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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #50 on: August 14, 2020, 01:58:57 PM »
I just want to post a quick update on my John Painter Cherilata since several members asked about it. These are very young grafts from this year and the size of the leaves is very dependent on the vigor of the rootstock.

Here are a few pictures of the leaves. The smaller leaves are from a low vigor rootstock and look more narrow. The larger leaves are grafts onto a vigorous rootstock.
 



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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #51 on: August 14, 2020, 02:03:30 PM »
The leaves are the same shape but the larger leaves are obviously much larger. Here is a picture of the flower.


And a fruit pollinated with mixed cherimoya pollen


Here is a John Painter red Cherilata flower/fruit that was pollinated with Dr. White Pollen

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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #52 on: August 14, 2020, 02:16:22 PM »
Nice Simon! Good luck

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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #53 on: August 14, 2020, 07:25:55 PM »
Great update Simon. Look at my Cherilata leave are almost identical





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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #54 on: September 28, 2020, 09:02:03 AM »
I wanted to give an update on my Cherilata











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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #55 on: September 28, 2020, 09:15:45 AM »
Your tree grew a lot, Harley!
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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #56 on: September 28, 2020, 09:27:06 AM »


Cross that with this and we could be getting some eye popping fruit.

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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #57 on: September 28, 2020, 09:44:54 AM »
https://www.horticulture.com.au/globalassets/laserfiche/assets/project-reports/cu11000/cu11000-final-report-complete-2.pdf
In the breeding for new reds such as the pictured MRS 649-1 at Marroochy, PP atemoya was crossed with a red sugar apple/atemoya hybrid rather than red reticulatas on the grounds of taste. The breeding of new Annonas is quite advanced at this research station and have a look at the attached report. No cherilatas were bred at all as there was a strong commercial focus. Still they won't release all the new types.

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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #58 on: December 10, 2020, 08:46:01 PM »
Nice picture--- reminds me of my favorite temoylata, the 4--5: 'Priestley' atemoya  X 'Fairchild Purple' Annona reticulata.

Which cherimoya variety was the seed parent?
har what are alll the annona hybrids to your knowledge?
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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #59 on: January 01, 2021, 02:06:51 PM »
those fruits look better than what i had the other day, but i thought this could have been a cherilata as well.  not as sweet as a good cherimoya though
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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #60 on: January 01, 2021, 05:34:21 PM »
I bet Har has stated multiple times. Forum search dat.
Nice picture--- reminds me of my favorite temoylata, the 4--5: 'Priestley' atemoya  X 'Fairchild Purple' Annona reticulata.

Which cherimoya variety was the seed parent?
har what are alll the annona hybrids to your knowledge?

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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #61 on: January 02, 2021, 11:19:47 PM »
I bet Har has stated multiple times. Forum search dat.
Nice picture--- reminds me of my favorite temoylata, the 4--5: 'Priestley' atemoya  X 'Fairchild Purple' Annona reticulata.

Which cherimoya variety was the seed parent?
har what are alll the annona hybrids to your knowledge?
Sorry I canít find anything....
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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #62 on: January 14, 2021, 06:33:04 PM »









Picked my first and only cherilata this year today, ripe off the tree, stem pulled right out. I havenít had ever single atemoya, custard apple, cherimoya, or sugar apple, but of the ones Iíve eaten this is top notch. Seedy is the one draw back, but texture is firm to chewy, low grit, flavor has some tart and phenolic resin note, while mostly berry upfront. The flesh color beautiful. Seems since this is a reticulata x cherimoya a more apt name might be ďberries n creamĒ vs cherilata .....but thatís up to the breeder...,,my hats off to your mr painter.


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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #63 on: January 14, 2021, 07:21:24 PM »
Looks tasty!Usually low seed count did you hand pollinate?

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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #64 on: January 14, 2021, 07:54:23 PM »
Looks delicious. From the cut up pix, seeds count looks Ok to me even with this small specimen. For me, it's the seed to flesh ratio that counts not the seeds count by itsef.
Also, cherilata is a type, not a name.

Congrats!!!

Note: Maybe the breeder, Shot, should now give it a name?
« Last Edit: January 14, 2021, 07:58:26 PM by kh0110 »
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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #65 on: January 14, 2021, 08:53:24 PM »
Yes I did hand pollinate, Iím not sure which pollen actually hit though because it was whatever I had at the time between sugar apple, Fernandez reticulata, dream atemoya, or itís own from other flowers on the tree. Itís still a young lanky tree so just getting the one fruit I am very happy to try looking forward to a hard pruning before spring to get some lateral branching going. Iím glad to have two trees in ground now, more flowers, more pollen to play around with crossing things this year. 

One thing I want to expound upon, is the ďphenolicĒ flavor that the reticulata parent imparts. I first read about this from reading the Australian custard apple breeding report. It is generally that flavor that you canít totally put your finger on but is present in reticulatas, and itís mostly not good. I attached a screen shot below on this distinction. In the case of the cherilata it is like a how ďresinĒ profile is to a mango. In some mangos you have this flavor almost like gasoline you get in a super julie or o-15, even super Alphonso that by itself would be nasty but when mixed in with sweet and some tartness it creates a pleasantly complex eating experience. Like tannin is to wine. In the cherilata I got that same experience.

Iím really excited because Iíve been collecting and planting a good amount of annonas last year in hopes that this season Iíll be able to run some interesting controlled crosses and this cherilata, has opened up new genetic avenues of flavor potential.




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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #66 on: January 14, 2021, 09:06:12 PM »










We are proud to call John our mentor and our close friend. Through breeding this fruit and developing his experimental grove he has inspired a new generation of fruit breeders. Josh Starry is correct in saying that this cultivar will spread far and wide. It already has spread across the USA thanks to John's generosity. It truly is a world class fruit created by a world class human being. As our propagation side of the organization rolls out these trees, we're calling it 'Painter.'
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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #67 on: January 14, 2021, 10:34:10 PM »










We are proud to call John our mentor and our close friend. Through breeding this fruit and developing his experimental grove he has inspired a new generation of fruit breeders. Josh Starry is correct in saying that this cultivar will spread far and wide. It already has spread across the USA thanks to John's generosity. It truly is a world class fruit created by a world class human being. As our propagation side of the organization rolls out these trees, we're calling it 'Painter.'
Be fruitful always,
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I had to do a double take when I looked at the pictures and realized that the trees were growing with their roots entirely submerged. They are obviously on pond apple rootstock. I will be very interested to hear if they have long term compatibility.

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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #68 on: January 15, 2021, 05:37:57 PM »
I have one on a pond apple and it seems to do well on that root stock.  It is early yet, I only grafted it last year. 

The interesting thing is it has kept all its leaves so far.  Most other anonas in my yard are fully defoliated or hanging on to a couple of sorry looking leaves. 

It has been harsh fall and winter with may of what looked like successful atemoya grafts through most of last year, looking like dry twigs with not a leaf left on them.  I hope they come back next spring but it doubt it.

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Re: Cherilata taste test.
« Reply #69 on: January 15, 2021, 06:14:55 PM »
I have one on a pond apple and it seems to do well on that root stock.  It is early yet, I only grafted it last year. 

The interesting thing is it has kept all its leaves so far.  Most other anonas in my yard are fully defoliated or hanging on to a couple of sorry looking leaves. 

It has been harsh fall and winter with may of what looked like successful atemoya grafts through most of last year, looking like dry twigs with not a leaf left on them.  I hope they come back next spring but it doubt it.

Thanks, that is really good to know. The info I got from Australia seems to indicate that incompatibility starts to show up after 4-5 years with Cherymoya. Maybe this will be a better match.

 

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