-mangosteen-relative/192953526644?hash=item2ceced2974:g:tisAAOSwXKNdBuaS)

It's now $41, but by near auction's end, it's gonna sell for over $100!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on June 19, 2019, 05:11:09 PM
Guadua...scions were diameter of a pencil I guess and maybe 8".  It's got a big tree pushing it.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 19, 2019, 05:43:05 PM
i've seen a few sell for about $40 bucks!  but usually they are a bit higher, it just depends on who's watching and bidding that day...

i start them all at one penny!!

i got more to list soon too! (maybe another 10-12)


Where to buy available Seeds of Luc's Garcinia? Thanks!

grafted tree with bids at only $5.50 now!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Grafted-Lucs-Garcinia-brasiliensis-rootstock-RARE-Mexican-mangosteen-relative/192953526644 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Grafted-Lucs-Garcinia-brasiliensis-rootstock-RARE-Mexican-mangosteen-relative/192953526644?hash=item2ceced2974:g:tisAAOSwXKNdBuaS)

It's now $41, but by near auction's end, it's gonna sell for over $100!
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: JoeReal on June 19, 2019, 05:52:43 PM

grafted tree with bids at only $5.50 now!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Grafted-Lucs-Garcinia-brasiliensis-rootstock-RARE-Mexican-mangosteen-relative/192953526644 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Grafted-Lucs-Garcinia-brasiliensis-rootstock-RARE-Mexican-mangosteen-relative/192953526644?hash=item2ceced2974:g:tisAAOSwXKNdBuaS)

Is the Garcinia brasiliensis rootstock cold hardier than Luc's Garcinia? What benefits does Garcinia brasiliensis have over Luc's Garcinia's own seedling? We know of course that grafted ones fruit sooner.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: barath on June 20, 2019, 12:47:38 AM
I have found Mexican Garcinia to be more cold hardy than G. brasiliensis, and at least in the bay area they grew at about the same rate.  (Achachairu seemed to grow faster than either of them, but it was not as cold hardy.)
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: guadua on June 20, 2019, 07:27:58 AM
TropicalFruitHunters, I wish I had larger root stock to work with, but I used a young lemondrop with a scion smaller than yours. Grafted June 2018 and only three flushes that don't look as impressive as your tree. I don't have irrigation on it, it gets water whenever I have the chance to go out there with the hose. I think it'd be happier with wet feet.
Title: Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia growing experiences around the world
Post by: Ulfr on June 20, 2019, 07:42:07 PM
I have found Mexican Garcinia to be more cold hardy than G. brasiliensis, and at least in the bay area they grew at about the same rate.  (Achachairu seemed to grow faster than either of them, but it was not as cold hardy.)

I have recently found out about its cold hardiness too. Veeery early freeze (28f) out of season a few weeks ago. Leaf damage on most things and the small Luc's was untouched. We seem to get one or two of these nights a year but never that early so I hadn't even protected it.