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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My First Taste of Lisa Atemoya
« on: December 28, 2017, 06:59:20 PM »
There's a local Asian Tropical Fruit vendor here in SJ that received a massive shipment of African Pride and an unknown red Atemoya.
Cannot say it's Lisa or Birula or anything I know since I've never had the honor of tasting any.

Cost is $16.99lb, cherimoya $9.99lb

The store owner told me they came from San Diego, fresh with loads of black scales all over the fruits lol
The black scale costs extra.  That's why they are charging $16.99 per pound!  ::)

Our conversation was lucky, just yesterday i noticed a of flower on a branch of my biriba  :)
Actually it's a small cluster of flowers with 2 big ones and a couple of very small malformed ones. Is it normal?
Only one cluster, no other branch has flowers.
I think pollination is very unlikely to happen i think i'll have still to wait to get my first fruit but nevertheless i'm already happy !

Nice growing on that Biriba.  The open flower looks like it's in full male timing, so collect that pollen and store it in the fridge.  That way you can try to pollinate the other flowers as they open.  Continue to collect the pollen from the succession of male flowers to pollinate the female flowers as they mature. That's what I did with my custard apple and it worked well.  Keep us updated on your progress.

very nice! hand pollination is recommended for most, probably due to lack of natural pollinators in most regions.

Mine has flowered like crazy 3 times, but no fruit have held yet. only a few set, but all dropped. tree is probably 12 feet after last trimming, going to shorten it some more soon.
Does this mean it has been flowering for 3 years and the fruit still does not hold? Just checking because in your climate Biriba is suppose to fruit well. Maybe the tree is still quite young at 12 feet tall?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My First Taste of Lisa Atemoya
« on: December 27, 2017, 01:23:29 PM »
Lisa is definitely one of my favorites and deserves a spot in my yard.  Another good variety to fill up the calendar year so you can have a longer season of Annona.

Beautiful fruit guayaba!

I totally agree! I know there are Annonas that are suppose to be more flavorful and have a bit of acid to them, but no Cherimoya has this particular taste.  It's nice to have a little variety in taste of the fruits we grow.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My First Taste of Lisa Atemoya
« on: December 27, 2017, 01:17:06 PM »
I am full of envy!
I got my first taste of Lisa Atemoya last summer right before Irma leveled my tree.
I cut the tree way back and pulled a dozen unripe fruit off. The tree recovered so maybe
next year?
I know it isn't enough to say that at least the tree survived, but I hope you have an excellent year in 2018 and your Lisa recovers fully.  Maybe this radical pruning you had to do will invigorate the tree to produce more fruit for you next year?  I am sure you will be enjoying the fruit soon enough. My tree is small, so it will be another year or so before I get my own fruit.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / My First Taste of Lisa Atemoya
« on: December 27, 2017, 11:58:01 AM »
I had my first try of Lisa Atemoya and it was good!  Just have to say it was not my fruit but it was backyard grown here in San Diego. From previous discussions on the forum, I was expecting a less than mediocre fruit.  The tree doesn't produce a lot of fruit and maybe this one fruit was small but it weighed in at 13 ounces. It may have been picked a little early but the skin between the areoles started to turn pink/light yellow, so I picked it and let it ripen on the counter for five days. The areoles and skin of the fruit just start to slightly soften and it felt like plastic.  I cut it open and ate half if it right away and put the other half in the fridge to eat later chilled. The first sensation I had when eating the fruit was it was sweet, then came the rather berry like-taste. I though the chilled half tasted even better and had the taste of strawberry yogurt with chunks of fruit in it. I agree with other reviewers that it is not as creamy as a Cherimoya and the carpels are somewhat chewy,but not overly so.  I would probably rate it a 3.5 out of 5 on taste, low seed count of 13 seeds was good.  Overall, it was an enjoyable fruit, creamy in between the areoles, and definately worthwhile eating!  ;D

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What Kind Of Custard Apples Is This?
« on: December 26, 2017, 02:20:12 PM »
I would guess that it is an Atemoya given its size end the pronounced areoles. perhaps an Annona expert could tell if it has any other mix of Annonas, but it doesn't look like any custard apple I have seen. What was the texture like?  Was it slightly chewy?

Unfortunatley I don't grow Mexicola avocado, there are other avocados in my region that I enjoy eating more like Fuerte and Reed, which are not as hardy as Mexicola.  As Spaugh said, a grower in Northern California will hopefully provide you some better comment. One issue that NissanVersa mentioned is you should know what the average ultimate lowest temperature is during winter and how often it occurs each winter.  You should also try to determine what the ultimate coldest temperature has been during winter of the last decade or so is.  If you frequently have temperatures of -7 Celsius or lower, your chances of keeping an avocado alive are very few.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: anona rosada
« on: December 22, 2017, 01:57:49 AM »
'Red Delicious' and 'Braeburn' and 'Fuji' all look similar too.

these pix should help. Because of the colder night temps in December the taste is more lemony with an improve citrusy taste.

From your experience, how late can an Ilama fruit ripen in California before the cold nights effect the taste in a negative way?  Is December usually the dividing line between good quality and poor quality fruit by January or early February?


I think we have reached that point. I have 8 left I don't expect them to sweeten up much


Good information for me to know.  Now I understand why you suggest we get Ilama to bloom as early as possible.  I have one fruit on the unknown "Twiggy" Ilama that is at least a few weeks away from ripening. I didn't get flowers to open until the end of July this year, so it looks like it won't be ripen until late January or February...if it even ripens at all.  The fruit have picked up some speed in growth this month, but now we are getting cold nights, so I fear the fruit quality will go down.  At least I have learned something about how the plant cycles through the flowering and fruiting stages. ;D

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: anona rosada
« on: December 20, 2017, 01:13:23 AM »
'Red Delicious' and 'Braeburn' and 'Fuji' all look similar too.

these pix should help. Because of the colder night temps in December the taste is more lemony with an improve citrusy taste.

From your experience, how late can an Ilama fruit ripen in California before the cold nights effect the taste in a negative way?  Is December usually the dividing line between good quality and poor quality fruit by January or early February?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Jackfruit Tree leaves look sickly.....
« on: December 13, 2017, 11:28:23 PM »
It could be from the ungodly santa ana winds we had the other day, my tropicals suffered a bit of burn like that as well, mainly my cherimoya, cacao, coffee, and soursop. It could also be the hard water, you an flush it out with some reverse osmosis water once a month, anyways, Happy Gardening, Matt
Follow Matt’s advice regarding flushing with RO water. Using water softened irrigation is not good for plants. Never use a water softened water for any potted plants. You will have a lot of leaf dieback due to salt accumulation if you continue using softened water.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting onto cold hardy Annonas
« on: December 11, 2017, 08:41:03 AM »
Quick question.   Annona cherimola, atemoya and some ornamental Annonas are more cold hardier.

My question is this, if I graft a Annona diversifolia, reticulata or others onto a cold hardy species will it then make the tropical species grafts cold hardy also?

The sap and or brix would be being delivered to the graft from the cold hardy root stock correct?

Could this work or be done?
One of the Annona gurus will probably answer your question more thoroughly, but grafting A. diversifolia and A. reticulata onto Cherimoya root stock will not technically make the grafted portions more hardy to cold. Here in California, some A. diversifolia and A. reticulata can suffer from the cold and cool weather for several months and then die.  If grafted onto Cherimoya root stock, they tend to tolerate the cool conditions and cold wet soil better. The grafted portions are still subject to typical exposure to frost and freezes, so you can't grow A. diversifolia and A. reticulata grafted onto Cherimoya root stock in all regions that grow Cherimoya.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Early season atemoya varieties?
« on: December 11, 2017, 08:16:59 AM »
Island gem is very early and the rosada ilama will fruit at a different time of the year more like sugar apples.
Island Gem sounds like a good one to try....and as you said easy to grow.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Early season atemoya varieties?
« on: December 11, 2017, 08:15:17 AM »
Calostro & Birula start ripening in October and the have an extended season until February and some years April

Good to know Calostro and Birula are in fruit for extended periods and late in the season too.  I can't wait for the scions I got from you to produce fruit.  Really like that photo of Birula fruit....beautiful!

That is a nice sized seedling and ready to bust out of that pot!  Good thing you planted it in the ground to get it up to size so it will bloom. Make sure to mulch and fertilize well this summer so it can get up to blooming size- about 2 meters. You can worry about fruit production after that time.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Early season atemoya varieties?
« on: December 10, 2017, 09:53:26 AM »
Here in La Habra early atemoyas:

La Habra Sun
Arka Saha
Anona Rosada ilama
Moyas have all been early a few Pierce, Campus, El Bumpo and others

Thanks for the input Frank. Your big collection of Atemoyas are really helpful for those of us who are only a couple of years into growing these.  I was able to get some of these scions from you to take and they are growing nicely. I'll have to order La Habra Sun later next year.  Any input on some late season Atemoya that are fairly consistent?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Early season atemoya varieties?
« on: December 10, 2017, 09:40:43 AM »
Im in Chula Vista and Have been eating about 20 atemoya for a month now.  Hand pollinate around April. Both ap and geffner.

I attempted to get my AP to bloom as early as possible this year and I only succeeded in getting one late May bloom. Most of the rest of the flowers opened in June and July. My neighbors pepper tree blocks some of the sun in the spring, so it only gets part sun.  I am going to see if she allows me to prune the tree a bit this winter, so the AP will get more sun in spring. I also  had a problem with delayed fertilization....even though I pollinated starting in early June, those flowers and peduncles fell off, so no fruit formed.  It wasn't until late June that the peduncles held and fruit formed. It also didn't help that I was on vacation for two weeks in June.  :o

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Early season atemoya varieties?
« on: December 10, 2017, 09:26:24 AM »
I live more toward the cost in san diego and my atemoya get a late start due to the mild climate.  For thelast two years, my atemoya are ready in feb and march

Good to know this. I think local conditions can vary quite a bit from the coast to just a few miles inland, so the Atemoyas would have different ripening times in these areas. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar Apple issues
« on: December 09, 2017, 09:52:51 AM »

My atemoya is looking like this and dropping leaves due to dormancy.

Unfortunately my sugar apple look like that the whole year. I don't know exactly what the problem is, I guess I'll try spraying copper next year.

i'll keep an eye on my sugar apples to see if they do the same thing next year. Using copper as a foliar spray to deal with fungus attack on leaves may be a good idea.  I noticed a similar problem on Ilama leaves this last summer.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cacao seeds and seedlings
« on: December 09, 2017, 09:47:47 AM »
Thanks for the input guys! This was just a fun exercise about germinating cocoa seeds.  I never thought I could grow the plants outdoors here in San Diego year around.  if they survive through seedling stage, they will remain in the greenhouse where they belong as tropical plants. I am  happy enough to grow coffee and miracle fruit for shade plants in this climate. :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Early season atemoya varieties?
« on: December 08, 2017, 07:19:52 PM »
I just thought I would bump this post out again and see if anyone else has some input.  Do other growers in areas like California, Florida, Hawaii, India...etc have most of the atemoya varieties ripening all around the same time like Mike does? In speaking with Ong's Nursery in San Diego, the PPC and Lisa varieties appear to be early to mid season and African Pride is more mid to late season. Maybe these are just local observations? I have been told that January is a plentiful time for Atemoya to available here in San Diego and that appears to be true for Cherimoya as well.

A great line from the San Diego Union Tribune Newspaper...."San Diego fire weather is so extreme, purple is the new red".  It looks like the winds will calm down here in SD by Sunday. Hopefully no more shake and bake this year!

Getting one of these seedlings to grow is going to be difficult so long as my wife continues to prohibit me from murdering... uhh... I mean "humanely relocating to the bottom of the lake" the iguanas.

Looks like the iguana is walking way from the papaya and job is done here! ;)  Another pest that you all have to deal with on top of the other critters.Ugh!

I hope all of our members in and near the fires the best of luck and keep safe!  The winds yesterday were crazy. In the area of San Diego I live in the winds are often very calm, even on bad Santa Ana wind days.  Yesterday  we had some of the strongest winds I have seen in years.  The winds and low humidity in the 20's have dried everything out. I have to remember to tie up more of the fruit and water today, just in case the winds return.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Irma Deaths
« on: December 08, 2017, 10:29:12 AM »
I thought these would come back but they're dead.  The Pickering mango and vexator were great producers. The vexator produced thousands of fruit a year.


Pickering and a Hawaiian cultivar

It's disappointing to hear that some of your prized trees did not make it.  I hope you have no more of your trees die due to the hurricane/post hurricane effects.  Looking on the bright side, you have an opportunity to replace the trees and try something new. Some of your other trees are recovering nicely!

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