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Cocos nucifera Growing in Madeira...
« on: April 15, 2012, 02:29:04 PM »
Hi to all :),

The Coconut palm grows well here and flower! :) But, they do not set fruit :( :( :( the Coconut plam is planted in several locations along the southern coast of the Island from Santa cruz, Funchal, Madalena do mar and Ponta do sol!











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Re: Cocos nucifera Growing in Madeira...
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2012, 02:33:34 PM »
Lack of pollinators?
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Re: Cocos nucifera Growing in Madeira...
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2012, 02:43:41 PM »
Lack of pollinators?

Lack of pollinators is not an issue here!

What I have observed is that the Coconut Inflorescence does not fully develop on these palms, it will grow about 5-10in and suddenly stop to grow!
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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2012, 03:15:13 PM »
Lack of pollinators?

Lack of pollinators is not an issue here!

What I have observed is that the Coconut Inflorescence does not fully develop on these palms, it will grow about 5-10in and suddenly stop to grow!

Sounds like lack of humidity would be my guess.
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Re: Cocos nucifera Growing in Madeira...
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2012, 03:36:32 PM »
Hi nullzero,

Yes, Humidity is very important! You nailed it ;D ;D ;D

Maybe, in the world of the nuciferas...There might be a cold tolerant variety out there!
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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2012, 03:54:03 PM »
Hi nullzero,

Yes, Humidity is very important! You nailed it ;D ;D ;D

Maybe, in the world of the nuciferas...There might be a cold tolerant variety out there!

If it did set some coconuts, it would lack moisture. Would probably be dry pulp inside most likely.
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Re: Cocos nucifera Growing in Madeira...
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2012, 04:22:55 PM »
Hi nullzero,

Yes, Humidity is very important! You nailed it ;D ;D ;D

Maybe, in the world of the nuciferas...There might be a cold tolerant variety out there!

If it did set some coconuts, it would lack moisture. Would probably be dry pulp inside most likely.

I have never seen coco fruits on them! :( But, I will take you work for it!!!
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Re: Cocos nucifera Growing in Madeira...
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2012, 02:47:37 AM »
Hi nullzero,

Yes, Humidity is very important! You nailed it ;D ;D ;D

Maybe, in the world of the nuciferas...There might be a cold tolerant variety out there!

Those coconut trees look very unhappy. I think it's probably a combination of too low temperatures and also lack of humidity. My guess is that the first is more important, and that if you planted a tree with a heating element to warm the soil during winters you could get them to fruit.
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Re: Cocos nucifera Growing in Madeira...
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2012, 05:49:49 AM »
Hi nullzero,

Yes, Humidity is very important! You nailed it ;D ;D ;D

Maybe, in the world of the nuciferas...There might be a cold tolerant variety out there!


Those coconut trees look very unhappy. I think it's probably a combination of too low temperatures and also lack of humidity. My guess is that the first is more important, and that if you planted a tree with a heating element to warm the soil during winters you could get them to fruit.


Oscar,
They sure do :(

I was thinking of a low cost heating element...In Azores the people there made a ingenious method to cultivate grapes! They build walls of black(probably lava)rocks to keep the temperature warm at night and during winter in those rock walled enclosures! As you know...dark rocks will absorb the heat of the sun and the heat will be released during the night, thus increasing the temp in few degrees!

So, If you take the same idea and doing it with dwarf coconut palm! I'm sure they will thrive and produce! Which will be a dream come true :)   






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Re: Cocos nucifera Growing in Madeira...
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2012, 06:05:02 AM »
That kind of lava rock wall enclosures is traditionally used here to raise pigs and to keep them out of the garden.
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Re: Cocos nucifera Growing in Madeira...
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2012, 08:26:15 AM »
Men, you don't know how envious i am!
Cocos here are plain impossible, with maybe 4-5 months/year of suitable climate. I have heard (and seen some picture) of maibe 1-2 people growing them in pot, and i find it an outstanding accomplishment. But the word "growing" is an overstatement: they barely survive. Indoor the air is too dry (and too cold, even indoor, with 16-20C). Outdoor, is wet and cold. And aside from this, cocos become very big. I love unripe coconuts, but they will always be a rare treat for me.
Anyway, some time ago i found on palmtalk a thread speaking about growing cocos in a unsuitable environment. Here you are, maybe you can get some suggestions:
http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=27766&st=0
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Re: Cocos nucifera Growing in Madeira...
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2012, 01:32:35 PM »
Men, you don't know how envious i am!
Cocos here are plain impossible, with maybe 4-5 months/year of suitable climate. I have heard (and seen some picture) of maibe 1-2 people growing them in pot, and i find it an outstanding accomplishment. But the word "growing" is an overstatement: they barely survive. Indoor the air is too dry (and too cold, even indoor, with 16-20C). Outdoor, is wet and cold. And aside from this, cocos become very big. I love unripe coconuts, but they will always be a rare treat for me.
Anyway, some time ago i found on palmtalk a thread speaking about growing cocos in a unsuitable environment. Here you are, maybe you can get some suggestions:
http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=27766&st=0
Be quick before Rhynchophorus ferrugineus eradicates palms worldwide!


Hi Pan...,

Thanks for your input and link! @the first page #28 with the pics of a potted Coconut! I seen them on sale occasionally for 25 a pop!

Don't even start to talk about the Red palm weevil >:( It's wiping out the Canary date palms over here!  :(
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