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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plinia rivularis
« on: May 23, 2019, 10:41:34 PM »
Bump it for the Rivularis growers

tree going strong, it suffered from some kind of die back i guess fungal or something...but came back real nice, in protected spot, lots of sun...7ft, no flowers yet.

lol Dr. Shafran is my dad...haha...and there is actually a Dr. Adam Shafran, but he's not related to me directly.

that tree is planted out in full sun in my brother's back long as it's not over 90F every day, it should be ok without too much help...but i think they appreciate some shade when healing.

never let rootstock grow leaves, cut them all off if they try to grow...but you can leave some foliage on the rootstock if you want, it helps feed the scion, but is not necessary to leave any foliage on the rootstock.

I may have to call my bro to make him water the tree regularly, because now we are getting temps over 90F daily...without rain, it may stunt, or burn the foliage.

for my smaller grafts, i put them in shade (shade house or under another larger tree, so mid day sun doesn't cook them)....and then water religiously...a little fert can't hurt...but main thing is keep temp below 90F if possible, and shade from intense sun rays....but I've grafted them out in the field with no issues, as long as they are watered regularly.

Excellent video... but like any good movie.. it left me wanting more.
After you have finished taping it up... what is your post-surgical transplant procedure?
What is you ICU process?
Shade or bright light? Soak the pot with water or fertilizer? Misting? Keep it dry?
Do you pinch-off the growth below the graft? Temp issues/concerns?
Thank you for sharing Dr Shafran!


It's better to use the 70% alcohol than the 91% or 40% alcohol for sanitation. The 91% alcohol evaporates too quickly that sometimes, the time of contact for the kill isn't enough. The 40% on the other hand is very slow to evaporate. The 70% is just right. This was gleaned from the experience of various horticultural researchers.

thanks for the pro tip!!  Hopefully it helps that I repeatedly wipe them, and don't let the alcohol evaporate quickly.  I've never had an issue using 91%, and still have about 80-90% success rate.


oh hell ya, u got the old school shirt...that thing is worth $100 now bro...vintage...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Aframomum sp. seed germination
« on: May 20, 2019, 07:35:04 PM »
looks like first flowers are here after about 6y!

planted in shade, with southern exposure, and in super wet spot...

they survived about 25F so far, but probably was closer to 27F because a little protected.

Very strong plant.

the aframomum seeds i got from Soren are flowering now, after about 6-7yrs...hoping they set fruits!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: May 16, 2019, 04:59:56 PM »
should grow right out of it, they swallow wounds like the blob...

i got some with really bad wounds and they seem to heal with no help...

but i'm sure unlucky trees can decline in rare cases...i'd probably just leave it alone, and try not to get that part saturated too much...
I bought a jabo with some bark damage at the trunk. Is there something I should do to prevent it from rotting in the future? Or is it fine to leave it like this? It has been growing nicely otherwise.

Maybe clear away the dirt around the wound.
How deep is the cut?

Wound seems deep, I dug down 3Ē and it was missing part of the bark all the way down. I didnít dig further fearing roots may be disturbed. I was unaware of the missing bark until I bought it home since it was wrapped in trash bags for the journey.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Flying Fox Fruits Nursery
« on: May 14, 2019, 04:40:18 PM »
Hello everyone,

I just wanted to drop in and say I love you.

And I wish I had the energy to respond to every email inquiry, but I don't.

I choose to run a small operation by myself with no employees for now, and want to produce as many trees as I can.   I have been doing this full time for a while now, 110% dedicated to Plinias and rare fruit trees...and I have no intentions of slowing down.

For now, I will be selling on ebay, mostly through the auction process (I will post a link to my ebay store below).

Soon i hope to get my website revamped, and also maybe hire a friend to field my email inquiries, and help ship.

In the meantime, there seems to be some amazing new sources for grafted Plinias popping up to help satisfy demand.  Most of them are in FL, TX, and CA, and are people I've known for years, or personally have met, and i think highly of them sure to check out some other nurseries.  (if you are grafting Plinias -or rare fruit-, and have supported my nursery in the past, go ahead a post a shout out to me here, so people can find you, and your products.  I will allow you to post once to get your name out to my customers).

Once again, i just wanted to drop in, and express my love for everyone who has been so excited and supportive over the years....i can't think of any other hobby/profession/past time, that has the capability of bringing so many people together, from so far around the world, and of so many languages/cultures, and age groups.  I'm so thankful to know you all, and to have the opportunity to share ideas, and food with you. 

I don't think of rare fruit growing as a hobby, or even a profession, it's more a way of living, and i think more people every day are seeing the value in growing their own food, and keeping fruit trees, which are in a sense, appreciating assets.

I'm really excited to share some more ideas, and rare plants with you soon.  I have many new varieties I've selected that are being evaluated, and slated for release!! 

Yours truly,

Prince of Plinia

hey it only took about 4yrs since i told ya'll about it, now it's for sale!

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Flying Fox Fruits Nursery
« on: May 13, 2019, 02:29:06 AM »
first grafted Plinia sp. "Anomaly" to be offered for auction:

thanks for the inquiries everyone,

I just can't keep up with email...

so now selling mostly to public via ebay, and facebook!!

eventually I will get back on track with answering emails, but for now, I'm totally frickin swamped.

the rarest best plants i have all get auctioned, because they are so rare, i can't set a price for them...

i wish i had my own auction page with as many followers as ebay, but for now i'm stuck in their matrix...the money i've been getting at auction is much higher than I could sell locally, or if I listed them for sale...

thanks again for being patient with me, this is rare fruit after all, some of these varieties would never even exist if I hadn't started growing and selecting rare fruits a over a decade ago.

just got a refractometer, and started testing some fruits for brix %.

was pleasantly surprised to see Anomaly topping the charts, and beating any brix % i can find reference to on the internet in abstracts or web sites that have data on Plinia brix %.

the highest I've seen is about 16.5-17.5%  cited by other sources.

i tested some red jabos, some picked slightly early, some picked when ripe, but I have not tested them when super ripe.  The highest readings for red jabo i got so far were about 15-16%...

the anomaly came in at about 20%, maybe just a hair higher, but they were absolutely dead ripe, perfect stage.

to give a you an idea of some other brix % i got for the day, Pitangatuba 7-8%, Sapodilla "makok" 25%, pitanga black seedling 15%, pitanga zill dark grafted 19%, pitanga dasyblasta 22%, everglades tomato 7%, eugenia calycina 20%, thai dwarf mulberry 10%.

anomaly fruits are the two on the left, they have green splotches, even when totally ripe.  The red jabos are the two on the left, they were picked just a bit early, but were still very sweet.  I'm sure i would be able to get a slightly higher brix% if they were super ripe.

brix% for red jabo slightly early stage, approx 16%

perfectly ripe Anomaly fruit impressive 20% brix

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pitangatubas Are Exploding!
« on: May 04, 2019, 03:49:14 PM »
berry exciting!  :)

yea looking back at when i started this thread, i've changed quite a bit, i like surinam cherries now for sure, i used to hate them....and still don't enjoy the resin flavor, but some just taste better than others (have less offensive resin)....they are so easy to grow, i have them grafted, and planted all over my farm

My wife's friend was visiting and wanted to try a Surinam cherry. We have a ton of them and they are the awful kind that make you kind of angry when you bite into one. Before I could warn her and tell her to take only a little nibble, she popped the entire thing in her mouth and went to chewing. I waited for her disgust, but it never came. She actually liked it, and wanted more. I was speechless. Thought she was messing with me at first.

She's getting noni next time! That's the nastiest fruit I've almost tried, as cannot get past the smell to actually taste test it.

one of the trees here, about 12y old, stunted from cold weather, and taking many scions over the about 6ft tall now, and holding several small fruits...all the flowers so far have been androgynous, i have not seen a full male flower.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia Mystery Plant ID Help Please!
« on: April 19, 2019, 08:28:04 PM »
it's probably calycina...smell the flowers, they are my favorite

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: April 17, 2019, 02:18:52 AM »
this guy is the most obsessed jabo lover ever!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A Fascination with Fatty Fruits
« on: March 10, 2019, 07:17:25 PM »
i have fruited Tucum, and i believe there is no way possible the fat content is in the pulp.

it must be in the seed embryo, the proper way to enjoy them is to let them get full sized and green, then you can split them open and eat the inside of the seed, which is similar in texture/taste to coconut.

I guess there's some shit you just can't find in a's up to some asshole like me to figure it out, and then post it here.

Maybe inside the seed is the higher fat content. A study says the pulp has a similar fat, protein and carb content to human milk putting it at 3-5% fat.

i tasted the pulp, it was all water and carbs, no oil

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A Fascination with Fatty Fruits
« on: March 10, 2019, 12:20:36 PM »
i have fruited Tucum, and i believe there is no way possible the fat content is in the pulp.

it must be in the seed embryo, the proper way to enjoy them is to let them get full sized and green, then you can split them open and eat the inside of the seed, which is similar in texture/taste to coconut.

I guess there's some shit you just can't find in a's up to some asshole like me to figure it out, and then post it here.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« on: February 23, 2019, 06:10:36 PM »
Adam, your selection is awesome! The blooms are completely wrapping the trunk. I think one of the best attributes of your selection is that itís precocity and constant flowering help to keep the size of the tree in check. This would also make a great variety for Bonsai work.


thank u Simon,

I agree, it's main attraction is constant flowering, and dwarf size (even if the tree was nonfruiting i think it would be grown by lots of people because the flowering is perpetual, and it looks crazy) grafted tree it grows much faster...still, it grows slow compared to most fruit trees, only putting on about 1.5-2ft in a good growing season...

the tree has been incredibly productive for such a small specimen, but at times it gets frustrating, because it will bloom like crazy, and have minimal fruit set, and then out of nowhere it just decides to start setting tons of fruit again...I think because I move the tree around all the time during winter, it gets separated from it's normal pollinators, and they have to rediscover it every time i move it to a new location...

the fruit so far taste much like the red, but to be honest, i never had the patience to let them get fully ripe..I always ate them a tad early because they kept getting stolen by animals, and i wanted the seeds so bad.

I guess another nice feature is the fact that they can be eaten early, like the red, and they still taste very good...but there is nothing like a fruit that has been left on the tree for a few weeks, starting to shrivel a bit, and looking dull...the sweetest thing u ever grape soda (Kyle Townsend coined that comparison, which i agree with totally)...i never got a chance to let anomaly get ripe like that....and I'm hoping to have the chance this season.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plinia trunciflora first flowering
« on: February 23, 2019, 01:31:15 PM »
i just realized we are getting close to the 7r mark since grafting, so some should definitely start to put out blooms.

I'm still waiting on mine though.

(but i did see my friend's tree that I grafted about 6y ago, start to finally flower...a small, but nice trunciflora about 4ft tall with 3inch caliper, about to bust out with flowers all over...not something u see every day)

Adam, here is a picture mine from probably from the same batch. Your nice graft can still clearly be seen. It's the same height but with only a 1.5 " caliper. I'm encouraged that I might get flowers years sooner than I thought.

Great work Josh! Let us know how they taste.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Multi-grafted Jaboticabas
« on: February 23, 2019, 01:29:47 PM »

nice trees!!

definitely blooms coming on that grimal scion you posted pics of...

looks like Grimal is also winning the race on your cocktail tree, but seems like not by much, the growth rate is pretty evenly matched...the tree looks well balanced.

thanks for sharing pics, they look super happy.

good investment that will pay dividends  ;D

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« on: February 23, 2019, 01:41:11 AM »
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