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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can cherimoya grow in Vietnam?
« on: September 16, 2017, 06:41:47 PM »
There is a city and surrounding region of Dalat in south central Vietnam. The elevation is about 5,000 ft.and would be perfect for growing Cherimoya. I didn't see any growing there, but there are a lot of other cool growing subtropical plants like Strelitzia reginae, cool growing cymbidium orchids, even hydrangeas. At this elevation they have much cooler night temperatures throughout the year that Cherimoya would find agreeable. The landscape in the city reminded me a lot of San Diego!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Amazing Durian Year
« on: September 08, 2017, 01:39:16 PM »
Congratulations Oscar!  That is quite literally a haul of Durian.  It almost makes me wish I enjoyed eating Durian.....almost! ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Vietnam annonas and tropical fruits
« on: September 08, 2017, 09:22:15 AM »
It has been a few years since I visited Vietnam, but finding tropical fruits was not difficult.  The time of year you travel may effect the types of fruits available.  I was there in January/February for the Tet celebration.  In Saigon, fruit vendors on the street are everywhere...you can get refreshing coconut milk and fresh sugar cane juice just about anywhere with vendors riding carts around like they were selling ice cream in the U.S.  Since it was winter, citrus dominated the fruit markets with pomelo and tangerines being plentiful.  There was also mangosteen, some limited rambutan, and wax jambu.

There are short tours of the Mekong Delta region that leave from Saigon, see if you can visit Ben Tre Island.  I was able to visit a couple of organic farms there and it is a fantastic place with a lot of fruit orchards.  This is where I tasted my first Jackfruit.  I was on overload there and saw all kinds of fruit trees I was not familiar with.  There was a little bit of a language barrier, so I didn't have an opportunity to try any Annonas.  There may not have been many Annonas grown at the farms I visited.  At the time of year I was there, fruit that was red or gold in color were favored for the Tet celebration....it would have been great to see sugar apples in those colors!

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I have a 7 gal. green Caimito from Plantogram and a 5 gal. purple seedling that is a little over 2 years old. The green Caimito has yet to see a full winter, but has really grown well this year, and is now in bud. The purple seedling has been slower growing but is making progress this year. Also hoping Oscar's giant purple seedlings continue to do well at 3 months old!  ::)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hornworm galore
« on: September 03, 2017, 01:16:33 PM »
Holy shit Bob!  I was wondering what kind of link you were showing us and now I see.I could not eat a damn hornworm, hell, I don't even like touching them.
Lol! Can you imagine serving them for dinner! Protein is protein I guess!  :P

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Need help!!! African pride fruit dropping.
« on: September 02, 2017, 11:05:15 AM »
I went out in the garden this morning and found this on the ground.


A few of the smaller fruits on my African Pride tree look like they may drop as well.


The larger fruits look good, even with the 98F temperatures we had yesterday. I am just hoping it only effects the smaller fruits. I foliar fed my tree about 5 weeks ago, but I don't think that had any adverse effects on it. This could just be the tree dropping fruit due to stress. I removed half of the fruit on the tree in July to prevent further stressing the tree in summer.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hornworm galore
« on: August 30, 2017, 08:18:45 PM »
What kinds of critters will eat these critters? And can we eat the critters that eat the critters?

I just had to post this link as an answer to your question.  I am surprised the recipe only has three stars! ;)
https://www.thedailymeal.com/recipes/fried-green-tomato-hornworms-recipe

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: sugar apple in san diego?
« on: August 30, 2017, 01:12:36 PM »
I haven't seen any for sale yet in the San Diego area.  I have been looking in Vietnamese markets and Mexican produce stores.  I thought they may import some from Florida or Mexico, but no luck yet.

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Just curious Jon...how long have you been pollinating them?  My custard apple spent a long time maturing buds but didn't really start opening flowers until late June here in San Diego.  After that, the first month no pollination was successful and all the flowers and peduncles fell off. Starting in late July many of the flowers seemed to be successfully hand pollinated, but it was difficult to tell because the ovary didn't swell and become fruit right away. The peduncles have not fallen off after almost six weeks, so it appears that pollination was successful, but the fruits take so very long to mature....not like atemoya or cherimoya at all.  Adam has posted the 9 month "birthing simulation" of custard apples in the past...I think they just take a long time to form fruit.  Check to see if some of your custard apples have very small ovaries at the end of the flower stalk (peduncle).  If they are still hanging on after a few weeks you should get fruit. ;D


I will check for that, but my concern is that I don't see any pollen at all.  When you pollinated yours, did you just brush a male flower a few times and then dab it inside the female without seeing pollen on your brush/tool, or did you actually see pollen? I don't see any visible pollen coming from the male flowers.


My Custard Apple started flowering in a similar way as yours and didn't produce any pollen for the first couple of weeks or so.  Then I noticed when I collected the pollen in a container, that there was more pollen produced after I attempted pollination.  After about a month I noticed a lot of pollen that I collected from the male stage flowers, so don't give up.  The new flowers may just start producing pollen. I just kept pollinating flowers every week and finally had some success....at least at pollination.  This is the same thing that happened with my Atemoya (no pollen was produced the first few weeks of flowering) and I have fruit on that tree now as well.

The fruit on the Custard Apple are just now starting to increase in size, still smaller than a pea.




Here is the link to a time lapse of Adam's experience with the fruit maturing.  Maybe one of the Annona experts will chime in about pollen production.  It could be that young trees tend not to produce much pollen the first year of flowering?
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1211.msg69087#msg69087



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Monster sugar apple!
« on: August 29, 2017, 05:29:49 PM »
Let us know how it tastes when it is ripe.  It looks delicious!  Nice color too.

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That Isan Indigo sounds great!  Sign me up for some seed or scions if you plan to sell them in the future.

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Just curious Jon...how long have you been pollinating them?  My custard apple spent a long time maturing buds but didn't really start opening flowers until late June here in San Diego.  After that, the first month no pollination was successful and all the flowers and peduncles fell off. Starting in late July many of the flowers seemed to be successfully hand pollinated, but it was difficult to tell because the ovary didn't swell and become fruit right away. The peduncles have not fallen off after almost six weeks, so it appears that pollination was successful, but the fruits take so very long to mature....not like atemoya or cherimoya at all.  Adam has posted the 9 month "birthing simulation" of custard apples in the past...I think they just take a long time to form fruit.  Check to see if some of your custard apples have very small ovaries at the end of the flower stalk (peduncle).  If they are still hanging on after a few weeks you should get fruit. ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Luc's Mexican Garcinia
« on: August 21, 2017, 10:58:55 PM »
Okay you guys have convinced me to plant both.  They both sound like top notch fruit....and really good.  Now I just need to find a place to plant them.....and the patience to wait for them to fruit!  8)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can you Germinate old Passiflora seeds?
« on: August 18, 2017, 12:57:40 AM »
I wish I could tell you a success story, but I attempted to germinate over 120 Passiflora seeds last January and had no success.  I tried many of the methods you discussed including soaking in orange juice, milk, water, warm water and nothing worked.  I think all the seed I had was old and not viable.  I am trying a couple of new batches and started them this week. I understand Passiflora seed can take many months to germinate, but I used a seedling heat mat and kept the soil moist for five months.  That should have been sufficient for germination to occur if the seed were viable.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Guillermo ilama
« on: August 15, 2017, 03:29:47 PM »
I brought about 9 varieties if Ilama / Papauce from western Guatemala, on four trips, from 1985-1993, sent by Zill Nursery.  Most I did not get to taste there.  I accepted the recommendations of informants, in response to queries.  I would show pictures of ilamas, and I would say,"These we already have, but we are looking for better ones.  I will pay for information, and for small branches for grafting.  What is the best Papauce tree in your comunity, for reddest pulp, or best flavor, or highest productivity."   Only one person indicated his own tree;  that was the Pajapita.

Per pulp color:

Genova White
one other white one
and one very pale whitish pink one

very red flesh
Genova Red*
Roman
Nilito

very pink flesh
Guillermo*
Pajapita*

? probably light pink
'Efrain 200'  Selected for productivity--- Mr. Efrain said" I sold some 200 fruits from this tree this year."  I could see at least a hundred fruit stems still hanging in the tree.  But it never fruited here in Florida, so I never saw a fruit, only just the color of the new growth, which is a good indication of flesh color.

You can see more details in old issues of Tropical Fruit News, and in one issue of Tropical Fruit World, 1990.
Thanks for the input Har!  I keep a copy of the Neglected Crops article from you that has really helped understand the variation in Ilama.  Does Roman have almost purple flesh.  Seems like a nice one to search for.....if it still exists  ;D .  It's a shame that more of these varieties aren't in circulation.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Guillermo ilama
« on: August 15, 2017, 12:12:44 AM »
   Bob

I had a bunch of " Dr.White " seedlings and they were pushing new growth when I grafted Franks scions onto them. Infact after grafting I've noticed buds below the graft union are swelling and pushing so I know that the sap in flowing. I've been fertilizing them with a chicken waste fertilizer which has given good results. I'm going to try Frank's method of stripping leaves/ pruning back in February/March to see if I can get earlier flowers to pollinate. My fino flowers pretty much continuously.

William
William - that should work out well using Dr. White as root stock. I have some Dr. White seedling that I will be using next spring for grafting.  Keep us updated on your progress with your Ilama grafts.  I have noticed the grafts I have of Fino De Jete are very vigorous as well.  They seem to send out buds all the time!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Guillermo ilama
« on: August 15, 2017, 12:03:23 AM »
    WGPhil

 I just grafted this one from scions that Frank so graciously provided. I was looking at it last night and it shows signs of beginning to push. I'm getting excited. What is your opinion about it's flavor ?

William
Just curious....what did you graft your Ilama scions onto? My grafts from spring of the Genova Red and Frank's Anona Rosada confinue to have a tough time when I grafted them onto my un-named Ilama "Twiggy".  They continue to struggle but are still alive.  My hope is that the new summer grafts I made directly onto Cherimoya stock will fair better.

Anona Rosada graft slowly growing new (red leaves) with Twiggy leaves in background.



Ilama will not work (grafts will fail or struggle and fail) when grafted to itself.

Some pond apple works for ilama and some cherimoya (I have seen it fail on certain cherimoya).  When on Sugar Apple it usually flourishes, has trouble setting fruit/sets mo fruit and then seems to die out of nowhere.
Rob-Thanks for the verification that Ilama grafted onto Ilama does not work well. Now I can use that excuse instead of my subpar grafting technique  ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Guillermo ilama
« on: August 14, 2017, 04:39:46 PM »
    WGPhil

 I just grafted this one from scions that Frank so graciously provided. I was looking at it last night and it shows signs of beginning to push. I'm getting excited. What is your opinion about it's flavor ?

William
Just curious....what did you graft your Ilama scions onto? My grafts from spring of the Genova Red and Frank's Anona Rosada confinue to have a tough time when I grafted them onto my un-named Ilama "Twiggy".  They continue to struggle but are still alive.  My hope is that the new summer grafts I made directly onto Cherimoya stock will fair better.

Anona Rosada graft slowly growing new (red leaves) with Twiggy leaves in background.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Now that is some Avocado! Or is it?
« on: August 13, 2017, 04:35:38 PM »
In honor of the last season of Game of Thrones.......a hilarious meme!  Perhaps Daenerys Stormborn Targaryen should have a new title "Mother of Avocados! I can't imagine finding the perfect avocado in the supermarket, but maybe a backyard grown avocado in California!



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Guillermo ilama
« on: August 13, 2017, 11:21:43 AM »
Guillermo is suppose to be a pink fleshed variety.  If your "Red Ilama" is described properly, then it would probably not be Guillermo. Some of the red Ilamas that are being sold at California nurseries may be Genova Red....I am told. Unfortunately we won't know until they fruit. Where did you purchase your red ilama from?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what kind of annon is this rollina?
« on: August 12, 2017, 06:55:45 PM »
Just ate one and it was great. No grittiness at all and was sweet with a lemon and slight mango ish  flavor. Way different then sugar apple and atemoya I have had. Only downfall was tons of seeds lol.

Awesome! Good to know it was about the correct ripeness.  I figured folks like Oscar and Rob would know.  How was the texture? if it was creamy and not slimy that would be good for me!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what kind of annon is this rollina?
« on: August 12, 2017, 06:53:40 PM »
It is getting soft and the spikes some  turning black on the ends
So it seems to be getting ripe in a day or two. Would the seeds be worth saving and germinating to try to grow it?
Definitely a rollinia (aka biriba), not atemoya. You can eat it now. Spikes don't need to turn black. Some like it better before full ripeness as they tend to get a bit mucous when fully ripe. Yes the seeds are worth saving and easy to sprout.

Assuming you like the fruit...while there may be good ones however I have never tasted one that I thought was worth taking another bite.
Ouch Rob!  Really that bad?  I had one and it was a bit slimy, but not as bad as a couple of the Guanabana that I have had.  I think it could be just that they were over ripe, but I am willing to try more Rollinia! :D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what kind of annon is this rollina?
« on: August 12, 2017, 05:14:24 PM »
I am hoping we will get some Annona experts on to look at your photo and verify this is a Rollinia.  Something tells me there was discussion of a yellow Atemoya in the past, but i couldn't find the link. If it is a Rollinia, it may be close to ripe since they ripen really fast once picked.....like in hours to a day.  If it is an Atemoya it may take a few days to ripen fully.   Is it really firm still? Hard like a rock, or can you press on the surface and it has just a slight give to the flesh?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what kind of annon is this rollina?
« on: August 12, 2017, 04:33:35 PM »
Went to El placio de jugos and they had them 3.99$ a pound picked up 2 and their huge. They said their a variety of atemoya but they look like rollina to me!

One way to find out is open it and eat it!  But seriously, it looks a bit Rollinia-ish.  If those tips turn black and it softens up fast, it is probably a Rollinia.  If it's an Atemoya, that thing looks awesome and you should let us all know how it tastes and where we can get some scions!  ::)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Weekend Projects
« on: August 12, 2017, 11:06:17 AM »
Just curious as to why you put all the seeds in 1 pot? It seems to me this would not be the best method if you plan on moving them individually to their own pot once they get some size since you will have to cut their root systems to separate them? If you're afraid of transplant shock- starting them off in their own individual pot would be a step in the right direction. My 2 cents. Good luck! Chris
I placed the seeds of each species in one pot to primarily save space since I germinated them in a greenhouse, plus I wasn't sure I would get good germination.  In my experience most young seedlings take to transplanting well. I have used the one pot method with success in the past, as long as I don't wait too long and have to untangle roots .  It wasn't until after I had planted the seeds that I was told that Caimito have sensitive roots systems and don't like to be disturbed much.  I'll post some photos next week of my progress.  Thanks for the wish of luck!  8)

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