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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Funny post grafting video-buddytape
« on: June 21, 2019, 04:09:46 PM »
I stumbled across this funny video last night. You have to watch the whole thing, the credits are funny. Good use of buddytape.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Modified bark graft for Mango
« on: May 26, 2019, 07:53:38 PM »
Iíve been doing a lot of bark grafts lately and I found that the regular bark graft often leaves a large gap which takes a long time to fully heal.

Here is a typical bark graft video

When I do a bark graft like that, it is difficult for me to make the parallel cuts to the bark of the rootstock so that the cut perfectly matches the width of the scion.

Here is a Sweet Tart scion I bark grafted onto a two year old seedling using the regular bark graft as shown in the video above.

For my modified bark graft technique, I perform the graft the same as in the video except I make the the two parallel cuts wider than the width of the scion. This will ensure that the bark i peel back is wide enough to cover the entire cut ends of the scion.

After you make the oversized cut, you insert the scion and match one end of the bark flap so that it completely covers the cut end of the scion. You then take your blade and make an additional vertical cut that follows the contour of the other cut end of the scion.

By doing this, you can precisely match the bark flap to the size of the scion leaving as small a gap as possible between the bark flap and the bark from the rootstock.

Here is a picture after I made the additional cut following the contour of the scion.

Now you can tuck the extra sliver of bark next to the bark of the rootstock. If you wrap it carefully, the extra sliver you cut is hardly noticeable, especially after it heals.

Here is a double bark graft I did last year using this technique. If the rootstock is large enough, I sometimes put two or three scions onto the tree in the hopes that at least one will take. Now that Iím getting better with this technique, I will only put one or two because this technique has a high rate of success for me. The bark does have to be slipping to do bark grafts.

I couldnít decide if I wanted this branch to be Sweet Tart or Lemon Zest so I put on one of each variety. Since they both took, I will probably remove the Lemon Zest since I have several LZ trees already.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Learn to graft by volunteering
« on: May 11, 2019, 12:44:02 AM »
I was over at Leo Manuelís house today helping him top work one of his trees to Sweet Tart and I thought to myself how lucky I was to have the opportunity to practice and perfect my skills on his older Mango trees. I donít have any large mango trees yet so most my practice bark grafting larger trees comes from volunteering for my more senior friends that can either no longer graft or that donít know how to graft.

As with any specialized skill, practice makes perfect and all the practice I get helping Leo and others top working their mature trees will help enable me to graft with more confidence when my trees finally reach adulthood.

I think of it like helping your friend to build a deck or remodel a home. Thereís some sweat involved but when itís time to do your house, yard or whatever project, it will be that much easier.

It is also very rewarding to hear stories about how my senior friends lived in their younger lives. Leo used to be a commercial Abalone diver and I love the ocean and spend much of my spare time spearfishing and diving for lobsters or just fishing on my buddies boat.  Leo also used to raise Coturnix Quail and I spent several years breeding Jumbo Coturnix Quails.

Anyways, get out there and help your neighbors and friends to share the joy of gardening. You might learn something new about gardening or about your friend. You might also walk away with a basket of fruit if youíre lucky!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Root grafting mango video
« on: May 08, 2019, 11:33:24 PM »
Here is a link to a good video on grafting a young mango root onto a larger branch of a mature tree.

There are other videos out there showing grafting of multiple larger roots onto much larger trees on YouTube.

This simple technique may be useful for saving a tree with damage to its roots. It can also be useful for Bonsai or a slight modification to this technique may help with repair grafts.

Grafting Examples has some great videos out there.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Best tasting Mangos of 2019
« on: April 21, 2019, 03:49:52 PM »
To continue the annual tradition, please post about your favorite tasting mango varieties for 2019. I see that Chris from Truly Tropical has already started posting videos from this years crop. Here is a link to last years thread.

Last year, one of my favorite tasting mango varieties was Rajapuri grown in India. I purchased these at the local Indian Supermarket and they were fantastic last year. The Mangos were huge and extremely flavorful with a sweet, rich taste throughout the flesh and concentrated Piney, Indian resin flavors closer to the skin of the fruit. What made Rajapuri so exceptional was that it had an indescribable sweet umami flavor that I can only compare to the flavor of Guava.

This year, I picked up a box of Rajapuri and was surprised to see that they had 9 fruit to a box. Last year, there were only 4-6 in an oversized box. This years fruit was significantly smaller. My Mangos were sitting in a warm garage for about a week and some of the fruit started giving off a sweet mango flavor and felt slightly soft so I cut one open.

The flesh color was more yellowish and from the looks alone, I could tell it was underripe. The fruit had Brix readings between 14-16% and were definitely not in their prime of ripeness. The flavor and sweetness were sort of their but definitely not at their best. The early season Indian Mangos(grown in India) tend to be picked early and watered  down so I was not expecting much from them.

This goes to show how drastically Mangos of the same variety can taste so different when you compare early season fruit to mid or late season fruit. Hereís a couple pictures


Here is a great article I found that discusses the use of Copper as a Fungicide/Biocide. It talks about the different Copper formulations and gives the pros and cons.

Please feel free to post comments, additional articles regarding use of fungicides or personal experiences using the various Copper products out there.

I am personally considering the purchase of Magnabon CS2005 but it is extremely expensive and I am looking for an alternative that might have similar systemic activity.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / 2019 Indian Mango Season
« on: April 13, 2019, 09:11:08 PM »
A good friend just called me up and notified me that the local Indian supermarkets have their shipment of Indian Mangos in.

Here is a thread from last year.

From past experience, I know that the early Mangos are usually not in their prime but I decided to buy anyways. They had three varieties available. Alphonso was 37.99 a box, Banganpalli was 34.99 a box and Rajapuri was 34.99 a box.

I bought a box of Rajapuri. When they opened up the box, the Mangos were all green and relatively small considering that Rajapuri is a large mango that can get over a pound each.

The early Mangos are usually about 70-80% of their prime so Iím not expecting to be wowed by these fruit but Iím glad the Indian Mango season has begun


There is a thread for most reliable Mango varieties for Southern California so I decided to create a thread for least reliable Mango varieties for SoCal as well.

One of the most notorious varieties for being stingy or not fruiting at all in some years is Lemon Zest. Due to its high susceptibility fungal diseases like Powdery Mildew, flower panicles get infected and dry out. Without a spraying regimen, you will likely get low or zero yield from this variety, at least for those living In areas where temperature and humidity favor PM.

Pim Seng Mun performs really poorly on Leoís tree. Leo has a large section of PSM that has been growing well for many years but hardly ever sets fruit. This varieties flower panicles are also highly susceptible to Powdery Mildew.

Alphonso will set fruit without spraying in some years but there is very little fruit set. The fruit that is set can get spongy tissue and also jelly seed. I highly recommend against planting this variety in SoCal.

Please add any varieties that have performed poorly for you in terms of fruit set and holding fruit to maturity.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / SoCal mango flowering update
« on: March 29, 2019, 10:25:14 PM »
Here are some pictures of blooming mango trees from my friends yard in SoCal.

Sweet Tart on Manilla rootstock

Sweet Tart on Florida rootstock. The white strings in the picture are used to hold the branches upright to prevent droopiness


I want to start this thread to begin tracking the performance of the top tier Mangos varieties when grown in SoCal. Any information from growers in other Mango growing regions would be greatly appreciated. Varieties that are highly disease resistant in one mango growing region may be a good indicator that they could potentially be a good reliable producer in SoCal although we know this is not necessarily true in many instances.

I will include a few varieties that are not necessarily top tier in everyoneís ratings but some people love these varieties and they are very common in the nurseries so I will include them here.

So far, here is a short list of varieties that taste good and are reliable in SoCal: Leo 2, Peggy, Leo Z, Sweet Tart, Venus, Edward, Maha Chanok, Glenn, Kesar, Valencia Pride. There are a lot more that I canít remember right now but I just want to get this topic started.

If you are growing a good tasting variety and you notice it produces reliably for you, please post here so that we can compare it to how it performs for others in SoCal.


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Looking for Gigantea Sapodilla tree
« on: March 15, 2019, 09:28:41 PM »
Iím looking for a Gigantea Sapodilla tree. If you have one for sale and can ship, please contact me. Thanks,


Citrus General Discussion / Shiranui too large for branches
« on: January 22, 2019, 07:52:29 PM »
the Last couple of days have been pretty windy and I just got home from work and noticed that two branches of my  Shiranui(Dekopon) were snapped in half. Iíve noticed that Shiranui, like most tangerines, tend to hold too many fruit on their branches. I thought I was smart and thinned about 70% of the fruit when they were about marble size but that just made the remaining fruit bigger. My larger fruit are as big, if not bigger than the store bought Premium Dekopon fruit. My largest weighed about 1 lbs 2 Oz.

Anyone else have issues with their Shiranui grafts? The fruit were already colored up but I was hoping to let them hang a bit longer to sweeten up more. I just cut open a smaller fruit to take a Brix reading and it came in at 14% Brix.

Without curing the fruit, the flavor was good with good sweetness and an acidity similar to an Orange. I will cure some of the fruit in my garage for 1-3 weeks in order to let the citric/ascorbic acid mellow to see if flavor improves.  Here are some pictures of the fruit harvested from the branches that snapped off.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Giant Cherimoyas
« on: January 08, 2019, 07:51:19 PM »
I just found this giant Cherimoya under my tree. I put it on the scale and it weighed 2 lbs. 5 Oz. I know there are much bigger Cherimoyas out there but this is a pretty big fruit considering how much fruit I let my tree hold this year and the last couple years.

You get a better idea of how big it is with the jumbo chicken egg next to it.

I looked around the tree and found several other big Moyas in the 1.5-2.5lbs range.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Rudy #20 Cherimoya info?
« on: December 31, 2018, 03:54:40 PM »
Does anyone have info on Rudy #20 Cherimoya? I got scions from either Rudy, his son Mike or Frank. I have my first fruit to Brad and he thought it was fantastic, one of the better Moyas heís had this year.

Here are some pictures of my second and last fruit, I only had two on a small grafted branch.


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Looking for Sapodilla fruit
« on: November 11, 2018, 05:30:30 PM »
Iím looking to purchase some Sapodilla fruit. A good friend just sent me a few fruit and they were absolutely delicious and Iím craving more. If you have any fruit available for sale, please contact me.  Thanks for your time.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Todayís Harvest from the orchard
« on: October 19, 2018, 02:33:35 PM »
I have a tiny yard but it still produces a good amount of fruit. Not too long ago, I teamed up with Brad to set up a big orchard and we hope to be harvesting wheelbarrows full of fruit in the coming years.

First, here is a picture of my harvest from several years ago. I love this picture because of the diversity of fruit and contrast of colors between the different varieties of fruit.

Here is a picture of fruit harvested today. This is only fruit from today. There are still a ton of fruit that I was too lazy to pick. There is also a lot of fruit that are still ripening. I chopped up the White Jade pineapple yesterday but it would have been beautiful in the background. The bananas, guava and key limes are from Brads place.

I should have added a few stalks of San Diego Yellow and Asian Black Sugarcane but too late, I already juiced them.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Red Hybrid Jaboticaba size?
« on: September 21, 2018, 07:55:08 PM »
Just wondering how big the red Hybrid Fruit gets? I have a seedling from Oscars seeds that is producing now on a small tree and s couple of the fruit are over an inch wide. The biggest one is over 1 1/4 inches wide. Not all the fruit are this big but I assume Iíll get more and potentially larger Fruit as the tree matures. How big is your fruit?

The taste is amazing. It has a Brix of 23-24% and has excellent sugar acid balance. Here are some pictures of the fruit.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Help identifying fruit
« on: August 27, 2018, 10:47:26 PM »
Does anyone know what this is? Thanks in advance!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Any info on J-17 Mango?
« on: August 10, 2018, 07:06:20 PM »
Does anyone have any information on J-17 Mango. Thanks,


Tropical Fruit Discussion / 36-8 Mango
« on: July 22, 2018, 06:57:42 PM »
Does anyone have info on the lineage of 36-8 mango? Brad just sampled a fruit and it was one of the favorites heís tried so far. He liked it better than Orange Sherbet, E4, J12 and Creme BrŻlťe. I wasnít able to sample the 36-8 because of work but Brad described it as sweet with notes of coconut and some Indian resin with just enough acidity to balance out the sugars.

Any info about this variety is greatly appreciated.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / No Mai Tsze Lychee in Florida
« on: July 21, 2018, 11:36:59 PM »
Sulcata Grove just posted a video about the No Mai Tsze Lychee. In the video, they sample the fruit and compare it to Sweetheart. The fruit does look a lot like the No Mai Tsze I ate in Hong Kong and China except that the fruit in Asia were more filled in and rounded. The description on the growth rate of the tree also suggests it is the real NMT. Their description of it being less juicy and with a concentrated sweet flavor is also spot on.

I hope others will be able to grow and sample this variety in the near future.

Leo Manuel just notified me of these new introductions. I believe they were introduced by Maurice Kong but I am not positive. Has anyone tasted these varieties or have any information they can add.

Several people including Cielo, Kevin Foth, Bob Holtzinger,  Dr. Paulette Johnson of Tropical Fruit & Vegetable Society, Dr. Jonathan Crane at the University of Florida, Steve Pearson curator of Gifford Arboretum among others attended the special Mango tasting.

Maurice Kong introduced us to Ice Cream Mango and Po Pyu Kalay so I figure if he introduced these new varieties, they have potential.

1.    Shwe Hin Dha (Burma)

2.    Thong Lone Tda Daung Burma)

3.     Nuan Tjan (Thailand)

4.     Yai Grom  (Thailand)


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mulgova Mango
« on: July 07, 2018, 07:26:20 PM »
I just received my box of Mulgova Mangos grown in India from We are in the midst of a heatwave here in SoCal and I was very afraid that the Mangos would not last long in the extreme heat, especially when I discovered they were not shipped overnight.

When I opened up the box, I was happy to see that the Mangos were well insulated in a spongy material to prevent bruising injury. I could definitely smell the Mangos when I opened up the box but the aroma was gentle and smelled similar to a Kent mixed with Haden and I didnít detect any Indian resin smell.  When I picked up the Mangos, they were very very warm to the touch and fully ripe. One of the Mangos has a slight cut and soft spot on it so I immediately cut it open.

When I cut open the fruit, I smelled everything I described earlier plus I detected the Indian resin smell that is so popular with varieties from India. The flesh was soft and melting with a bright orange color. The flesh was super juicy and fiberless.

I was expecting this Mango to blow my mind because I saw Chrisís videos from Truly Tropical and she described it as excellent tasting but not very productive. I figured a Mango that is unproductive and huge must be pretty good to keep around. This mango is very good but this first fruit I sampled was not outstanding.

It had a slight creamy mango taste to it and the flavor profile of the center flesh( away from the skin) tasted like a combination of Kent/Haden and Banganpalli. The flesh closer to the skin tasted very much like Banganpalli with a lot more Indian Resin taste than compared to the flesh from the center. The flesh next to the skin tasted almost identical to Banganpalli.

This Mango was very well rounded in that it had excellent sweetness(Brix 22%) and a good balance of typical Tropical Mango flavor with some Indian resin mixed in. There was no detectable acidity, similar to Kent/Haden and I will try to eat one of the other fruit slightly more firm to see if there is a difference in taste.

A very good Mango but I prefer Rajapuri over this Mulgova because Rajapuri has a more complex mix of flavors. Perhaps the other fruit that arenít as over ripe will be better. Iíll report back on how the others turn out.



I am looking to purchase E4(Sugarloaf) mango seeds. If you have any seeds available, I would like to purchase them. Thanks,


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Rajapuri Mango
« on: June 29, 2018, 09:52:48 PM »
I have never even heard of this mango before so when I saw it at the Indian supermarket, I had to try it. I have a description of this mango along with pictures here

I just canít believe that I have never heard about this mango before. It is absolutely delicious, super juicy and the combination of unique flavors make it stand out from the crowd.

Is anyone growing this variety and does anyone know anything about this variety? This is definitely a variety worth growing in the US.


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