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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Raw Honey Mango
« on: Today at 06:41:17 AM »
I just tried Raw Honey and it was very bland. I took one bite and threw the rest away. It was like a watered down Chokanon.

Someone with both Choc Anon and Raw Honey needs to have a shootout comparing the two in a blind test.
I am quite able to detect Choc Anon flavor blind, and when I ate Raw Honey mango & got the exact same taste.

This reference says the translation of Shwe Hintha is "Golden Brahmin Duck".

Two years ago I planted six soursop trees. Now that they are fruiting I have discovered they are Mountain Soursop (Annona montana) instead of ordinay soursop (annona muricata). I should have been more discriminating but was not very well versed and the vendor wasn't fully honest. The trees are healthy but I would prefer the muricata for fruit. I have a source for plenty of scions from ordinary soursop and may be able to get some named varieties.

My question pertains to how to go about the project. My options seem to be to either cut the trees low and graft onto sprouts or cut low branches and graft onto sprouts coming from slightly higher up. It seems to me that the difference would be dealing with rootstock sprouts later on and maybe healing problems of a large cut trunk compared to cuts on smaller branches. I have already been removing low sprouts anyways but have seen several soursop trees which seemed to have trouble healing damaged branches.

If anyone has done this I'd be interested in any comment, and especially from Har(Guanabanus) and Adam(Flying Fox Fruits) who I see as knowledgeable in this. Here is a picture of a typical tree in the row. They are about 8-10 feet tall and 3 inches trunk diameter.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wayne Clifton
« on: July 15, 2019, 08:31:01 PM »
'Dream' Atemoya

I've just started to see the first signs of blackness on my Brogdons.
here is a bowl of the other black avocado I have which is Mexicola.
My earliest they have been ripening the past moth, small size but the skin is edible like tomato skin.

I expect they will eventually take out every other tree after a few years production. The advantage is some very early production and use of space.
I thought about this a little more today and realized if you took out every other tree you would be at 16 ft spacing. In the long run maybe better to just do ~12 ft spacing to begin with and be done with it.

I'm pretty skeptical about the idea of this close a spacing. I've seen quite a few videos showing 1-2 or 3 year old plantings, but none 5-6-10 years on, judging by trunk diameter. I expect they will eventually take out every other tree after a few years production. The advantage is some very early production and use of space.
As I understand it grafted mango trees and labor are very cheap in India, so the numbers would be different.
Wholesale price here in the US is $15/3 gallon tree plus planting, fertilization, irrigation and upkeep for at least 2-3 years. Before even beginning to recover that cost you may have $50-100 per tree. Now at 8 ft spacing with 676 trees/acre you have invested $33,000- $67,600/acre for the trees before you start picking fruit. You had better get some production going very fast considering that sort of investment!

The temptation will be to keep the trees at which time light and pruning eventually becomes the issue. Lack of light means trees growing vertically and losing lower canopy.

Yes I know a dozen or even 100 trees is a lot less and many of us consider working with trees a labor of love. I would urge anyone considering a large scale UHD mango planting to run the numbers and look carefully for examples of how this has worked out. If you don't find one, and I have looked before, I urge caution.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangifera Indica is a myth
« on: July 11, 2019, 08:53:18 PM »
Fossils study are better than DNA tests for this since it provides much more older informations. And the oldest mango fossil comes from northern India.Now compare that with the fossils of Borneo mangoes .
I think fossils might be good if you could find them all. But trying to track down a lineage when the gravestones have been covered up is far harder than looking at the genes themselves which were carried down the family line and are present and ready at hand. They did use fossil citrus but genes leave traces you can track back easily.


This one is intersting and has been discussed before. Beware southern hemisphere seasons are opposite.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangifera Indica is a myth
« on: July 11, 2019, 05:02:49 PM »
DNA should tell the truth as it does for citrus. Until that gets done theories are only hypotheses.

I'm thinking if you have the space it probably takes 10 years to evaluate a variety's productivity since so many factors play into it.
-disease prevalence
-biennial habit

For instance, this year almost all mango trees in my area had a bad year, but a very few were outstanding. Certainly that wasn't variety and almost as certain it was weather related. Most had good flowering. I noticed much higher fruit load on trees on the east side, but others noticed good fruiting on the north. However, some varieties with low exposure did just fine. We had a norther wind storm not too cold but wind to 50 mph who knows what that did it shredded bananas. Very tough decisions to make with so many variables....

goes over the history, tree, fruit, and then a taste test
I have 3 LM/PPK trees about 10 years old and they are probably the most popular variety I have sold, just so different.
I've only picked them 3 seasons but they were very productive even when other varieties didn't perform.
I'm happy to have gotten 10 of the Lemon Zest last year before Zill discontinued them. Here on the west coast (actually on an offshore island) I'm hoping to avoid MBBS and productivity issues which appear to be off/on even at Truly Tropical.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Punta Gorda Mango Festival
« on: July 09, 2019, 07:24:19 AM »
The tasting was great, atendance was about 250 maybe 50 or so mango varieties available to taste, DJ music, raffle of mango, tools, etc., food trucks, discussions and demonstrations, mangos for sale, ticket included 2 custom rum with mango drinks. The venue was at a local rum factory. Plenty of rain but they had enough cover in the factory building. many thanks to Matthew Reece of "What's Ripening" and his army of volunteers who worked many days bringing this off.

Still holding PPK, Choc anon, Mallika, Carrie, Fairchild, Nam doc mai, Sprit of '76, Valencia Pride, Ivory. Most of these will be finished in 2 weeks.

I've heard of using seawater as an amendment, but it really only makes sense to me for some place far removed from the ocean.
A while back I sudied aerosols which are ordinarily found in the atmosphere itself. These will fall out as 'dry deposition' and also as wet deposition when washed out by rainfall. On a global level, sea salt aerosols form the greatest percentage of aerosols, formed when spray bubble burst. This is globally, and much of the globe is covered by sea water. The highest mineral source of atmospheric dust is the Saharan dust outflow and the second is Gobi desert. The Saharan dust supplies much mineral to South America including the Amazon and Gobi dust covers much of Asia even getting to the Western US. Ocean productivity itself is largely limited by iron and most of that enters in dustfall with some interesting outcomes. Mainly locations on continents where little sea-breeze penetrates, where sea salt dust gets washed out by rain or where heavy leaching happens would have much need for more sea salt. One good fact would be that the overall elemental content of sea water should generally match the elements leached from soils.  That is my amateur opinion based on some study of aeolian flux.
Since highly diluted sea salt is an ordinary component of the atmosphere unless overdone I don't suppose it can do much harm.
Being on a coastline I personally find no use for it, but may use for coconut.

This is why common names are no good. I know yet another fruit called hog plum in a different country and not any sort of spondias. Only by using the correct botanical names or at least a name most agreed upon can we find common ground. How about Mombin and Ambarella?

Youtube is growing very fast, 300 hours are uploaded every minute. You have to be skeptical of what you find there just like anywhere else on the internet. Be especially careful of machine generated voiceovers, they can be giveaways of someone who makes "junk videos" of no value or accuracy whatsoever, it is getting very bad lately.

There is some variability in mombin. In El Salvador they are called Jocote & a preferred variety is "de corona', with a crown structure on the distal(lower) end, and a larger size than most.

My neighbor has one I would name "de pez", with a nipple on the end, and also much larger size than normal.
they are all vegetatively propagated from branch cuttings and so would be true to type when planted.

Mombin trees if large make a lot of fruit, it is hard to eat it all and much can go to waste. It does easily make a good wine, I used whole fruit.

Also most things from Hawaii are  way expensive that is why 'most' pineapples are grown in the 3rd world and while sugar used to be produced there Hawaii doesn't do that anymore.

Just an observation but some people have trouble with passionfruit pollination, and bumblebees seem to be the best for that.
If you want to attract them in Florida plant a few "Blue Porter Weed" (Stachytarpheta jamaicensis). Without fail they are always on this plant. Very easy to find and propagates by cuttings or seedlings.

Common names are variable but scientific names are a little better.
Check Spondias dulcis and Spondias mombin.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Certified Organic Farm
« on: July 03, 2019, 05:58:39 PM »
Congrats and keep growing. I hope to get over and see it soon.

.Here the guys from those video links i posted give you the seedlings and they sign a contract to buy your wood wich they export to Japan at a higher price.

I feel sorry for the people who get into this.

Stradivarius violins are made of Paulownia wich says a lot about the quality of the wood.The otther violin makers of that time tryed anything they could to clean spruce or otther woods of resin so that it would act like paulownia.Paulownia wood was Stradivarius secret.
Every reference I looked at says Stradivarius used maple and spruce many scientists have looked at the properties of the wood he used, no mention of Paulownia.

I'll probably pollard them at head height and continue there so you can walk easily around them. They are planted between banana trees which are 8 feet apart. They are planted next to the wooden stakes you see between the banana trees in this picture.

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