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Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« on: May 31, 2014, 02:08:06 PM »
For those of you who are looking for a Xie Shan Satsuma tree,  Harris Citrus of Florida now has them in stock.  Xie Shan is among the very best tasting citrus variety.  It is a September/October early maturing cultivar.  - Millet

 http://www.harriscitrus.com/store/
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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2014, 08:59:19 AM »
XIE Shan anad Miyagawa are my choice for 2 of the best satsumas. The Louisiana Early, Early St. Anne, Brown Select are also very good. Several of the China varieties are also good.

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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2014, 02:59:08 PM »
I didn't see Xie Shan on the website so I called Ruth and she said it must be a mistake and she will add it back into the system this afternoon. 

Thanks for the notice, Millet.

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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2014, 06:54:27 PM »
I've had xie shan on my wish list for 2 years!! Unfortunately, I can't find it anywhere in Arizona!

Do xie shan satsuma grow true to seed? If so, maybe I could plant some since i can't import any citrus into AZ.

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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2014, 03:44:20 PM »
I still don't see Xie Shan on the site... I'll have to call back again

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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2014, 11:01:10 PM »
Brain, I just today ordered two seedless marsh grapefruit trees from Anna at Brite Leaf.  Their next shipping date is June 10th. - Millet

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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2014, 01:41:42 AM »
I'm not sure what you are getting at here, Millet.  Does Brite Leaf also carry Xie Shan?

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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2014, 09:44:22 AM »
Brian, no Brite Leaf does not offer Xie Shan.  Sorry for the confusion. - Millet

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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2014, 06:19:15 PM »
Do xie shan's grow true from seed?

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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2014, 09:24:36 PM »
Robby, yes Xie Shan Grows true from seed.  I realize that Arizona, along with all of the other citrus growing states, do not allow citrus trees to be shipped into their states. The reason for this is to protect the citrus industry in those states from imported citrus diseases. Currently Florida citrus nurseries are now being allowed once again, to ship their trees intrastate. The reason for this change in the government's policy, is because before a tree leaves Florida for another state, the tree is inspected by a USDA agent, and is certified  to be free of all diseases. The USDA certifies that the trees have a clean bill of health.  These trees are therefore not  a threat, nor present any danger to the citrus industries operating in Arizona, California, Florida,Texas, or any other citrus producing region.  An exception should be given for these USDA certified trees, and citizens living in the citrus growing states should be allowed to purchase the trees from Florida nurseries, and be able to have them shipped to their destination. - Millet

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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2014, 12:02:01 PM »
I agree that exemptions should be given Millet.

So if i were to grow a Xie-Shan from seed, what rootstock should I transfer it to and how long would I have to grow the original seeds before transferring?

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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2014, 12:09:49 PM »
Boy, sure glad they changed their laws.  I am so confident these USDA inspectors no what g hey are doing and are keeping things safe...  ???  ::)
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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2014, 03:15:59 PM »
Robby, since Xie Shan is a Satsuma I would just grow the tree from seed on its own roots. A well grown Satsuma should produce fruit in 3 to 5 years, even some what faster if the tree was lighted and root heated during the winter. - Milleet- Millet

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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2014, 03:54:08 PM »
3-5 year is not bad at all!!!!

Excellent news! Obtaining seeds should be much easier than getting a tree in AZ. Besides, growing seeds is very entertaining to me. A Mexican Lime I grew from seed 2 years ago just gave me the 1st lime.

Thanks for all your info!

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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2014, 06:29:18 PM »
Just cleft grafted xie shan onto a branch of my owari satsuma about 8 weeks ago.  The bud stick is green and the union has healed but the buds on the graft have not grown. I notched about an inch up from the graft to see if that would force it but nothing yet. There are active growing branches above this graft with fruit so I wonder if that is inhibiting the buds from breaking out.
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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2014, 10:07:06 PM »
Yorgos, if the bud stick is still green and the union has healed, your stick should flush new growth.  Give the stick time and you will see it flush - Millet

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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2014, 02:45:07 PM »
Harris finally updated their inventory and I ordered a Xie Shan.  I'll post a picture when it arrives.

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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2014, 02:59:54 PM »
Brian, good thing come to those who wate - Millet

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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2014, 02:46:06 PM »
Xie Shan arrived today.   There were some delays because Harris only seems to have biweekly USDA inspections that are required for their shipments.  The tree looks very healthy and arrived undamaged.



I was originally planning on getting two but I am starting to worry that I am expanding my collection too quickly... I need to be sure I can care for everything efficiently over the winter.

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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2018, 04:03:17 AM »
Hi all,

I wanted to drag this topic up to offer and ask for Xie Shan growers comments on how it has done for them.  I have been growing Xie Shan since 2012. It has proven to be extremely cold hardy enduring lows of 18 several times,with minimal damage and no cold protection. All four trees have developed into a large mounding tree about 10 feet tall and slightly wider. It sets large loads of fruit however the fruit is puffy, insipid and unsaleable. Yesterday February 27th, 2018 I attended the Florida Panhandle Satsuma Workshop given by IFAS and the University of Florida. Not many growers are growing Xie Shan and those that are says it takes 8 - 10 years to mature and produce quality fruit. Many have bull dozed their plantings and replaced them with other varieties.

So I'm asking yall what has been your experiences? As a point of reference my four were bought from Harris and I couldn't be happier with them.


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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2018, 09:10:39 AM »
I really would like to have a Xie Shan but can't find trees being sold anywhere. Has anyone seen them in stock at all online?

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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2018, 10:40:00 AM »
I wrote to Harris, who replied that they will have some in the future. Guess I have to be patient.

I'd also be curious to hear how they are growing for everyone. Seems like I've heard multiple folks say it's one of the tastiest citrus they have had. But 8-10 years is a long time to get the fruit quality up. Not sure I'm THAT patient. Those who love them, how old are your trees?

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« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2018, 11:15:36 AM »
I've been pleased with the 3 gallon xie shans I purchased last year. Many are almost 5ft tall now and took 18 degrees as well as almost 2 weeks of sub freezing nights . As to fruit quality , I am.uncertain but  I am hopeful. Could puffy fruit be because of too much nitrogen?

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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2018, 01:06:12 PM »
Too much N has been suggested but I don't believe I did that. To explain, my citrus rows have a Geneva Double Curtain muscadine trellis running the length of the rows between the citrus rows. I fertilize each according to recommendations. I'm careful to fertilize within the dripline and careful about not overlapping. Having said that as far as I know muscadine nor citrus roots probably don't care about driplines. Maybe I do need to cut back. Overwatering has also been suggested. Mother Nature doesn't read the suggested watering guides for my orchard plants. She gave me 91.3 inches last year clearly more than I needed. I'll start with the soil sample and see what I have in the ground and go from there.



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Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2018, 01:48:35 PM »
Any satsuma is a PITA wait until they start making good fruit. I'd agree 10 years minimum for any satsuma variety in my actual experience. Best fruit I ever tasted
was on a 25+ year old owari tree planted in 1989 grown in sandy soil. I took buds from those trees and grew my own and got lousy, puffy, fruit for 5+ years.

"Too much N has been suggested but I don't believe I did that." I doubt that as well.

By former adviser to Alabama satsuma growers now at Texas A&M:

How to set lots of blooms for citrus fruit quality and thin skinned satsumas
Fertilize with Nitrogen according to tree age and crop load.
Fertilize early, well in advance of blooming
Protect foliage from winter damage to avoid leaf drop.
Prevent injury to foliage by Red Mites,etc.
Water trees diligently from budbreak through early fruit drop.
Fertility
Citrus are evergreen plants & relatively heavy nutrient consumers.
Nitrogen is main element of concern.
Applied annually
Split applications most efficient
Slow-release may be effective in some sites.
Soil & Leaf testing identifies need of other elements.
Collect current-season spring flush leaves in August for leaf analysis
Without testing, use complete fertilizer with minor nutrients
Nitrogen is key
For trees 7+ years old and healthy
Apply 1.0 to 1.5 pounds actual Nitrogen per tree per year
Divide into 2 or 3 doses
60%, 20%, 20%
Valentines Day
Motherís Day
Fatherís Day
In years with poor April Bloom or poor May fruit retention, skip applications 2 & 3.
Use granular fertilizer (no spikes). Broadcast under tree canopy. Water in with sprinklers or rainfall.

Summary of presentation:

satsuma tree must set a heavy crop of fruit for good quality
fertilize heavily according to the slide,1
5 year old tree 5-8 lbs 13-13-13 per year
fertilize 60% before bloom, water heavily
20% mothers day, 20% fathers day.

Satsuma fruit quality:
https://mrtexascitrus.weebly.com/citrusfruitquality.html
« Last Edit: February 28, 2018, 01:56:58 PM by mrtexas »

 

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