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4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« on: May 21, 2014, 06:41:19 PM »
These varieties seem to be precocious, especially 47-18. I've been pulling fruits off to help them put some energy into growth but I just can't bring myself to pull off every one. Here is a pic of the 47-18 with the fruit I harvested last year. I don't know why this isn't more popular I really enjoyed it! very sweet, and I like mine a tad on the chewy side sometimes so I picked it early (just a little soft) and it had a really nice texture chewy but soft flesh. These were both developed by Har Mahdeem. 4-5 = 'Priestley' atemoya x A. reticulata var. 'Fairchild Purple'   47-18 = 'Gefner' atemoya x A. reticulata var. 'San Pablo')

47-18 (I have three fruits developing now)






4-5 with a nice purple fruit developing on it right now


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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2014, 08:04:14 PM »
OMG :o ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2014, 08:34:23 PM »
Ohh goodness! When that baby gets bigger, Cookie Manster is gonna want some budwood !

These varieties seem to be precocious, especially 47-18. I've been pulling fruits off to help them put some energy into growth but I just can't bring myself to pull off every one. Here is a pic of the 47-18 with the fruit I harvested last year. I don't know why this isn't more popular I really enjoyed it! very sweet, and I like mine a tad on the chewy side sometimes so I picked it early (just a little soft) and it had a really nice texture chewy but soft flesh. These were both developed by Har Mahdeem. 4-5 = 'Priestley' atemoya x A. reticulata var. 'Fairchild Purple'   47-18 = 'Gefner' atemoya x A. reticulata var. 'San Pablo')

47-18 (I have three fruits developing now)






4-5 with a nice purple fruit developing on it right now


Jeff  :-)

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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2014, 09:01:41 PM »
OMG :o ;D ;D ;D ;D
Yeah, I thought the same thing too when I first saw it! Har did a great job!

Ohh goodness! When that baby gets bigger, Cookie Manster is gonna want some budwood !
I will definitely work on grafting these up as soon as they get some size!

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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2014, 09:38:36 PM »
very cool...

My israel red annona is flowering nicely..maybe it will set some fruit this year?

 I wonder if its' the same as yours?  they look so close it must be the same....(but I remember hearing that mine came from a seedling in Israel?)

glad to hear the fruit was decent and the plant is precocious!

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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2014, 06:28:29 PM »
Fruits growing on the Israel Red (47-18?)....its about 2 yr old, grafted onto atemoya, I'm surprised by how quickly it was able to set fruits...I actually decided to thin out the fruits, removing one or two, because the tree is so small....and after that, it set a few more fruit, and has continued to flower....this annona season could be very late for me again...with fruits ripening into January, Feb, if all goes well....I don't think I'll have any ripe annona fruits until Sept....

one thing I noticed about this plant..the edges of the leaf have a strange white border....and almost a weird ruffled edge....has anyone noticed this? (I think I may have mentioned it here before).







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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2014, 07:34:16 PM »
Nice!   I'm glad someone still has that around here!
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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2014, 09:55:51 PM »
Adam, really interesting how unique the leaves are, how does the fruit taste?

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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2014, 11:48:41 PM »
never tasted this one!
I've heard that the fruit quality is variable, depending on growing conditions...and I believe this variety has languished in obscurity because of it's poor performance in FL......but I may be mistaken about this...

apparently Mikesid ate a fruit grown in FL, and spoke highly of it.

and so far, this plant seems to love FL conditions, it handles humidity and heat like a champ.

(I still haven't confirmed whether my tree is different than the true 47-18....but I'm assuming its the same plant...based on Mikesid's description...it's exactly the same...surprisingly precocious...and needs fruit thinning)

Adam, really interesting how unique the leaves are, how does the fruit taste?

-joep450

thanks Har...do you know why this one has been forgotten about? poor performance record in FL?  Also wondering if I might have a different hybrid than 4718....I got mine from Moshe in Israel...I remember hearing from someone who spoke with Moshe, and he said it was a seedling tree??  I was doubtful there could be two separate hybrids so similar... 

also wondering if the 4718 has the unusual white border on the edges of the leaf...like my tree does? 

Nice!   I'm glad someone still has that around here!

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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2014, 10:29:37 AM »
looks like we got the same hybrid going…white edges on leaves too…








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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2014, 12:09:15 PM »
haha!  thanks mike...this confirms we have the same tree for sure.

also it's funny, your tree did the same exact thing as mine...setting two fruits side by side.

it's like we are living in parallel universes....
« Last Edit: July 11, 2014, 12:11:22 PM by ASaffron »

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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2014, 06:16:56 PM »
getting close!

(someone told me that this is a hybrid of Geffner, and San Pablo....i guess that would make sense...based on the looks of this one)

so far this has been a great plant for container growing....being productive even though small, and in a pot.






« Last Edit: September 10, 2014, 06:18:50 PM by ASaffron »

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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2014, 06:55:38 PM »
RAWK ON! I want to buy a tree when you start grafting them.

getting close!

(someone told me that this is a hybrid of Geffner, and San Pablo....i guess that would make sense...based on the looks of this one)

so far this has been a great plant for container growing....being productive even though small, and in a pot.






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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2014, 07:08:12 PM »
thanks cookiemon,

At first I heard this one was a poor performer in FL.  I also wondered why it faded away into obscurity....so I really didn't have high hopes for this one...and didn't really graft any...

but slowly this plant is proving me wrong (and all the naysayers)

I wonder if this is what happened:

this tree was probably not a good performer down in South FL (maybe the soil, or excess rainfall?)

so it never really caught on....but now with internet, people who are in areas (like Ca, or central FL) where the climate is better for this variety , are finding out about it....and it's popularity will increase with all of the growers interested in annonas  (people all over the world can fruit these in pots) and they seem to do well areas with a bit milder climate.....

but I don't know this for sure...


just a conspiracy theory I've been working on!  ;D

(now i''m thinking i should graft more!  but i'm waiting to taste the fruit for myself...even though Mikesid already harvested some and said it was pretty darn good!....i gotta see with my own taste buds to believe!
RAWK ON! I want to buy a tree when you start grafting them.

getting close!

(someone told me that this is a hybrid of Geffner, and San Pablo....i guess that would make sense...based on the looks of this one)

so far this has been a great plant for container growing....being productive even though small, and in a pot.








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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2014, 07:25:40 PM »
Can someone please give these a proper name? Also as cool as these are, does anyone have or seen a cherilata?

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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2014, 07:41:53 PM »
JF,
Your mystery Annona is definitely not an Ilama.  It appears to be a Temoylata (Atemoya X Custard-Apple hybrid)

Har, the creator of this one, calls them a Temoylata....this one is 47-18....I was calling it Israel Red for lack of better info...thank goodness for the forum (and Guanabanus and Mikesid)

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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2014, 08:54:12 PM »
Incredible looking fruit, I hope you can describe the taste, etc., cheers!

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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2014, 11:30:13 PM »
My current theory as to why these didn't do well here is that the lack of productivity was due to malnutrition, especially not enough Calcium and Boron and Zinc.
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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2014, 11:35:18 PM »
My current theory as to why these didn't do well here is that the lack of productivity was due to malnutrition, especially not enough Calcium and Boron and Zinc.

Thanks for info!!!

U think the local soil quality made them deficient?

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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2014, 11:19:56 AM »
Adam, are you planning to have these available anytime in the near future?
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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2014, 11:36:46 AM »
Adam, are you planning to have these available anytime in the near future?

If the fruit taste better than a 6 out of 10, I will start propagating a bunch, next spring.

Regardless I will make a small batch before the end of the year.

I will keep the group posted for sure...at the earliest I could have some by late Nov, but they'd be small, and expensive ($25)

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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2014, 04:50:18 PM »
Adam, are you planning to have these available anytime in the near future?

If the fruit taste better than a 6 out of 10, I will start propagating a bunch, next spring.

Regardless I will make a small batch before the end of the year.

I will keep the group posted for sure...at the earliest I could have some by late Nov, but they'd be small, and expensive ($25)

Cool. Please mark me down for one Adam:)

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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2014, 05:10:57 PM »
Adam, are you planning to have these available anytime in the near future?

If the fruit taste better than a 6 out of 10, I will start propagating a bunch, next spring.

Regardless I will make a small batch before the end of the year.

I will keep the group posted for sure...at the earliest I could have some by late Nov, but they'd be small, and expensive ($25)

Idk how adam does it, I think ive discovered all the rare things he keeps secret and then boom he pulls something else out.
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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2014, 08:54:28 PM »
ok...almost ready to pick...

tried to get a better pic of the fruit.it has a an almost pinkish green, with purple spots.


check out geffner next to it's baby, 47-18..u can see the family resemblance.


I think it would be nice if Har came up with a new name for this hybrid...i think it's worth giving a proper name.

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Re: 4-5 and 47-18 Annona hybrids fruiting
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2014, 10:11:03 PM »
Zill owns it, so he would be the one to name it.
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