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All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« on: April 01, 2018, 01:44:18 AM »
I ve got some great huge Atrocarpus hirstus trees here, this one is the smallest among all of them. Usually they found only in Kerala, South India.. The tree grows huge, pretty fast.. fruits are very delicious, with a nice aroma. The wood is very hard and used for house construction purpose. Here are some pictures...






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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2018, 02:01:08 AM »
How cold does this tree get in it's range?

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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2018, 07:04:55 AM »
achetadomestica, basically this tree prefers hot climate, it may not do well below ten degree C.... but the tree is very tough, it can recover easily from a very short period of cold..

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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2018, 11:48:26 AM »
beautiful fruits, could get some more pictures of the plants, seedling too if possible. i think we have some young trees growing on big island but havent fruited yet

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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2018, 05:35:55 PM »
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Looks like this picture taken 8 meters in the air. You have good climbing skills  ;D

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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2018, 08:30:13 AM »
ben mango, here is a pic of the tree from the bottom..


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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2018, 10:06:26 AM »
Cool thanks

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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2018, 04:51:26 AM »
Is this tree cultivated on any farms in India or only collected from the wild?
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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2018, 06:51:01 AM »
From photos of it, it looks surprisingly productive for a wild tree.  Any clue how old / big they are when they start fruiting?  How would you compare the fruit to a jackfruit?  I assume both male and female flowers on the same tree, not a strong smell from them or the plant, just the fruit?

You're in Kerala, so I assume it's likes not just a hot climate, but in particular a hot humid one?  Do you think it requires a dry season?  Given that it's fruiting now, I presume that it flowers during the wet periods and the fruit matures during the dry season?  Is it humid in the dry season as well, or just the wet season?  I see that rainfall in Kochi bottoms out at 23mm (0,917") in January and peaks at 705mm (27,79") in June. There's four months (Dec-Mar) less than or equal to below 42mm (1,7") but five months (May-Oct) greater than or equal to 282mm (11,1").  So a pretty pronounced monsoon.  I imagine the tree has a deep taproot.

Looks like the record low in Kochi is 16,3C (61,3F), so yeah, I seriously doubt this plant can take cold  :)  But your record high is only 36,4C (97,5F), so it clearly doesn't need excessive heat either.  Looks like year-round your lows average 22-26C (72-79F) and your highs average 29-33C (84-92F).  A very, very maritime climate.

Hmm, these numbers are from Kochi, but I see there's mountains in Kerala.  Is it toward the coast or up in the mountains?  By contrast, the stats for Munnar (1450-2,695m):

Record low: -4C (25F), Sevenmallay region  (Wow, really?  I can just imagine the ads: "Ski Kerala!"  ;) )
Average yearly low: 5C (41F)
Average daily low: 12,9-17,3C (55-63F)
Average daily high: 22,4-25,6C (72-78F)
Driest month average rainfall: Jan, 18mm (0,71")
Wettest month average rainfall: Jul, 583mm (22,95")

So, significantly cooler than the coast, and drier.  I guess it matters a lot where they're growing!  Let's see what Useful Tropical Plants has to say:

"A plant of the tropics, where it is found at elevations up to 1,300 metres. It grows best in areas where annual daytime temperatures are within the range 22 - 32c, but can tolerate 16 - 38c. It prefers a mean annual rainfall in the range 2,500 - 3,500mm, but tolerates 1,700 - 4,500mm. Older plants succeed in full sun or moderate shade, but younger trees require reasonable levels of shade. Succeeds in most soils, preferably well-drained. Prefers a pH in the range 5 - 6.5, tolerating 4.5 - 7.5. A fast growing tree. Trees do not coppice well, but produce abundant root suckers. The tree has a deep taproot"

Up to 50m tall, with a bole up to 1,5m diameter.  Quite an impressive tree!  Given that it can grow at altitudes up to 1300m, I'd expect it could take lower than 16C without damage.  The estimate of 10C sounds spot on given the climate.
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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2018, 08:39:39 AM »
Oscar, the trees are never cultivated. All trees have sprouted from seeds dropped by squirrels and monkeys. You  find them along the roads, in 'sacred groves' and in the jungles. I have a few in my farm, but all are sour!!

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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2018, 11:48:06 AM »
KarenRei , i would say u ve studied in depth about Kerala...all of ur observations are absolutely perfect...we ve rainy season here from June to november, and dry season from December to May..Usually the wild jack tree flowers in the end of rainy season and fruit matures from March onwards..the tree has a very strong tap root, it grows very tall..such people who dosent have climbing skill, can't enjoy the fruit.I am not agreeing with what  Chandramohan has said about SOUR...actually i ve tasted wild jack fruit from around hundred trees in my life but never tasted a sour one... they are absolutely sweet to me..
and Mr  Chandramohan ,grafted plants of wild jack are now available , sold by Home grown nursery, so it is cultivated now a days...

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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2018, 12:59:39 PM »
I did not say all wild jack trees produce sour fruits!! I only said my trees all produce sour fruits!! In my childhood I have eaten very sweet ones.

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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2019, 03:30:47 PM »
I finally had a chance to eat Atrocarpus hirstus and it was a massive disappointment  :'(





The edible proportion is so thin, I mean like paper thin  :-X.

Edible part vs seed (squeezed)  :o




« Last Edit: April 06, 2019, 04:13:08 PM by EvilFruit »
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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2019, 08:30:33 PM »
I recently acquired this and some Pedelai seeds, and when I came back after vacation I found something doing well but not sure which one it is.  Would you mind taking some pictures of any young leaves for me?  Maybe some saplings growing nearby?

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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2019, 10:49:42 PM »
yes, i will do... ;)

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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2019, 08:32:01 AM »
Moh'd, why disappointment, because of the taste or the lack of flesh?
Where did you get to try it?

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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2019, 11:12:22 AM »
EvilFruit, the fruit u ve got is over ripe and a poor variety too...

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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2019, 03:48:29 PM »
Moh'd, why disappointment, because of the taste or the lack of flesh?

Felipe, the lack of flesh is the biggest disappointment, imo. The taste was sour, nothing special. There might be better specimen of Wild jackfruit in Kerala that contain higher edible percentage than the ones I have.   As Ajesh mentioned in his post mine could be from an inferior type.

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Where did you get to try it?

I got them from The Jackfruit Festival (large supermarket)  :P. Every year we get a chance/event to try different types of fruits from all over the world. We have Jackfruit Festival, mango Festival, Thai Fruit Festival, Malaysian fruit Festival, etc.

https://www.facebook.com/clubfmuae/videos/rj-shruthy-live-from-jack-fruit-festival-at-lulu/2372850446280077/

Unfortunately, this year I did not see any cempedak but got a chance to try different types of jackfruit and the only type that got my attention was Thamara jackfruit aka Lotus jackfruit from Kerala. The fruit was a little bit overripe but I really really liked it.

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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2019, 04:45:18 AM »
sahai1, here are the pictures... Leaves are almost like Marang..




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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2019, 04:02:39 PM »
thank you!  I guess I'll have to wait for some of the larger leaves to come out, still have the oval leaves only, and mine seem much lighter in color, but possibly from the sun.  Also my leaves seem much 'cleaner', while the leaves on yours seem almost sharp or hairy at the edges.

thanks again.

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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2019, 05:00:22 AM »
Pedalai leaves much larger than leaves of wild jackfruit. Pedalai leaves get giant sized, as does the tree.
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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2019, 03:15:22 PM »

I got them from The Jackfruit Festival (large supermarket)  :P. Every year we get a chance/event to try different types of fruits from all over the world. We have Jackfruit Festival, mango Festival, Thai Fruit Festival, Malaysian fruit Festival, etc.

Jackfruit Festival in Dubai?! Cool...  ::)

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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2019, 04:24:02 PM »
Pedalai leaves much larger than leaves of wild jackfruit. Pedalai leaves get giant sized, as does the tree.

thanks I'll look for that, for now none of the 'fancy' leaves have come out, the sapling has about 10 leaves all oval.

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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2019, 05:10:26 PM »
Can anyone confirm if my tree is really hirsutus? It looks a lot like kwai muk...













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Re: All about Wild jack, Atrocarpus hirstus...
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2019, 11:08:16 AM »
Felipe , it is not hirstus... :-\

 

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