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Tropical Fruit Discussion / What kind of fruit is this?
« on: August 14, 2017, 03:44:42 PM »
My friend has this growing in her yard. Does anyone know what this is? Thanks for your help!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Shocking! Watch for yourself
« on: July 29, 2017, 12:43:04 AM »
I care about all the members of this forum and I recently watched a show called "What the health" that just shocked me. I didn't do any research on the claims of that movie but I want to bring it up for discussion here. The movie is on Netflix and I strongly urge everyone on this forum to watch and keep an open mind. Let's stay civil. I want all of us to live healthier!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / 2017 Cherimoyas
« on: July 18, 2017, 01:41:30 PM »
How's everyone's Cherimoyas doing this year? I hand pollinated and got too much fruit set so I thinned out about 70% of the fruit. This is the picture before I thinned. By keeping too much fruit, the size is much smaller and the quality decreases significantly because there is more seed and skin and less flesh. Sorry about the blurry pictures.


Here are some interesting videos from Pete Kanaris:
Part 1
Part 2

I'm interested in some of the varieties Dr. Campbell is growing.


I just saw this video regarding next generation mangos with speaker Dr. Noris Ledesma. The video was taken by Pete Kanaris. In this video, Dr. Ledesma talks about how they are trying to use lowland mangos such as Kasturi and Wani(White mango) to cross with Haden and other mangos to create a hybrid that is more genetically diverse and potentially more disease resistant.

Dr. Ledesma talks about how they are putting a cage over a Kasturi and Haden and releasing bees for cross pollination. She mentions that the Kasturi has a waxy coating on the fruit that resists Anthracnose and potentially other diseases.

I can't put into words how much respect I have for Dr. Noris Ledesma, Dr. Richard Campbell and others out there that are pushing the boundaries in regards to cultivation and the future of mangos. The incorporation of new genetics may add new flavor profiles that have never been tasted before. The smell, taste, color and texture may be something new and exciting for us to look forward to in the near future.

I'm really hoping that her team will be able to come up with a rootstock that has high resistance to, especially fungal diseases such as Anthracnose and Powdery Mildew so we can decrease or altogether eliminate the need for fungicides.

Here's the video:


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Looking for Josapine Pineapple
« on: June 24, 2017, 01:36:24 PM »
Hello everyone, I'm looking for Josapine Pineapple plants to buy. I need shipping to San Diego. I've searched online for a long time but can't find anywhere that sells this variety. Thanks,


A friend from this forum recently notified me that there were some Asian mangos available at Lucky Seafood so I went there and picked some up. My friend said they could potentially be Kook Lom Krong but I know very little about Asian mangos so I have no idea what it is. 4 fruit were $6.99

Today, I stopped by Vinh Hung in Mira Mesa and they sold these same mangos in cases for $26/case.

I spoke to an Asian lady there and she said these mangos are sweet even when they are green and crunchy so I decided to purchase a case.

The 4 pack I bought from Lucky Seafood is blushing with a bit of yellow so I decided to cut one open so that I can sample these at different stages of ripeness. This one I cut open is just starting to turn soft so it is not in the crunchy phase anymore. The flesh gave little juice in this stage and it had a Brix of 19%! The flesh was sweet and tasted a bit like a sweet green apple and was very enjoyable. I think this mango will be excellent if prepared in the southeast Asian tradition with a bit of fish sauce or shrimp/crab paste and some chilly peppers and eaten chilled on a hot day.

The most exciting thing is that these were grown in Mexico so they were hot water treated and not irradiated. This variety is polyembryonic so it is a candidate for my seedling experiments.

Can anyone confirm the identity of this new commercial variety?


I am looking for top tier polyembryonic mango fruit and seeds. I'm especially interested in the following varieties Po Pyu Kalay, Lemon Zest, Sweet Tart, Coconut Cream, CAC and Orange Sherbet. I plan on growing these seeds in my friends and neighbors yards. I will not be charging them, I want to be like the Johnny Appleseed of the West except I will be planting Mango trees in people's yards.

Hopefully the seedlings will produce good fruit but if they don't, I will top work the trees once they are larger. I will gladly pay for the fruit/seeds, shipping and for your time. I live in San Diego. Thanks in advance!


A good friend of mine, realizing I get lazy and often skip fertilization schedules, recommended that I purchase a temperature controlled release fertilizer. He has friends in the Ag industry and said that the Temperature controlled release fertilizers are much better than the other slow release types that are based off of moisture alone because there is less waste and the plants get more nutrients when it is hot when they are more metabolically active and get very little fertilizer release when temps are cold and the plants are dormant. He especially recommended I try it on my potted plants as frequent watering can wash away much of the regular fertilizers.

He said that Nutricote was something that's readily available online and Mark in Texas recommended Polyon. There wasn't a Polyon distributor near me and they had so many formulations, it was difficult to navigate their site so I decided to go with Nutricote. The Nutricote was very expensive to buy in small amounts from EBay and Amazon, around $10/lbs. I finally found a company that sold it in bulk but it was sold under the name Florikan out of Florida. This product uses Nutricote, it looks like the exact same thing except this product says two stage. I got the 18-6-8 formulation with Micros in the 180 day but they sent me the 270 day, I'm not complaining. Here are some pictures from the bag I received.

Anyone here use this relatively new technology in their fertilizer regime? I will be using these in my raised beds and pots. I still have issues with my ultra high pH soil for my in ground trees so I will need to lower the pH of the soil with Sulfur as I have been doing, for this fertilizer to really be effective for my in ground trees. One application should last my lazy butt a whole year but I plan on using reduced rates(VS the recommended application rates) so that I can drench with non controlled release fertilizers during growth spurts when I know my plants definitely need more nutrients.

Anybody have suggestion? Thanks,


I visited Leo Manuel last week and was pretty surprised to see he had some Maha Chanok mangos nearly ripe. I've also noticed on my own small tree that I get a very extended season with this variety. One year I had two crops, the later crop ripening in Winter. The fruit is good, I would consider it second tier, but this tree is worth having because of its extended season, beautiful shape and color of the fruit, wonderful aroma and relative disease resistance.

I did not look to see if any other varieties were ripening but I'll check on the next visit.

Maha Chanok


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mothers Day coming up
« on: May 12, 2017, 05:36:08 PM »
Just a reminder for everyone on the forum to give mom a call and tell her how special she is to you. For about the last twenty years, I've been giving my mom an orchid arrangement that I put together myself. My mom loves the beauty of orchids and takes pride because I hand select each orchid to ensure the color scheme works together as a whole. My wife loves these arrangements as well and my daughters love helping me pick out the individual plants.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / What kind of pineapple is this?
« on: May 11, 2017, 11:26:30 AM »
Anyone know what variety of pineapple this could be? I got it from Home Depotand it did not have a variety name on it. Most the longer outer leaves are thornless but some of the inner leaves are serrated.


Here in Southern California our Lychees should be starting to set fruit and some growers in warmer locations may have fruit that are already approaching pea size. This study shows that application of granular fertilizer at the pea sized fruit stage will promote fruit growth and good size. This study focused specifically on the cultivar Kaimana when grown at a specific location but there are other articles I read that came to a similar conclusion.

I'll use this thread to post various articles regarding various techniques used around the world to help increase production and quality of Lychees.

PGRs and chemicals


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Kauai White Sugarloaf Pineapples
« on: May 02, 2017, 05:08:58 PM »
About 2 weeks ago, I ordered some Kauai White Sugarloaf pineapples from this site

It was extremely easy to use the site and the best thing is that they can actually ship the fruit to your door. Jude seems to be a very friendly person from her videos and appears to have a passion for growing these fruit.

From what I've been able to gather on the internet, the pineapples are sweetest when they are grown in the heat so these early pineapples can probably get much sweeter if harvested later in the year.

The pineapples are quite expensive but for us fruit snobs, I'm sure there will be more than a few of us out here that feel it is worth the price. I think about it this way, by ordering the fruit, I can sample for myself how good or bad the quality is before I spend 2-3 years attempting to grow the fruit.

Also, for those of us growing the White Jade Pineapple, I think it was Fang, mentioned that the White Jade is a White Sugarloaf that was selected for not having sharp spines. By ordering this fruit, I'm basically able to sample the White Jade without having to wait 2-3 years.

I have not cut into the fruit yet, I'm going to try to wait until my wife and kids get home, but I'll definitely post some pictures, give a taste report and a Brix reading.

Here's a video of the farm and pineapples in the field
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Here are some pictures of the fruit. I believe they intentionally ship the fruit upside down so that the bottom of the fruit does not get damaged. The top leafy portion got a bit squashed but they are still perfectly fine as planting material.

I just visited Leo Manuel and he told me that he had fruit from a seedling loquat, seeds obtained from Maurice Kong. The fruit were huge so it immediately grabbed my interest but Leo also mentioned they were a bit tart. I took some pictures of the fruit still on the tree and also a few pictures after I cut them off. The largest fruit were slightly larger than a large chicken egg. I only sampled one fruit so far and it only had a Brix of 11% but it had pretty good sugar acid balance. IIRC, Leo said it's only the first or second year it produced fruit so the quality may increase as the tree matures. Leo did not thin the fruit in order to get them to this size so I would assume they can get a bit larger if they were thinned properly. This fruit has excellent flesh to seed ratio with this good sized fruit having only two fully formed seeds.


A while back, Lemon Zest scions were sent around the world(IIRC) and I was wondering how the trees are performing and if anyone has harvested fruit from their grafted trees yet? Does anyone in Australia have a producing tree? If so, what do you think of the flavor and quality of the fruit?

I'm interested to hear about the growth habit, susceptiblity to disease and especially eating qualities of this variety when grown in different countries.

I'm a big fan of this mango but it is very prone to Powdery Mildew in my climate when grown on Turpentine rootstock but it seems to perform much better for me when grown on Manilla rootstock. Others like Gary in Palm springs has a Turpentine rootstock tree that grows great and does not seem to be affected with Powdery Mildew in his hot arid climate. It is one of my favorite mango and I'm wondering if our friends around the world have had the pleasure of tasting this fantastic top tier fruit yet?

I still remember the first time I tasted my first Lemon Zest and that moment will be forever etched into my mind. I couldn't believe a mango could taste this good! It was so sweet and citrusy with a perfect melting texture, truely a perfect(tasting) mango.

The first fruits off my tree were horribly bland and I was so disappointed but the later ripening fruit were absolutely fantastic. If the first fruits off your tree are bland, give it some time, often the first couple years of fruit can be a bit bland from what I've heard.

My hat goes goes off to the Zills family for creating these wonderful new varieties. I can't wait to see what new creations they will come up with in the coming years. I have yet to taste Orange Sherbet, Phoenix, Cotton Candy and many other new Zills creations but if Lemon Zest is any indication, we are in for a sweet and tasty, probably subacid, treat!!! 


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Crazy flowering on Pomegranate
« on: April 19, 2017, 08:34:59 PM »
My pomegranate tree is going crazy with blooms this year. I got lots of fruit last year and had some huge clusters of fruit, something like 6 fruit on a single branch but this year, the flower clusters are even larger although the fruit have not set yet. One of the larger flower clusters have 26 flowers on a single branch.

I have heavy clay soil which is horrible for most my trees but my Pomegranates seem to thrive on it. This is an Angel Red tree with Parfianka, Desertenyi and Fleishman grafted onto it.


I recently made some Lemoncello with the Meyer lemons I grew and want to make other kinds of cello. I'm growing Gold Nugget Tangerine and Tango and will try to use their Zest for some cello but is there a type of citrus with an especially wonderful smelling Zest or oil that might taste good? I'm thinking Calamansi but the fruit are so small. I also remember Rangpur lime had an amazing smell and taste. Any others I should consider? Thanks!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Pineapple plants at Home Depot
« on: April 09, 2017, 08:11:52 PM »
I just stopped by Home Depot in San Diego and saw that they have Pineapple plants for $25. The plants already have a small fruit on it that is starting to change color so the fruit probably won't grow much. I purchased one to see how it will taste. I'm not sure if it's a white or yellow variety and there are a bit of thorns on some of the leaves.


Hello everyone,

I'm looking for a large Sweetheart Lychee tree to purchase here in SoCal. It's difficult for me to drive around the nurseries looking for trees with my two young daughters and I don't want to call up the nurseries because I'm looking for a tree with decent shape and many of the nurseries around here simply want to unload their trees. I'm looking for a large tree if possible, I can rent a truck to drive it home if need be. I know there are many members here that frequent the nurseries so if you happen upon a nice large Sweetheart, please let me know. Thanks in advance!


I was absolutely wowed when I saw the Japanese style of ultra low pruned and espalied Mango and Avocado trees. I have a tiny yard with horrible heavy clay soil filled with rocks so I decided that I will attempt to create a few similarly shaped trees with different types of rootstocks. Just to get you excited, here is my inspiration.

I will have a smaller footprint as I don't want my trees to get as large as the one in the picture and I will also have four different trees of various rootstocks to pack into my side yard that is only about 4-5 feet wide. I will have to trellis and tie down growth and my aim is to grow these in a flat plane.

As far as development of the trunk and branching, I will follow the direction from mr John Yoshimi Yonemoto from the Japan Tropical Fruit Association.

These articles have been posted numerous times in multiple threads and I give a big thanks to those that originally found the article, I don't remember whom it was.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Sweetest pineapple?
« on: April 01, 2017, 01:38:50 PM »
Does anyone know what variety of pineapple has the highest Brix? From the Googling around, looks like Meli Kalima is the sweetest with a Brix around 28% in the Summer and closer to 21% in the Winter. Unfortunately, this variety Is patented and is sold with the top cut off very low so that the crown will not grow.

Does anyone know of other, ultra high Brix Pineapples? I'm looking for something I can potentially cross with my White Jade pineapples.

Does anyone know how high of a Brix the Eleuthera pineapples can get?

Anyone have suggestions what might be a good cross with the White Jade to produce an ultra sweet Pineapple?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Best product for Phomopsis?
« on: March 28, 2017, 11:20:43 AM »
Hello everyone,

I've been paying really close attention to my trees, and others, over the last several years and I'm starting to notice that we have a lot more fungal issues with Mango than I originally thought. The minor issues with powdery mildew and Anthracnose on fruit is no biggie but we seriously have an issue with Phomopsis.

The only real way to confirm you have Phomopsis is to send out samples to a lab, I used to run such samples but not anymore, but I have not sent out any samples so I'm only speculating. But, I do have a friend that did send out samples and it was confirmed as Phomopsis. I just want to mention that I've been doing a lot of reading on Mango diseases and there are many, many different types of fungal issues that can plague our trees, Phomopsis is just one that I know is confirmed.

In reality, what affects our trees specifically here in SoCal can be any number of fungal or bacterial diseases but from observations from many different orchards around the San Diego area, it is safe to say that many of our sick trees are affected with a type of fungal disease.

I was wondering what the latest consensus is as to the best treatment for fungal diseases, especially for Phomopsis.  I've already searched the forum and read all the threads by Cookie Monster, Mark and others but I'm looking for the best latest information. Things may have changed in half a year.

I know Mark in Texas was an advocate for Phyton35 and others have recommended Abound. I want to find something that is effective that anyone from this forum can just order off the internet. If it is a available in small quantities, even better.

The fungal diseases appear to be affecting smaller trees much more than larger fully established trees. I still believe that sharpshooters are the major vector for disease around much of SoCal.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
« on: March 19, 2017, 05:41:05 PM »
I'm a big fan of Indian Mangos and every year I eagerly wait for the announcement I get through email that Indian Mango season is almost upon us. According to the email I received, it should begin in about three weeks or around the week of April 11. The email said that the mangos are expected to ripen a week or two early this year. It also mentioned that there will be 3 US inspectors visiting India and Bangalore is a new province where Mangos will be harvested and shipped from.

There will be the usual suspects like Alphonso, Kesar, Chaunsa, White Chaunsa, Neelam, Mallika, Imam Passand, Langra, Dussehri, Ratol, Banganpalli along with some varieties I've yet to try like Rasalu, Sindhri Mancurad, Ratte Wala, Totapurri and Mulgova.

I believe I have read that reports out of Florida that Mulgova is an excellent tasting mango and I have definitely heard from my Indian friends that it is in fact a very excellent tasting fruit so hopefully the shipments will not disappoint.

Last year, the shipments of Kesar were absolutely amazing. The physical appearance of the fruit were blemish free and the internal qualities matched its appearance. Kesar was THE BEST Indian Mango last year in my opinion. It easily beat out Alphonso which was good but had internal breakdown issues and was not as sweet as the Kesar. The Alphonso may be one point higher than Kesar when comparing pure Indian Resin, Turpentine, flavor but Kesar wins out for overall taste.

The Kesars last year were in a league of its own with an excellent acid balance. Actually, it's not really acid balance as it was not Tart at all but there was something definitely there that the Alphonso did not have.

If you see Indian Mangos in the markets, please post here to notify the rest of us Indian Mango fanatics and please post pictures and flavor descriptions if possible. The Indian Mangos are supposed to start shipping in about three weeks but this is only if you pre ordered through one of the companies. For many of us waiting for Indian Mangos to show up in the local Indian Supermarkets, it can be a long ways off before we can satisfy our craving.


I get lots of questions regarding how best to plant a Mango tree here in SoCal so I decided to start this thread. I should first qualify, or disqualify, myself as I am a relatively new mango grower and my trees are not the largest nor healthiest. I'm a typical lazy backyard gardener, often putting my daughters before my plants so my trees rarely get fertilizer these days and it's probably been over a year since I adjusted the pH of the rootzone with phosphoric acid and Sulfur.

A serious gardener will send out soil samples for analysis and this thread is not for the serious mango grower. This thread will be very general without any advanced techniques or equipment. This is the "Keep It Simple Stupid" technique using easy to find rootstock and some experience I've gained from mentors like Leo Manuel, Jim Neitzel and many others.

I've been killing mango trees for years so listen to my advice with a grain of salt but I am quite knowledgeable about the science of growing mango trees. First of all, when someone tells you what or how to do something, there should be a reason why. If that person is not giving an explanation why they do it that way or has some proof that the technique works, you may want to look elsewhere for advice.

I'll have to continue this subject in short segments as my kids keep me extremely busy.


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